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Quote# 143346

(=A board discussing Christians who believe in Evolution=)

Furthermore our salvation hangs on a young earth and six days creation for scripture says Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

If death came in any way shape or form (let's include entropy) before Adam sinned then the whole thing falls apart. Don't give one inch to creation progressives, they destroy God's word and the faith of the weak!

Brother Victor, Grace And Truth 6 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:06 PM]
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Quote# 29244

To not believe an incubus attack can happen because demons don't exist is such a narrow, ignorant view. I'm writing this now at 3:30am because I'm afraid to fall asleep. I experienced an attack last night - It wasn't a person, it was evil and unlike a person, it can get away with it. It's the scariest thing that I've ever experienced. There are more things going on in this life than what we can see. Rather than opening your eyes wider, try closing them so you can feel what's around you. Then you'll know...


Liz, FSTDT Comments 41 Comments [9/24/2007 7:44:49 AM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 143278

[On the song "This is Me" from The Greatest Showman]

The Disney paypigs who continue subjecting their children to satanically inspired princess movies no doubt blissfully hum this song to themselves as they wait in the drive-thru at Starbucks.

Brian Niemeier, Kairos 11 Comments [4/17/2019 8:00:42 AM]
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Quote# 107471

Tesla was the AntiChrist

The Antichrist will not desire women
Tesla was celibate for life!

The AntiChrist will make fire stream down from Heaven
Tesla's Death Beam Weapon did this !

The AntiChrist will Attempt to Edadicate Human Life
Tesla's AC Electricity changed the Schumann Resonancia frequency affecting brain waves and is used in mind control.

The AntiChrist will Change Religion
Tesla's dad was a Christian Preacher, Tesla denounced Christianity to persue science as Religion and used the Hindu Vedas as his model for Electricity.

The AntiChrist will declare he is GOD
Tesla said he would make MEN like GODs (Godlike)
same as biblical devil

AntiChrist will take away freedom
Tesla created the precursor for internet the greatest invasion of privacy ever Orwell's TV watching you via NSA


The AntiChrist will be against GOD to ALTER Nature
Tesla did more to alter nature via technology than any man.
GOD created nature ... Tesla like the biblical Satan altered GODs creation a resonance of 7 (perfection) hertz

Lucifer is said to be the light bringer
Tesla illuminated earth lighting up the whole planet.
The electromagnetic radiation from his AC (AntiChrist) power is known to cause cancers and brain damage near wires or power generators.

The Devil will fall as LIGHTNING
Tesla was called THE GATEKEEPER OF LIGHTNING.

Saturn is Satan
Tesla says he will make EARTH LIKE SATURN




TESLA: I wanted to illuminate the whole earth. There is enough electricity to become a second sun. Light would appear around the equator, as a ring around Saturn.
[link to www.freedomtek.org]

NOTE
the Tanguska phenomena (explosion) is said to be Russia's test of Teslas DEATH BEAM a wepon many times more deadly than a nuke bomb !!!

Other scientists said they FEARED Tesla because he bragged he could destroy the earth.

USA CIA NSA FBI DEA = D.O.A., Godlike Productions 50 Comments [3/31/2015 2:55:21 AM]
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Quote# 143327

Up to 2003 we had laws that criminalized homosexual behavior. SCOTUS struck down the last laws against it. IIRC, one could be jailed for homosexuality. We used to ban homosexuals from the military and highly classified jobs.

At one time homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Now that all of those prohibitions have been removed we are daily bombarded with homosexuality and now transgenderism. Pedophilia is next.

ealgeone, Free Republic 16 Comments [4/19/2019 11:09:09 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 143300

I Believe The United States is Going To Be Nuked

I feel like the prophet Jeremiah in Jerusalem, preaching the Word of God to a stiffnecked people, just before Babylon attacked and destroyed Israel in 586 BC. I sincerely believe that Russia and China are quietly preparing to attack the United States. We have become so foolish as a nation! The United States has the blood of tens of millions of lives on our hands. Each and every American who has remained silent, and done absolutely nothing to stop abortion, has blood on their hands! Genesis 4:10, “And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.” Having an abortion does not make a woman unpregnant, it just makes her the mother of a dead child!

Russia is an afflicted country today. They have much to be disgruntled and bitter over, besides the freezing cold. Women outnumber men in Russia, because millions of Russian men have literal drank themselves to death with Vodka! In 2014 the average Russian woman had SEVEN abortions during her lifetime! So Russia is a sinful place, with a massive drug abuse problem, just like the USA. Albeit, thankfully, Gay Pride Parades have been banned in Russia. I never thought I'd desire to move to Russia, but I'd like to live in a decent place where homosexuality is outlawed. Homosexuals are a very real threat to children, which statistics show. Homosexuals are sexual deviates, often seeking to have sex with a male or female, and have little if any moral restraint, evidenced by the repository of pervert Roman Catholic gay priests.

