Quote# 114315

Right now, in almost any church you attend, something occurs that has rarely happened anywhere before the late 20th and early 21st century.

People use more than one Bible.

Rick Warren’s The Purpose Driven Life (2002) set the 21st century stage, using 15 different English translations and justifying it in an Appendix. He wrote, “…I have deliberately used paraphrases in order to help you see God’s truth in new, fresh ways. English-speaking people should thank God that we have so many different versions to use for devotional reading.”

15 different translations help you? You may find two or three synonyms, similar-meaning words, in a language, but 15? You’re going to have interpretations -people’s private commentaries— not translations. Want an example?

In Deuteronomy 23:18 God said, “Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow…” Sounds simple enough. The word “dog” (keleb) is translated “dog” all through the Old Testament. It means “dog,” plain and simple. But in modern versions, you get interpretations like these:

“male prostitute’s earnings” (in various forms, Holman Christian Standard, NIV, NRSV, NLT, NET, Common English Bible)

“the money given to one used for sex purposes in the worship of the gods” (Bible in Basic English)

This isn’t translating. This is interpreting. They placed their opinion into the text, instead of the words God preserved. A true translator won’t let his personal opinions or interpretations stop him from accurately transferring the Bible concept to the target language.

But most of those 15 Bibles don’t just have changed translations. They are also translated from a changed text. As it says in Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?, historically there are two different streams of manuscripts. The northern, preserved, apostolic stream comes from Antioch, where the disciples were called Christians first (Acts 11:26). But the southern, polluted stream seeps out of Alexandria, Egypt, the home of apostate Jewish and Christian-sounding philosophers.

Scholars from the southern stream took out the words of God they disagreed with and inserted words that fit their opinions. And yet most modern Bibles come from that polluted southern stream.

Bible-believers from the northern stream faithfully passed down and accurately translated the original concepts into other languages, without inserting their own private interpretations. So then, these preserved words aligned with God’s standard.

All measuring tapes in the U.S. have to be calibrated against a standard, kept by the National Bureau of Standards. Jesus said His words would not pass away (Matt. 24:35). He left us a standard, so we can test all other “translations” and interpretations.

Remove Acts 8:37, and you take away words that refute infant baptism. Remove “yet” from John 7:8 and Jesus becomes a liar. Remove “without a cause” from Matthew 5:22 and Jesus becomes an angry sinner! See why we need a standard?

An article on Crosswalk.com entitled, “How Do I Find the Right Bible?” ends with the question: “What about you? Which translation of the Bible do you use?” Who cares? Many modern Bible teachers spend so much time talking about using the Bible that they forget the point is to believe the Bible! They can’t all, as one author claimed, “contain the life-giving words of God.”

God’s words do not contradict each other.

People use other Bibles but they do not believe them. How can they? They are constantly changed and disagree with each other in crucial places!

But thank God, we have His holy and preserved words in English, the King James Bible, straight from the northern stream. We can believe every word of our Bible.

It has never been a matter of which Bible we use. What matters is which Bible we believe. Whether we use one Bible or 15 from the southern, polluted stream, filled with men’s interpretations, we will only be deceiving ourselves.

David W. Daniels, Chick.com 27 Comments [11/11/2015 4:01:51 AM]
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Quote# 114312

If the husband rebukes his wife, she leaves out the kitchen door and roams the neighborhood for hours until he has to go back to work. Understandably, sometimes the husband is frustrated and crabby. The man gets little sleep and is a nervous wreck, wondering what his wife will do next, or if she's coming home or not, or who she's going to drag into the marriage (and she often does). Well-meaning people often take sides and make matters worse.

His wife has no supervisor, so her husband has to reprimand her for not doing her duties at home. If the husband doesn't discipline her, then who's going to do it?

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 25 Comments [11/11/2015 4:01:20 AM]
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Quote# 114308

I offered to make Aaron (nice Bible name) lunch, if he ever visits the ministry. While he's eating I would like to ask him a few questions about the evolution of the chicken (or whatever it was before it fully evolved).

