Quote# 93769

I have found many of the problems children have to be rooted in a poor or absent parental relationship, same sex attraction or a lack of interest in heterosexual relationships being just some of the possible negative outcomes. Indeed, if unhealthy developmental outcome regarding any number of mental health and substance abuse issues is rooted in unhealthy parental relationships, then why would we expect the development of same sex attraction to be any different in origin. Once we understand the importance of parental relationships in human development, we would look to these experiences when seeking the roots of all developmental outcomes, including sexual orientation.

If two opposite sex parents are necessary to the raising of healthy children, how ironic, then, is the position held by proponents of same sex marriage that they can do the same when in fact they themselves are living out the negative consequences of not having had healthy relationships with two biological parents. They now wish to impose the very same deficits on the next generation of children, and then to declare this arrangement "healthy."

Does that make any sense?

Jeffrey Pearce, Christian Post 34 Comments [4/16/2013 3:31:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 93768

Abortion, same-sex marriage and separation of church and state are not fundamental rights, Keyes said. If God does not recognize them, they do not exist.

“The Declaration of Independence was the first action of the people of the United States,” Keyes said. “The first thing they did was to acknowledge God as the law giver.”

Keyes said God created an authority that must be respected.

“The premise of the existence of our country as a political entity…the premise of all rights and justices is that there is a God, he created nature and in that creation he exercised an authority that we must respect,” he said.

That statement received a loud applause by those in attendance.

Keyes said while abortion, same-sex marriage and separation of church and state are not basic human rights there are leaders who are trying to “fabricate” rights.

“People who sit on the U.S. Supreme Court take it among themselves to argue that somehow there should be separation of church and state,” he said. “Nothing in the Constitution requires separation, nor could it because we cannot separate the country from its finding premise without destroying it.”

When arguing what a fundamental right actually is, Keyes gave an offbeat example of a young child who had a habit of “picking in their nostrils and “eating what came out.”

As the child grew up they noticed others were disgusted and did not want to be near him. As an adult the individual argued if others have the right to eat what they want, the individual should be recognized as having the same right.

“How many think that is a fundamental right?” he asked the audience.

No one raised their hand.

“Nobody in their right mind would suggest it was,” Keyes said. “What makes something a fundamental right that actually trumps the Constitution of the United States? It can’t just be because you feel like it, or want to do it. It can’t just be that you feel badly about what you do because of the opinions of others, these are not arguments of rights...rights come from God.”

Alan Keyes, MLive 31 Comments [4/16/2013 3:23:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 93766

Anti-Islam advocate and faith leader Terry Jones is upping the ante on his attacks on the Muslim faith. Rather than burning a Koran to mark the 12th anniversary of 9/11, Jones has another plan: He’s going to torch 2,998 copies of the book.

Yes, you read that correctly.

According to a press release put out by the pastor’s organization, Stand Up America!, on Sept. 11, 2013, Jones and his followers will “send Islam a very clear warning,” as he plans to hold an “International Burning of 2,998 Korans.” And in a conversation with TheBlaze, he said he’s planning on gathering the books from around the world.

This number wasn’t chosen without reason, as it is the figure Jones gives for the Americans who were killed during the nation’s most horrific terror attack.

“The radical hand of Islam shows itself with violence against anyone who dares to stand up and speak the truth. We at Stand Up America will not back down. We will not be silent,” the release reads.

It continues, explaining the purpose of the “International Burning” day.

“On September 11th, 2013, to remember those who were murdered by radical Islam, and to send Islam a very clear warning, that they will not get their foothold in the American Constitution as they have done in Europe, we will be holding an International Burning of 2,998 Korans, representing one for each individual who was murdered in the September 11th, 2001 attacks.”

[...]

With few details about how the event will work, TheBlaze reached out to Jones. On Monday morning, he gave a few additional details. Of particular note, we asked him why Stand Up America is releasing details about the event five months before it’s set to unfold — and he explained.

“For one thing, it’s going to take a lot of preparation to get together 2,998 Korans,” he said. “We’re hoping to gather them from around the states, around the world.”

Jones is planning to collect the books and then collectively burn them somewhere in America. In his brief interview with TheBlaze, he mentioned Tampa, Florida as a potential location. Details aside from that were sparse.

Pastor Terry Jones, The Blaze 60 Comments [4/16/2013 3:11:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 93751

The AIDS problem is that the rectum wasn’t made for sex like the vagina. A condom will still tear at the thin wall of the rectum, ergo, since Bill and Melinda [Gates] are so pro-abortion maybe they could fund the creation of a technique whereby the tiny vaginas of aborted baby girls are sewn together and then retrofitted into the anus of homosexuals. Everybody’s happy and we’ve cured AIDS!

