Quote# 32716

[You can't have it both ways. If animals "praise" by living their lives, so do atheists.]

NO!--given their refusal to love and obey their Creator thereby fulfilling the reason for their creation, atheists have no lives--they merely exist.

[And when you say animals "joyfully obey", it is because they have no free will to do otherwise.]

Yes, this is true. Without freewill, animals can do no more than follow their programming. Man, with his God-given gift of freewill, alone in the universe has the ability to love his Creator and do His will out of Love, rather than programming. This is the essence of "humanity" given that man was created in the image and likeness of God. (Genesis 1:27)

By turning their back on their Creator to the point of, against all evidence and reason, even denying His existence and thus their own humanity, atheists, in effect, become animals controlled by their instincts--which, of course, is what Darwin said in the first place and explains his position as the atheist messiah.

ephraimanesti, foru.ms 31 Comments [12/22/2007 6:25:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 32705

Lately I have been so tired. Not just physicaly, but mentally. I don't know how to explain it really. I'm just tired of this ugly world, and reading the news, and seeing headlines like Putin being voted man of the year, Blair refuses to aknowledge Israel as a nation, Olmert puting the Temple Mount on the table for a peace we all know is FALSE. Christians being told our love of our saviour is a waste of time, or we are cramming our religion down peoples throats, and how Christianity is wrong. Tired of getting my head taken off when I point out how news corolates with prophecy. The news makes me want to yark, and cry, and I find myself begging Jesus to come and take me home. I am having trouble praying for the people in my life that I know aren't saved, I waffle back an forth with letting them go their own way, and mustering up strength to fight With Them, For Them. I hate all the headlines that tell on a daily basis just how far this world has fallen. I'm sorry I'm such a downer, but I'm surrounded by scoffers and I can't talk to them. I'm having a little trouble picking my head up and keeping my eyes on the prize. I just want to go home. Is it wrong to be impatient?

ZAGS, Rapture Ready 40 Comments [12/22/2007 6:24:46 AM]
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Quote# 32714

[And right out of the gate, Christians refer to the Bible, to prove the Bible is right.

Anyone else see the circular reasoning in this?]

And what would you suggest?

If we use the Bible then you call it circular reasoning.

If we say we have revelation you say we are imagining it.

Overall, I find speaking to athiests pretty much a total waste of energy since all you seem to want to do is ask a question so that you can then jump in with your tired criticisms.

Secundulus, foru.ms 28 Comments [12/22/2007 6:24:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 32699

natural selection is not proven! It is a lie and it ridiculous! sorry but it is... people coming from monkeys... :D okay believe that if you must, but go preach your religious doctraines about evolution on dawkins.net.

Here is to discuss about christ, and how he died on the cross for YOU.

I'm sorry to say, but monkey and human DNA are completely different! You can say "no it's proven!", but unless you tell me WHAT DNA is the same, and where and how these tests were conducted, you have no proof, none! Anyone can say that... but that's what a lie is called my friend.


I shall be praying for you salvation, but if you don't want to accept Jesus Christ, then it is your loss... Think of it like this: if Jesus DID exist and you were blind all of this time, would you WANT to have him as your savior? If you say "no", then it is self-explanitory.

DevonR, thewaythetruth.com 38 Comments [12/22/2007 6:24:26 AM]
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Quote# 32703

"As World War 3 breaks out in the spring with Russia siding with Iran when we bomb there nuclear plants it will become painfully clear how this country has lost the favor and grace of God due to all this hate."

GayDiamond, YouTube - INFO THE DARKSIDE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE 24 Comments [12/22/2007 6:24:22 AM]
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Quote# 32696

Knee-Mail between Kent and God 4
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From: Kent Hovind
Sent: August 30, 2007
To: God & Young Boy
Subject: Re: God’s Awesome Power

GOD: Hey, Son, good morning! I love you!

kh: Good morning, Lord. I love you, too. I’m sure ready to get back out preaching for you, Lord. Can I go home now?

God: Do you think I need you out preaching for Me?

kh: No, Lord. I know You don’t need me, but I need to be used. Even the dogs get the crumbs, you know (Mark 7:28).

