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Quote# 114003

Well, if you knew anything about Jesus, you would know what you do leaves no possibility for anyone to be proud of you. Pride has no part in Christianity. But what would you a teenager know about Christianity. You just had your BACKSIDE spanked and your face is as red as you bum.

Sassy, Religion and Ethics 11 Comments [10/30/2015 2:51:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 113995

Satan's latest attempt to corrupt the Bible is simply to allow the public to write their own Bible. Conservapedia is a project by Wikipedia's to allegedly provide an accurate modern translation of the Bible. It's called the Conservative Bible Project, and there are numerous ground rules laid out for the translation process.

I took a look at the portions of the Bible which they've already completed and it's already a mess. Most Scriptures have not been translated yet. Here's John 3:16 from the Conservapedia version of the Bible...

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that who believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

SOURCE: Conservative Bible - Conservapedia

Just as other modern perversions of the Scriptures, the Conservapedia version completely removes the word “begotten” from John 3:16, falsely teaching that God gave His one and only Son. That is NOT what the King James Version (KJV), the only reliable English Bible, teaches...

"God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life." (Conservapedia)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (KJV)

John 1:12 says that “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” So every born-again believer is also a son of God; but Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. To say that God gave His one and only Son is a lie and heresy. God has many sons; but only one begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

It is a mighty dangerous thing to allow the public to translate their own Bible. Despite the request for Bible scholars to work on the project, anyone is allowed to contribute their work, which can only lead to unscholarly and unreliable work. The King James Bible was translated by 52 brilliant scholars, many who fluently mastered the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic languages.

Wikipedia is good in it's proper place, but when they mess with God's Word, they are treading on holy ground. We don't need another Bible today. The King James Bible is perfect as it. It's actually impossible to translate the Bible in today's inferior English, because you need those THEE's and THOU's.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 53 Comments [10/30/2015 3:10:48 AM]
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Quote# 113994

Nazis are commies and commies are progressives.

If you are a Nazi, you think that the rot set in around 1930-1950. If you are a progressive, you think the rot has not set in yet.

So if you are a Nazi, you pretty much want the New Deal, or the New Deal on steroids. Nazis are leftists who have been left behind by the movement ever leftwards.

If you are a Nazi, you think leftism is fine except for Freudian Theory, second wave Feminism, race denialism, and the Frankfurt School’s Cultural Marxism, all of which can be plausibly blamed on Jews.

But when the Supremes hypocritically endorsed “separate but equal”, that was race denialism, with a touch of hypocrisy to make it actually workable.

The Jewish problem is that Jewish conversos to progressivism failed to pick up on the hypocrisy, and started demanding that people actually live according the moral standards that everyone piously endorsed around 1820 or so.

The rot did not set in with cultural Marxism. The rot set in with “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”. There is your race denialism right there.

As for feminism and the destruction of marriage, the attempted divorce of Queen Caroline in 1820 established the moral principle that women are so naturally pure and virtuous, that it is mere cruelty to enforce the marriage contract on women, it should only be enforced on the naturally wicked and despicable sex, men.

If you want to get out of the trap, say after me: “All men were not created equal, some should command some should obey, some should not merely obey, but are naturally slaves, and should not be allowed to make their own decisions. If found wandering loose causing problems, should be placed under the control of an owner. Women’s sexual choices are apt to be dangerous to society and to themselves, thus fertile age women should always be controlled by husbands or fathers. A women not subject to a man is suffering misfortune, as for example an orphan or widow, or is wicked and needs punishment, as for example a harlot.”

As soon as you denounce the declaration of independence and the emancipation of women the logical case the Jews are a big problem collapses. And the emotional case for hating Jews is the same as that of any market dominant minority, envy and covetousness, which is also at the root of declaration of independence and the emancipation of women.

Getting rid of the Jews will not help you. The problem is inside your head. They are not emitting evil mind control rays at you. You have been emitting evil mind control rays at them. Umpteenth wave feminism is the logical consequence of the failure to divorce Queen Caroline.

