Quote# 115160

The president of a Christian university encouraged his students to get concealed firearm permits so they could prevent the next mass shooting from happening there.

Jerry Falwell, Jr., head of Liberty University, a Christian school in Virginia, invoked the mass shooting this week at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California. Fourteen people were killed and 21 were injured in the attack, which was carried out by a husband and wife who claimed loyalty to the Islamic State.

Falwell criticized President Obama for urging gun control in the wake of recent shootings, and made it clear he was armed during his speech at a convocation Friday night.

“It just blows my mind when I see the President of the United States say that the answer to [San Bernardino] is more gun control,” Falwell said. “If some of those people in that community center had had what I’ve got in my back pocket right now…”

He encouraged people to carry guns so they could ” end those Muslims before they walk in and kill us,” Falwell said.

He then said the university offers a free course to help get a concealed carry permit.

“I just wanted to take this opportunity to encourage all of you to get your permit. We offer a free course. Let’s teach them a lesson if they ever show up here,” he said.

Jerry Falwell, Jr., Raw Story 38 Comments [12/10/2015 3:31:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 115159

[re: "Logic-based proof of God"]

Objective truth proof

1. Objective truth exists.
2. The existence of objective truth depends on the existence of an objective observer.
3. In the absence of an objective observer, the concept of objective truth would fail for lack of falsifiability.
4. The only possible objective observer for all of objective truth is God.
5. Therefore God exists.

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia, Logic-based proof of God 52 Comments [12/9/2015 3:35:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 115158

In general, Asians appreciate and cultivate aspects of Western culture more than any other non-white group. My Indian friends went to British schools and they read all the same books I did growing up, even American authors like Louisa May Alcott and Nathaniel Hawthorne. I listen to a classical music station daily and most of the hot young classical artists these days are Chinese. But in the time I spent abroad, among other things, I became convinced that the idea of adoring nature is a product of the West. Before Edmund Hillary made his summit of Mt. Everest and made the Himalayas into a world-class destination for mountaineers, Nepali and Tibetan ethnic people did not go mountain-climbing. They regard it as dangerous and foolhardy. They only do it nowadays days if they are working for the tourist industry. They make magnificent trekking guides. They will risk their lives for you. But trekking is never something they would do for recreation.

If you get stranded high on a mountain and you're a foreign tourist, they'll send a helicopter rescue for you. If you're Nepali, they'll leave you up there; you were supposed to have sense enough not to go there in the first place.

The majority of trekkers who visit Nepal come from the United States, Europe, and Australia, with a small percentage from Japan. White people of Northern European extraction have a solid reputation for being the only people who would spend big bucks on a vacation where you will most certainly get dysentery, pick leeches off you, and possibly even get killed.
I've trekked in remote areas of the Himalayas, which is as close as you can get to outer space without leaving the planet. The ethnic people there are very suspicious of foreigners. Unless you're a scientist or a missionary, they can't make sense of why you're there. Why would anyone go out of their way just to look at beautiful scenery? My brother-in-law once made a cross-country road trip and drove 100 miles out of his way to visit the Grand Canyon. Afterwards he said, what's the big deal? It's just a big hole in the ground.â€

Most definitely all Asians are not like him. But I used to think that being awestruck by nature was something hardwired into human beings. Now, I think of it as primarily a feature of white people and my experience has consistently borne that out.

Paul, View From the Right 26 Comments [12/9/2015 3:35:45 PM]
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Quote# 115157

[In response to a quote from Harvard professor Clay Christensen: "As religion loses its influence over the lives of Americans, what will happen to our democracy? Where are the institutions that are going to teach the next generation of Americans that they, too, need to voluntarily choose to obey the laws? Because if you take away religion, you can't hire enough police."]

Rafael Cruz: What happens is when you destroy, I would say Christianity more than religion, what takes its place is another religion which is called Secular Humanism. Secular Humanism basically says there is no God, for you are your own God. On that premise there are no moral absolutes. As a matter of fact, their mantra is, "If it feels good, do it." Secular Humanism embraces a lot of chaos, a lot of immorality, and a lot of corruption. It causes a situation that deteriorates more and more and more. That's exactly what we see happening in America today.

Dr. Reagan: You are of the age where we have witnessed in our lifetime the deterioration of America. When I was a kid growing up, we did Bible readings in school. We prayed in school. Our English Reader was made up of Bible stories. We were taught morality. [...] Nobody was worried about those guns being on the school campuses. Today we have moral pygmies killing each other over tennis shoes!

This erosion has to do with the fact that we have simply eroded our Christian standards. As that has happened, we have increased violence in the schools. We have violence in society. We see society falling apart. What I can't understand is why people who are non-Christians cannot recognize the connection.

Rafael Cruz: What has happened is this so-called religion of Secular Humanism started as far back as 1933. There as a document printed in America in 1933 called the Humanist Manifesto. One of the principle authors was John Dewey who was considered the Father of American Education. He was also a member of the American Communist Party. He was our so-called top educator! Then in 1962, prayer is removed from school and in 1963 the Bible is removed from schools. The consequence of those two abominable decisions of the Supreme Court was that teen pregnancy skyrocketed over 500%, and so did violent crime.

[...]

Dr. Reagan: [...] One of the Supreme Court decisions the just infuriates me is when they threw the Ten Commandments out and ruled that schools cannot even the Ten Commandments posted on the walls of the schools in America. They said the reason is because the children might read the Ten Commandments and decide to obey them. They actual said that in the decision!