When did it evolve eyes, and up until that time, how did it see?
When did it evolve lungs?
Did it breath before it had lungs?
If it didn't, why did the lungs evolve if it was doing just fine?
When did air evolve with the right mixture of oxygen to sustain its life?
When did the brain evolve so that it could think, and therefore eat food to sustain its life?
When, how, and why did the food that it ate evolve?
When did it get an instinct to drink water?
When and why did water evolve?

The same questions apply for the pre-rooster. Did it evolve into a bird around the same time as the hen? Why did it involve? Did the process take millions of years? How did the creature reproduce in the meantime? How long was its lifespan if the process took millions of years?

There are a few other questions about which evolved first--its heart, blood, or blood vessels. How did the heart work if there was no blood or blood vessels?

I'm sure Aaron, like most believes in Darwinian evolution, will say that questions show that I don't understand evolution. That would be true. Nobody does.


Ray Comfort, Facebook 54 Comments [11/10/2015 1:57:23 PM]
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Quote# 114307

This weekend, religious protesters arrived on Main Street in Old Town Spring to express their dissatisfaction with the Greater Church of Lucifer, which opened on Halloween.

Church leaders are adamant that they do not, as a whole, worship Satan... They picked the name "Lucifer" using the Latin translation, which is "light bringer," as a symbolic representation of the congregation's search for knowledge and self-empowerment.

...But that didn't stop protesters from arriving at the church's doorstep on Main, armed with wooden crosses, holy water, rosary beads and bullhorns. Altogether there were about 40 protesters on Friday evening, lining both sides of Main. There was a heavy police presence, and the protests were largely peaceful, except for a few moments before dark when members from two groups of protesters — one Catholic organization from Pennsylvania, and the other consisting of some sort of doomsday-preachers from Las Vegas — began arguing with each other over whose sect of Christianity was correctly following Jesus.

Protestors at Greater Church of Lucifer, Houston Press 38 Comments [11/10/2015 1:57:09 PM]
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Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 114305

New Age Christians here could argue against this subject and this wont help anyone so I wont go into a lot of detail but most Christian prophets think Cern's aim is to open the 'other side abyss' allowing demonic entities to take over our world. Practically that is already happening and there have been a lot of paranormal visions over the world. It amazes me how much of these are not published more! - like strange cloud formations, cities in the sky, loud noises trumpet sounds etc
A few years ago just one of these things would have been World News but now there is no fuss no one bothers because we have all been hypnotised by the world-wide web

Malvina, Christian Forums 28 Comments [11/10/2015 3:37:02 AM]
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Submitted By: LightHorseman

Quote# 114298

Calling Pastor Swanson anti-gay is an understatement. He has called being gay “the worst possibly abomination on Earth” and has openly advocated for the death of LGBT individuals in the past numerous times. There was even one occasion on his radio show where he joked about throwing rocks at people who are gay with a fellow Pastor. He somehow thought that was funny....

....Ironically, this wasn’t the most bizarre thing he said at the event. He seems to hate gay people so much, that if he found out his own son were gay, he would “cover himself in cow manure.” Wow. Really?

“There are families, we’re talking Christian families, pastors’ families, elders’ families from good, godly churches, whose sons are rebelling, hanging out with homosexuals and getting married and the parents are invited. What would you do if that was the case? Here is what I would do: sackcloth and ashes at the entrance to the church and I’d sit in cow manure and I’d spread it all over my body. That is what I would do and I’m not kidding, I’m not laughing. I’m grieving, I’m mourning, I’m pointing out the problem.”

Pastor Kevin Swanson, Addicting Info 43 Comments [11/9/2015 1:48:52 PM]
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Submitted By: SpukiKitty

Quote# 114296

I saw a Burger King commercial recently, where all the employees were dancing, swaying their bodies to the jungle music, celebrating the Junior Whopper being on sale. That is immoral and wrong. The corporations know that Americans are materialistic and gullible, programmed to respond to sexually suggestive advertising. The old adage is true that, “sex sells!” Dancing is synonymous with impudent (a casual look of disrespect, improperly forward or bold) faces on women. That's the look of disrespect, a 'whores forehead' the Bible calls it. Jeremiah 3:3 - The Blush Of Shame Verses The Whore's Face That Refuses To Be Ashamed (MP3 sermon by Pastor Jack Hyles). Whorish women are rebels and it shows on their impudent faces.