Whether we get nuked or not in America, WE DESERVE IT! This whole gay thing is insane! People have lost their minds. I mean, there are hardly any men's restrooms on Guam anymore! There are “women's restrooms” at McDonald's, and then there are “family restrooms.” There are no longer men's rooms! I have seen no less than a half dozen women walk right into the men's restroom over the past year. American society's degenerative influence affects the territories as well. It is just a matter of time until women's restrooms disappear too, and perverted men walk right into them! Satan is the author of confusion, not God (1st Corinthians 14:33). Youth are deliberately being confused today with the blatant lies of Evolution, to confuse them concerning the truth about God and Creation, as recorded in the Holy Bible. Youth are deliberately being confused today with hundreds of counterfeit English Bible versions, to confuse them concerning the inspired King James Bible. You are deliberately being confused today about their sexual gender, to lure them into the demonic homosexual deathstyle! Youth are targets for Satan today! If the Devil can get 'em young, then he's got 'em for life!

All across the United States today, social networking companies are deleting the account of Christians who speak the truth. This is not liberty. When a tiny handful of mega-corporations buy up and consolidate several dozen media outlets, and then censor the truth, you effectively have a police state and freedom of speech is dead! That is exactly what is happening in America today! Facebook, Google, YouTube, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking websites have terminated the accounts of truth-tellers!

I just learned today that the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona had their bank assets seized by Bank America, for Pastor Steven Anderson's courageous Biblical stand for the truth that homosexuals are perverts, who Biblically were deservedly put to death under Old Testament Mosaic law! Like it or not, that is THE TRUTH! Homosexuality is a perverse deathstyle that needs to be resisted, condemned and outlawed! People with good sense will fully agree! Only a rebellious God-hating society of spiritual degenerates would go against the inspired Word of God, by tolerating sin in any form. The purpose of liberty is the freedom to do RIGHT, not WRONG. When people do WRONG, they lose their RIGHTS! And if a society won't have God as their Ruler, then they will be ruled over by ungodly tyrants! Enacting more laws and lengthening prison sentences won't deter crime, it will only fill up the prisons! America is on a slippery slope into Hell! In response to God's abundant goodness upon America, we have forgotten the Lord (Deuteronomy 6:12).

I get shivers just reading Revelation chapter 18, because the Word of God practically gives the location of the United States! If humanity has proven one thing throughout history, is that mankind always destroys himself! Ecclesiastes 7:29, “Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.” A nation's people can only shake their fists at God in sinful defiance for so long, before His longsuffering runs out, and then God's wrath and judgment will assuredly come! If the Luciferian elite were eagerly willing to sacrifice the lives of 2,996 Americans on 9/11, do you think they won't murder millions to further the New World Order of the coming Antichrist? God is judging the United States by giving us over to our enemies...


Image transcript: Picture of a mushroom cloud, tinted red

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 11 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:34 PM]
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Quote# 143359

(=After Notre Dam caught fire=)

Guglielmo Marinaro: It is a tragedy that this beautiful cathedral, in which people have been worshipping God for centuries, has been so seriously damaged.

Martin: I doubt they ever worshipped God there, and they ejected the true believers from their land long ago.

Martin, Archbishop Cranmer 5 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:49 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 143361

evidence for the resurrection

It’s Easter time once again! A Sunday that marks the single most pivotal point of Christianity. If you want to prove Christianity is a hoax, all you must do is illustrate how the resurrection was a facade. It is absolutely essential to our salvation that Christ conquered death, for if Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead our hope is lost. 1 Corinthians 15:14 likewise states, “And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.” Without the resurrection our belief is baseless, futile, unfounded, and foolish. So why is it we believe such an outlandish claim could actually happen, superseding the natural laws of earth? Here’s a few reasons…

The Bible is the most historically accurate ancient text in the world — When discussing the validity of history, it’s only reasonable to reference your source that has proven most reliable. The Bible is that source. No other record of ancient history has come CLOSE to matching the reliability of the Bible. If we say the Bible is untrustworthy, we must discard every other historical record as well because the Bible vastly surpasses every test of authenticity as no other book does. More on that here and here.

Yes, Jesus really died - Many people start off with the dispute that maybe Jesus wasn’t really dead. However, that neglects both the historical and circumstancial context. The Romans were masters at execution. They knew how to draw out suffering to the finest line between death and life, make it last for days on end. This was their art form. These men were proficient and practiced. Jesus was tortured, whipped with a scourge that often exposed bone and vital organs, tearing flesh from a body. Many people didn’t survive that alone. He was forced to carry a cross that could have weight up to 300lbs, and he crumpled under the weight, unable to bear it. Nails were driven through his wrist and through both his feet. Make note he would be unable to walk from the pain in his feet, his hands would be rendered useless. The way you hang on a cross causes death by asphyxiation, to breathe you had to push your self up with means grating your torn back against the wood and putting more pressure on the holes ripping your limbs. After Jesus died they speared his side to make certain he was dead and fluid came pouring out. The Romans checked thoroughly to make sure he was dead because they were shocked he died so quickly. He was bloated, swollen, and gored by death on a cross. Even if for arguments sake, Jesus was not yet dead, being in a tomb for three days would indisputably see to that. If blood loss didn’t kill him, infection certainly would. Additionally, Luke, one of eyewitnesses who recorded the events, was a doctor so his perspective is a notably authoritative one. (Luke 23-24).