[...]

Rafael Cruz: The thing that amazes me is that if these Atheist really don't believe in God, why are they so afraid of the cross? Why are they so afraid of the Ten Commandments? [...] There is power in the cross, and they know it.

Dr. Reagan: It's really strange the way things have developed in this nation, a nation that was founded on Christian principles. America is a nation that has been blessed like no other nation since ancient Judah. And yet, we have turned our back on God. We are shaking our fist at God. I think we are just begging for the destruction of God.

Rafael Cruz: Absolutely! But, I am still very, very encouraged. I think America's best days are still ahead, because I believe there is a point when the people of God are finally going to say, "I can't take it anymore!" I think the decision on June 26, 2015, to legalize homosexual marriage, I think the Devil overplayed his hand there. Now, all of a sudden, we have a frontal attack on the family, and the family is the fundamental unit of society. It is the very first institution that God created. As the family goes, so goes the nation.

Clay Christensen, Rafael Cruz, Dr. David R. Reagan, The Christ in Prophecy Journal 25 Comments [12/9/2015 3:35:38 PM]
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Quote# 115156

Visually, one can't help but compare the ranks in Triumph of the Will with images of row upon row of Muslim men prostrate in prayer. They all assume the exact same regimented poses at the exact same time. They kneel and then conspicuously elevate the one part of the human anatomy universally associated, through idiom and metaphor, with lower bodily functions.

[...]

The face, the anatomical feature most associated with emotion, thought, vision, awareness, communication, intimacy and expressiveness, the brow, the eyes, the lips, the nostrils, the mouth - the features we monitor to recognize, empathize with, heal, love, and know each other - is lowered to the very ground. The face, the one true map of human individuality, our unique anatomical signature, is denigrated as low as it can go. In Muslim prayer, and where women wear the veil, the face is eradicated. The face breathes dirt.

Danusha V. Goska, Frontpage Mag 20 Comments [12/9/2015 3:34:57 PM]
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Quote# 115154

[Regarding penis size]

Good one. Although penis size is not the outcome of one's life choices (unless you decide to chop it up or something :x) and vaginal tightness is absolutely the outcome of one's life choices. So they basically give us shit, for how nature made us - something we have no control over. There isn't THAT much we can do in this regard, while they can just not be sluts. They choose to be sluts anyway, though. Guess they just don't care.

CloverMuffins, r/MGTOW 28 Comments [12/9/2015 3:34:23 PM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 115153

[From an article titled, "5 Things President Obama Has Done to Destroy America":]

Five Major Areas of Decline

1. The Military

Besides what has been called the "gayification" of our Armed Forces, we've seen the undermining of religious expression among our military chaplains and officers. Lieutenant General (retired) William Boykin put it best, "If chaplains and other personnel are censored from offering the full solace of the gospel, there is no religious freedom in the military."

There have also been massive reductions in military personnel, leaving us dangerously vulnerable in the event of a crisis, plus military frustration at the highest level in decades. "There's a level of dissatisfaction among the uniformed military that I've never seen in my time here" said John McCain, Senate Armed Services Chairman.

For this I mourn.

2. Marriage and Family

President Obama's aggressive advocacy of the LGBTQ agenda has brought devastation to the traditional family. He endorsed gay marriage; violated young girls by forcing school districts to allow boys who identify as girls to have full access to the girl's locker room and showers; undermined the Defense of Marriage Act; celebrated the LGBTQ lifestyle by affirming people "coming out" and appointing unprecedented numbers of LGBTQ proponents to government positions; and, now endorses efforts to ban "conversion therapy" counseling for youth struggling with gay and transgender confusion.

President Obama has worked aggressively to transform marriage, sexuality, and our children into considering participation in the LGBTQ lifestyle as a normal, healthy sign of liberation!

His official White House website touts efforts to stop counseling young people struggling with same-sex attraction and transgenderism as "protecting America's youth."

For this I mourn.

3. Radical Islam and Terrorism

President Obama's timid approach to dealing with the menace of ISIS and other radical, Islamic jihadists is unbelievably reckless. Believing that we can somehow diminish their strength and effectively defeat these barbarians by ignoring them or downplaying their threat, strains credulity. Their growing threat coupled with the Iranian "nuclear deal" is bringing us to an apocalypse.

[...]

For this I also mourn.

4. The Economy and National Debt

[...]

[O]ur president keeps spending, raising the debt limit, promising entitlements, all the while adding almost as much debt as all previous American presidents combined. And don't forget he conveys how our economy is booming while conveniently ignoring over 90 million people not in the workforce; 50 million on food stamps; Obamacare premiums skyrocketing; and, the inevitable day of reckoning drawing near. "Time is running out. Get ready for a roller coaster ride through hell!" warns economic forecaster Larry Edelson.

[...]

For this I likewise mourn.

5. Illegal Immigration and Prisoner Release

President Obama refuses to enforce laws concerning the massive influx of illegal immigrants into our country, knowing these are grateful, potential Democratic voters! The majority is Hispanic but there are Muslims as well. Europe is being overrun by the immigrant crisis and what is happening there will be our lot in 10 years unless new leadership acts swiftly, legally and compassionately.

Have you noticed some signs of the times? Hamtramck Michigan City Council now has a Muslim majority. Washington, D.C. joins other locales in giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Our president also believes in leniency and amnesty for drug felons. Almost 50% of the inmates in federal penitentiaries serving time for drug offenses are now having their sentences automatically reduced.