GOD: I know, Son. Good answer. I’ll send you back out soon. I want you to knee-mail a very excited seven-year-old for Me.

Kent Hovind, cse blogs 74 Comments [12/22/2007 6:23:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Michael

Quote# 32717

[He said "god hasn't shown up since". If he has shown himself, where did he do it? Please provide a place and time where your god may be viewed and consulted.]

He has shown Himself to multiple millions over the last 2000 years. The instant anyone opens their heart and mind to Him in total faith, trust, obedience, and surrender, He is there--any place and any time.

Worked for me--will work for you.

ephraimanesti, foru.ms 27 Comments [12/22/2007 6:21:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 32727

Is this weird or what? The lady that brings my farm eggs says for the last 2 weeks her hens have STOPPED laying eggs ! AND the farm lady behind her said HERS have done the same thing....they cannot attribute it to ANYTHING that they know of. What's up? Maybe the Rapture is near?

DawnGrace, Rapture Ready 70 Comments [12/22/2007 5:32:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Anon

Quote# 32674

Hmm, are you aware of all the errors in the whole Evolution theory and Natural Selection? As an example birds. They say that birds evolved from those flying dinosaurs. The biggest difference between a bird and pterosaurs ( as Pteranodon) is that pterosaurs don't have feathers. Their wings were closer to a bat-wings, than todays birds. But how is it possible that the skin turned into feathers within so short period of time?

And are u aware that Mr. Darwin, who was the first one to introduce the whole evolution theory, believed actually in Shaytaan (Satan, the devil..etc..) and held different kind of ceremonies in his house related to this subject? Don't you think, that it was just a big scam from Shaytaan to make people away from the truth, by making them believe something as stupid as this?

Peace

ebtesam, Gawaher 42 Comments [12/22/2007 2:18:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Skavau

Quote# 32685

[Also - no one is denying that a foetus moves inside the womb but I don't see how you can definitively say that it feels pain when there is evidence to the contrary (I'm talking first trimester abortions here).]

There is evidence on both sides, and frankly the evidence to support the fetus being able to feel, is greater, and provided by medical personal, just as the support for the opposing side is. You can google it, but the majority of it is going to be difficult to find on a computer, where pro-life is often viewed as a dirty phrase used to shame those who choose abortion.

Adiya, foru.ms 21 Comments [12/22/2007 2:15:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 32686

Satan is really attacking me-

First- I couldn't witness to a muslim lady....that same night, I got punched in the face by my drunk husband who doesn't remember a thing! (I think he was possesed by a demon, but who knows...) around the same time my son got really sick..... (God helped with my son....he is doing much better....thank you all for your prayers...) ....God also helped it not to hurt so much when my husband punched me in the nose..... Then I had a horrible dream about aliens/demons...and woke up to that news show about Aliens.... Then last night I had really bad nightmares about demons.... He doesn't want me to go to heaven ....and I have been asking God if all these things in the news were really signs that the rapture is really close....and it's like in my dreams he was saying..."yes, why do you think Satan is attacking you so much?" <----but that was a "feeling" in my dream and I know that we aren't supposed to go by "feelings"..... ....anyway, I always ask God/Jesus at night to not forget me....He's all I got!!

cbressler1976, RaptureReady 36 Comments [12/22/2007 2:06:34 AM]
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Quote# 32682

A mother killing her own child is not "reproductive freedom".. Reproductive freedom is having intercourse with who you want... So don't put abortion under the mask of "reproductive freedom", its manipulative and hypocritical..

Renton405, foru.ms 28 Comments [12/22/2007 2:06:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 32704

I cannot take it anymore! There is so much pain, evil, and corruption. I want OUT and I want my Christian family throughout the world taken with me. I'm not sure how much longer I can take it. I just don't know. It's breaking my heart and to be very honest, I'm getting upset with God because although I know it's men who do these things, He is the only one with the power to put an end to it.