Bill and Melinda are pondering: “Serious or parody? With our billions, anything is possible.”

Pegon Zellschmidt, Moonbattery 112 Comments [4/15/2013 3:18:34 AM]
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Quote# 93747

The Bible tells us that Satan has the ability to "appear as an angel of light." Nowhere is this more evident than in the radical attempt to promote homosexuality in society today as something good. For the purpose of deceiving Mankind and destroying souls, Satan has thus given the homosexual lobby the following 10 commandments.

1) Always see your sexual opponent (anyone who rejects homosexual acts) as the enemy. Project what they see as your sexual disorder onto them by repetitiously calling them "homophobes";

2) Separate the act of sex from its natural purpose of procreation by referring to all homosexual relationships as expressions of "love" rather than "lust";

3) Fight to deny those who oppose homosexual acts their right to free of speech. At the same time enforce your own right to free speech on others by copiously using the liberal media and other outlets to label your opponents every unsavory thing from "bigot" to "idiot." Use the words "equality" and "hate" often and unrelentingly as if only you – the homosexual – understand their meaning. If anyone objects, accuse them of discrimination. Keep in mind that politicians and judges are your friends. Many of them are openly practicing homosexuals and the rest, swayed by power and the almighty dollar, will do anything for your vote. Remember, too, that in today's politically correct and morally relativistic society there is no objective moral order and that it often takes only one civil judge to side in your favor for you to achieve your ends;

4) Use the "race card" unceasingly against your enemy by equating homosexual behaviour (which can change) with a person's color (which, by one's will alone, cannot). Most people don't know the difference;

5) Build yourself up in the eyes of the indifferent masses – who are mere sheep – by claiming to be a modern person of tolerance and peace – one who is accepting of all. The people will believe you because in today's materialistic word people are focused primarily on themselves and their own gain. They have little or no concern for what others do as long as it does not effect them. Ridicule and undermine the intelligence of your more worthy opponents by resorting to ambiguity and sarcasm. Never resist a chance to claim that they are living in the "Dark Ages";

6) Act and speak as if homosexuals have a corner on the truth and that they alone – not their opponents – can demand of society what is right and wrong. Use every form of deceit imaginable including the use of straw man arguments and false scientific studies – anything that will appeal to the simpleton. Lie, deceive, put on a false front. Pretend you are a friend. Talk of peace and brotherhood. Make pledges of co-operation and mutual assistance. In short, destroy your opponent with a kiss;

7) Confuse the distinction between "hating the sin" and "loving the sinner." This is an absolute must since everyone – especially parents – know the time-honored value of disciple and "tough love." This can be effectively achieved by introducing special "anti-bullying" laws into schools that aim at protecting homosexuals from the enemy. If you find that someone suspects your true motives and resists on the grounds that homosexuals should not be given special status in this regard or that such laws are merely an attempt to normalize homosexuality in society, use both the "equality" and the "separation of church and state" card against them;

8) Never lose sight of the fact that God is your ultimate enemy. Attack God and all religion as something oppressive, hypocritical and evil. This is easily done by take biblical quotes out of context to suite your own purpose and meaning. At the same time avoid all talk of the murderous regimes of atheists like Hitler and Stalin;

9) Assure everyone that no religion will be made to suffer from societies' acceptance of homosexuality. Speak always and often of equality and co-existence. Claim, as a sham, snare, and illusion, that tradition marriage and homosexual marriage can live side-by-side in complete harmony. Dismiss as silly and unviable any attempt to show that the "Pill" – which was introduced to separate and tear asunder the act of sex from the gift of life – has led to the disintegrated of the family. At the same time, and wherever possible, work diligently behind the scenes to drag your religious opponent into court whenever his moral values even begin to clash with yours. Test and try every court until you find a judge who is your friend. Especially work on religious adoption agencies and church ministers who lecture on the evils of homosexuality and same-sex marriage in their sermons. Where this is not possible infiltrate the priesthood so as to corrupt religion from within,

10) Redefine joyful and well-established words and symbols like "marriage," "spouse," "gay" and "rainbow" and attach them to homosexual acts in order to give sin an innocent, natural and pleasing appeal.

This, in effect, is the homosexual lobby manifesto that is sweeping the world. Yes indeed folks, Satan is among us!

