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Quote# 105932


Re: What do you think about the "Breivik massacre"? False flag?

9/11 is proof enough how ruthless they are. They don`t give anything on human lives. The Norway massacre was a "good" reason to increase the monitoring all over Europe.

Alexandermerow , forum.prisonplanet.com 25 Comments [1/21/2015 4:20:23 AM]
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Submitted By: A

Quote# 105930

[from: 10 WOMEN CHRISTIAN MEN SHOULD NOT MARRY]

3. The Older Woman. Not a sin, but certainly not God’s ideal. God expects men to be the spiritual leaders of the home (Eph 5:25) and it certainly requires an extra measure of grace to lead a woman who’s older than you. Again, if you’re a man and you’re already in such a marriage, then honor it till the day you die–it’s still a valid marriage and divorce is not an option! However, if you’re not yet married but thinking about an older woman I want to remind you that God intentionally (with good reason!) created Adam before Eve in the First Marriage. Scripture informs us that God created man first chronologically for the sake of authority! Listen: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Timothy 2:12-13).

Apparently, even secular researchers are now beginning to discover results that back up biblical claims: “If you’re a woman two or more years older than your husband, your marriage is 53 percent more likely to end in divorce than if he was one year younger to three years older.” (Source: Rebecca Kippen, Bruce Chapman and Peng Yu, “What’s Love Got to Do With It? Homogamy and Dyadic Approaches to Understanding Marital Instability,” Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, 2009.)

4. The Feminist. There’s no room within Christendom for the “Christian feminist.” Though women and men have equal value in the eyes of God (Gal 3:28), they certainly have different God-given roles. Any woman who tries to usurp her husband’s authority or even claims to be a co-leader with her man is gravely dishonoring the God who created her to be subject and obedient to her husband (Eph 5:22, Col 3:18, 1 Pet 3:1). Eve was distinctly created “for” man, a point that the apostle Paul makes abundantly clear in 1 Corinthians 11 when he writes, “For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.” (1 Corinthians 11:8-9). Men, your wife is to be your “helper” (Gen 2:18)–not your leader and certainly not your equal in terms of authority. Look for a woman who agrees with you in this very vital God-ordained relational dynamic.

Dr. Stephen Kim, NYCpastor.com 48 Comments [1/20/2015 4:22:55 AM]
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Submitted By: ixolite

Quote# 105927

The female equivalent of the male executive groping his secretary’s ass is the female executive shit testing the CEO. And observe. Female executives shit test their superiors all the time, paying very little attention to the menial drudgery of merely running the business. In this sense, women at work are seriously sex obsessed.

In this sense, it is sex all the time, work very little of the time. The company is boyfriend and family.

For girls, shit testing men is like men looking at girls boobs. Women want to go into engineering to shit test men. Men want to go into engineering because as little boys they loved toy trucks and video games. Girls go sex crazy at ten and stay sex crazy till menopause.

...

Feminism is driven by sex. They are always talking about rape and sexual harassment because they are always thinking about sex. They are not thinking about careers in engineering because they like the C language, but because the boys in engineering have a status hierarchy in which girls are at the bottom, so they want to shit test those boys by demanding equal, indeed superior, status.

Jim, Jim's Blog 50 Comments [1/20/2015 4:22:13 AM]
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Quote# 105926

There are also pretty wide differences in style, and disagreements on certain of the finer points. I, for example, don’t believe that “progressivism” has always been equalist, at least in regards to race, or that race is even so central to contemporary politics as it appears. Instead, I think it serves as a foil; a sort of tool for expiating guilt and shifting blame onto the less fortunate. My evidence for this is that the whiter and more affluent any given region is, the more politically correct it is outwardly. The same holds throughout just about any segment of society. Is a religion comprised mainly of rich white people (e.g. Episcopalianism)? Then it will surely be extremely liberal and politically correct, filled only with the beautiful people. Are most adherents simple, salt-of-the-earth commoners (Evangelicals)? Vile rednecks and bigots the lot of them! In fact, I think the move away from racial politics toward sexual politics reflects the imminent failure of the black/white polarization of the US that began with the Civil Rights era, and apparently the Southern Poverty Law Center Agrees with me — the organization has shifted toward LGBT rights even as it scales down its traditionally black-oriented legal program. Trayvon Martin and Paula Deen notwithstanding, the bulk of the American people are getting tired of racial politics. Racial diversity, it seems, has become mundane in its triumph.

What I see separating those of us associated with the Dark Enlightenment from the establishment is, above all, class. We are representative of the middle class, which has been under assault for almost fifty years in the US. We, despite some individual success stories, are the losers in the growing inequality of the US. Our status is much reduced, the “aristocracy” more dominant than ever. The war against the American yeomanry, waged with what Sam Francis called “anarcho-tyranny,” has been a smashing victory. The outward values of the aristocracy, whether “racial equality,” “gender equality,” or even the equality of gay and straight sex, are merely self-serving tools, and would quickly be dropped if they had no use. I have discovered that, in holding views that run contrary to human nature (yes, preference for one’s own kind is a perfectly normal human instinct), they set up a strawman that deflects attention from themselves and their naked self-aggrandizement at our expense. What better way to loot the country without resistance than to incite the people by holding up, say, sodomy as an example for their children, and have them expend all their energy fighting this manufactured outrage?

W. F. Price, The Spearhead 17 Comments [1/20/2015 4:21:29 AM]
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Quote# 105925

Homosexuality is an abomination to God . They are made thru molestation,not born that way. That's the only way it multiplies . We as American Christians have allow this to spread thru a weak watered down message from the pulpits. Oh where are the national Christian leaders, that will fearlessly stand up for God and His Word!