The tomb was empty - There is no possible way Jesus, weakened to the point where the Roman masters of execution called his death, unable to use his hands or feet due to the spikes pounded into them, was able to roll away a MASSIVE boulder and over power two trained and able-bodied Roman soldiers. The idea that Jesus didn’t fully die on the cross and escaped the tomb is absurd. Furthermore, the guards stationed to prevent anyone from robbing the tomb and the Roman seal on the two-ton rock ensured that anyone who dared to even attempt to move it faced the death penalty themselves. If the guards themselves fell asleep they faced the same fate. There was a LOT at stake if Jesus’ body was taken, the Romans were taking no chances. Every other argument for the absence of Jesus’ body can quickly be dismantled by historical context and the circumstances by which these things took place.

It was prophesied - Isaiah talks about the particular circumstances of Jesus death, such as no bones would be broken, an unusual anomaly when it came to crucifixion. Jesus himself also foretells that he will rise within three days. Even smaller details like casting lots for His garments were spoken of hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Other prophesies like this show that Jesus’ death was no accident, God knew what He was doing. (Isaiah 52:13-53:12; John 18-20)

Eyewitness accounts - Jesus appeared to over 500 people after His resurrection, many of whom were alive at the time of the gospels being written and therefore could confirm or dispute their accuracy (1 Corinthians 15:6) Among those include the disciples, Mary Magdalene, and Paul the former murderer of Christians. The Bible records accounts of skeptism and unbelief, but they saw the scars on his hands, touched his solid flesh before them, heard his familiar voice, and they believed because of it. Paul became that which he initially DESPISED because of his encounter with Jesus Christ, that alone is a mind-blowing testimony. The man who hunted and killed Christians became a Christian who was willing to be tortured and killed because he so strongly believed in the saving death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The apostles went from hiding in extreme fear to preaching the gospel in the face of deadly persecution - When Jesus died the apostles went into hiding. They were TERRIFIED that the Romans, the other Jews, would come after them next. Yet, after Jesus appears, they’re fearlessly preaching the gospel out in open crowds of THOUSANDS. It’s a dramatic switch of perspective. To go from quivering fear to such emboldened confidence, surely seeing Jesus standing risen before you would give you that kind of intrepidation. There is little else to explain how these men were suddenly ready to risk everything after being afraid to admit they ever knew Jesus just days before.

Apostles willing to die for Jesus - Now some people say the apostles stole the body of Jesus to convince people to turn to Christianity. The Bible says that lie was started by the Romans in order to discredit the apostles. However, almost all of the apolstles died for preaching the gospel, and all of them were severely persecuted. Why would they exchange their lives, their health, their reputation, their livelihoods, their comfort for something they knew was a lie? It simply makes no sense. The only logical conclusion is that they believed Jesus was the resurrected Christ.

Appearing to a woman first was a dumb move - The testimony of a woman would not be as respected as than of a man in those times. If Jesus’ resurrection was a ruse, the logical thing to do would be to claim he was seen by a male dignitary of noble standing, not a woman who had been previously possessed by demons - a social blemish (Luke 8:2). “Unflattering” facts like this, the cowardis of the apolstles, their initial skeptism, not recognizing Jesus right away, etc. lend to the credit of the account because it demonstrates an accurate retelling, not a fabrication that was crafted to deceptively sway the masses into false belief.

Vision, hallucination unlikely due to number of witnesses and circumstances - Jesus didn’t appear to two people and then go back to Heaven. He appeared to over 500 in all sorts of different locations. People who weren’t looking for him, people who didn’t believe it was Him until they had proof. Proof so certain that they were no longer afraid, they were filled with unextinguishable hope. We must also realize the historical context of the time in which it took place. It’s much easier to fabricate this kind of illusion today with the technology and way by which we pass on information. The time period in which the resurrection took place adds merit that should not be ignored. News was circulated in a manner that was unique to our present day process.

Non-Christian historians record the resurrection - Josephus, a renowned secular historian at the time of Jesus’ death, writes, “On the third day He appeared… restored to life.” It should be noted there are many who debate the reliability of Josephus’ words regarding the resurrection, however, many historians find this evidence to support the Bible’s claims.

The persecution of the early church - Under Nero’s reign the early church suffered some of the most violent persecution, not to mention the Jewish leaders who also sought to kill the Christians. The steadfast resolve of a Church who was in its infant stage is astounding. The only explanation is that they all genuinely believed in the resurrection. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose by preaching the gospel, yet they did so freely despite the cost. If Christianity was based on a lie, it should have been easy to crush it as it was beginning. The fact that the force of the entire Roman Empire wasn’t enough to sway their devotion is incredible. The whole of the known world tried to annihilate Christianity in the cradle but couldn’t.

It is the accumulation of evidence that begs cause for belief - It is not for one singular reason that we believe Jesus rose from the dead, but rather the combined evidence that demands an explanation% that only the Bible provides. The proven accuracy of the Bible, the eyewitnesses details; the historical records of Jesus walking, eating, alive; the unexplainable absence in the tomb despite all efforts to seal it; the prophesies fulfilled; the change in people’s lives, the martyrs, the flourishing of the church in the face of persecution. It all points back to Jesus rising from the dead as the only reasonable explanation. The Bible consistently presents answers to questions the world has no answer for.

More comprehensive analysis and sources
Within these sources you’ll find more Biblical references, breaking down arguments and evidence, and quotes from some of the world’s finest minds and historians.