[...]

The reality is that 75% of these individuals are violent criminals. Their "mistakes" consist not merely of smoking a casual joint but distribution of hard drugs, often involving gangs and weaponry. Their felony convictions resulted in many of the 44,000 who die from drug overdoses each year. Consider also the scores of young people getting addicted, families being destroyed and children now executed in drug gang wars like the nine-year-old boy a week ago.

Are these harmless, victimless crimes and simply minor "mistakes?" Or is this an example of misguided "mercy" that likewise brings in new Democratic voters? Read "Obama's Tragic Let 'em Out Fantasy" (WSJ 10/25/15) to learn more.

Yes, for this I also mourn.

Larry Tomczak, Larry Tomczak Ministries Inc. 14 Comments [12/9/2015 3:31:56 PM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 115152

But I wanted to say, I think we need to look at how we define rape, and why it's a crime. Firstly, it has to do with general consent, yeah? If someone pushes you against your will, it's assault, if they do something sexual to you against your will it's sexual assault. But in the first case, we presume consent. If someone carries you drunk from a party while you're passed out, you don't generally sue them for assault and kidnapping, whereas if they touch you up, you can have them convicted as a sex offender. So why?
Well, sex is supposed to be special. It can be good, and amazing, and emotionally uplifting...but when it's bad, it can be a whole lot worse than physical assault. That's two ends of a pretty large spectrum though.
Lets go back to the case where someone carries you, drunk, from a party. Lets say they too are drunk, and they drop you. You might get some bruises, might even break something if you're unlucky. Then you might sue. But if you wake up with no memories and no pain, that's no problem, right? So why should it be different with sexual assault? If I woke up after a party in no pain and no memories, I would have no problem with someone having touched me up - after all, it wouldn't have harmed me, right?
So what was different in the case discussed above? The media. The damage wasn't to the girl (she didn't contract any infections, nor was she hurt as far as we know), but to her image. She wasn't harmed by being fingered, but by people knowing she got blind drunk with strange guys who took advantage of her.
And that's why I think this case isn't rape. That's why I don't think lots of 'rapes' men are convicted for are truly rape, because often (despite the fact that sex is seen as 'special' and outside the realm of normal logic) there's no harm done. And a rape conviction does a hell of a lot more harm to the guy than the sexual assault itself. I'm sure lots of people will disagree, but I don't think someone's feelings about their reputation should be put on a par with other people's entire futures. Rape convictions do more damage than rape. That's why lots of women don't report it, because really, most women are more just than the law.

clover, judgybitch 23 Comments [12/9/2015 3:30:23 PM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Menomaru

Quote# 115150

So two of the boys involved in the Steubenville “rape” case were found guilty and will now face imprisonment and a lifetime membership on the Registered List of Sex Offenders. That is a tragedy for the boys, for justice and for the victims of actual rape. As we go through this case, ask yourself who benefits from this verdict, and why.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/17/justice/ohio-steubenville-case/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

Most of the facts in this case seem relatively incontrovertible: a young woman, who was not part of the regular social group, went to a football party, in a town mad for football, got trashed out of her mind, voluntarily accompanied two of the biggest football stars to another party, passed out and then got treated like a whore.

http://judgybitch.com/2012/12/18/a-shit-faced-drunk-girl-a-football-star-and-a-vigilante-feminist-the-makings-of-a-fairy-tale/

In a moment of mind-numbing stupidity, the boys opted to film their “assault” on the girl, which involved fingering her while she was passed out. Rather than leave her in a ditch somewhere, they carried her around to different locations, none of which had any adult supervision.

What the fuck, Steubenville? Where are all the goddamn grown-ups?

The law in Ohio states that ANY penetration, however slight, constitutes rape. Let’s start there. Comparing a stupid, drunk, helmet-chasing whore who gets fingered while passed out to an actual rape victim is completely and utterly absurd.

This is rape:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/indian-gang-rape-victim-dies-hospital_n_2377717.html

So is this:

http://haysfreepress.com/2012/05/07/florida-man-extradited-in-hays-county-brutal-rape-case/#axzz2NtuPnHlh

And this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_Jogger_case



Now, the girl in Steubenville is claiming she didn’t actually drink all that much, and someone must have drugged her! Toxicology tests? NEGATIVE.

Oh my! You mean she’s a lying little tramp desperately trying to avoid ANY culpability for what happened to her? Well color me shocked.

Defense attorneys say a toxicology report performed a day later showed no signs of drugs.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/steubenville-rape-trial-witness-testifies-recording-alleged-assault/story?id=18738378

The most telling thing about this whole case is that multiple people saw the little tramp passed out and carried about by a couple of douchey guys, and make no mistake, those boys behaved shamefully. Part of having the adulation and admiration that comes along with being a small town football star is not to abuse that power when the little gold-digging status whores come a-calling, and those boys failed.

Punishment > Crime

That girl had no friends at the party, not one person had enough respect for her to step in, she was not part of the social tribe and there is no way in hell she did not know that. She went to that party to nab herself a football player, and lo and behold, the football players didn’t really like such an obvious grasp at their glory.

Find yourself another wagon to hitch to, little star.



The saddest thing is that the boys sobbingly admit that they ruined her life! They are accused of having “no moral code”! Oh, and the girl had an impeccable one, did she?

RUINED HER LIFE?!?!