Dan Schulz, Ken Ham's Facebook 36 Comments [1/20/2015 4:21:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Nemo

Quote# 105924

HE NEW ANT and the Grasshopper, Two Versions:

The ANT
AND THE
GRASSHOPPER

This one is a little different....
Two Different Versions ...
Two Different Morals

OLD VERSION:

The ant works
hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper
thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm
and well fed.

The grasshopper has
no food or shelter, so he
dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:

Be responsible for yourself!


MODERN VERSION: PHOOEY!!

The ant works hard
in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house
and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant
is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper
calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be
allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving..

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN,
and ABC show up to
provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper
next to a video of the ant
in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper
is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears
on Oprah
with the grasshopper
and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not EasyBeing Green ...'

Occupy the Anthill stages
a demonstration in front of the ant's
house where the news stations film the SEIU group singing, We shall overcome.

Then Rev Al Sharpton's assistant
has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper
while he damns the ants. The Reverend Al can not attend as he has contractual commitments to appear on his MSNBC show for which he is paid over two million dollars a year to complain that rich people do not care.

President Obama condemns the ant
and blames
President Bush 43, President Bush 41, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the
Pope
for the grasshopper's
plight….

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid
exclaim in an interview on The View
that the ant has
gotten rich off the back of the
grasshopper ,
and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts
the Economic Equity &
Anti-Grasshopper Act
retroactive to the beginning of
the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number
of green bugs and,
having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar
and given to the grasshopper .

The story ends as we see the grasshopper
and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house,
crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken
over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.

The entire Nation collapses
bringing the rest
of the free world with it.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

Be careful how you vote in 2016.

I've sent this to you because I believe that you are an ant
not a grasshopper !

Make sure that you pass
this on to other ants .

Don't bother sending
it on to any grasshoppers
because they wouldn't
understand it, anyway

Tea Party Community, Tea Party Community 51 Comments [1/20/2015 4:19:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Dominic McPherson

Quote# 105922

If gender is a social construct, then this: "man trapped in a woman's body"

...is incoherent. #Feminism is inconsistent.

Timothy Dukeman, Twitter 21 Comments [1/20/2015 4:16:27 AM]
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Quote# 105919

[Ellipses in original]

I think the American Church needs more women's conferences.

...where all the speakers are men. Teaching responsibilities were given to men.

Timothy Dukeman, Twitter 18 Comments [1/20/2015 4:15:49 AM]
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Quote# 105918

With Christians being fired for believing what Scripture says, we need to consider the possibility that "LGBT Ally" is the Mark of the Beast

Timothy Dukeman, Twitter 32 Comments [1/20/2015 4:13:29 AM]
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Quote# 105916

(Reuters) - At least three people were killed on Saturday in protests in Niger against French newspaper Charlie Hebdo's cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, police sources said, bringing the death toll from two days of violence in the West African country to eight.

Police fired teargas at crowds of stone-throwing Muslim youths who set fire to churches and looted shops in the capital Niamey after authorities banned a meeting called by local Islamic leaders. A police station was attacked and at least two police cars burned.

The police sources said two charred bodies were found inside a burned church on the outskirts of Niamey on Saturday, while the body of a woman was found in a bar. She was believed to have been suffocated by teargas and smoke, they said.

At least six churches were burned or looted. Calm returned in the afternoon but a demonstration called for on Sunday by opposition groups could revive the tension.

"They offended our Prophet Mohammad, that's what we didn't like," said Amadou Abdoul Ouahab, who took part in the demonstration. "This is the reason why we asked Muslims to come, so that we can explain this to them, but the state refused. That's why we're angry today."

[...]

With the influence of moderate Sufi brotherhoods, Niger has avoided the armed Islamist uprisings that have shaken neighbouring Nigeria and Mali, but there have been growing protests by hardline Muslim associations over social issues.

Nigerien mobs and Amadou Abdoul Ouahab, Reuters 24 Comments [1/20/2015 4:12:18 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 105906

I get why people want to believe in the miracle presented by the psychiatric industry but the fact is their diagnoses are almost all guesses, it is awful science that divides them, and their drugs have been shown to be objectively more harmful than helpful for all but the most severely affected people, such that 40% of the improvement “gained” by the use of antidepressants can be attributed to the placebo affect and that only 10-15% of patients are even able to garner any of that effect from pills with sometimes terrible side effects and which pass terrible tests designed by the people who sell them. These drugs literally only have to publish two positive trials for the FDA to approve them here in the US, no matter how many negative trials are published or done and left unpublished. And that’s infuriating and unethical.

There has never and probably will never be any solid evidence of a biochemical basis for mental illness and the fact that millions of people worldwide have been tricked by malicipus marketing into thinking there is, is sickening and upsetting. Some people seriously need medication in a medical sense. But most use them out of convenience because it is easier to believe you have a biochemical, neurological issue than to look at what’s going on in your life and make necessary changes.

queercommunist, More Ladies, Fuck Money 44 Comments [1/19/2015 4:17:19 AM]
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Quote# 105902

I had never thought about the possibility that the Greek and Hebrew study aids I'd been using for decades were unreliable. I always figured they were the “experts,” making them theologically invincible. The truth is that Satan is a deceiver (John 8:44; 2nd Corinthians 4:4; 11:13-15). Satan's method is always to associate, infiltrate and then dominate. Many of our churches have been infiltrated by occultists and are now dominated by corrupt Bible versions and heretical Greek and Hebrew study aids!

Thank God for the trustworthy King James Bible!!!