David J. Stewart, Jesus Is Savior 45 Comments [11/9/2015 1:48:43 PM]
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Submitted By: undie not fundie

Quote# 114295

America needs Christian schools. Government should pay for private schools and homeschools as well, without regulation. State exams are fine if those are not atheistic in content. It's unfair only the atheistic and Sodomic public schools are getting support from the State. Who made atheism the state religion in the West? There is no neutrality in secularism; it's been only godlessness and atheism. Children need Christian morality for normality.You are a little inaccurate. The creators and fathers of the USA of all eras never imagined the nation would be this blasphemous, Anti-christian, immoral, and atheistic. Such possibility just never dawned on their mind. To them, being a decent human meant being Christian. Today's secular West is massively violating the Christrians, pushing blasphemy and Sodomy and infanticide. Christian education must be upheld in the West including the USA; the secular West has no other way to live or understand morality.

Grace Kim Kwon, The Christian Post 31 Comments [11/9/2015 1:48:35 PM]
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Quote# 114289

Now the existence of Hell opens the door to many fascinating insights about God. Ironically, it is Hell that helps us unlock this mystery of what really happened with Jesus on the cross. We’re used to thinking of Hell as a statement on how much God hates sin, but it’s much more than that. It’s primarily a statement on how self-centered God is. God will always exalt Himself first—He will not take a backseat to anyone. He will dominate everything that He creates. If any human tries to resist His domination, they’ll end up in Hell, where they will be utterly dominated by Him forever.

Our next clue comes from understanding God’s view of time. Though God describes Himself as “long-suffering”, this is really a lie. God is only long-suffering from the perspective of humans who are living in a temporal dimension. In this world, it’s like we’re running through a pool of Jell-O: everything is in slow motion. Snap your fingers together once: that’s how long your life on earth is from God’s perspective because He is not in time. So when God talks about being so patient about waiting for you to repent, in reality He’s not being patient at all. One snap is all the time God is giving you to fall on your face and revere Him. If you take longer than the length of a snap, He throws you into Hell.

So what can we conclude from a God who applauds Himself for being so patient with rebellious humans when really He’s only giving them one nanosecond’s worth of time to align with His program before He starts to eternally torture them? God is so consumed with exalting Himself, that as far as He is concerned, He really is being incredibly generous to put up with your snarky attitude at all ever. You see, God considers Himself to be so infinitely magnificent that it is utterly inexcusable for us to intentionally withhold praise and glory from Him.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 30 Comments [11/9/2015 1:39:26 PM]
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Quote# 114288


Even if dinosaurs did evolve into birds to fill their evolution gap, it does not explain how something like the common housefly could have evolved. Flies flap their wings simultaneously 500 times per second, even the slightest dissonance in vibration would cause them to lose balance and fall, but this never happens. How could they “evolve” such an amazing and specialized ability? Why were dinosaurs never discovered before the evolutionist renaissance in the mid-19th century? Why do paleontologists think they can reconstruct an entire species of ancient animal from a few teeth? Why have so many dinosaur “discoveries” turned out to be hoaxes? Why are all “authentic dinosaur fossils” kept under tight lock and key away from any independent analysis? Why has erosion and weathering not destroyed all these supposed prints and fossils that are allegedly millions of years old? If dinosaurs were supposedly wiped out by a meteor impact or other such global catastrophe, why is it that all the other various animal species that exist today were not similarly wiped out? There are many more questions which need to be answered before anyone in their right-mind should consider the existence of dinosaurs anything but a convenient evolutionist myth.