* The Resurrection of Christ: The Best Proved Fact in History
* Resurrection: No Doubt About It
* Biblical and Extra-Biblical Evidences
* Is the Resurrection True?
* Atheist’s Look at the Resurrection

Still got questions/comments? Shoot me an ask! I don’t usually reply to comments on long posts, but I’d certainly love to talk!

thescienceofapologetics, Tumblr 12 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:03 PM]
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Quote# 143366

Extreme Easter: Flogging, crucifixions in Philippines

SAN FERNANDO, April 19 — Hundreds of barefoot men beat themselves with flails and at least 10 were to be nailed onto crosses throughout Good Friday in a blood-soaked display of religious fervour in the Philippines.

Frowned upon by the Church, the ritual crucifixions and self-flagellation are extreme affirmations of faith performed every Easter in Asia’s Catholic outpost.

Barefoot men wearing crowns of twigs walked silently on the side of a village road in the scorching tropical heat of the northern Philippines, flogging their backs with bamboo strips tied to a length of rope.

While many of the 80 million Filipino Catholics spend Good Friday at church or with family, others go to these extreme lengths to atone for sins or seek divine intervention in a spectacle that has become a major tourist attraction.

“This is a religious vow. I will do this every year for as long as I am able,” 38-year-old truck driver Resty David, who has been self-flagellating for half his life at his village in the northern Philippines, told AFP.

He said he also hoped it would convince God to cure his cancer-stricken brother.

Blood and sweat soaked through the penitents’ pants with some spectators grimacing with each strike of the lash.

Some hid behind their companions to avoid the splatter of gore and ripped flesh.

Many in the crowds had driven for hours to witness the frenzied climax of the day’s gory spectacle, when believers allow themselves to be nailed to crosses in a re-enactment the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

“I’m a little bit overwhelmed. It’s very intense, I haven’t expected something like this,” German tourist Annika Ehlers, 24, told AFP.

Ehlers said she had witnessed the first of 10 scheduled crucifixions during the day in villages around the city of San Fernando, about 70km north of Manila.

Eight-centimetre spikes are driven through both the man’s hands and feet before the wooden cross is raised briefly for the crowds to see. After that the nails are pulled out and he is given medical treatment.

The Church says the faithful should spend Lent in quiet prayer and reflection.

“The crucifixion and death of Jesus are more than enough to redeem humanity from the effects of sins. They are once in a lifetime events that need not be repeated,” Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines official Father Jerome Secillano said.

“Holy Week.... is not the time to showcase man’s propensity for entertainment and Pharisaical tendencies,” he added.

Nearly 80 per cent of people in the Philippines are Catholic, a legacy of the nation’s 300 years of Spanish colonial rule that ended at the turn of the 20th century. — AFP

Some Filipino Catholics, Malay Mail 9 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:17 PM]
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Quote# 143331

It's simple, actually. Most in the left are unbelievers and most unbelievers are offended by the obvious superiority of the Judeo-Christian values among other worldviews. They look at history and they see the overwhelming positive influence and achievements of countries with Judeo-Christian underpinnings, so they embrace anything and everything that goes against it.

Hidden, Rapture Forums 13 Comments [4/19/2019 11:42:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 143329

(He's referring to "The Sims")

Praise be to Allah. We are appalled by what we have seen of clips from this game – especially in the second and third versions, and there is no evil action or immoral deed but it exists in this filthy game. It also contains music, dancing, wanton display of beauty, drinking alcohol, complete nakedness of men and women, illicit relationships between the sexes, kissing and touching private parts; it is so bad that there is even committing fornication completely, which is not found even in ordinary movies!

And all of that is with the excuse that they are animated characters, as if the one who watches it will never be affected by what he sees and that it will never be provocative. The game includes “university life”, “nightlife,” and “New Year holiday” in which there is dancing, singing, kissing and illicit relationships, and Santa Claus appears to distribute gifts to the children. We do not know, by Allah, how any Muslim could accept to allow his daughter or his wife or even his son to play this evil game. This is natural in the life of Western families, who has deviated from all decent behaviour and noble characteristics, and there are those who want this to be natural in the life of Muslim families too.

We have previously discussed the prohibition on looking at cartoons that include nakedness and permissiveness, in the answer to question 167710. Based on that, it is not permissible for a Muslim to upload this game or play it, and it is not permissible for him to allow any member of his family to do that. Whoever does that is neglecting his flock for whom Allah, may He be exalted, has made him responsible and he is failing in his duty to advise them and to pay attention to their upbringing, behaviour and attitude. We have issued a fatwa specifically about pornographic cartoons, their real nature, the danger they pose, and the ruling on them. See question no. 115149. And Allah knows best.

Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid, IslamQA 13 Comments [4/19/2019 11:16:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 143342

Alt-Left Memes & Gifs


Meme reads: "They say you don't exist, but can you pass this test? YOU MIGHT BE ALT-LEFT IF..." Frame 1: "Che Guevara is your hero." Frame 2: "You wrap your electric meter in tinfoil." Frame 3: "You consider Taco Bell to be cultural appropriation." Frame 4: "You need a safe space to shield you from reality." Frame 5: "You would never allow yourself to be vaccinated." Frame 6: "Free speech for me, but not for thee." Frame 7: "You believe jet exhaust is a government plot to poison you." Frame 8: "You agree with the alt-right more than the liberal left." (Two hands are shown shaking with both people saying "The Clintons should be in prison.")