As hard as it may be to believe, many of the popular so-called “scholars” are heretics: Strong, Vine, Scott, Thayer, Moulton and Milligan, Kittel, Wuest, Bauer, Danker, Metzger, et cetera. These men are all bad news... corrupted along with the Westcott and Hort Bible butchering crowd. Miss Riplinger details the unholy connection between these reprobates concerning the Christian faith in her book.

On page 1195 Dr. Riplinger summarizes the dangers of using Greek and Hebrew Bible study tools.

They —

Elevate the English words in lexicons by unsaved liberals above the English words in our Holy Bible.
Demote the words of the Holy Bible resulting in a loss of confidence in it.
Establish an elevated priest-class of a few Greek and Hebrew scholars and incite a rebellious anarchism in the pews, where everyman's own interpretation, taken from stacks of software supercedes that in the Holy Bible.
Give false doctrines and the heresies of history (e.g., hell dissolved, women deacons, the end of the 'world' updated to the end of the 'age,' Jesus reduced to a servant, not a Son, et al.).
Bring Christians in contact with pagan and secular interpretations, thoughts, views, heresies, and translations.
Provide a dangerous shortcut which leads Christians to believe that understanding the Bible is a linguistic feat, not a time when they meet with God as they “labour in the word” (1 Tim. 5:17). “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another . . .” (Col. 3:16). This has been replaced by solitary surfing in dangerous tides of software, books and on the web.
Lead to time spent away from the Holy Bible.
SOURCE: Dr. Gail Riplinger, Hazardous Materials: Greek & Hebrew Study Dangers - Introduction, pages 1195-1196.

If you research the matter you will learn, as I did, that Satan's primary attack is against key doctrines concerning Christ; such as, the Lord's deity, the Godhead, worshipping Jesus as God, Christ's preeminence, the plan of salvation and the blood of Jesus in Heaven. This is true of the Greek and Hebrew study aids as much as the modern corrupted Bible versions. They all came from the same occultist-inspired cesspool of iniquity in the late 19th century. By using only the King James Bible, you are bypassing all of the corruption of the past two centuries.

To put the matter another way, beware of anything that men publish of their own accord. The King James Bible is not only our “final authority,” it is the ONLY authority!!! Bless God, I am as narrow minded as the Holy Bible!!! You don't have to understand Greek and Hebrew to understand the English Bible.

Please consider the following quote from Dr. Riplinger concerning the unreliability of the Greek texts themselves...

No One Agrees on Greek Grammar

Should we wait for the latest A+ Greek grammar to spring up like Aphrodite or Apollo from Hades, and solve the confusion? Hardly, since as long as there are different minds seeking to be “as gods,” there will be different opinions. Man's conflicting ideas about tense, aspect, voice, mood, person, number, augment, thematic vowels, reduplication, principle, parts, tense formatives, personal endings, and deponency are as endless as new versions which put them in print. Newer grammars hold no hope as generation X grammarians slide further and further from the ABC's of the KJB (ABC = Always Based on Content).

SOURCE: Dr. Gail Riplinger, Hazardous Materials: Greek & Hebrew Study Dangers - Introduction, page 129.

The serpent (Satan according to Revelation 20:3) deceived Eve in Genesis 3:1-4.

Satan's Three Step Plan:

You question God's Word and plant a seed of doubt in the victim's mind.
Once the seed of doubt is planted, then you tell them, “It's a good book, but it's not perfect.”
After you cause the doubt, then you remove the Bible. Now that God's Word has been removed, man becomes deified and tell them that their feelings are the standard of truth. This is Satan's method and it has worked for thousands of years.
By using the preceding method of deception, the Devil has deified modern Greek and Hebrew so-called “scholars.” May we never elevate men above the precious Lord Jesus Christ and the inspired Words of God (which I believe to be the King James Bible).

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 40 Comments [1/19/2015 4:16:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Pokefrazer

Quote# 105901

[part of an article that claims to prove that one can't be born gay]

As another of the many lines of reasoning showing the absurdity of “born gay,” let’s talk about bisexuality. What is a bisexual? Supposedly, it is someone who is 50 percent straight and 50 percent gay? Can’t someone also be a 60-40 bisexual or any other ratio? We speak of someone who is “straight with gay tendencies” – an 80-20 bisexual.

If a bisexual has a good relationship with one gender and a bad relationship with the other, can’t this “bisexual person” easily go from 50-50 to 40-60? Since we’ve already seen that homosexual ideology says it’s not even possible to determine who is/is not homosexual, it would be absurd to assert that a particular bisexual was born at 63.2 percent gay and must be stuck at that exact level for his entire life. By providing specific legal protection for bisexuals, discrimination laws acknowledge that we are all bisexual because we all have the full capability of going either way.

Also, if people are “born gay,” please explain whether pedophiles were born that way and if not, why is there such an insistence that their behavior must have been learned or chosen, but that of heterosexuals and homosexuals could not have been?

The idea that people can be inherently homosexual only makes sense if you don’t think about it. Homosexuality is about what a person does and not about what a person is.

Philip Irvin, WND 33 Comments [1/19/2015 4:12:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Scolipendra

Quote# 105898

Today's video games are absolutely saturated with lewdness, nudity and sexual indecency. The games are saturated with extreme violence, decapitating your enemy, dealing illegal drugs, raping your victim and showing no mercy on enemies; basically everything that the Bible teaches us NOT to be and do. The Bible tells us plainly in Acts 4:20, “For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.” This is perhaps one of the most overlooked and underestimated Scriptures in the entire Bible concerning human behavior. Again, Acts 4:20, “For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.”

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 45 Comments [1/19/2015 4:03:49 AM]
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Quote# 105897

Sher Zieve of BarbWire says she is on to President Obama’s secret plan to “import” thousands of Muslims into the U.S. by “calling them ‘refugees’” in order to “bring in enough of them to the USA so that they can and will help him overthrow it — they follow Muhammad’s actions to usurp it and begin their own communities segregated from the rest of the people.”