Eric Dubay, The Atlantean Conspiracy 34 Comments [11/9/2015 1:36:44 PM]
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Quote# 114286

If you enroll your child into a public school, you will almost assuredly regret it one day when your children grow up to become heathens. A few hours of Sunday School cannot undo 40 hours per week of fascist-style demonic brainwashing at the Devil's public school. The biggest danger to your children are the other children, who come from Godless homes and whose parent's are as wicked as can be. I've seen good children come out of bad homes simply because the children finished high school in a Christian school and had a pastor and teachers who cared about them spiritually. I've also seen children go to the Devil in decent homes because they were enrolled into a government school. That's what public schools are, that is, government schools.

The government doesn't care about your children's spiritual welfare. In fact, the government has every intention of robbing your child of faith in God through the bogus teachings of evolution, sex education and humanism. Biology is taught on the basis of evolution, not upon the fact that a loving and powerful God created the universe. Every subject ought to be taught based upon God and the Bible, which a child will NEVER get in a hellish public school system. Your child is far better off in an imperfect Christian school than they are in a reputable public school. Most of the public schools I know have awful reputations. Nationwide public schools are sewers of illegitimacy, crime, apathy and wasted lives. Your child will go to the Devil if you are foolish enough to enroll them into a public school system.

Furthermore, a private school is very unlikely to turn any parents into CPS authorities, whereas a public school won't hesitate. In fact, there's an ongoing racket in America to steal children from their parents (download MP3) and CPS and the judges are all involved. Children are being kidnapped by pedophile judges and CPS departments nationwide.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 46 Comments [11/9/2015 1:36:35 PM]
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Quote# 114285

It outrages God when we humans refuse to give Him the glory that He rightly deserves and God deserves the glory for everything. So when we start taking the bows and applauding each other for things which only God can do, His fierce jealousy explodes, and rightly so. When God talks about being jealous for our worship, He’s not talking about needing us to prop up His low self-esteem. He’s talking about how outraged He feels when creatures who depend on Him for every breath actually have the audacity to credit some other being, object, or delusion for playing the role of God in their lives. The Holy Spirit drops some fascinating new insight in your brain and instead of praising Him, you go gushing over your pastor. You actually give some idiot human the glory for supplying you with the wisdom of God and you refuse to recognize that God Himself has just communicated directly to you. And then you actually complain that God never talks to you. You go to sleep in your warm bed every night, you have food on your table which you never even say thank you for, but when your new car gets in a wreck, you complain that God doesn’t provide for you. You gush over some worship pastor and thank him for bringing you “into the throne room of God” every week with his great music while you act like the Holy Spirit’s constant Presence with you and perpetual care of you is non-existent. You pray to saints who were totally fabricated by the Church and you have more faith in their protection of you than you do in the Gods who are guiding your every step and constantly shielding you from harm. You barely say two words to God in a day, but you pour out your heart to your stupid dog every night and thank her for being such a good “kid.” You want Brother Braggart to lay his hands on you Sunday morning because you think his emotional prayer for you is more valuable than the love of a God who died on a cross for your sake. These are the kinds of things that ignite the jealous fury of our Gods: when we refuse to give Them the glory, honor, credit, praise, and love that They rightfully deserve.

Divine jealousy is a response to being cheated, insulted, ignored and minimized by creatures who depend on their Creators for absolutely everything. We have nothing that our Gods haven’t given us. We can do nothing apart from Them. We are ignorant, incapable lumps and if we were to praise our Gods all day every day with every breath that we have, we would be giving Them only the very least that They deserve. So do They get mad when we stand right in front of Them acting like They are irrelevant? Oh, yes.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 11 Comments [11/9/2015 1:36:31 PM]
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Quote# 114357

Why dont atheists understand that god didnt help the jews during the holocaust because jews killed jesus?

anonymous, Y! answers 45 Comments [11/9/2015 8:08:24 AM]
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Quote# 114281

Christianity definitely created what we understand as liberalism today, which is really radical egalitarianism (not always very liberal in practice).