With respectful and cordial best wishes, I remain,

Sincerely Yours,

Paul Kokoski

Paul Kokoski, Renew America 59 Comments [4/15/2013 3:17:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Zagen30

Quote# 93746

The polytheistic religion of Greeks said that there were many gods. There were as many divine plans and as many purposes as there were gods. Since the gods interacted in a chaotic fashion, people had no guarantee that the world would show any stable order. Greek religion discouraged any hope for a scientific exploration of a rational order.

Modern science arose in the context of Christian monotheism, which displaced the Greek gods and gave confidence to prospective scientists by means of three fundamental principles:

One rational God rules all things (Genesis 1:1; Psalm 33:6), and so we can expect universal order.
God made man in his image (Genesis 1:26-27), and so man is naturally in tune with God’s mind and has hope of grasping the order that God had given.
The world that God made is not divine, and hence is open for human investigation.

In fact, God’s word is the foundation for scientific law. According to Genesis 1, God by speaking specified the regular order for the sun and moon and stars, and the regular pattern for the growth and reproduction of plants (Genesis 1:11, 14-15). What scientists call scientific law is in fact their guess about God’s law, God’s specification, “let it be so.” Scientists in their investigation are in fact investigating the mind of God and thinking his thoughts after him–albeit on their limited, human level.

Early scientists like Copernicus and Isaac Newton understood that they stood before God’s workmanship.

Vern S. Poythress, Frame and Poythress 46 Comments [4/15/2013 3:14:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 93745

All scientists—including agnostics and atheists—believe in God. They have to in order to do their work.

It seems outrageous to include the agnostics and atheists. But by their actions people sometimes show that in a sense they believe in things that they profess not to believe. Bakht, a Vedantic Hindu philosopher, may say that the world is an illusion. But he does not casually walk into the street in front of an oncoming bus. Sue, a radical relativist, may say that there is no truth. But she travels calmly at 30,000 feet on a plane whose safe flight depends on the unchangeable truths of aerodynamics and structural mechanics.1

But what about scientists? Do they believe in God? Must they? Popular American culture often transmits the contrary idea, namely that science is antagonistic to orthodox Christian belief. Recitations of Galileo’s conflict and of the Scopes Trial have gained mythic status, and receive reinforcement through vocal promotions of materialistic evolution.

Historians of science point out that modern science arose in the context of a Christian worldview, and was nourished and sustained by that view.2 But even if that was once so, twentieth century science seems to sustain itself without the help of explicit theistic underpinnings. In fact, many consider God to be the God of the gaps, the God whom people invoke only to account for gaps in modern scientific explanation. As science advances and more gaps become subject to explanation, the role of God diminishes. The natural drives out the need for the supernatural.3

Vern Sheridan Poythress, Frame and Poythress 29 Comments [4/15/2013 3:12:12 AM]
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Quote# 93742

This is what happens when you allow liberalism and the idea of “equality” to take hold. Where does it stop? It never does. It always snowballs. Once one type of sexual deviance is more or less “accepted” as normal, they have the next one on the batting plate, getting you ready to accept that one, too.

I’ve told multiple people in my life that we will live to see the day when pedophilia is not only legal, but would be a celebrated facet of sexual behavior. I was laughed at by all of my friends, but I simply uttered these words,

“If it was 70 years ago and I told you that you’d be supportive and in favor of homosexuals parading the streets in the nude as a country celebrated their mental disease, you would have laughed at me just as you did now.”


David Elliot, Total Fascism 53 Comments [4/14/2013 5:37:28 AM]
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Submitted By: TheSage

Quote# 93738

Don’t forget, it’s the “progressive” church that is going to be the leading voice against Bible-believing Christians.

Don’t think Jesus was talking about “social justice”? YOU’RE AN EXTREMIST.

Think the Bible really means what it says, and is not simply “allegorical”? YOU’RE AN EXTREMIST.

Think the Bible actually views homosexuality as a sin because you read the Authorized Version and not some new, friendlier translation? YOU’RE AN EXTREMIST.

Think that ecumenicism is a fraud of Satan to get you to water down your beliefs and God’s word? YOU’RE AN EXTREMIST.

Think you’re not going to be a target by the forces of Satan that are now in control of most of the “Christian” world? FAT CHANCE!

Skyfall, Moonbattery 48 Comments [4/14/2013 5:36:11 AM]
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Quote# 93733

[A commenter mentioned their son fighting in Afghanistan]

Spare us the BS, Single.

That boy is over there fighting for the right of Afghan women to wear bikinis and divorce their husbands — not our freedom.

W. F. Price, The Spearhead 47 Comments [4/14/2013 5:34:59 AM]
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Quote# 93726

[Susyn lends her "advice" to a woman with a suicidally depressed daughter.]