Jim, Jim's Blog 42 Comments [10/30/2015 3:10:35 AM]
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Quote# 113992

Philosophically speaking, God is the only true reality—He is the only thing that exists without being created by someone else. Once we discover this fact, it is ludicrous for us to go on behaving as if this world and the people in it are more important than He is. Nothing can even come close to competing with His great significance. As the Creator of all things, His opinion is obviously of supreme importance, His judgment is clearly the final say on any matter, and what He wants should be the central focus of our lives.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 20 Comments [10/30/2015 3:10:22 AM]
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Quote# 113990

The end times are at the door, and when they begin, we are going to see God do something that He’s never done before. He’s going to raise up a human prophet to perform many terrifying miracles. This prophet will become a global figure. We’ve never seen God do this sort of thing before. Certainly Moses was big stuff in his day, but Moses’ realm of influence was extremely limited. Jesus was certainly an epic Figure, but He didn’t range beyond the borders of Israel, and that is a very tiny patch of land. Jesus has become world famous now, but He wasn’t even close to getting global coverage when He was walking about in human form. Yet God’s end time prophet will be unique in that the entire globe will be talking about, filming, watching, and obsessing over this person. Will the prophet be a man or a woman? We’ll have to wait to find out. A man would be expected, but then again, God loves to surprise us and the end times will be packed with surprises. For now, let’s assume it will be a man. The question now becomes, why on earth would a God who is so jealous for glory want to work through a prophet instead of just doing things directly? Hasn’t God noticed by now that we humans are quick to worship anyone who we associate with supernatural powers? As God’s end time prophet goes around toppling skyscrapers, leveling cities, killing people, and altering the weather, how is he not going to end up having the whole world falling down at his feet? Surely God wants to be exalted, not replaced, so what’s with all this drama about a prophet?

To put God’s end time prophet in perspective, we need to start by owning up to the fact that both the saved and the unsaved spend far too much time trying to downplay God’s involvement in our lives. What we’re calling the end times is a period of global chaos which will drag out for many years. The point of this period is to drive souls to God. To aid that process, God has come up with a way to force us to start fixating on the question of who.

Right now when a storm ravages a coastline, we’re content to just talk about pressure systems and focus on various satellite images while we act like the whole event is just physical mechanics. But what if we could all see footage of some guy who appeared to be manipulating the elements? What if clouds moved in when he waved them on and stopped when he halted them? What if lightning struck the moment he snapped his fingers and it hit the ground exactly where he was pointing? Suddenly our discussion of the storm would acquire a very different focus, wouldn’t it? Suddenly we’d be acutely interested in the subject of who. Who is this stranger with the hostile look on his face who seems to be able to control the weather? Why is he causing the storm? What does he want? Where did he get such power? Can he be stopped? Can he be contained? Before the human stepped into view, God was creating the storm, and we were totally blowing off the concept that there was a purposeful will at work behind those driving winds. But now that God has set a human down in the midst of His storm, suddenly we’re all forced to recognize that this storm is more than just a series of random phenomena. Well of course it is, because nothing happens at random in this world. But we refuse to acknowledge this until God forces us to recognize some being at work. This is the main purpose of God’s end time prophet: to break us all out of our ridiculous denial about God’s involvement in our lives. Will it work? Of course it will.

Now the idea of a human with supernatural powers is utterly absurd. Even the most rebellious among us will reject the notion that this end time prophet is acting entirely on his own. After all, he’s just another one of us, and we know that we are very limited beings. So obviously this prophet has managed to get connected with some kind of supernatural being. Once again, we will obsess over the question of who. See how effective God’s methods are?

But what about the problem of idolatry? Surely God doesn’t want His prophet becoming some kind of glory hog. He certainly does not, but He also knows how to prevent this from happening. Naturally some people will try to suck up to the prophet at first, but when they receive a brutal response, they’ll quickly abandon all hopes of trying to win this person’s favor. God’s prophet will not be globally admired, but globally hated. Even though he will be serving God faithfully, the Church will go to war against him, and be just as hostile to him as the Pharisees were towards Jesus. The important point for you in all of this is to understand that God knows how to get His agenda done without compromising His standards. God is not about to encourage us all to idolize some mere mortal, and it’s important that you keep a grip on the fact that God’s end time prophet is not going to be controlling God in any way. God does not take orders from us—ever. Happily, God’s prophet is going to be sincerely devoted to God in his own heart, which means he’s not going to be some pompous windbag who goes around flaunting his Divine connections. While we will see God miraculously protecting this person, we’ll also see God arranging for His prophet to get publicly pounded. The prophet will not be untouchable, but he will be unstoppable. Though the world will try to kill this person time and again, they won’t be able to succeed. Even when it seems certain that the prophet has died, he will only show up again somewhere else.