However, it was a Jewish convert named Saul who laid the foundation:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Our contemporary liberalism started with a repudiation of Classical Judaism, which as a highly stratified, racially exclusive religion could not be liberal by Western standards. Nor can modern Judaism or Islam, both of which reject Paul’s proclamation that we are all equal under God. But it took over a thousand years of institutional Christianity before the idea mutated into its current form.

My guess is that as long as the church had a great deal of authority over people’s lives, it was a useful concept for promoting social harmony and a sense of mutual obligation among the different classes (e.g. aristocrats were supposed to acknowledge that God did not favor them over social inferiors), as well as a check on secular power vis a vis the church. However, when the church’s power began to recede and break up as it lost its monopoly over knowledge, this central tenet of Christianity took on a life of its own – it came unmoored from the rock of faith so to speak – and became a tool in the hands of secular factions challenging the prevailing authority.

Jews could not develop a Western-style liberal society as long as they lived under rabbinic authority, so it was only when egalitarian Westerners freed them from that authority (a sort of ecclesiastic law for Jews) and granted them citizenship that they were able to do so.

And no, the liberalism wasn’t the Protestants’ fault. Napoleon was more influential than anyone else in spreading the new faith. I think the peculiar Yankee and English form of radical egalitarianism was a competition with the French; an attempt to show that they were just as righteous as the French – more so even – and could prove it. As an example of the ferocity of this competition, in the beginning of the American Republic the Francophile and Anglophile factions waged what amounted to a low-intensity war. So many killed each other in duels that the officer corps was depleted.

Today all egalitarian political systems, including our own as well as Communist China’s, are based on this originally Christian idea of human equality. We have been in a crusade that has been on the march for over 200 years. It is very much a religious movement, and so all-encompassing that it rarely even occurs to people to question their faith in the beliefs it is built upon. Only in the last few decades, and ever so carefully, have a few begun to do so openly.

Bill P, Unz 17 Comments [11/9/2015 3:43:25 AM]
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Quote# 114278

[From article "Against Spooning"]

If the argument against spooning were only a physical one, I would not feel so strongly. After all, many people are gluttons for punishment—who am I to deny them their strange pleasure? But there’s a deeper issue here, a troubling aspect of spooning that emerges in the dimension of ideology, of what it all means.

Please recall the big spoon/little spoon roles I described earlier. A look at the gay adaptation of these terms is useful in exposing the power relationship they instantiate. Among gay men, big spoon and little spoon have become softer ways of signaling whether one is a top or a bottom during sex. But, as has been true of the top/bottom dynamic since the beginning, these also carry certain connotative weight: Big spoons are manly and will take care of you (provided you let them use you to take care of themselves); little spoons are fragile, passive creatures that need to be held and kept safe. This, of course, is fundamentally a sexist arrangement, one that casts the big spoon as “the man” and the little spoon as “the woman.” To say that this power imbalance is built into all acts of spooning—whichever the sexes engaged—is not, I think, an overstatement. Indeed, I would argue that spooning is always already a power play, a perverse strategy by which we nightly enact the unjust relations of “big” and “little” privilege that plague our society on every level.

We can do better than this.

J. Bryan Lowder, Slate 42 Comments [11/9/2015 3:42:26 AM]
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Quote# 114277

Sleeveless Blouses

Sleeveless blouses always reveal too much. Little as you may be able to understand it, the area beneath your arms, and the parts of your chest or your back which immediately adjoin them, are very attractive to a man; and a sleeveless blouse cannot help but display these parts. You must also bear in mind that others will see you from all angles and in all positions, and thearmholes of a sleeveless blouse will often allow a man to see inside the blouse, especially when your arms are uplifted or outstretched, thus displaying part of your chest. The same is true of a short sleeved blouse which has very large or loose sleeves. This may be perfectly modest as long as you keep your elbows at your sides, but as soon as you raise your arms you create an opening though which a man may see inside your blouse, and this is a great snare to his heart. Remember you are a woman, and cannot see yourself as a man sees you. And if only the weakest of your brethren might be tempted by your sleeveless or loose-sleeved blouses, ought you not to deny yourself a little comfort or fashion, and conceal your body a little better for his good?