A third and rarely discussed cause of depression involves spiritual entities or ghosts. When negative entities attach to people, they drain them of energy and often make them feel depressed and disempowered. If this is the case with your daughter, you will need to hire a psychic or exorcist to guide her through releasing this entity and protecting herself from similar attacks in the future.

Susyn, Kajama 39 Comments [4/14/2013 5:33:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Wykked Wytch

Quote# 93725

From a Christian perspective, logical thinking is intrinsically connected to the ultimate reality of God and His nature. Thus in a profound sense "The real is rational and the rational is real." This also explains why Classical Humanists were able to reason from the facts of nature to the existence of God as in Aristotle's Cosmological argument, which is irrefutable. The work of the Holy Spirit is still necessary to effect salvation by changing the hearts of unbelievers, but there is a great deal that fallen man can understand if he wants to. The Classical Humanists seriously wanted to know the truth and learned a great deal, evolutionists are are, for the most part, foaming at the mouth fanatics incapable of rational thinking as witnessed by the fact that there are no logical arguments for evolution, it's all blind faith.

Rober O adair, amazon 33 Comments [4/14/2013 5:33:17 AM]
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Quote# 93723

Two Wounds

Hitler, his name be cursed eternally, said that the Jews had inflicted two wounds on humanity: circumcision upon the body, and conscience upon the mind. He wanted to create a world where people acted without conscience, where babies could be murdered unthinkingly and unhesitatingly. A world without G-d, without goodness, without morality. He tried to exterminate not only the Jews, G-d forbid, but everything the Jews wanted to teach the world: mercy; kindness; compassion; emulation of G-d. There is no place in eugenics, the survival of the fittest, Darwinism taken to its utmost extreme, scientific atheism brought to its most evil conclusion, for any twinge of conscience or reverence for life.

Anonymous, Chabad.org 34 Comments [4/14/2013 5:33:02 AM]
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Quote# 93720

A Moral Argument Against Darwinism

1. If Darwinism is an adequate account of the biosphere, then human beings have no essential nature, since they evolved without design into their present forms.

2. If (1), then various races of humans may be more evolved (that is, more adaptively successful) than other races. Darwin himself states this in The Descent of Man.

3. If (2), there is nothing intrinsically valuable about the human race as a whole. That is, some races may prevail upon other races given their selective advantages due to their unique evolutionary path.

4. If (3), then there is no philosophical basis for the claim that humans qua humans have objective and universal human rights.

5. But (4) is false. Our moral intuitions and the history of Western law treat every human being, irrespective of race, as possessing intrinsic human dignity and must be treated as such. The United Nation’s statement on human rights affirms this, for example, as does The United States Declaration of Independence: “All men are created equal.”

6. Further, if (4) is true, then we have no objective basis to morally condemn the enslavement or even eradication of the “less favored races” (Darwin’s term).

7. But (4) is false, because of (5).

8. Therefore (6) is false because of (5)

9. Therefore, (1)—Darwinism—is false. This is by modus tollens, which in this case is a reductio ad absurdum (reduce the claim to absurdity).

Douglas Groothuis, The Constructive Curmudgeon 50 Comments [4/14/2013 5:32:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Wehpudicabok

Quote# 93719

Why not the greatest glory for the smallest child? Why give happiness/honor to adults, why not the greatest glory to the smallest child? Surely small children are cuter than adults, so if they are cuter, they should have more glory?

Prove me wrong. If utilitarianism says that you must give the greatest honor (because happiness entails honor and social position) to the greatest number, why not give the greatest glory to the smallest child, since small children have not done as many bad things as adults.

Why are you racist against children?

jstrodel, Atheist Forums 43 Comments [4/14/2013 5:31:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Stimbo

Quote# 93718

I'm also starting to see some merit in the theory that receiving the 'mark of the beast' (likely through an implant in the hand or forehead)will result in the DNA upgrade so called ET's are always talking about.

They make it sound like they are just helping us to improve our lives and evolve.And indeed those that take it may have much expanded lifespans and other superhuman abilities.

But in reality they are merely turning mankind into nephilims and corrupting our DNA from the image of God it was intended to be.

When the earth was infested with these hybrids before God had to nearly exterminate mankind because almost all flesh was corrupt besides noahs.

After the mark of the beast is instilled and men start willingly turning themselves into hybrids God will cleanse the earth of the curse of the fallen one last time.