Are you fucking kidding me? They are going to jail! They will be registered sex offenders! They are convicted criminals! One night of behaving like assholes will follow them the rest of their lives, and HER LIFE IS RUINED!!

Her life is not ruined in the slightest. LittleTramp is free to go about her life, getting as drunk as she likes, chasing after any high-status males she likes, and securing criminal convictions against men who treat her like the whore she is.



God help the varsity athletes at whatever college campus she ends up on, and no doubt LittleTramp will get back on her feet after suffering a little humiliation and continue on with her life because SHE’S RUINED.

The young men in this case will never escape the disgustingly unfair consequences of a night of acting like dicks, while the young woman will carry on, unless she feels she isn’t getting quite enough sympathy, of course. Cue the Prozac and therapy!


You know what we need? We need a Drunk Whore Registry. If sex offenders are registered for the protection of all women, then why not register drunk whores for the protection of all men? It’s true that men could protect themselves by not acting like dicks, but combine small-town celebrity with lots of alcohol and no adult supervision, and you WILL get men acting like assholes and women acting like sluts.

When we only punish one side on that equation, we have a serious cultural problem. Men are held to account for their irresponsible decisions made while young and stupid and drunk, but women are not? Most crimes acknowledge explicitly that mitigating circumstances create different categories of crime with correspondingly progressive punishments. Why is rape different?

The punishment these boys face, which will be in effect for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES is way out of proportion to the “crime”. The definition of rape in Ohio is so broadly defined that the act of being a dickhead is now as serious as the act of fucking a woman forcibly and against her will. And if you don’t think there is a material difference between getting fingered and getting fucked, you are probably a feminist.

Getting drunk and chasing after football stars demonstrates level of stupidity and disrespect for the humanity of the men in question (who are valued only for their status), and that disrespect was returned. But only the boys are held responsible for that.

I say bullshit. No one got raped in Steubenville. Someone got humiliated, and she participated willingly and readily in her own humiliation. Turning stupid decisions made by high-school students into criminal acts with consequences that will follow only ONE party for their rest of their lives is deeply unfair, and when fingering a slut at an alcohol fuelled party is put in the same category as violent sexual assault, the real victims are drowned in a chorus of pathetic mewlings of women who didn’t get to bag the star.

Who thinks that if the young woman had woken up the next morning next to the football player, his arms wrapped around her in a loving embrace, she would have considered that the price she had to pay to land the big fish?


Steubenville: sour fucking grapes.



Not just sour, bitter, too. But only for the men.

How is that justice? Who is served when those boys are locked up? Who is protected? Who wins? How ironic is it that the adults who were NOT present to lend some sanity to what their own children were up to are now fully involved to make certain only the boys are punished?

People make stupid decisions. Especially when they are young. They act like idiots. They treat other people with a lack of respect. They behave shamefully. It happens. Holding boys, and only boys responsible, moves justice from being blind to being blatantly sexist. When justice can only see one sex as guilty, it’s time to put out her eyes again.


Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Lots of love,

JB

Judgybitch, JudgyBitch 38 Comments [12/9/2015 3:29:06 PM]
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Quote# 115145

Demons can try to insert their own thoughts into your mind. (Read this to see an example of this happening between me and my husband: https://dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/this-is-satan-attacking-us/ ) They can whisper into your ear and then reach your mind, and they can make it sound like they are your own thoughts, but they are not. You do not have to accept them as your own! Whenever you get hit with those thoughts, rebuke the demons by say out loud that they are not yours, they are satan’s, and you then cast out those demons in the name of Jesus. Say some scripture out loud as well. (Scripture causes the demons to curl up in pain, and they are then quicker to be removed.) If you are with people, then whisper it under your breath. You do not need to yell with the demons, they hear whispers just as clear as they do a regular voice. (Yelling would be counter productive, for they would then know you are upset, and they like you being upset.) You do however, need to be firm, for they can sense when one does not believe in what they are saying and claiming. FAITH! If they keep pestering you, call out for Jesus and ask Him to surround you with His angels, and to fight your battles in the unseen world. Keep doing this until you get relief. Blood-bought believers in Jesus Christ have the legal right to cast out such thought attack demons (as well as their seeds of thoughts,) in the name of Jesus. The demons MUST go! The bible refers to attacks as “the fiery darts of the wicked one.” (Ephesians 6:16 “above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.”) Some people have found it helpful to speak in tongues, to stop such thoughts in progress. (All believers can speak in tongues. We may not understand it, but God certainly does!) It has also been a benefit to some, to bless ones’self with blessed olive oil, while casting out any thought demons in the name of Jesus.

As far as your Business, I do not know what it is or what it does so I can not say. Is it against the word of God somehow? (A tattoo parlor, for example, would be against God’s word.) One thing to keep in mind, is that you might want to go through your business just as if it was your home, and clear it out of all cursed items. (See https://dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com/seeking-deliverance/ for the links on how to bless the land and cleanse the home.) It sounds like the boundaries between the demons and you need to be strengthened. When we blessed our land with the new wine and blessed olive oil, we found that the demons could no longer get in to where we were to attack us. Blessing your place of work and of home and the land around them, as well as getting rid of any cursed items, should help.

dunamis, dream of dunamis 20 Comments [12/9/2015 4:07:07 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: undie not fundie

Quote# 115142

[Re. "The Passion of the Christ"]