Author Unknown, Mom of 9's Place 34 Comments [11/9/2015 3:42:14 AM]
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Quote# 114275

The LGBT Mafia is making a full-court press for their case that God accepts actively, out of the closet homosexuals and homosexuality. If the Bible is still right, then He does not. Queer culture evangelists like Matthew Vines travel the country attempting to make converts to their “theology”. This is a spiritual battle in these last days as darkness continues to rise in America and around the world, I understand why they do it. But what I cannot understand is why Chick-Fil-A is helping them to do it.

I am quite sure now that this news has gone global, Chick-Fil-A CEO Dan Cathy will read his lawyer-approved prepared statement that will explain why he is using the Chick-Fil-A name and brand his father started to promote a Sodomite film festival. And I am sure his reasons for partnering with the LGBT will sound oh-so forthright and convincing . But what will he say, I wonder, to Jack Phillips of the Masterpiece Cake Shop in Colorado who lost his business because he refused to make a same-sex wedding cake? Or Barronelle Stutzman and her flower shop in Washington State who was hauled into court and forced to be heavy fines for not making flower arrangements for a same-sex wedding. Unlike mega-millionaire Dan Cathy, these hardworking, blue collar Christian men and women pay a heavy price when they stand for Jesus Christ. This move is a slap in their face, and in all the faces of Christians across the globe who refuse to bow down at the altar of the LGBT Mafia Movement.

Shame on you, Dan Cathy. Christian Americans stood by you and Chick-Fil-A every step of the way back in 2012 when you were persecuted for taking a stand for Jesus Christ. But we will not stand with you on this. No sir. One of my favorite places to get lunch is at one of your restaurants, but that can and will change.

Your move.

Geoffrey Grider, Now The End Begins 27 Comments [11/9/2015 3:40:15 AM]
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Quote# 114274

[Chick-Fil-A sponsors an LGBT film festival]

BOYCOTT!!... GOODBYE!!... CHICK- FIL- A!!... GOD WILL RISE UP ONE BETTER THAN YOU!!
#DoNotCompromise #NoFear #ExposingDarkness #JesusIsComingBackSoon! #ObedienceIsBetterThanSacrifice

Esther Olivarez, Charisma News 30 Comments [11/9/2015 3:40:02 AM]
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Quote# 114273

Your abnormal perverted lifestyle is what the issue is. It is not hatred of you. All of you sodomites attempt to spin which can't be spun! Repent and change your ways, or spend eternity in Fiery HELL! It is your choice...Don't Blow It!

nojack, Charisma News 26 Comments [11/9/2015 3:39:54 AM]
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Quote# 114271

Whether you realize it or not, men look at certain portions of the body, and it doesn’t matter whether you think that is good, bad, or otherwise, they are going to do it. And if you wear clothing that attracts attention to that, you are just helping them in their sin. That’s why a dress, unless it’s too tight, is better than pants, because a dress does not draw the attention to that part of the body that people look at and lust after.

Elmwood Baptist Church, Elmwood Baptist Church 26 Comments [11/9/2015 3:39:32 AM]
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Quote# 114270

You are so cute, Cath!!! Strain away!! That is really right to the main issue -who are we seeking approval or attention from. I am constantly amazed at the people who say we don’t “need” to dress differently in order to please God – It makes me want to ask them, “Then who are you dressing to please???” Does a woman need to wear 7 rings on her fingers? Does she NEED lipstick? Does she need to wear blue jeans? Not hardly. (Blue jeans were developed to be strong enough to withstand the harsh conditions of goldminers. The lives of most modern women is far from harsh. :-))

Angelia, shepherd hill home 20 Comments [11/9/2015 3:39:25 AM]
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Quote# 114269

I’m not sure why the modern church seems to think that Godly women can still follow the fads and fashions of the modern world and even ignore modesty and it makes no difference to God. I want to address the issue of modesty and fashion. As we are doing this Bible study I feel like an important point is to address some of the statements that are made in favor of following after the fashion of the world. Let’s look at the scripture first: 1Timothy 2:9 “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works.” Well! Doesn’t this give us an incredible picture? If we believe the Word of God – the Holy Bible to be in errant, then how can this scripture be ignored so often. I would venture to say it is one of the most often ignored scriptures in the entire Bible.