*Full disclosure: I respect Che Guevara's motivation (not necessarily his actions or allies), but this meme was too good to pass up for one disagreement ;).


(Picture is Yoda saying "If once you start down the alt-left path, forever it will dominate your destiny comsume (sic) you it will."


Caption: Alt Left: "We want equality!" Trump: "Both sides are guilty!" Alt Left: (shows picture of man with open mouth)


Picture shows supposed "alt left" pictures on the left and ISIS pictures being compared on the right. Content unimportant, has been posted before)

*Full disclosure: I'm ok w/removing some statues. I'm also prepared for you guys to rib me about it ;).


Caption: "The alt-left spreading love and tolerance one baseball bat at a time." Image is of thug with bat.


Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 22 Comments [4/19/2019 11:52:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143317

The Award
After the report of the captains and the wicked counsels of the twelve counselors. I saw Lucifer stand up on a platform and this is what He said, "we have three awards to give to those who have done more to make our kingdom come and our will done on earth as it is in hell. Our top prize goes to the spirit of slumber. This is the spirit that has distracted much of the army of the Holy One and put many of them to sleep. The only reason why we rule over many lives and regions today is because of the work of this Agent and his legions." I watched as the spirit of slumber and distraction walked up towards the platform where Lucifer stood. As he walked, everyone in the whole assembly went to sleep and did not wake up until he collected his award and returned to his seat. They went to sleep with their eyes wide open; they were active and still moving, but asleep. This is the same spirit that works to immobilize the leaders of nations bringing them into a drunken stupor and creating moral incapacitation, especially when critical decisions need to be made. This spirit holds leaders long enough in disorientation to effect changes and to turn the course of a nation to darkness irrevocably. They are also responsible for planting wicked counselors that influence kings towards evil. The award looked like a golden cup laced with shining stones of all colors and shapes. This cup was for divination. Along with increased authority in Satan's kingdom, he was also given a scepter.
Following him was the second prize given to a serpent-like spirit who was awarded for seducing leaders. He came on his belly as a serpent of many bright and beautiful colors to receive this award. When he arrived at the platform he took the shape of a beautiful woman; she was completely spotless, pleasant, beautiful and charming to look at. The whole assembly was hypnotized just by looking at her but the spell she cast was broken when she turned back into a serpent to crawl back to her position. She was given a silver cup laced with precious stones.
The third winner was also in the form of a lady; she is the spirit of mammon. She is the harlot of Babylon who prostitutes herself for the silver and gold of the nations. She wields tremendous authority among the nations of the earth. She uses silver and gold to cause nations, individuals and institutions to bow and worship at the throne of Lucifer. She sets nations up to depend on her by showing extravagant generosity beyond words, especially in their times of distress. Once nations, institutions or individuals come to enjoy the fruits of her "kindness", they then begin to depend on her. After showing all forms of "kindness" to her new guest, she then quietly waits for the honeymoon of their newly-found relationship to be over. Once this time of flatten* has fully-bloomed and she has come to know that her new guest is depending on her. she then brings out the shackles. Very few escape her maximum security cage. She guts life out of her captives and leaves them as zombies in her hard labor prison camps. Kings and Queens of the earth worship her. Many have pledged their very souls to her. She is single-handedly responsible for many who are called to preach the gospel not answering their call. Although she was given the third place award, she has caused the greatest number of people to become and remain loyal servants of Satan; bound to him and his slavish systems. She is the deal-maker for Satan. She buys nations, individuals, institutions and territories in times of their economic hardness and life turbulences. She gives them deals they cannot refuse when they need it most. Not many turn down her deals; those who do. suffer tremendous consequences. She brings to mind the statement of Satan to God in Job 2:4. "Skin for skin! Yes. all that a man has he will give for his life." Coming to collect her award, she was decked out with very expensive jewels and precious stones. She was coming drunk looking very much like a Mardi-Gras character. She was drinking from her trademark gold cup and she was drinking her trade drink; the blood of the saints. The most shocking thing was that the crowd loved her and thought she was funny and very entertaining in her costume. They loved her because she brings results and whatever she does morally or in her private life is no big deal to anyone. "She helps the economically troubled, she feeds the hungry, she intervenes when we have natural disasters, she is very effective in what she does, and she is the most caring and most sympathetic person ever". Satan praised her as the kings of earth agreed loudly. She received another shiny necklace made of gold and decorated with all kinds of precious stones, as well as a brand new gold cup.
At His closing remarks the spirit of prophecy came upon Lucifer, the chief deceiver who deceives the world. He prophesied almost as if he was under the control of another. He lifted up his voice and said.
"Let it be clear to everyone here today and let no one be deceived. Though we make war against the Lord God Almighty and against His Christ and Against His Holy Ones, we will not win. Never mistake the silence of the Almighty to be foolishness or weakness. A great storm is coming. It is not a water storm it is going to be a firestorm. It is going to be like no other. It is the army of the purified ones marching to the Command of the Holy One. God is not a man that He should lie. His Word is true; always. None of our efforts will stop them. They are planted on the eternal rock and the shout of the Lord God Almighty is among them.
The saints are the firestorm and the day of their rising will bring a horrible judgment. It will be a day of darkness and gloom, a day of thick clouds and deep blackness. Suddenly, like dawn spreading across the mountains, this great and might\' army will appear. Nothing like it has been seen before or will ever be seen again. Fire burns in front of them, and flames follow after them. Ahead of them the land lies as beautiful as the Garden of Eden. Behind them is nothing but desolation; not one thing escapes. They look like horses; they charge forward like warhorses. Look at them as they leap along the mountaintops. Listen to the noise they make—like the rumbling of chariots, like the roar of fire sweeping across a field of stubble, or like a mighty army moving into battle. Fear grips all the people; every face grows pale with terror. The attackers march like warriors and scale city walls like soldiers.
They march straight forward never breaking rank. They never jostle each other; each moves in exactly the right position. They break through defenses without missing a step. They swarm over the city and run along its walls. They enter all the houses climbing like thieves through the windows. The earth quakes as they advance, and the heavens tremble. The sun and moon grow dark and the stars no longer shine. The Lord is at the head of the column. He leads them with a shout. This is His mighty army and they follow His orders. The day of the Lord is an awesome, terrible thing. Who can possibly survive?"
Snapping out of his trance Lucifer closed his humiliating speech by shouting "BUT, WE MUST FIGHT NOW THAT IT IS DARK AND A GREATER PART OF THE SAINTS ARE SLEEPING BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS COMING WHEN WE CAN NEITHER FIGHT NOR WORK".
I wondered how these Kings of the earth who have given their kingdoms to Satan and other subjects of Satan can still remain loyal to him after such a clear speech that spells their end. Wisdom replied to me and said. "They only hear and understand what Satan wants them to hear and understand. Besides this, many of them for the lust of power and wealth have sold their souls to Satan and cursed the Lord God Almighty and His Righteous Spirit. They cannot turn back now. Yet many of the kings of the earth can still be redeemed. But the cost of reaching them is very high, because they are constantly guarded. The turning of one can quickly mean the turning of many."