Perhaps thats why the judgement against those with the mark is so harsh and swift.Gods mercy is only for the sons of Adam.Those who freely accept the bloodline of the fallen will receive the judgement of the fallen.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 23 Comments [4/14/2013 5:30:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 93715

I’m old fashioned. I like my neighbors being able to have their government reflect their cultural values. Telling people they have no vested interest in how their community governs interpersonal relationships is telling people they have no vested interest in the most basic and important rituals of the human experience. This is absurd on its face. You wouldn’t tell an Amazon tribe what they were doing was wrong if they buried children in mud — traditional peoples are sacrosanct. But Joe Flyover must be a hater.

Occigent, The Spearhead 28 Comments [4/14/2013 5:28:21 AM]
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Quote# 93712


I am referencing Rush... their rules changes and lawsuit threats over injuries have driven a once manly game into being another PC experiment... much like the Military is today. Let the fags become a celebrated class and your beloved NFL will go bankrupt. I will never watch another game for as along as I live... maybe I will be alone in that... but wait... some on this very thread have stated the same.

LLS

LibLieSlayer, Free Republic 30 Comments [4/14/2013 5:28:05 AM]
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Quote# 93704

In one way I feel like [bunch of smilies] because of what is going on all around us....just plain gross! But Jesus did tell us we would have trials and adversity (paraphrasing) in the latter days. In the other way with all this sin going on I know the Rapture has to beclose at hand. And I am so happy and grateful for that. We have to wade through the nastiness to get to the Great. I am not sure if this has been discussed before but does anyone think that the push for gay marriage is TPTB's way of population control? I know it is already a mockery of what God meant for marriage but was just wondering if there was "an added bonus" for those who are pushing this.

Sherri

sherrid, Rapture Ready 22 Comments [4/14/2013 5:21:40 AM]
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Quote# 93700

[A father whips his two daughters with a cable wire as punishment. The girls are balled into a corner, screaming, crying, and begging him to stop.]

Is anybody but me upset that the Nanny State government is inserting themselves into his private life and trying to tell him how to raise his kids? It’s government overreach. This government interference with a parents ability to discipline their kids is exactly what happened in Germany when Hitler rose to power. And we all know how that turned out.

Sendthemeteors, The Blaze 88 Comments [4/12/2013 3:24:23 AM]
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Quote# 93698

Yea, about 600mph. How would your friend notice a plane going 600mph? Thats INSANELY fast, faster than the speed of sound. Also, planes land at Reagen [National Airport] all the time, how would he know where the plane was going. The distance from Reagen to the Pentagon @ 600mph is about .0002 seconds.

MagicalMystery, Shroomery 44 Comments [4/12/2013 3:23:25 AM]
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Quote# 93688

The media are the enemy.

Without the support of the media, the partisans and activists and academics would have no public support, and their power would collapse.

The newsmen of this day are vermin, dangerous beasts, parasites and maggots. They must be abolished, hounded by the public square, harassed by the law, scourged by the intolerance of the righteous, driven into the fringes of society, exiled. We trusted them; they betrayed us. They betrayed the truth, and betray the nation, and betray humanity itself.

They must be broken. The media are the enemy.

John C. Wright, John C. Wright's Journal 51 Comments [4/12/2013 3:09:37 AM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 93684

[On the lack of Wiccans in racial nationalist groups]

Do you mean those who hang around Stone Henge in white Frocks, and flowers in the hair, these sorts, ain't Followers of the Elder Ways, at least not in any Germanic form, they are simply playing at being druids and such, which is far from being of any Germanic heritage...
Middle-Class! Its them that hate us, a bunch of rich kids, playing at Revolution until they grow up and then they piss off back to Mummy and Daddy and get a Job at Daddy's Bank or Firm....

When i say hate us, i mean they hate their own people, I.E. The Englisc, It is the likes of them that are Fabians, Masons, Neo-Nazi-Liebour, the New Tories, the Lineral Internationalists who despise their own People..........

They wouldn't know what a real Heathen was if they were shown one!

Teutoburg Weald, Anglo-Saxon Foundation 36 Comments [4/12/2013 3:02:34 AM]
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Quote# 93674

This is the homoerotic movement’s sick approach. Football fans are very likely NOT to care about the sexuality of players so long as the STFU about it and get the job done on the field.

This crap about “coming out” — there’s not one positive aspect to it. All it will serve to do is divide people. But of course the left is all about dividing anc conquering, so THEY see it as a win.

ScottinVA , Free Republic 45 Comments [4/11/2013 3:20:51 AM]
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Quote# 93673

All the straight [NFL] players should come out. Announce they’re forming a straight-only league and tell the gay players they can go play in the lingerie league. Though I doubt that would go over too well with the minorities.

Terry Mross , Free Republic 40 Comments [4/11/2013 3:20:38 AM]
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