So why is God telling us about this person in advance? Because it’s new. It’s different. And a little heads up gives us all time to seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance on this issue. If we’re wise, we’ll be asking God to help us honor Him during the end times. Since this period is rapidly approaching, now is the time to give serious thought as to what kinds of attitudes please God. We don’t want to be stupid about this prophet business by confusing the instrument with God Himself. Moses didn’t part the Red Sea with a wooden stick. Yahweh parted the sea. The only purpose in having Moses hold his hands in the air was to make it very clear to the Israelites that a purposeful will was at work. Did Yahweh really need Moses to toss a handful of ashes into the air before He could begin the plague of boils on Egypt? Did Jesus really need to put His hands on people in order to heal them? Not hardly. Our Gods are infinitely powerful, so let’s not insult Them by suggesting that They ever need our help to get things done. Our Gods do not share Their power with anyone, so when we see Them performing miracles through someone, we need to realize that the human is nothing more than an attention getting device.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 15 Comments [10/30/2015 3:10:16 AM]
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Quote# 113988

I've been going back and forth over an important issue of our time and would like to know your thoughts. If the Muslims start to take over America, and are about to rape my daughter and cut my grandson in half, can we kill them? I'm torn between "turning the other cheek" and "love our enemies" with Luke 22:36: Then He said to them (the disciples), "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

I know many Christians who are arming themselves but not sure how God really feels about this. Comments please?

Patreesha, Rapture Ready 28 Comments [10/29/2015 2:13:01 PM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 113979

Remember, when the fighting begins to retake America, those who created the problem need to be pursued and skinned alive.
That applies to everyone from the Prez on down. None escape because in the coming war my rules of engagement are very simple. No Prisoners. Period.
The Jews, they say Never Again. Well, so too for the very few remaining Americans, Never Again will we depend on government to keep society safe and within the limits of the American values system. The people of society MUST take these matters into their own hands because these matters are too important to rely on government.
Keep your powder dry and don't hesitate to get rid of cancer. It kills the body of society.

AmericanRevolutionSon, WND 31 Comments [10/29/2015 3:06:37 AM]
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Quote# 113975

SATANIC OBAMA - THE MAN WHO WANTS WORLD WAR THREE. Iran thinks America is the Great Satan. While America was founded on Torah-derived Judeo-Christian values, it has strayed from them in electing a President whose values are Satanic. Figure 2 shows that SATANIC OBAMA is encoded with HOMO and SPIRITUALLY UNCLEAN.

Figure 2 - SATANIC OBAMA is encoded with HOMO and SPIRITUALLY UNCLEAN.


Barry Roffman, Ark Code 51 Comments [10/29/2015 3:01:56 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 113974

Canada is finished.

Trudeau is the epitome of a mangina, 100% the complete opposite of Vladimir Putin. Even his voice sounds gay. Some even speculate he actually is gay.

With him at the helm, Canada will quickly become just like Ontario: a Marxist paradise with insurmountable debt.

Legalized marijuana, full abortion rights, higher taxes, the list is endless.

O Canada!


wisdom seeker, The Return of Kings 37 Comments [10/29/2015 3:01:52 AM]
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Quote# 113973

Moscow (AFP) - Two senior Russian Communist MPs on Friday presented a draft bill calling for people who come out as gay to serve up to 15 days behind bars.

Ivan Nikitchuk and Nikolai Arefyev are proposing a fine of up to 5,000 rubles ($80) for people who publicly say they are gay.

Those who come out in educational institutions or government offices should serve up to 15 days in police cells, they say.

Homophobia is still widespread in Russia, with 37 percent telling the Levada independent polling agency in May that homosexuality is an illness, and 18 percent saying it should be punished by law.

The MPs told the pro-Kremlin newspaper Izvestia they came up with the measure because a hugely controversial ban on "gay propaganda" to minors signed into law by President Vladimir Putin in 2013 was not proving effective.

But the proposal appeared extreme even for Russia and was not expected to get passed by parliament.

Even Saint Petersburg lawmaker Vitaly Milonov, who is among the strongest backers of the existing gay propaganda law, questioned the need for new measures.

"We can't sentence people to 15 days just for admitting (their sexual orientation)," Milonov told AFP.

"Of course if it's propaganda, that's a different matter."

The Communist lawmakers said they plan to submit the bill to parliament later Friday.

Nikitchuk, the 71-year-old deputy head of the parliament's natural resources committee, said the bill would only apply to gay men.

"We think women are more reasonable people and more able to manage their emotions," Nikitchuk told the Russkaya Sluzhba Novostei radio station.

"So far, we're not touching women."

"Lesbians, the threat has lifted, you can reveal yourselves," opposition politician Alexei Navalny joked on Twitter.