In these American “Shariah Controlled Zones,” according to Zieve, “Non-Muslims had best not enter or they will be stoned…and soon, I suspect, likely worse.”

“We are now fighting for our lives and souls against as malicious and evil an enemy as ever walked the Earth,” Zieve writes. “And, like locusts, Islam does devour and destroy everything it touches.”

"Since its inception–when Muhammad chose the pagan god Ba’al as the god-leader of his new system and named it/him Allah, Islam has been a system of violence and almost unspeakable acts committed against non-believers…or Muslims who don’t practice its ways as the Imams of an area believe they should. Remember that the only time Islam and its Muslim adherents are non-violent is when there aren’t enough of them in an area to overwhelm and overcome the indigenous populations. But, when their populations grows to a certain level, the true barbarism of these people begins to immediately rear its head. We’re seeing it now in large portions of Dearborn, Michigan where Muslims have taken over and will not allow those of another faith to enter their community, let alone live there. When Muslims come into an area–and the Obama syndicate is working 24/7 to bring in enough of them to the USA so that they can and will help him overthrow it–they follow Muhammad’s actions to usurp it and begin their own communities segregated from the rest of the people. They then spread and take over more and more land, forcing out the current residents with acts of violence. In 2013 alone, Obama had over 300,000 Muslims imported and in 2014 he imported at least 70,000 more…calling them “refugees.“ This is what has happened to Dearborn, which is–for all intents and purposes–no longer part of the State of Michigan and certainly not the USA. Police will not protect non-Muslims in this area. There is a list of cities Islamists/Muslims have complied (see video link below and start at the 7 minute mark) of the major cities they plan to take over first. Thus far, there are 30 of them. When Muslims take over an area it is removed from the country and becomes pat [sic] of Islam. Bumper stickers on fences and signs warn those tempted to enter this portion of the country that it is a “Shariah Controlled Zone” and “Islamic Rule [is] Enforced.” Non-Muslims had best not enter or they will be stoned…and soon, I suspect, likely worse. I believe that we have now entered into one of the final phases of this world’s history and that Islam is the Beast. Submission to it is far worse that dying by fighting against it. In the USA, truth is now being touted as “whatever Obama says it is from one day to the next depending on his mood.” We are now fighting for our lives and souls against as malicious and evil an enemy as ever walked the Earth. It’s time we started telling the real truth about it or we will be complicit in its spread. And, like locusts, Islam does devour and destroy everything it touches."

Sher Zieve, Right Wing Watch 27 Comments [1/19/2015 4:03:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Giveitaday

Quote# 105896

What is submission?

There are a lot of misconceptions about submission and submissive people. Before we can intelligently consider what the Bible has to say on the subject of submissive wives we need to clear these misconceptions out of our way. Let me begin with a few simple statements about the nature of submission:

Only a strong person can be submissive.
Submissiveness is not timidity, it is not servility, it is not subservience, it is not docility, it is not degrading, it is not a sign of weakness.
Submission is a sign of strength, not of weakness and a greater degree of submission requires a greater degree of strength of personal character.

Submission is an act of the will — it is the result of a choice, a decision. The act of submission can only come from a choice that a person makes. Submission cannot be enforced upon a person. Either a person submits of their own free will or they do not submit at all. Submission is a gift that one person chooses to give to another person. By contrast oppression is the act of extracting something from a person against their will. Submission and oppression are, therefore, opposite qualities of a relationship and not even remotely similar.

The submission of a good wife is a glorious thing that is intended to help her and her husband to have a contented life together. Problems in life and in marriage are more or less inevitable but when a woman is submissive to her man it is much more likely that those problems can be resolved harmoniously, without unpleasant quarrelling and without bitterness and resentment. Those people who look down on submission as if it were something demeaning, degrading or humiliating are merely showing that they have no understanding of what submission is and that they are quite ignorant of its power.

If you are a Christian wife who has been feeling uncomfortable with the Biblical demand that you submit to your husband then, I hope, these statements have perked up your interest and given you a glimpse of the bright cheerfulness ahead. Being submissive to your husband does not mean, as so many ignorant detractors of submission seem to think, that you should be an empty-headed bimbo, or that you should have no opinions of your own, or that you should be like a doormat.

If you are a Christian husband I hope that you will take care to understand the nature of submission and be careful to understand your responsibilities in response to your wife's submission to you. A submissive wife is not a justification for an abusive husband. God commands men to love their wives with the same kind of love that he [God] gave to his people ... that's a pretty tough assignment to give a mortal man and it doesn't include the possibility of abuse.

Usually when I am asked to comment regarding the submission of wives, I find myself in a debate where somebody is trying to prove from scripture that women do not really have to submit to their husbands or obey them. In this article I will attempt to demonstrate the error in such thinking. The argument is not especially difficult but it does tend to focus on the negative side of life rather a lot and consequently doesn't make submission sound very desirable. So, before I get into the detailed passage-by-passage arguments I would like to try and explain why a wife who is submissive towards her husband is such a glorious and powerful component of an earthly family and of the Christian family at large. The Christian message is, after all, “good news” and hence a reason for delighted cheerfulness and joy, but in these focused theological debates it sometimes seems that the Christian life is all long faces and dour clothes and instructions towards restrictive behaviour.

A submissive wife is one whose heart is inclined towards satisfying her husband and who has made a choice to be led by her husband, to accept his authority and to be his helper in the broad biblical sense of that word. She does not seek to please her husband because she is afraid of his rebuke or rejection or punishment, but because she delights to please him and finds satisfaction in doing so.