Think about it- there are over 6 billion people on this planet and we are almost at 7 billion. Even thought the statistics say there are 2 billion Christians in the world that is impossible to believe. There are too many fake Christians and wolves in sheep's clothing. Let's say there is about 500,000,000 true Christians in this world- that still leaves billions of souls on earth right now that are going to Hell. The largest soul harvest in history is going to be during the tribulation. I have begged God to please take us out of here ASAP in order to give the Christians who are pining for His return their rest from this wicked world and to give the wicked all the evidence and signs in the world that God is real and this is their last chance.

Ashley, Rapture Ready 48 Comments [12/22/2007 2:06:05 AM]
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Quote# 32692

Other than providing a temporary source of cheap labor, liberation of the *liberated* Western woman has been good for only one thing. Thanks to a unique combination of abortion, birth control, and truly atrocious parenting skills, it is breeding the species out of the human gene pool.

While patriarchal religion is frequently blamed for the subjugation of women, the real culprit is Darwinian biology. Those who do not breed - and raise children willing and able to breed - disappear forever.

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History will record that curious species know as the *liberated* Western woman did little more than *agitate, agitate, agitate* herself into oblivion as she became her own worst enemy.

noone, Christian Domestic Discipline 33 Comments [12/22/2007 1:11:18 AM]
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Quote# 32702

We "Watchers" are in a different category (not elitist-mind you) than those who "don't see." Maybe this is where some of the depression comes in.? Those who don't get it (or don't want to) seem to be scurrying about with everyday "stuff." Pumped up in themselves. Almost like they're trying to prolong the inevitable that they don't even understand.

We, on the other hand, know the WONDERMENT just over the horizon and it's almost too much for us to bear.

It's too overwhelming to those who have been taught that the Bible has been totally mistranstlated through the years and therefore unreliable, to those who don't have a firm relationship with Christ, who haven't studied prophesy to hear that this is it --- the time for Christ's 2nd coming is just a few years off --- we'll be transformed into new heavenly bodies and taken up to live with the Lord in an instance, prior to all the chaos that will ensue here during seven years of tribulation with the Anti-Christ.

That we'll receive our crowns, which we then leave at Jesus' feet, become His bride and attend the wedding feast, then come down with Him as His Warriors, when he sets His feet on the Mount of Olives, and help Him fight and win the Battle of Armageddon. I mean, do you see how crazy this can sound to the unbeliever and even the new believer and those who don't keep up with international news like we do?

We are WEIRDOS to them.

I am SO BLESSED to be a WEIRDO for CHRIST! And I Love ALL my fellow RR Weirdo's out there!!!

1angel4u, Rapture Ready 43 Comments [12/21/2007 11:33:10 PM]
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Quote# 32665

I was asked to attend a bible study. That night I prayed and asked God if I should go. I was given the following dream: I was at my neighbor's house...and a half circle of people were sitting in a darkened living room listening to a man with a King James bible opened. I remember seeing the golden King James lettering on a black bible. He was preaching that you receive money back when you give money to the church.

I walked into the kitchen and this gal was cooking something up. It smelled terrible. I looked into the pot and saw that it was people's dung being cooked up. I was disgusted by this.

I asked the Lord what the dream mean't. The Lord showed me that he didn't desire me to attend that bible study because the teaching that was going on was dung to him. That teaching the gospel for gain is man's dung and smells horrible in his nostrials. He also showed me that man added and changed words in the king james bible that are man's dung . They should have left the words that were there and not change any of it by scholars.

Jackie, God's Truth 42 Comments [12/21/2007 7:30:29 PM]
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Quote# 32657

[about dumbledore being gay]

Man JKR is a B I T C H someone payed her to say he was. Gay rights is a joke why dont we all run around naked with a rainbow flag that will show them. GAY PRIDE if u are gay and you are happy about it i dont know what to say. But if you are gay and can admit it is a problem email me i will really try to help you. [email protected] Please it is the best for the world okay

Julius, Leaky Cauldron 46 Comments [12/21/2007 7:01:34 PM]
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Quote# 32666

"Essentially, [atheism] looks at the current order and either commonly goes with what the majority believe or goes with another view."