The proposed legislation prompted criticism both from supporters and opponents of gay rights.

"Chewing over this topic of homosexuality is a breach of ethical norms. I'm sure the draft won't get through parliament," pro-Kremlin United Russia party senator Alexei Alexandrov told RIA Novosti.

"Those interested in this topic are going too far. I would advise them -- both homosexuals and homophobes -- to leave it in peace."

In the USSR "this topic was closed, it was not discussed" by Communists, he added.

Writing on the website Gay.ru, one commentator, Yana, said: "They just keep tightening the screws ... Soon we'll all be obliged to form traditional families and procreate.

"Those who refuse will be sent to fell timber," she added, referring to prison camps.

Under the Soviet Union, homosexuality was a criminal offence punishable by prison.

Ivan Nikitchuk and Nikolai Arefyev, Yahoo News via AFP 18 Comments [10/29/2015 3:01:31 AM]
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Quote# 113971

Is America at least one of the places deserving of the name Babylon? This is not for me to judge. But I will say this much: our nation was founded on belief in a Creator and in a set of Judeo-Christian values. These values have been trashed by our leaders in recent years, with Obama being at the forefront of the charge to legitimize sodomy, and persecute those (especially in the military) who cannot accept his (lack of) values. I am disturbed by the fact that so many of my fellow American Jews have forsaken Torah, and their Biblical charge to be a light unto the nations. As a Jew living in the south, I am even more upset that there are so few legitimate Orthodox synagogues to attend. Often what is listed as a synagogue is in fact a Christian Church, posing as a “Messianic synagogue.” Worse, some synagogues associated with Chabad organizations pose as Orthodox synagogues, but in fact are too like churches except that they substitute the deceased Rabbi Schneerson for Jesus as Messiah. We do not need a new religion that mimics Christianity. Rather, America can reemerge from its spiritual abyss by having Jews and Christian churches support true Orthodox synagogues. Together, and without the hidden goal of converting Jews to Christianity, Christians and real Torah-observant Jews should lead America back to the values that led to the founding of our Republic. It was a Jew (Haym Solomon) who financed the American Continental Army. Let’s work together to give him his money’s worth – a righteous nation that's impossible to associate with Babylon.

Barry Roffman, Ark Code 15 Comments [10/29/2015 3:01:06 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 113968



Here's Why Pat Robertson Insists That Gay Marriage Is Still Illegal

"Your state legislature didn’t pass a law. So you’re not under anything."

Curtis M. Wong
Gay Voices Senior Editor, The Huffington Post

Posted: 10/26/2015 03:52 PM EDT

It's already been four months since the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage, yet Pat Robertson just can't seem to move on.

The conservative televangelist once again slammed the court's decision in an installment of "The 700 Club" on Monday, telling a viewer that the ruling was only an opinion and therefore not legally sound, Right Wing Watch reports.

"Congress didn’t pass any law," he said. "Your state legislature didn’t pass a law. So you’re not under anything. It’s a decision of the court having to do with a couple of people. Now they would like to make it bigger than that but, in terms of the Constitution, it isn’t."

Robertson, of course, has previously been critical of the ruling. Earlier this year, he argued that the Supreme Court had used "faulty sociological grounds" in coming to their decision, and suggested polygamy and bestiality weren't far behind.

"Watch what happens, love affairs between men and animals are going to be absolutely permitted," he said in July. "Polygamy, without question, is going to be permitted, and it will be called a right."

Eh, thanks for the detailed analysis, Pat. When it comes to spouting homophobia, you may be a force to be reckoned with, but you are not (and hopefully never will be) a lawmaker.

Pat Robertson, Huffington Post 21 Comments [10/28/2015 5:49:15 PM]
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Submitted By: KingOfRhye

Quote# 113966

PA Supreme Court candidate suggested lesbians provoke men into shooting them by ‘fondling each other’

A Republican lawyer’s candidacy for the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is under scrutiny after an examination of his record showed that he promoted a “gay-panic defense” in the case of a man who shot two lesbians.

The Philadelphia Daily News reported on Monday the state Supreme Court candidate Mike George’s defense of Stephen Roy Carr suggested that the two lesbians “might’ve brought the shooting on themselves.”

After Carr killed 28-year-old Rebecca Wight and shot her girlfriend, Claudia Brenner, in 1988, George set out to “get the local folks talking more about the lesbianism than the murder.”