For a man, a submissive wife is a pleasure to be around because she helps him to feel peaceful and contented, she is a reliable helper who can be depended upon. He can trust her with his deepest desires and fears because he is not afraid of her scorn or her rejection or her anger. He can relax with her because he knows that even when he makes mistakes, she will be working with him to put them right and minimize the consequences rather than using them to prove a point or as an excuse for rejecting him in some way. A man who has a submissive wife acquires a greater sense of self respect because he knows that she respects his authority in her life and she is not in any way trying to belittle him.

A submissive wife is one who makes a choice not to resist her husband's will. That is not to say that she cannot disagree with him or that she cannot express an opinion. Indeed the submissive wife is, by definition, a strong woman and will usually therefore have her own opinions and these may often be different to the opinions of her husband. Can she express them? Of course she can, and indeed it might often be wrong for her not to express them since she is, after all, supposed to be her husband's helper, not his slave or doormat. Expressing her opinions and giving advice and suggestions will often be a valuable part of the help that she gives her husband.

Let us see how this works in life by using an analogy of a road for life and junctions in the road for each of life's decision points of choices. The married man and woman set off walking along the road of life and at each junction they choose which road to take next. Sooner or later they will arrive at a junction where they each desire to take a different road and hence there is a disagreement:

In the disharmonious family there is a quarrel, there is cajoling or bullying, there is intimidation and bitter words. The quarrel might last for the rest of their lives with neither giving ground and thus they never move on or, finally, either the husband and wife continue along one road together with one of them feeling resentful and both of them feeling bruised and wary of the other, or if they could not even obtain an unpleasant agreement then the marriage might simply fall apart and they separate, each taking a different road. None of these outcomes is pleasant or desirable.

When a submissive woman finds that her wishes conflict with those of her husband she has little or nothing to fear. If her husband is respectful then they will discuss the matter together agreeable, frankly and cheerfully and through the discussion they might reach either a compromise or one of them might change their mind completely and accept the other person's wishes. If this happens then they can then continue along the road they have now agreed upon with no sense of bitterness and without having expressed any angry words. However agreement might not be reached so then what? If they cannot reach agreement then the submissive wife needs only to obey her husband and accept his wishes graciously. Having done this there are now only a few possible outcomes, all of which have positive aspects and none of which is particularly terrible. In the first possible outcome they will take the road the husband selects and, in due course they will discover that they have chosen a good route through life and both will be happy. In the second possible outcome they will take the road the husband selects but, in due course, they discover that it was not such a good choice after all. All they do is turn around, go back to the junction and take a different road; there has been no need for argument, nobody has felt disrespected or belittled and they have not bruised one another. Although the husband's choice turned out to be a bad one, they have discovered the mistake together, discovered it quickly, and swiftly got back onto a better road and, in the process, they have strengthened their bond by having been able to disagree with dignity and mutual respect. They are not stuck in a perpetual argument at the junction, they have not separated and the process of finding a mutually acceptable road has not weakened their marriage.

If the submissive woman has a husband who is not respectful and who is inclined to abuse her gift of submissive then still she has little to fear. The worst possible outcome is that they will travel a bad road together until the next junction. Although the road might be bad it is good to remember the positive aspects of the situation: They have still remained together, they have kept alive the possibility of improving their relationship as they make their way through the troubles of life, they have not wasted time and damaged one another in a bitter quarrel and they are not still standing at the junction locked in argument. They have moved on, and therefore given themselves the hope of another choice later. This, remember, is the worst possible outcome. Even with a selfish husband it is still possible that he will acknowledge that the road is bad and that they will turn back to take another route.

I have mentioned this example of a road journey to try and illustrate that submission can bring real and worthwhile benefits to a marriage. The scripture also indicates that the act of submission by a woman is able to influence a bad man to change his ways but even if he doesn't change, her choice of submission will still allow her to avoid the worst of the possible problems that a bad marriage and husband might bring.


The key text concerning the submission of wives to their husbands

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery -- but I am talking about Christ and the church.

However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Taken from Paul's letter to the congregation at Ephesus, chapter 5, verses 22 to 33.


Submission in the Christian world

Submission of one person to another is described in various forms in the Christian faith. There is the submission of wives to husbands, of slaves to masters, of Christians to one another, of Christians to the ruling authorities, and Christians to God. If my own experience is anything to rely on, then it seems that we Christians do not much like the idea of submission and, if we think about it at all, then we do so on order to reduce its application to our day to day lives. In this document I hope to redress the balance slightly.


We don't really like the idea though ...

In the “Western World” of the twenty-first century, the form of submission that is perhaps most frequently contested is that of wives to husbands. It has been pointed out on several occasions and by various people that the scriptures do not say that wives are to obey their husbands — only that they are to submit to them. Now, each of the clauses in the preceding sentence is true; the problem comes with the word “only” that is used to connect the two clauses. The women (and many men) who want to limit the authority of a husband over his wife are seriously mistaken if they think that a husband can expect less compliance from a submissive wife than from an obedient one; the truth is quite the reverse. Obedience is easy. Submission is hard. Obedience demands little. Submission demands much. It is not possible for a wife to submit to her husband without also being prepared to obey him; a submissive wife is also an obedient wife.


The meanings of the words "submit" and "obey"

If I obey then I do what those who have authority over me tell me to do. There must be an explicit command given before I can obey it and consequently if no command is given then it is not possible for me to be either obedient or disobedient. Obedience does not of itself require me to be cheerful, willing, co-operative or contented. I can be surly, rude, bitter and unhelpful and still be obedient. I do not have to be willing to be merely obedient because mere obedience can be forced upon me. For these reasons, obedience is easy when compared to full submission.