"Smaug", EvilBible Forums 51 Comments [12/21/2007 7:00:46 PM]
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Quote# 32656

(He is talking about his wife)

I totally agree that a good long cry during the spanking will indicate, and result in a very sweet contrite spirit, and a nice submissive attitude for hours after a spanking that has been properly and lovingly given. Never stop the spanking when she starts crying, that is the beginning of a very valuable lesson she is about to learn. I believe the spanking should at least continue until she starts to cry softly, sometimes even longer. Afterward Her sweetness and submissiveness will be wonderful.

Dave, Christian Domestic Discipline Blog 111 Comments [12/21/2007 6:59:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Natalie

Quote# 32678

INCUBI - Demonic sexual attacks on females; may be caused by sexual sins, witchcraft spells, curses of lust, inherited curses, can attack children

SUCCUBI - demonic sexual attacks on males, may be caused by the same as Incubi above

Forget medieval times and folklore, these demons are for real! The demons have sex with both men and women as the person sleeps, AND YOU KNOW IT. It's not a dream, and it is not your imagination.

If you have encountered this situation, DELIVERANCE and Spiritual Warfare can stop it.

A woman called us once and told us about these demons, and that she was afraid to go to sleep because of it. She said that the demons would often lift her bed up in the air, and drag her across the floor. She never got back to us, and probably never got DELIVERANCE.

Another woman wrote to us and told us that a demons were having sex with her as she slept. Her husband, a Pastor, said it was just her "imagination".

Stan and Elizabeth Madrak, Demonbuster 50 Comments [12/21/2007 6:17:05 PM]
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Quote# 32669

What can demons do? They can drive you NUTS. Believe me, it is not you. If you are born with some kind of affliction, that is one thing. If you are not, then it's Demons or the Devil. And I do not care what people are teaching other people, in the M.Health field.

catherine, ChristiaNet 23 Comments [12/21/2007 6:10:44 PM]
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Quote# 32675

SOME OBJECTS TO DESTROY: (See Lev. 11:13-21 and Deut. 14:7-19)

Some accursed objects are: owls, frogs, unicorns, dolphins, dragons, horseshoes; items from other countries such as Africa, China, Japan; American Indian artifacts, carvings, pictures, buddha statutes. Dolls and stuffed animals - dolls originated in voodoo. Paisley pattern on anything. Nike is a Greek god, according to the dictionary.

Collections, Pictures of movie stars, some items passed down from ancestors, Shamrocks, Any kind of good luck charm, Statues, Oriental objects, African items, Indian items, American Indian items, Any items that are used in witchcraft, The Book of Mormon, satanic bible, Books on other religions, Rock and roll music, etc.

Stan and Elizabeth Madrak, Demonbuster 69 Comments [12/21/2007 1:26:42 PM]
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Quote# 32668

{The radar story is facinating, but only one of many thousands of reliable reports of solid targets on radar and cameras, (and other physical evidence). But physical evidence doesn't prove they aren't spiritual since spirits can create physical manifestations. The hexagon on Saturn's north (but not south) pole also appears to be a physical manifestation from a higher energy dimension. I guess Chuck is also ignorant of spirits showing up on camera. I guess that proves spirits don't exist either?}


Joshua thats amazing, I did not hear of that, but last month a perfect shaped pentagram was located on the planet of saturn. And today.......swarms of dragonflies are at my house. I know that Satan is referred to as the father of the flies, but I honestly must tell you these swarms of dragonflies are unlike any thing I've ever seen. Somethings up.

Cynthia 1, ChristiaNet 32 Comments [12/21/2007 12:32:06 PM]
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Quote# 32671

The difference between homosexual sex between consenting adults and necrophilia is that with necrophilia only one person is committing a sin.

Ross Best, TPM Election Central 42 Comments [12/21/2007 11:09:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Isis

Quote# 32654

[About a woman thinking it's Christian to wear dresses, and how she wears no panties for easy access for her husband.]

My politically incorrect opinion for what it's worth is as women we should always wear skirts. I so enjoy the Difference between men and women and wouldn't want it any other way. My husband actually makes me wear snug fitting panties after a spanking (for punishment) as a reminder throughout the day to help me behave. Thanks for some of the tips for dealing with skirts in different seasons.

daisy, Christian Domestic Discipline 65 Comments [12/21/2007 4:29:29 AM]
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