“That’s why we had to get all the steamy facts of what had happened up on South Mountain out before the public. Sort of let what happened simmer in the public’s imagination,” the attorney later told Harold Pohlman, the author of the book The Whole Truth? A Case of Murder on the Appalachian Trail.

“That meant a full story as to how many times the women were naked and how many times they engaged in lesbian sex. I wanted the graphic details. All of them,” George said. “I wanted it to look like these two women were bold with their lesbianism. That they didn’t hide their lesbianism from anybody, including my client.”

“The more sexually reckless the women appeared, the better for Carr… The one thing that I could not get out of my mind was that the local people did not think much of homosexuals.”

Following Carr’s conviction on a first-degree murder charge, George claimed in a court motion that the two women had provoked his client because they “partook in oral sex” and “put on what the defendant perceived to be a show.”

Roy Keefer, who was serving as District Attorney at the time, accused George of “nothing more than a ruse in order to slander the victims.”

But Keefer told the Philadelphia Daily News that he didn’t have “any qualms” about voting for George because attorneys had a responsibility to provide a robust defense for their clients.

“I can understand why Claudia has her feelings and I certainly don’t minimize those, but I’ve seen a whole lot more than that one case,” Keefer explained.

Equality Pennsylvania Executive Director Ted Martin pointed out that George would be in a position to rule on nondiscrimination legislation if he were elected to the state’s highest court.

“He’s proven in the past that he is willing to use questionable and very negative tactics that revolve around a person’s sexual orientation to make his case, and I think that’s wrong,” Martin observed. “It calls into question his ability to be fair and really understand all the sides.”

“Frankly, what Michael George did to Claudia Brenner is repulsive.”

The American Bar Association has called on states to ban the use of the “gay-panic defense.” California became the first state to do so in 2014.

Mike George, Raw Story 24 Comments [10/28/2015 5:48:55 PM]
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Submitted By: KingOfRhye

Quote# 113963

The doctor was insane.

You have seen his kind in bloody, horror movies.

He was Dr. Jack Kervorkian, known as "Dr. Death" or "The Ghoul" who escorted terminal patients through the doors of death.

Kervorkian said, "vast numbers of people are alive who would rather be dead, who have lives not worth living." This is frightening because these exact words, "lives not worth living," were the exact words the Nazi used to murder children and adults who were mentally deficient.

He can be compared to the Nazi concentration death camp "doctor" Josef Mengele who was not interested in questions of "care," and cared nothing for actually "counseling" those who came to him.

[...]

The Germans themselves became frightened when their soldier husbands and sons came back with bad injuries that left them in a state of "lives not worth living."

Who decides?

The Nazi doctors did.

They still do.

Thom McCann, Aish.com 30 Comments [10/28/2015 5:47:23 PM]
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Quote# 113961

A schoolgirl who left the Jehovah’s Witnesses after learning of its alleged failure to protect vulnerable women has blasted the organisation in a powerful speech to her classmates.

[...]

The most shocking allegations relate to women the girl spoke to, who were members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and wished to remain anonymous.

One, she called Jane, was allegedly interrogated by the church elders after she was raped, while at work as insurance salesperson.

The elders apparently said she tempted men by the way she dressed and that men were “only human”.

In order to be forgiven and not be excommunicated, or “disfellowshipped,” Jane was forced to dress more conservatively, quit her job and worst of all drop the charges against her attacker.

Another, called Donna, was allegedly molested by a man in her congregation when she was a young girl, but did not tell anyone because she knew nothing would be done.

It is claimed Donna was then abused physically and emotionally throughout 14 years of marriage and when she went to the church elders for support she was told it was her fault and should be a better wife.

Eventually Donna secured a divorce from her husband, but her torment did not end there. She was “disfellowshipped” from the organisation, which meant she was unable to speak to her friends or family members in the church.

“To make matters worse her children were taught not to speak to her because she was evil, they were isolated by her ex-husband and know nothing other than this religion. They are also terrified of disappointing their father and their god,” the girl said.

Unnamed Jehovah's Witnesses elders, The Independent 22 Comments [10/28/2015 5:46:46 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 113948

Who holds extraordinary beliefs: Christians or atheists?

OPINION | Richard Shumack
September 2015

Australia recently hosted a lecture tour by noted celebrity atheist Peter Boghossian. Peter is part of Richard Dawkins’ speaking team and notorious for his book A Manual for Creating Atheists. I had the privilege of being invited to join him on stage in a public discussion of his ideas. This was challenging because, like Dawkins, Boghossian thinks that Christians are highly defective in the ways they come to their beliefs about God. So defective, in fact, that they can be regarded as having some sort of mental illness.