In order to submit to a person who has authority over me, I do not need to wait for an explicit command but instead I can attempt to anticipate the commands and thus avoid the need for them to be given. Anticipating the commands does not mean that I can substitute my own agenda or my own will but rather that I am trying to imagine what the person in authority will want me to do next; I am trying to make my will conform to theirs. Attempting to anticipate the commands does not allow me to disobey any command that has been explicitly given — those I am still required to obey. If I am to be truly submissive I must also learn to be contented, cheerful, willing and co-operative even if I do not like doing what is required of me. Finally submission is a choice that I must continuously make. It can be seen therefore that submission is far more demanding than merely obedience and requires much more of me than does mere obedience.

It is also worth repeating that submission is NEVER enforced upon a person. Submission is the opposite of oppression. In fact submission is a gift that one person gives to another. In a marriage, submission is the wife's gift to her husband. If the husband is wise he will treasure that gift and handle it very carefully because his own happiness depends on it. Submission is a gift that must be renewed each day or even each moment.


Trying to wriggle out of the obligation to obey

It has been claimed that a wife need only obey her husband when her husband's will conforms to the will of God and that is right for a wife to disobey her husband when what he commands is wrong. At first sight this argument seems to be very reasonable but unfortunately it leads into chaos and emptiness and also leaves the wives in a very cruel “no-win” situation. It is true that all husbands are fallen and sinful and it follows that they will make mistakes and that they might desire and command what they ought not desire and command. It is also true, but more frequently overlooked, that all wives are fallen and sinful and it follows that they will make mistakes and that they might desire what they ought not desire. God knew both of these facts when he arranged for scripture to be written and yet he still gave wives the instruction to submit to their husbands. He knew that husbands would wield the authority that he gave them imperfectly and he knew that wives would respond to that authority imperfectly. It is a terrible wrong for husbands to abuse their authority but it is no less terribly wrong for wives to reject or usurp their husband's authority.

Some of the people who claim that wives have the right to selectively submit to their husbands have put much emphasis on three New Testament passages - Acts 5:1-10, Acts 4:19 (and a similar passage in Acts 5:29) and Ephesians 5:21. It is worth looking at these to see what they add to the debate.

[unnamed], Reason 4 Living 27 Comments [1/19/2015 4:03:19 AM]
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Quote# 105892



By ballot, legislature and/or brute force. It must be done.

Disciples of the New Dawn, Facebook comments 49 Comments [1/18/2015 5:43:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Izzet Scientist

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I see Islam as a world cancer. "Peaceful" Muslims or not, I've read enough of their "holy book" to know that their "god" requires them to kill and carry out vengence for him.

My God?

"14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." - Romans 12

It never ceases to amaze me that the liberal world is now embracing and comforting "peaceful" Muslims while Christians are mocked and scoffed at.

Oh well, it cannot, will not stop me from following my Lord, who is coming soon to finish this world.

gooseberry, Rapture Ready 30 Comments [1/18/2015 5:41:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

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[This is my best transcript of what was said, but you really need to see how *proud* this guy is of what he says, to experience the horror for yourself.]

There was a young man in Calgary, uh, his name was Ben. And I was running [?] I was there for a few years, and um, he was just - he was a nice kid, but he was one of those kids that was always just...is a real smart-aleck. Was just...was, was a bright kid, which didn't help things, right, made him more dangerous. And we were outside one day, youth group, and uh, he was just, just trying to push my buttons, and he was just, you know, kinda not taking the Lord serious. And I walked over to him and I went {punch motion} BAM! I punched him in the chest as hard as - I crumpled the kid. I just crumpled him. And I said...I leaned over and I said "Ben, when are you going to stop playing games with God?" I led that man to the Lord right there. There's times that that might be needed!

Pastor Eric Dammann, Youtube 47 Comments [1/18/2015 5:41:35 AM]
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Submitted By: faefantasia

Quote# 105888

Still today, men blame God for their evil deeds. There is much talk these days from the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community about a gay God Who creates homosexuals by birth. Since they claim God made them that way, they believe they should rejoice and fulfill the image of their gay god by committing sodomy with the same sex.

I heard a 25 year old porn superstar say on the news that since Adam and Eve were totally naked in Eden, she knew that God approved of nakedness. What she failed to mention is that Adam and Eve were the only two people alive at the time. Do you see how mankind attempts to justify their sins? This is how the evil human heart functions, deceitful above all else, who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9). Thus, feminists and homosexuals are demanding a gender-inclusive Bible to make effeminate men and masculine women feel at home with the Word of God.

First the Communists and God-haters realized that they'd never be able to overthrow our nation unless they removed the Bible and prayer from children's lives, so in 1963 they banned the Word of God and prayer from being led by the teacher in all public schools. Then then brought wicked Rock 'N' Roll (the British Invasion) to sexual corrupt our nation's youth and lead them into Satan worship and idolatry of rock stars, which succeeded and consequently led to millions of unwanted pregnancies and the passing of Roe Vs. Wade in 1973, thus legalizing abortion nationwide. Today, the nation's youth commonly flash Diablo hand signs showing allegiance to Satan.

The deliberate moral subversion of the United States by the global financiers—the criminal architects of the New World Order—the elite international banking cartel (who have financed both sides of every major war conflict for the past two centuries) has succeeded. They've deliberately dumbed-down the public. They've targeted America for destruction. Our economy is about to implode. 3,5 million Americans are now homeless. 18.5 million homes are vacant, foreclosed by the banks. Millions of Americans walked away from their homes, because they owed far more in interest to the bank than the home was actually worth. Deliberate open borders, deliberate CIA illegal drug-trafficking into the U.S., deliberate theft of trillions of taxpayer dollars by Wall Street executives... this is just the beginning of judgment!