As I said earlier let’s begin with modesty. What constitutes modesty? Do the runways ofParis’ Fashion Week determine modesty? Ha! Or perhaps the corporate big shots for Walmart? Or perhaps the pastor’s wife? It makes you wonder doesn’t it? Wouldn’t it be nice if all of the pastor’s wives wore modest, Godly apparel to be a good example for the ladies of their church? I have to admit that some do, but sadly many don’t. Let’s define modesty:

Using the Strong’s Concordance:

Modest- 2887 - kosmios

1) well arranged, seemly, modest

Using several modern dictionaries:

marked by simplicity
humble; unpretentious; unassuming; simple; limited
decent
neither bold nor self-assertive
intended to avoid attracting sexual interest


I think these definitions really do give us a fairly good picture of what we are looking for here. (Please note number 5 from the modern dictionaries section and no, this was not from a Biblical dictionary but from a secular one. Interesting.) There are so many topics that we could take off on at the moment – rabbit trails really, but I want to stick to the main point. When we began our move toward a plain lifestyle, we wondered whether or not simple clothing was all that mattered. Actually we did try to just wear dresses that were fairly modest and unassuming. I had a wide assortment of simple jumpers and tee shirts for underneath. These seemed to cover, not expose the shape, and couldn’t have been more inexpensive to make. So they appeared to follow what I was after. Until one day when I went to the local bakery store. We had already started wearing headcoverings which will be discussed as part of this Bible study, and I had on a nice simple denim jumper with the long sleeve tee shirt underneath. As I went to the check-out counter, the lady looked at me very peculiar and said, “You wear the same clothing as everybody else but what is that thing on your head?” I was stunned. Not about her question on the headcovering, but more on her saying that I wore the same clothing as everybody else. Here are thought I had really made a change and made an evident statement in my modest jumper and simple shirt that I was different.

I was modest in the technical sense, but I was not modest in the Godly sense that I was after. The Holy Spirit had really convicted me that as a born again, Bible believing creation that I needed to be modest in the fashion sense as well. Now there’s no question that the fashion industry would consider a simple denim jumper and long sleeve tee shirt extremely modest, but I’m not trying to compare myself to their criteria. What I truly wanted to compare myself to was what the Lord saw as modest and unadorned. And truthfully, I don’t expect to ignite a fire of plain dressed women across America with this Bible study, but I do want to point out that even the world understands that there is a great deal of difference.

Let me take a little sidetrack at the moment and go ahead and address folks who say that what we wear has nothing to do with what is on the inside. They love to use 1 Samuel 16:7 –“But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.” Isn’t it amazing how clearly this seems to point to the opposite of what I have been saying? Boy, they really got me on this one. Ha! (Yes, that was being sarcastic.) The truth is this doesn’t really contradict with the idea of dress being unimportant. It is really speaking to the concept of people judging someone’s worth based on their appearance. And certainly I am not advocating that. This being said, we do need to realize that while we are not to judge others we are to make sure that our own appearance is appropriate as pertains to a child of God.

Several years ago when I was listening to a tape about a godly woman’s clothing, the speaker commented that whenever a woman’s shape was clearly defined underneath her clothing, this was considered immodest. If you think about it this way, this means that if the underside of a curve can be seen then you have a problem- that means the curve of the breast, waist, hips, and thigh. I encourage you to examine yourself in your clothing in front of the mirror. Bend over. You will be surprised at what you see.