In defence of this bold claim Boghossian puts forward a central big idea: to get sensible beliefs you need to use reliable ways of knowing. Peter illustrates this using an instance from his life where he needed to work out the size of a broken door in his house. He suggests that if you want to know this reliably then you shouldn’t ask your dog, shouldn’t use divination and you shouldn’t offer a goat as a sacrifice. Instead, you should use a tape measure. And fair enough. You won’t be surprised to hear that, in my part-time job as a surveyor, tapes are my go-to device for finding out the size of doors.
The general idea aside, this illustration is not great. It doesn’t recognise the complexities of knowing in real life. So sometimes asking dogs can be a good way to find things out. My dog loves tennis balls, and her sense of smell is so acute that she can find them in closed cupboards or under beds. She knows the words “find” and “ball” and will do so on command. She is the most reliable method I have for knowing where hidden tennis balls are! More to the point, however, I don’t know anyone who actually tries to measure distance using dogs or divination. Similarly, my hunch is that goat sacrifice isn’t about finding out things at all – it’s more likely to be about appeasement. Nevertheless, despite the weakness of the illustration, Boghossian’s key idea is well made. We should know using reliable methods. Where he goes wrong, however, is to then go on to say that the only reliable way of knowing things is via the scientific method. In other words the only beliefs that are sensible are ones based on reasoning from objective evidence – ideally in laboratory conditions.

Now I agree that reasoning from objective evidence is a very good way of knowing lots of things. Especially scientific things like door sizes. But just a little reflection reveals that it is not the only way we know things. In everyday life we know things through a whole range of different methods. We know some things, like the fact that child abuse is wrong, intuitively. We know some things, like I have a headache, from personal experience. We can know some things, like riding a bike, through just doing it. And we know some things – and probably most things – through other people telling us. So, aside from a few monuments, everything we know about the past is based on eyewitness testimony. Similarly, most of what we know of our friends is from their personal testimonies. In fact, a few experts aside, pretty much all we know about science comes from what our teachers tell us.
The upshot of this is that reasoning from objective evidence is well and good. But it really doesn’t give us enough knowledge about so many important things in life like other people, morality, experiences and history. We know these things in so many other ways that are also well and good, ordinary and necessary.
Here’s an example. An ancestor of mine was one of the earliest European settlers in the Canberra area. Near the end of his life he produced an oral history of those early years. It’s a great read, full of stories about bushrangers, cricket, family and friendships with, and injustices suffered by, the local Aborigines. Now, not one single thing in this book can be proven scientifically. But it is still completely reasonable for me to say that I know my family history, and that the only way I can know it is through this sort of eyewitness testimony.
In arguing for the sole reliability of scientific knowledge, Boghossian is wrongly arguing for a position that he holds in common with most of the so-called New Atheists. Philosophers call this “scientism” and almost to a person they recognise that it is a silly position to hold. Atheist philosopher Massimo Pigliucci says that “what really characterises the New Atheism, as distinct from previous versions of atheism, is its marked turn toward scientism … I maintain – as a scientist and philosopher – that such a move has been a bad one for public atheism, [because] scientism is philosophically unsound.” Indeed it is really only the militant New Atheists who like to argue for it. It is easy to see why they try though. Since the existence of God or the supernatural can’t be conclusively proven by the scientific method, people who follow “scientism” can then argue that belief in such things is baseless and probably delusional.

Scientism is revealed to be an extraordinary and unsustainable way of thinking about knowledge, whereas Christian belief is based on all the ordinary ways of knowing. Christians sensibly ground so many of their ethical and existential beliefs in intuition. Christians put their faith in Jesus in large part based on the eyewitness testimony to the historical events of his life, death and resurrection. Christians know God personally through the presence of the Holy Spirit and they experience his power through miracles like healing and visions.
Of course, Christian belief in these things is extraordinary. But it is extraordinary because God is extraordinary. The way we come to these beliefs is remarkably ordinary, and it’s on account of that “ordinariness” that it is reliable.

Richard is a part-time Research Fellow at the Centre for Public Christianity. He is also Director of the Centre for the Study of Islam and Other Faiths at Melbourne School of Theology, and part of the Understanding and Answering Islam team for Ravi Zacharias International Ministries.

Richard Shumack, Bible Society of Australia 23 Comments [10/28/2015 5:43:14 PM]
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Quote# 113944

["Yea, because losing out on protein from venison harvested by my step-sons when I'm on food stamps and beans for protein is not allowed is so fucking selfish. Unbelievable that you are so selfish to not consider that many hunt to supplement expensive meat on food stamps."]