The problem is that people don't care! They don't care because they're not right with God. The Bible gives men convictions. Being a born-again Christian puts the Spirit of God into a man! Americans are devoid of truth, God and righteousness. Instead, people are saturated with TV, sports and entertainment. No wonder we are so weak and vulnerable as a nation, as sitting ducks in the hunter's rifle sight.

We don't need another Bible for modern times. We don't need a gender-inclusive Bible. God wrote the Bible as He meant it to be. A godly woman understands that God has ordained husbands to head their homes and marriages. Men are to lead the church. It is sinful for women to usurp authority over men. Hollywood caters to feminist and lesbian agendas—showing women leading armies, being in charge of everything, punching out a group of men. In reality, women could NEVER do what they do in the movies. It is a false reality that brainwashes young girls to become feminists, and their lives end up ruined as a result. Satan paints a rosy picture to young women, convincing them that killing their baby, shacking-up, and pursuing a career is a magical life. In reality, feminists one day realize that Satan stole their happiness, killed their babies and destroyed their marriage. Satan is a liar, thief and murderer (John 10:10).

The new NIV 2011 (New International Version 2011) has been released online, now on it's way to Zondervan publishers to become toilet paper. And if you love the Lord Jesus Christ that's what you'll do with the NIV 2011.

The word “men” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 2416 times, and 806 in the New Testament. That's 3222 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “men.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “men” 1027 times in their entire Bible. Pretty sad huh?

The word “man” appears in the King James Bible's Old Testament 3105 times, and 1433 in the New Testament. That's 4538 times that the King James Bible mentions the word “man.” But in the feminist perversion of the NIV 2011, you'll only find the word “man” 1989 times in their entire Bible.

It's a feminist's dream come true! The NIV 2011 attacks the masculine authority of God, the ruling husband, and the authoritative preacher. There is no room for gender equality in Biblical Christianity when it comes to AUTHORITY.

The sad truth is that America has been overrun by feminists. Here's a couple quotes by infamous feminists:

“In my heart, I think a woman has two choices: either she's a feminist or a masochist.” —Gloria Steinem

“There never will be complete equality until women themselves help to make laws and elect lawmakers.” —Susan B. Anthony


That is the Devil talking ladies. Eve didn't like her restrictions either, so she bought into the Devil's lie of being “as gods” (Genesis 3:5). Feminists are placing themselves equal with God when they go against the Scriptures.

Feminists seek equality with authority, just as Lucifer, who said in Isaiah 14:14, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH.” Feminists want equality of authority like Lucifer. It is evil. The Bible teaches that a husband is to “rule over” his wife (Genesis 3:16), and women are to “be in silence” publicly in the presence of men as evidence of their obedience to their husband (1st Timothy 2:12).

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God is NOT into the gender-inclusive feminist/homosexual agenda of our time. It is wickedness in the sight of God. Read Proverb 14:2, “He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him.” Feminists and homosexuals absolutely despise the masculine King James Bible, viewing it as the bigot's Bible. No, it is God's holy Word, every Word of it! Romans 1:25 warned us that the wicked would change God's Word into a lie, “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 29 Comments [1/18/2015 5:41:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Skyknight

Quote# 105881

So much lying in the above statement, it could only come from a kosher source.

Those so-called "creative minorities" have only ever been good at destruction -- both by ideologically maligning traditional Western culture and by replacing it with repellently ugly, Marxist-feminist-deconstructionist modern art, modern architecture, modern books, etc. -- art that no one can stand, and that only succeeds because the "Chosen" have a stranglehold on the media and get to decide what is approved and what is not.

At the same time, their media hegemony has created a de facto ban on the creation of works of timeless beauty and barred many potential artists from ever creating works in line with the European tradition.

The only reason Europe no longer dominates world culture is due to Judaic media control, and that only exists because, in the war between Judea and Germany (remember? "Judea declares war on Germany"), Germany lost -- after Judea sicced the rest of the world on it.

And of course, Judea never signed any armistice with Germany after the war. Judea is still at war with Germany (or more precisely, with traditional Germanic and Germano-Christian values, both cultural and moral).

Recognizing the face and tactics of the enemy, a process to which the original post in this thread contributes, is the first step towards Europe's restoration of, first, self-determination in its own culture, and second, a renewed dissemination of that then-liberated culture around the globe.

Karsten, Vox Popoli 22 Comments [1/18/2015 5:12:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Yama the Space Fish

Quote# 105878

The church--dubbed Genesis 2--focuses on proselytizing use of [Jim] Humble’s bleach solution, initially called Miracle Mineral Solution but now dubbed MMS. The Genesis 2 church “ordains” people at different levels of the church hierarchy, including as “ministers of health.” And it seems that in the last year or so, Humble has joined forces with two other people in this “church” to target the autism community, hawking this bleach solution as a cure for autism. Joining Archbishop Humble (I’m not making that up) in his goal to bleach the insides and outsides of autistic children everywhere are Bishop Kerri Rivera (a DAN! adherent, as well) and sidekick the Reverend Doctor Janet Henshaw-Hedlund, featured here in a video with Humble. The three have held a workshop in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico where the threesome provide direction to “treat” autistic children by having them ingest bleach to the point of vomiting and diarrhea, if not worse.

You can read about the claims they make about their solution at Science-Based Medicine, where Orac has taken apart a presentation that Bishop Rivera herself made at AutismOne 2012. Introduced by a woman wearing an “MMS Rocks!” t-shirt, Rivera gave her misleading, anti-scientific, bleach-shilling talk (video here; viewer beware) to what appeared to be a room that contained not a single dissenter, not one person who stood up to ask, “Really? You’re recommending that we use a bleach solution as an enema in autistic children? As a bath? As an oral ‘treatment’?”