My husband, unknown to me at the time, decided to send our kids to one of the local churches, on the night that they decided to show this movie. When the violence began, my kids watched as the demons came out of the movie screen, and began to circle around in the theatre, looking for those they could attack. My children were horrified, as they watched these demons enter into their friends and attack them. They ran out of the church theatre crying, and had nightmares for many days afterwards. (Until I realized what had happened and then cast those nightmare-causing demons out of them. Then they slept fine.) We were called to come and pick them up, and were treated as if our children were somehow less of a real believer than the other kids who remained in the theatre.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 25 Comments [12/9/2015 3:59:48 AM]
Fundie Index: 12

Quote# 115141

Shortly after Rahm become mayor of Chicago, a 26-foot statue of a sleazy whore named Marilyn Monroe was erected downtown for tourists to lust upon. This stature is symbolic of the prevalence of sin in Chicago. It's not mere coincidence that the biggest cities are becoming the most immoral. It's always been that way. Even in the days of Abraham and Lot, it was the cities where people congregated that sin was at its worst. The most wicked places in America are its big cities; namely, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Boston, Houston, Miami. I couldn't believe that Miami, Florida is now 74% Hispanic and hardly anyone can speak English. They're all illegal immigrants!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 29 Comments [12/9/2015 3:59:38 AM]
Fundie Index: 15

Quote# 115137

On Monday, November 30th, Maryam Namazie, a plain-spoken critic of Islamism and tireless advocate for ex-Muslims, gave a speech organised by the Goldsmiths Athiest, Secularist and Humanist society. Earlier that day, the Islamic society at Goldsmiths University objected to her right to give the speech, citing that her alleged Islamophobia is in violation of the safe space policy at the university. Her speech went ahead. Or, should I say, started ahead – for during her speech, Namazie was constantly interrupted and heckled and abused by members of the Islamic society. It was thuggery befitting fascists. What was the response to this by the feminist society and LGBTQ society? Essentially: intolerant and thuggish fascists need safe spaces too.

According to the feminist society:

Goldsmiths Feminist Society stands in solidarity with Goldsmiths Islamic Society. We support them in condemning the actions of the Atheist, Secularist and Humanist Society and agree that hosting known islamophobes at our university creates a climate of hatred.

Maryam Namazie is a “known islamophobe” only to the ignorant or those who conflate criticism of Islam and hatred of Islamism with hatred of Muslims. In other words, she is a bigot to those who essentially support blasphemy law.

According to Goldsmiths LGBTQ society:

Following recent events on- and offline, we would like to state and show our solidarity with the sisters and brothers of our Goldsmiths ISOC society.

We condemn AHS and online supporters for their islamophobic remarks, attitudes, and harassment. If they feel intimidated, we urge them to look at the underpinnings of their ideology. We find that personal and social harm enacted in the name of ‘free speech’ is foul, and detrimental to the wellbeing of students and staff on campus.

We hope this series of events prompts reflection in all parties involved, but also onlookers. Allyship consists of apologies, bearing with and deconstructing discomfort, respecting the necessary privacy of safer spaces, and opening our hearts to humans unlike ourselves.

Before examining the underpinnings of the Atheist and Humanist society ideology, one should first examine Goldsmiths' Islamic Society.

In 2011, they invited to speak at their annual dinner Abdurraheem Green and Hamza Tzortzis. Green believes that a husband is permitted to beat his wife if she misbehaves, and that homosexuality should not be permitted in society; Tzortzis has supported child-marriage.

In 2014, Goldsmiths Islamic society invited Cage Prisoners – a group whose dalliance with terrorism and extremism is well-documented. CAGE has supported a wide range of Islamist terrorists – from Abu Hamza to Anwar al-Awlaki. The deputy director of CAGE, Asim Qureshi, has twice refused when interviewed on TV to answer whether he thinks adulterers should be stoned to death.

(London University) Goldsmiths Feminist, Islamic and LGBTQ Societies , Tom Owolade  21 Comments [12/9/2015 3:38:42 AM]
Fundie Index: 22

Quote# 115135

Since the development of the feminist movement, women have been systematically brainwashed into believing that the role of wife and mother is not only demeaning in itself, but it is also an insult to her highly functional brain. Generally speaking, it's an embarrassment for a modern woman to say that she doesn't work, or that she didn't graduate college, or that she's a dreaded stay-at-home mom, God forbid.

[...]

I believe that the theme of self-empowerment is yet a further attack on the woman, and here's why. To me, self-empowerment implies a certain defensiveness; a need to be ready to stand up against... well, what, exactly? It seems to me that this term creates a subconscious need to be ready to stand up to a man! Not in the way of physical defense, but in the way of mental defense; as if the male gender is constantly ruling over the female gender in a domineering way.

[...]

The self-empowerment mentality thus creates not only a mental and subsequent emotional divide between women and men, but it creates a mentality of "attack before you're attacked" in women. This could definitely lead to all kinds of strains in marriage, if a girl is raised with such a mentality and finds that her husband is more the traditional type (if such a thing even exists anymore.)

Here's another aspect of this problem. The idea of self-empowerment goes along with phrases such as "be a go-getter" and "come out of your shell." Newsflash, people. Girls, by nature, are more docile, quiet, reserved, and shy than boys! That's the way Hashem made us! What's the problem with being a shy, quiet girl who doesn't try to get everyone's attention?

[...]

Hashem, in His infinite wisdom, created a perfect system of balance. By nature, women are more quiet, reserved, and home-oriented. But look what we have done with nature. We have perverted it into a nature where women are expected to act like men.