Thankfully you are not starving due to food stamps and you should be able to go without venison for a higher purpose like a child's life or not.

You are the selfish one.

["So I get to suffer protein deficiency while on dialysis and suffer medically. No.. fuck that and..."]

virginia dare, Daily Kos 17 Comments [10/28/2015 5:41:28 PM]
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Quote# 113943

"It's biologically impossible for a gay man to REQUIRE diapers based on a sexual practice."

Prove it. (With peer-reviewed secular citations, not wikipedia and Star Trek quotes.) Plus, nice shift of the goalposts from "it's biologically impossible for gay men to wear diapers" to your new revised thesis. :-)

And develop some compassion for gay people, for Heaven's sake. Weird though how you have given up on your abortion "logic," huh? :-) Are you pro-life now or still a slime of humanity pro-abort?


WorldGoneCrazy, Christian News Network 29 Comments [10/28/2015 5:40:34 PM]
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Quote# 113942

Islam is about control. The word itself means "submission." It is a socio-cultural pseudo-religion based upon the incoherent scribblings of one man - the "prophet" Muhammad, a warring tyrant who, as even the Quran concedes, was a murderous misogynist and pedophile. This unholy book is loosely plagiarized from the Bible's Old and New Testaments - scriptures that, by contrast, were seamlessly transcribed over centuries by roughly 40 men under the direct and divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Matt Barber, Barb Wire 26 Comments [10/28/2015 5:40:28 PM]
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Quote# 113941

Muslim frustration leads to aggression. When the poor dears get worked up enough, they get violent. The more their violent efforts are frustrated, the more violent they become. Before you know it, they're throwing a suicide bomber tantrum and diplomats rush off with a pile of candy and concessions to reduce their frustration levels to slightly less murderous norms.

Instead of giving them an immigration time-out or a shock-and-awe spanking, they hunt down whoever made poor Mohammed Jr. feel so frustrated that snookums is out on the streets stabbing people.

"What do you want from Mohammed? He's frustrated. He's a very sensitive boy. Why can't you be a little more understanding of his feelings and stop trying to fight back when he comes at you with a butcher knife?"

All this global Muslim frustration, though, seems to indicate that the problem might be Mohammed.

[...]

There's a place we send people who start killing when they get frustrated enough. It's called prison. We can't lock up the entire Muslim world, but we can lock ourselves away from it by ending migration and immigration to the civilized world from a Muslim world where frustration justifies violence.

And maybe, if Muslims get frustrated enough by this civilizational time-out, they'll choose civilization over barbarism.

Daniel Greenfield, Frontpage Mag 32 Comments [10/28/2015 5:40:24 PM]
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Quote# 113937

Liberal claptrap is expensive: "the average college student at a public school spends about $1,200 a year on textbooks," a cost that has increased by 82% over the last decade alone. The Bible is free online, and more beneficial. [Emphasis original]

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia, Main Page 43 Comments [10/28/2015 12:31:52 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 113935

Yes. I know, Jim. You will come up with ANY rationale or excuse to justify the killing if human beings in the womb, including diverting from the topic by bringing up the Canaanites. I understand you, Jim. I spend time with people like you each and every day. I look forward to that glorious day when I don't have to anymore.

As to your thought experiment, I am sure I would perish trying to save all, not that I am a fan of putting humans in test tubes, which you seem to be. Why would this happen? Because, unlike you, Jim, I would not have the God-knowledge that I could not save them all. I would not know that my time was that limited because I COULD not know my time was that limited as to save in an either-or situation.

And THAT is your problem, Jim: you so desire to be your own god that you refuse to bow to the real One. I thank Him that He will not surround those of us in His eternal presence with the kinds of people like you who are so incredibly callous and hypocritical as to survive the womb yourself, and then place YOUR "standard" on those who are not allowed to. I thank God that He is pro-choice, in terms of your eternal destination, and those who think like you.

Here is one for you, Jim: Your wife is at home with your 1 year old. Her best friend, who has just confirmed that she is pregnant a few days before and shared the news to many, including you and your wife, is visiting. You arrive home to find that a fire has broken out and all are passed out on the floor. Who do you save first, Jim? I look forward to YOUR answer. :-)

I look even more forward to your conversion by Christ Jesus.