Michael ChristisKing, The War and the Stampede (book) 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143347

With the two best arguments now having been tabled, in one case the argument has been met with a rebuttal and in the other case it has not. A debate is meant to be a structured argument, wherein opponents on the battlefield of ideas meet each other on equal terms. The objections I have raised to the material advocated by Dan are these:

1. The authors of the article Dan cited were not equitable with the facts, opting rather to foist a false paradigm onto readers of their material than to be totally honest in their approach

2. Varve counts contain a demonstrable old cosmos bias

3. Circular reasoning: Varve counts and radio carbon dating are being used to calibrate each other

4. The original researchers, according to Dan’s own presentation, had to retract and amend their findings on the order of a nearly 40% adjustment downward. It seems clear this only happened in retrospect and in response to negative attention garnered from young earth creationists

Dan has been given the opportunity to respond to the rebuttal material I have submitted, but at no time have I been granted the same opportunity since Dan has steadfastly refused to interact in any meaningful way with the material tabled in my opening argument. In other words, Dan has refused to abide by the simple format of an actual debate, stating for his answer to this objection that he’s just not interested in the material I’ve submitted because it’s old and isn’t well enough understood. Either Dan has not the foggiest idea what it means to have an actual debate, or he thinks the rules do not apply to him but to other people only. Maybe Dan has confused the average Disqus conversation for actual debate. If so, I’m sure he’s not the only Disqus commentator to strain beneath the weight of that error.

My argument rests on the following premises:

1. The planets in our solar system each have measurable magnetic fields

2. All of the planetary magnetic fields are diminishing in strength and this fact is supported by empirical evidence. In all cases, the magnetic fields of the planets in our solar system have been measured and the majority of them have been measured multiple times. In all cases, a simple reading of the documented facts shows that the fields are weakening over time.

3. In the case of Earth’s magnetic field, if calculated into the past, field strength decay rates indicate the field cannot possibly be older than 10,000 years, because if it were older than that, the intensity of the field would have been sufficient to melt Earth's mantle.

4. While secular scientists acknowledge diminishing field strength, they have proposed that the fields somehow regenerate their strength and spontaneously recharge, in direct violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Secular scientists have never been able to come up with a model of how the fields are ‘regenerating’, but they steadfastly maintain the fields MUST be periodically regenerating, because their model of the cosmos is the correct model. This, again, is the exact opposite of any sound scientific method.

My debate opponent has had nothing to say about any of this, except that he believes the above except that he believes the above claims are confusing and not well enough understood by science. He offers nothing by way of support for that claim, however. He just says so and maintains that my arguments are somehow contrary to ‘good’ science or are otherwise beneath his dignity to address in any meaningful way.

The purpose of this debate is a simple one: The purpose is to show that one model, the Bible’s specified 6000 year-old model of the cosmos, is the correct model and that the preferred model of modern secular science is the incorrect model. I had intended to show that one model can withstand any manner of attack even from a reasonable and seemingly well-educated mind which has adopted belief in an alternate invalid model. Unfortunately, we have been partially cheated of that purpose because Dan has refused to comply with the rules. So be it. Any impartial observer of this debate has seen one side easily undermined by perfectly valid observations rendering the conclusions of the varve study a study in wishful thinking. The method for dating the Earth which the conductors of that study have latched onto, is a wholly useless tool for the purposes they have assigned it. They have guaranteed a false outcome from the outset based entirely upon the invalid presuppositions with which they begin their study. It is little different from the stilted outcomes generated by other flawed presuppositions, namely those which attend the conclusions drawn when supposing light has always and only traveled at a constant, unchanging and unchangeable speed. It’s a spurious assumption and the very scientific community which relies upon that assumption for other ways of supporting its model, has uncovered the proof of its unreliability. A non-constant speed of light is very often addressed in frank discussions within the secular scientific community:

Such is the problem with invalid assumptions and the far-reaching chaos those assumptions can generate.