[...]

It's time to toss the anti-Torah life values to the trash, and start living the way Hashem intended for us. If we listen to the timeless advice of the Torah, I have no doubt that everyone, not only women, will be not only self-empowered, but incredibly fulfilled as well.

Racheli Reckles, Breslev.co.il 21 Comments [12/9/2015 3:32:41 AM]
Fundie Index: 9

Quote# 115133

["The US Constitution is crap and the writers belong in hell. That’s a solid position. Good luck with that."]

The framers endorsed slavery.

Yeah, they're evil even the non-slave owners. They created the conditions for the civil war. The civil war that the evil south won after the 10 year armistice.

Yeah, the 9th circle is fitting for the evil Framers. There are plenty of Americans to hang out with. Too bad they won, black people would have been freed sooner.

Fuck the framers & their white working class suckers, still suckers today.

a2nite, Daily Kos 34 Comments [12/9/2015 3:30:22 AM]
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Quote# 115130

J-Mom: I am one of the most open-minded culturally of all of the people I know, but I do not trust anyone who professes to be a Muslim because I have yet to hear them speak out against any of these violent acts. Shameful. They love hear, are treated well and we allow it- yet all of the hardworking Jewish-Christian immigrants form Mexico and other Central American countries who respect thee American values are treated like dogs is incomprehensible. What the he** is wrong with our government. I've never been an alarmist (until now). I'm truly scared at what may be planned over the Jewish-Christian holiday season. Get them out of the country now unless they profess publicly their loyalty to the US and its laws and freedoms for all faith.

Cheryl: The only problem I have with your argument is that I would be unable to trust their public avowal to loyalty to the United States because the Koran and their imams make it clear that it is perfectly all right to lie to infidels if it enables them to further the spread of Islam. Therefore, all their vows would be unbelievable. We have to do something. We have a cancer among us, and these people know our weaknesses, two of which are our political correctness and an unwillingness to do to them what we did to Japanese Americans during World War II. They consider the West pansies. They revere death, while we revere life. The only way to put an end to this is brute force for that's the only thing the practitioners of Islam understand.

Jack's Mommy and Cheryl, Yahoo! Comments 18 Comments [12/9/2015 3:29:50 AM]
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Quote# 115129

Islam is a criminal racket, pure and simple. It was conceived by a cadre of warlords – I am skeptical that “mohammed” even existed – as a pure scam to muster an army, seize landmass and capital, both physical and human, assert political power, levy taxes and amass enormous wealth as oligarchs. Oh, and also get as much freaky, perverted sex as the oligarchs wanted. Interestingly, the word “mohammed” was not only a proper name, but also an honorific title. I suspect that these warlords fanned out and were called “mohammed” by their respective gestapo toadies as a title/honorific, and the name stuck and was used as the fake “biography” of “the prophet of islam” when it was written over 100 years later. Then, stories were passed down throughout the Arabian peninsula of ancestors having seen “mohammed”, who was, in fact, just one of these numerous warlord oligarchs.

The warlord oligarchs – perhaps we should call them “the mohammeds” – drew on local pagan, Jewish and Christian themes and motifs in order to give their evil scam the whiff of legitimacy that comes with religion qua religion. One of the key things they did was to “simplify” three core revealed truths of Christianity, or mysteries, in order to appeal to the masses: they deny that God is Triune, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Because that’s HAAAAAAAARD. Who can understand that? You don’t actually expect us to believe that bullshit, do you? (Sound familiar?) Next, as an obvious corollary to denying the Trinity, they deny the Incarnation of Jesus Christ as True God and True Man. Because that’s HAAAAAAAARD. Who can understand that? You don’t actually expect us to believe that bullshit, do you? (Sound familiar?) And as a final corollary, they deny the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Because that’s HAAAAAAAARD. Who can understand that? You don’t actually expect us to believe that bullshit, do you? (Sound familiar?)

And then, kill everyone, especially the people of the book (Jews) and the idolators (Christians – the term “idolator” is a direct attack on the Eucharist). But really, just kill everyone who doesn’t join up so that the oligarch warlords can seize those assets and landmass, and rape the cute ones.

It really is that simple. To approach islam in a scholarly way as a development of an actual Christian heresy is utterly ridiculous. It is like having a serious Catholic scholar dedicate his life to studying Mormonism or Scientology as “Christian heresies”. Um, Mormonism and Scientology are pure, straight-up racketeering enterprises, founded by psychopathic arch criminals. The absurdity of “studying” the “theology” of either racket cannot be quantified. Both criminal enterprises were set up in order to amass money, power and sex for the upper-echelon oligarchs. The pathetic attempts at religion are nothing more than a pose for the gullible – a facade so thin I describe it as sticking a piece of wet toilet paper to the wall. Wet, DIRTY toilet paper. (Ew. Right?)