WorldGoneCrazy, Live Action News 24 Comments [10/28/2015 3:06:40 AM]
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Quote# 113930

Ken Ham, the famous “creationist” is a favorite of the new apostate Christian church. He is heavily cited as an expert in Christian science textbooks. He misleads his followers into believing in evolution. How can a “creationist” mislead sincere Christians into believing in evolution? He teaches that Adam and Eve were the first humans (we know they were the first white man and woman) and that from them all Homosapiens resulted. After the tower of Babel incident when God confused the languages – Ken Ham teaches that people went to different parts of the world and in a few hundred years evolved into the different races. People in Africa became black and got tight kinky hair. People in Asia got extra eye folds from squinting at the sun and people in Europe – well they didn’t really change much at all. His theories are bizarre and based on Charles Darwin. Noah and his family who God spared because he was perfect in his generation (racially pure) He wasn’t really perfect – only Jesus Christ is perfect – were a mixed race family – we are told by “scientists” like Ham. He would have us believe that Noah had a racially integrated family. None of his teachings make any sense and smack of the ramblings of a small child who comes up with various fantasies as to why the sky is blue.

Christian Revival Center (Thomas Robb Ministries) and The Knights Party, White Pride Homeschool 46 Comments [10/27/2015 6:32:01 PM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 113925

I do feel like there is a pressure to put yes constantly in this society, because if you don't then you are a bigot or whatever.

Should homosexual people be allowed to legally adopt children? taking into account the following information:

1 - Same sex couples experience much higher levels of domestic violence than their heterosexual counterparts. Some studies show that the rate is at least three times higher than that of heterosexual couples. It seems unkind to force children to be exposed to this higher level of violence.
The book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence by two homosexual researchers “estimated that 650,000 homosexual men are victims of domestic violence each year, compared to figures from the FBI which showed that last year 1,300 hate crimes were reported.

2 - Homosexuals have a much higher rate of molestation than Heterosexuals
As much as 33% of child molestation is committed by homosexuals, and yet they only make up about 3% to 5% of our population. To allow homosexual couples to adopt children puts the children at greater risk of molestation.

3 - Homosexuals have a higher incidence of infidelity. In regards to homosexual monogamy, homosexuals remain faithful to one partner about 25% of the time. This is a much lower fidelity rate, than their heterosexual counterparts, which is 80%. It is not unusual for homosexuals to have hundreds of sexual partners in a life time.

What kind of stability will be afforded a child who is exposed to that kind of change of a significant other? I also say this against those heterosexuals who also co-habitat, it is unkind to children to expose them to continual relationship changes

Antoine Boyle , Quora 30 Comments [10/27/2015 7:26:34 AM]
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Quote# 113920

One of the most evil sins in America is the use of sexual suggestiveness in advertising. What prompted me to write this article was doing some research on the evils of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM). I noticed that the female CCM group “Point Of Grace,” on their album cover titled “A Thousand Little Things,” are pictured suggestively. For obvious reasons I can't show you the album cover, because it's inappropriate. They're all wearing skirts above the knees. This is wickedness.

Although modest by today's immodest standards, it is immoral by God's standards. The woman in the middle is sitting suggestively, subtly invitingly. The album cover is sexually suggestive, period. They know exactly what they are doing. All men who are normal and healthy have to battle continually against sexually impure thoughts. An honest homosexual told me that all men are sex pigs. Every man is either carnally minded and doesn't care, or he's a Christian who's trying to please God by bringing every thought into captivity unto obedience to Christ (2nd Corinthians 10:5).

Immodesty is a dangerous sin. Many men who have denied this truth have lived to reap what they have sown, proving my point. It's not uncommon to hear a pastor berating a relative or church member for committing sexual sins, and then one day they are guilty them self, on the other side of the fence now bearing the reproach of their sins. If that's you, know that the blood of Jesus cleanses all sins away. You'll never understand the grace of God until you mess up and people point their hypocritical finger in condemnation against you. Then the blood of Jesus will become sweeter than you have ever known.

But my teaching still stands, that is, women ought to cover their bodies thoroughly, dressing modestly and behaving ladylike. Modern female singers have impudent (a look of casual disrespect) faces, and they speak with authority like men, and they wear blue-jeans or miniskirts, shaming themselves and dishonoring the Lord they claim to serve. Immodesty is destroying our nation. Shame on any co-called Christian woman who wears her skirt above her knee, exposing her thighs for men to lust upon. Showing any part of the thighs invites a man's mind to think about her female reproductive organ. Why is that so hard to figure out? God judge this wicked generation!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 54 Comments [10/27/2015 6:36:40 AM]
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