You read that correctly. Bleach enemas to cure autism. The protocols the members of this trio recommend for the MMS treatment are just… traumatizing even to read. One calls for a “treatment” every two hours for 72 hours, “every possible weekend.” Humble writes of overcoming the “nausea barrier” to up the dosage. Evidently, a “therapy” that induces nausea and vomiting and fever and diarrhea is a “good” thing. And if you make up a “baby bottle” of it, that makes it seem even more innocuous--or insidious, depending on your perspective.

Any child who is subjected to this abusive and torturous treatment would find it more than insidious. Orac quotes a parent who writes about her non-speaking autistic teen that the boy can’t tell her how he feels as she doses him with the bleach solution. He vomits and has diarrhea “all day”; she writes that he generally has a “sensitive” gut. Another mother set up a blog to describe trying MMS on both her autistic son and herself, a sufferer of rheumatoid arthritis. It’s heartbreaking but also enraging to read her posts as they reveal more than she seems to see: Her son develops a sudden extreme fear of the bathtub, and she can’t seem to understand why, even though six days earlier, she wrote that they were about to try an “MMS bath” (i.e., a bleach solution bath; PDF of Humble’s protocol for that here) on him. Then suddenly, the blog ends with, “I cannot continue this blog. Sorry.”

Jim Humble, Thinking Person's Guide to Autism 33 Comments [1/18/2015 5:12:15 AM]
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Submitted By: OhJohnNo

Quote# 105876

At the Pierre de Geyter Middle School in St. Denis, a largely Muslim suburb north of Paris, Iannis Roder has taught history for the past 15 years. He says the day after the killings at the magazine, the school staff knew it would have problems.

"Our pupils — a minority — didn't want to do the minute of silence because they thought that Charlie Hebdo was a newspaper that didn't have the right to make these caricatures," says Roder.

Iannis Roder is a history teacher in the largely Muslim suburb of St. Denis, north of Paris. He said some of his students considered the Charlie Hebdo cartoons to be blasphemy and believed that Islam took precedence over French law.


Roder says the students called it blasphemy and he had to explain that blasphemy is a religious concept that doesn't exist in French law.

"That was very difficult to explain because their point of view, their lives, are very religious. And they are convinced that the religion is above the law of the French Republic," he says.

Roder says nearly all the students thought the killings were wrong, but purely for religious reasons. He says he finds that worrisome.


various french students, NPR.com 16 Comments [1/18/2015 4:51:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 105875

In the recent 2014 Hollywood movie titled, “Exodus: God's And Kings,” the actor Christian Bale (aka, Batman) stars as Moses. In the movie Christian Bale is shown chiseling the Ten Commandments into stone with his own hands. This is blasphemy!!! The Holy Bible tells us that God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger. Moses had no part in writing the Ten Commandments. Deuteronomy 9:10, “And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.” The sinful world rejects the Holy Bible as being inspired by God. They don't believe that the Bible came from God. They don't believe that God is the divine author!!! They are fools! God used about forty different holy men to pen the Scriptures, who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, but God is the sole Author! God only wrote ONE BOOK!!!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious.org 27 Comments [1/18/2015 4:47:08 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 105872

A father in Tudun Rubudi of Ungogo local government, Kano State has given his 13-year-old daughter to one of the four men who allegedly gang-raped her.
Usaini Ja’afar alongside Sani Isa, Jamilu Sani and Isa Musa were all arrested in December 2014 by Kano State Hisbah Board’s Dala Command after they were all found naked at an uncompleted building shortly after they had raped the 13-year-old girl.

According to Hisbah officials, three of the suspects confessed that they had raped the girl who was lured to the uncompleted building. During interrogations, one of the rapists, Usiani Ja’afar pleaded to marry the girl, begging her father to give his blessings.
The father, Malam Ya’u, a mechanic, spoke to Weekly Trust and revealed that he was at his garage working when Hisbah officials came with the news that his daughter had been raped.

Malam Ya’u said he wanted all of them to be tried and sent to jail for their crimes but had to change his stance after all of them showed remorse for the crime and one even pleading to marry the 13-year-old girl. “When all of them showed remorse, especially the one pleading to marry her, Ja’afar, I decided to temper justice with mercy,” the rape victim’s father told Weekly Trust.

According to Malam Yau, Usaini indicated his seriousness of marrying his daughter by carrying out the customary tradition of coming with his family to formally ask the hand of the girl in marriage. “He came with his uncle, who it turned out I already knew and had a cordial relationship with. So I accepted the request and will marry her off to him. In fact, the date for the wedding has been fixed since. I decided to allow him marry the girl because our consultations with our Malams (Islamic clerics) showed that there is nothing wrong about that,” Malam Ya’u said.

The forgiving father said he considered Ja’afar appeal because of the numerous plea he got from Usiani and his uncles. He also revealed that his daughter had undergone medical tests and result showed that she is okay.

According to Weekly Trust, a Kano-based Islamic scholar, Sheikh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge, said that the Islam religion allows for a rape victim to marry the man who raped her provided certain conditions are met. “First, the girl has to observe Istibira’i, a month period to ensure absence of pregnancy. The girl should not also be among those prohibited for the rapist. Provided those conditions are met, marriage can take place with the consent of the girl and her parents,” Shiekh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge said.

Malam Ya’u & Sheikh Fadlu Dan Almajiri Fagge, Pulse.ng 39 Comments [1/17/2015 4:04:37 AM]
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