Also falling into this category, but inside the Church Itself, is the satanic cancer called “The Legionaries of Christ” and its arm, “Regnum Christi”. Or as I refer to it, “The Evil Sex Cult”. The Legion of Christ / Regnum Christi was founded, like islam, mormonism and Scientology by a psychopathic archcriminal named Marcial Maciel Degollado, who was a Mexican priest. This piece of shit was a DRUG ADDICT BISEXUAL INCESTUOUS PEDOPHILE RAPIST. Yeah. He spent his entire life conning stupid, wealthy, oftentimes politically connected women out of their money (think John Edwards-Bunny Mellon), and screwing pretty much everything with a pulse, including his own children both male and female. He recruited other psychopaths into the oligarchy to share in his work of fleecing stupid and/or morally depraved rich and/or influential people with the promise of decadent living and unlimited sex (especially with pretty-boy seminarians!), while imprisoning and psychologically abusing thousands upon thousands of young people over the years in one of the most transparently obvious brainwashing cults of the last century – and the 20th century had some real doozies. I could go on, but bottom line and a stern warning from me in these incredibly dark days in the Church, NEVER EVER HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LEGION OF CHRIST OR REGNUM CHRISTI. The whole evil mess should be suppressed, disbanded and liquidated, the empty shell burned to the ground, and then the earth where it stood should be salted and plowed. And then, all of the kingpins should be arrested and tried under the RICO statutes (or local equivalent) and imprisoned. The fact that this cancerous crime syndicate operates INSIDE the Church makes the crime that much more severe. Maciel used the complete legitimacy of The One True Church to imbue legitimacy upon his criminal cult – not merely coopting themes and motifs. This is why he has been called perhaps the greatest ecclesiastical villain since Judas Iscariot. But back to the original iteration of the evil sex, power and money cult, islam.

To “study” islam as anything other than the criminal enterprise that it is and always has been is to give it a false legitimacy that does nothing to advance the REAL goal, which is its utter, complete extermination from the face of the earth, and as soon as possible. We must stop this drive by the academia – especially the Christian academia trying to prove itself “ecumenical” and “tolerant”- to wallow in these ridiculous mental masturbations, and start calling this monstrosity for what it is – an obvious, transparent criminal racket AND NOTHING MORE. If you want to study islam as a “heresy”, you will be engaging in something every bit as ridiculous as studying the “space alien gods” of Mormonism, the “space alien volcano ghosts” of Scientology, and the personal piety and sanctity of Marcial Maciel and his money and sex grubbing henchmen and their sordid, fetid “(bowel)Movement”.

Ann Barnhardt , Barnhardt.biz 19 Comments [12/9/2015 3:29:39 AM]
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Quote# 115126

[On the argument in the UK about whether to extend bombing of ISIS to Syria]

Benn even had the unbelievable gall to say this:

‘And it is why as we have heard tonight socialists and trade unionists and others joined the international brigade in the 1930s to fight against Franco. It’s why this entire House stood up against Hitler and Mussolini. It is why our party has always stood up against the denial of human rights and for justice. And my view is that we must now confront this evil. It is now time for us to do our bit in Syria and that is why I ask my colleagues to vote for this motion tonight.’

To call this playing fast and loose with the facts does not even begin to describe what Benn has done here. The ‘socialists and trade unionists and others’ who crossed the Pyrenees put their own lives on the line, something that today’s armchair bombardiers would never dream of doing.

It is a very different matter to go unarmed to fight for a country and a people you have never seen, knowing that you may never come back, than it is to stand up in parliament and describe a bombing campaign as an act of socialist internationalism. .

Some brigaders fought in defense of the Spanish Republic because they supported the Spanish revolution; others did so because they regarded Spain as a frontline in the coming war against fascism. But their efforts were actively undermined by the British and French governments, who used the Non-Intervention Pact to cut off military support to the Republic even when they knew that Franco was being armed to the teeth by Italy and Germany.

To evoke the international brigades in support of Cameron’s bombing campaign requires real audacity, bad faith, and an indifference to history or the political realities of the 21st century. Benn does not even seem to realize that the jihadist movement that ultimately spawned Daesh is far closer to the spirit of internationalism and solidarity that drove the International Brigades than Cameron’s bombing campaign – except that the international jihad takes the form of solidarity with oppressed Muslims, rather than the working class or the socialist revolution.

Matt Carr, Stop The War Coalition  11 Comments [12/9/2015 3:27:43 AM]
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Quote# 115125

The saddest thing about the WW3 is there is no more good America. It's just struggles among the villains and the greedy, producing victims. Secularism's godless senselessness won't be cured overnight; the secular West has been blaspheming too much for people to regain true selfless goodness. If people do not value everyone's human life equally, safety or peace is not possible. With an official war or without, people need Jesus for salvation everywhere.

Grace Kim Kwon, The Christian Post 15 Comments [12/9/2015 3:27:12 AM]
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Quote# 115124

American Christians have massive amounts of thundering power and evil Obama knows it. He can punish, call names and target all he wants but millions of believing prayers of Christians, standing on God’s promises and Psalm 91 protection are flying to heaven daily. No EMT or Nuclear attack can stop prayer. No police force, Internment camp, Tax or health trap can stop prayer. No contrived Global Warming tax can dent our prayer armour. Keep bringing it Obama and be very afraid. God is in complete control and you are not.

You well meaning people who think you are all spiritual and enlightened who worship symptoms, bad people’s resumes, and historical ‘common sense’ had better get out of the way because you are about to see the real glory and power of the living Lord of the Holy Bible. God has a huge believing remnant in America and will protect us, empower us and use us in mighty ways. We believe in His promises and praise Him in advance for what is coming. Mock us….talk dirt about us but get ready folks.

Remember, when Moses (Exodus 34: 6) was approached by God. God didn’t say his best attributes were, Holiness, brilliance, power or perfection. God said his shining achievements were mercy, love, slowness to anger, graciousness and faithfulness. Pay attention to God’s own words you people who daily plan our demise or give more power to Obama than God himself. God thinks that mercy and love are His big guns.