One model of the cosmos is utterly unaffected by the ever-changing foundations of secular science. That is the biblically-valid model of a 6000 year-old cosmos. The Heavens and the Earth were created by God very nearly 6000 years ago. Scientists who begin with this understanding of our reality are not called upon to continuously conjure up fantastic arguments which, however implausible-sounding, just might provide the sliver of possibility needed to keep their model alive. But each time the so-called experts on the other side – with their ‘overwhelming consensus’ – come up with what they present to the world as bullet-proof arguments or sets of evidence which demonstrate the validity of their model to the exclusion of any young cosmos model…

…they are shown to have overplayed their hand every… single… time. And the example tabled by Dan for the purposes of this debate – a debate which never really happened – is no exception to that rule.

(Dan is now given the opportunity to respond by hopefully posting his own closing argument and that will conclude this debate.)

Albert Swearengen, Grace And Truth 5 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:13 PM]
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Quote# 143339

I think it’s interesting in a profession where we all take an oath, that they would look at people who have strong faith as somehow not good people, when, if you’re an atheist, what does an oath mean? If you are a Christian and you believe in god, what is an oath? . . . You’ve taken an oath to God. . . . [religion or faith] enhances your view of the oath.


Clarence Thomas, Rewire.News 14 Comments [4/19/2019 11:50:34 AM]
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Quote# 143341

I've noticed that many mentally ill people also tend to dip into homosexuality. I noticed this with my ex as well. Why is that?

WholesomeAbuser, Reddit - /r/AskReddit 7 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:48 PM]
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Quote# 143350

1242: France Burns All Known Copies of the Talmud


It’s amazing how annoying and disgusting Jews are, but even more amazing is how long they’ve been disgusting and annoying. Literally thousands of years.

Fuck these demons.

punished_thn, Reddit - /r/AltRightChristian 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:24 PM]
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Submitted By: WarGoatHK417

Quote# 143356


Does It Matter? Jason Lisle sets the record straight.

Does it really matter what we as Christians believe about the Biblical account of creation? Some Christians are plagued by this question. Others ignore it in hopes it will “just go away.” Regardless of what where you stand on the question, the answer has profound impact.

In a recent article, William Lane Craig, a prominent Christian apologist addressed this question with the following:

“I think that [Young Earth Creationism] YEC as a scientific hypothesis is quite hopeless….But YEC as a hermeneutical hypothesis is quite another matter. I want to approach the text with an open mind, despite the terrifying prospect that YEC might actually be correct as a hermeneutical hypothesis. In that case, we would face some very hard choices. Given YEC’s failure as a scientific hypothesis, we should have to conclude that the Bible teaches scientific error and therefore revise our doctrine of inspiration to accommodate this fact. That is a route one would prefer not to take.” (emphasis added)

Craig reveals the essential struggle with any old-earth view applied to Scripture – it impacts the hermeneutic. What we believe and know from God’s Word and from the creation regarding God’s self-revelation is either negatively or positively impacted by what we believe concerning the creation.

Dr. Jason Lisle offers an exceptional response to William Lane Craig. While giving an exceptional point-by-point refutation of the thinking that elevates human reason over Biblical revelation with regard to knowing what is true, Dr. Lisle points out the necessity that both our scientific and Biblical hermeneutic must agree. What we know from science depends on the fact that the Bible is true.

“But the method of science is itself predicated upon the literal truth of Scripture, starting with an historical Genesis. Namely, our expectation that there are patterns to be found in nature is justified by the biblical revelation that God has imposed order on creation (Genesis 1) and upholds all reality by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3), in a consistent way with discoverable cycles (Genesis 8:22). Our expectation that our senses can reliably inform us about nature is founded on the biblical historical fact that God created our senses (Proverbs 20:12). Our presupposition that our own reasoning ability has at least some capacity to distinguish truth from error makes sense only in light of the Genesis historical fact that people are made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27). Science is only justified if the Bible – including biblical creation – is true.”

Read all of Jason Lisle’s response. You will be blessed and encouraged.

Additionally, you may wish to view the presentation by Dr. Ronald Marks, Does It Matter?

Dr. Jason Lisle, Creation Study Group 8 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 143345

Resisting temptations
By Patsy Lambert - Contributing Columnist

Satan temps us and he is called the tempter. He is called the source of all temptation, and he only succeeds because we let him. We let him succeed because of our weakness.

This is one reason Why we need Jesus. Only He can forgive us when we sin, and only He can give us strength to resist the temptations of Satan.

Remember how Satan tempted Jesus? The first one was "If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread."

The second was "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down."

The third was "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and he sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. And saith unto him, all these things I give thee, it thou, wilt fall down and worship me."

"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence Satan: for it is written, Thou Shalt Worship The Lord Thy God, And Him Only Shalt Thy Serve." Then the devil, leaveth him and behold the angels came and ministered unto him. Matthew 4:1-11.