Before I close this section to allow for comments let me speak on the issue of shamefacedness (Strong’s – 127 aidos – a sense of shame or honour, modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect) and sobriety ( Strong’s – 4997 s?phrosyn? –soundness of mind, self-control, sobriety). When I think of these two words I do not think of pink lipstick, Cosmopolitan magazine, skin-tight sweaters, chunky blond-streaked frosted hair, and skirts so tight that they require of slit so that you can walk. Shall we even mention rings on every finger and two or three holes in each ear lobe?

Angelia, shepherd hill home 26 Comments [11/8/2015 11:31:02 AM]
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Quote# 114268

Christians in Spring, Texas, appear to be trying to run the Church of Lucifer out of town, ABC13 reports.

The Luciferians officially opened their doors on Friday, with their first meeting scheduled for Saturday. But they were greeted by a vocal group of Christians after having their building vandalized this week. Video taken by ABC13 Friday evening shows protesters upset with the organization’s presence gathered outside, with a law enforcement presence needed to keep the peace.

“This is what we get when we have freedom of religion,” protester Christine Weick told ABC13 angrily. “We ought to be filling up the whole street here, that they have to pass through us to get into that church.”

White continued to say that God loves the Luciferians “enough to say, ‘you either bow now, or you will be forced to bow later,’ and then it’s too late.”

The church had been vandalized ahead of its opening. Someone with a chainsaw hacked off a large tree branch and sent it crashing into the building’s roof, KHOU reports.

“We have an absolute right to be here, legally,” Greater Church of Lucifer co-president Michael Ford told RT. “I always feel sorry for so-called Christians who feel so insecure in their belief that they have to come out here and waste their time when they’re not going to change our mind, and we’re not going to change theirs.”

Ford said the organization is philosophical and their “services” are more of a meeting of minds. There is no devil worship or animal sacrifice that takes place, and they have no intention of converting anyone.

“They just believe that that’s what happens. That’s what they spew,” he told ABC13.

One sign held by protesters read, “Mary Queen of the Angels crush Lucifer’s head!” Another read, “We are one nation under God and Satanism is NOT an American value.” A woman bellows that, “Jesus is calling on your today!”

Despite the less-than-warm welcome, the organization said on its Facebook page that its opening was successful with plans to hold its first meeting still scheduled for Saturday.

“I have to say that we as a group lead by example,” church member Jacob No wrote. “We [were] the ones who handled all adversity at hand with perfection and respect.”

It’s not the first time people following the philosophical, historical and literary figure of what Christians believe to be the fallen angel Lucifer have faced violence.

In July, the Satanic Temple had to move the unveiling of its Baphomet statue to a secret location in Detroit after Christians there made threats that they would blow it up.

Both the Church of Lucifer and Satanic Temple do not worship a supernatural devil figure, but instead follow tenets that resemble those of humanism.

Christine Weick, Rawstory 44 Comments [11/8/2015 11:13:56 AM]
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Quote# 114267

(In response to story titled "Texas School District Partially Backs Teacher in Controversy Over 'God' Question):

So, one atheist complains and libraries remove all Christian texts, crosses and memorials are removed, the Ten Commandments and personal prayers are banned from school grounds and Christian teachers are terminated for some imaginary offense!
But when Christians correctly cry foul, the protagonists themselves are instead defended and no one is ever reprimanded or removed for their blatant infringement on religious rights.
Sounds about right. Bizzaro America for you!
Completely unrecognizable from her former glorious self.
R.I.P. to the once "shining city on a hill" :(

The Last Trump, Christian News Network 21 Comments [11/8/2015 11:13:47 AM]
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Quote# 114261

One of the most popular false gods of the world is Santa Claus. Children around the world worship Santa Claus. Do you know what the word "worship" means? It simply means: "The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object." Hence, many parents are indeed teaching their children to worship Santa.

Children's minds are consumed with this fictitious fat slob dressed in red. Children should not be led to believe in a fictitious character who can read people's minds, is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. To deliver presents to every child in one night is something ONLY an omnipotent God could do.

Don't you see what the Devil is doing to little children? As the child grows older and realizes that there is NO Santa, he is already CONDITIONED to become an atheist as well.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 45 Comments [11/8/2015 9:26:24 AM]
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