We need the Word of God to help us resist temptations.

Patsy Lambert, Newberry Observer 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 143333

If you take the red pill and go down a rabbit hole, which I do not recommend, you will find the shocking truth that, things are not the way they seem. Actually, nothing is really the way it seems. Most people do not have the time or energy to dig deep into our social mess right now. But, even if they did, the truth is so shocking that it truly sounds like fiction. Actually, I would say that it is much worse then fiction, it actually sounds crazy.

In the pre Nazi era people would also hear crazy stories of people taken out to the forest, tortured, and killed. They couldn’t and wouldn’t believe it. It was way too shocking. Until they got caught right in the middle of it, and it was too late to get out. Right now, there is nowhere to go and nowhere to hide, so not knowing what is going on is sometimes better for peace of mind and the ability to just live your life.

Could something like the Handmaides Tale actually happen? It is already happening. But did you ever hear this quote? “Not one witch was ever killed in Salem” If you never heard it before, well now you did because it is true.

The rituals, and rites and cruelty, and pure evil portrayed in this show is exactly what the Lucifer, Satanic, and other black cultures do. Not one character in this show has any redeeming factors. They are either pure victims or pure victimizers. Since I am an empath it makes it very difficult for me to watch, and yet they suck me into it because it is done really well. The characters are compelling (on the dark side) and the story always leaves you hungry for more. I keep waiting for something good to happen, but in reality what are the odds Hollywood would do that?

If you have seen “Eyes Wide Shut” they describe one such ritual of some sort of Satanic order. They wear the same robes used in the Handmaides Tale. They abuse sex and dehumanize it in any way possible. They are cruel and have no problem killing people without blinking an eye.

The movies that Hollywood is presenting as ‘fiction’ have a basis in reality. Ask yourself, why does Hollywood have no shows with strong great character who display great qualities like loyalty, love, compassion, and other loving attributes? People are thirsty for it, and would line the streets to see it. But it is not what they want to promote right now.

Right now, Hollywood, mainstream media, left wing politicians, and maybe more organizations that I can’t think of. But, they all promote murder, mayhem, and a living hell on earth. What you should ask yourself is What are they trying to tell us? and where do I want to stand.

What is even more disturbing in the Handmaiden’s Tale is the insinuation that this kind of intolerance is coming from the Christian right, when nothing could be further from the truth. Remember; “Not one witch was burned in Salem”

Tippy Stein, studied Radio and TV Journalism & Psychology at Brooklyn College (1987), Quora 9 Comments [4/19/2019 11:45:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143190

Should There Be A Right To Fornicate?

I dont think so. Little good has come from it, all the worlds ills can be traced back to this action. Obviously this is deeply ingrained, but it's about time we as a people moved on from it.

Mystic Warriors, NationStates 30 Comments [4/9/2019 10:59:09 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143157

It seems to me that atheism is, if properly considered, treason.

In countries with the Queen as Head of State, she is held to be ‘Queen by the Grace of God’. In the USA, the Pledge of Allegiance involves expressing belief in ‘one nation united under God.’ It seems that by believing the God does not exist, a rejection of the notion of the Sovereign Divine Right of the Crown is negated, as well as the notion of a ‘nation united under God.’ Therefore, it seems that atheists are guilty, ipso facto, of treason, at least in the USA and Commonwealth countries.

Qoeleth, Catholic Answers 16 Comments [4/7/2019 4:48:37 AM]
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Submitted By: kumala

Ever Heard Of The Good Samaritan?

Had he not risen from the dead, Jesus would be spinning in his grave.

Quote# 143088

But first, Who would be my Neighbour.
What does a Neighbour represents in the bible.
Muslims are not my Neighbour,
Had you any idea or clue who a
Neighbour is.

For say, a person goes to a church every Sunday, but that person is not a member of that church, thats a neighbour.
But when that person joins that church, then they become a brother/sister
And are no longer considered a neighbour,
But a brother/sister.

A Neighbour is someone who goes to a church, but are not a member of the church, that's a neighbour.
Maybe you should study out what a neighbour is, before you say anything.

Faithofchristian, Christian Forums 22 Comments [4/1/2019 2:44:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Kangaroo Feathers

Quote# 143197

It’s sad when a professing Christian calls oppressive God’s mercy and wisdom for lovingly & graciously exempting women from the burden of the role of elder/preacher/pastor.

Kristy, Twitter 11 Comments [4/10/2019 2:14:35 AM]
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Quote# 143214

The biggest problem is the conception of the modern nation state which basically encourages individualism as it destroys the local communities and families to make the state stronger.

Secularism is basically nothing but worshipping the state. Western interpretation of secularism is that you separate the state and religion in order to make the state the religion. Whenever someone supports secularism, it's always from the position of the state in the sense that the state should not be influenced by religion (but no one says anything when state ideology tries to influence religion, pushing certain degenerate ideological trends into religion like pro-LGBT "Christian" "churches" etc.).

Modern state = powerful elite, powerful institutions, extreme legalism and extreme individualism. And on top of it, you're supposed to worship it, wave the flag, be a loyal servant, never question the institutions and procedures of the state etc.

Teutonic Knight, incels.co 9 Comments [4/11/2019 8:46:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep
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