Join me daily in praying for the protection of our country at the hands of Obama and his agenda. Pray that our Lord in His love, brilliance and organizational skills sets up core leaders in the House, Senate and all 50 states to bring America to where it should be morally, economically and as a real light on a hill. Pray that God delivers His appointed person to the White House in 2016, one who believes and serves Him, who loves this country, has ability, real ideas and guts. Someone who will put their hand in God’s and crush evil and sell out at every turn.

You can believe what ever you want to, but I believe that God is going to deliver America in a big way. This will be in response to His bold plan and answer to millions of prayers. I believe He will put in a rogue, wild card President, unlike anything America has seen before and that this will set in stage our restoration. Trump has experienced plenty of grace and forgiveness in his life along with mountains of achievement. He is the first to say that God has gotten a hold of him and he has changed. Political talk – political manipulation….I don’t think so. He is also proud of America, very talented with truckloads of great ideas for jobs and the economy. The beautiful part is he is not for sale.

I may be wrong, but I think Trump is God’s outside the box answer for a time such as this to take on the forces of hell and win. Pray and believe for America. We aren’t over yet.

Tami Jackson, BarbWire  23 Comments [12/9/2015 3:27:04 AM]
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Quote# 115123

Let’s see if I can come up with something that will offend as many people as possible. . . ..
AS it can be shown that most “mass” shootings are connected with some form of mental disturbance or illness. . . .
AND it can be shown that many, many forms of mental illness/disturbance are connected to Libtardism (“progressivism”) and/or religious fanaticism. (I leave it as an exercise for the readers to show the chain between Libtardism and religious fanaticism, with The State being the Libtard’s religion of choice).
SINCE State Religion Libtardism, and Islam jihadism seem to be the primary culprits in these current spate of mass shootings,
THEN restrict the purchasing of guns from Libtards and muzzies.
TO MAKE a list of either/both:
IF you have voted DemonRat in both of the last two FedGov elections (i.e., O’Bozo), THEN you’re a Libtard, and will NOT be allowed to buy guns.
IF you attend mosque on even a semi-regular basis, THEN you’re a muzzie, and THEREFORE a potential jihadist, and will NOT be allowed to buy guns.

And once you’re on the Restricted List, good luck getting yourself off of it. (I figure what’s sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. And if the DemonRats want to get THEIR Favorite Children off the Restricted List, then they will fix that system, so that the innocent will also be able to get themselves off the List).


B Woodman, This Ain't Hell 33 Comments [12/8/2015 4:20:03 AM]
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Submitted By: tipsyGnostalgic

Quote# 115118

"While there is no medical evidence that racism is toxic to those who express it — after all, generations of wealthy slave owners survived quite nicely — the combination of downward mobility and racial resentment may be a potent invitation to the kind of despair that leads to suicide in one form or another, whether by gunshots or drugs. You can’t break a glass ceiling if you’re standing on ice."

That last sentence sounds like a threat, Mrs. Ehrenreich. The insinuation that racial resentment is “toxic” is the worst kind of insult to the most maligned ethno-social class in the US today: the working class white.

Why is it that when blacks are encouraged to nurse a sense of racial grievance and entitlement their lifespan increases, while whites who are denounced for any such sentiment die earlier? Is it because what you call “racism” is toxic? No, I don’t think so. Ethnic cohesion and group identity is obviously healthy. Deny it to people, and they become weaker and sicker.

But here you are giving people poison pills and calling it a cure. It’s time we started calling it as it is: you have blood on your hands, woman. You are a “willing executioner.” And there’s plenty more where that came from.

Bill P, Unz 16 Comments [12/8/2015 4:10:11 AM]
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Quote# 115117

For that matter, I very definitely do look down on strippers, hookers, pimps, pornographers and the like. If that makes me an "elitist," then I'll proudly plead guilty as charged. (In case you hadn't noticed, a substantial streak of elitism pervades this whole forum. How many normal men are going to pay $1,000 or more for a pair of shoes if it doesn't make them feel, well, "elite"?)

In an ideal world, blood and race shouldn't count, but they do! I would certainly do my best to intervene if white men were trying to commit an outrage against a black woman, but if I witnessed the reverse and it were black men assaulting a white woman, my visceral horror and outrage would be even greater, I must confess. If this makes me a wicked racist, so be it, but I think it is human nature to identify more with your own kind, especially in matters like this.

, I think the operative words are "who strip for a living." Frankly, I do think any woman who chooses to "strip for a living" is automatically someone of questionable character to take up an inherently sordid occupation. Virtuous women generally find other means to make their way through the world. I am sure that there are some decent women who are strippers. Many, I know from experience, can be pleasant, engaging, fun women. Most are not prostitutes, but they are part of the demi-monde and only a notch or two up from prostitutes.

Moreover--and I am going to be very politically incorrect here--I will say that if a woman does choose to enter among a crowd of drunken young males, removes all (or nearly all) her clothes and dances about suggestively, she is willingly and knowingly assuming a very considerable risk that she may encounter some sort of indignities. Does this justify her being raped? Of course not! But it does to my mind mitigate the horror of it considerably in comparison to an assault on some woman innocently going about her business. I will say that at nearly all the strip clubs I visited in my younger days--and I must confess I did enjoy them in my wayward youth--order was normally kept by some seven-foot-tall black guy who looked as if he could crush rocks in his bare hands, and I don't recall ever having seen any untoward behavior of any sort. The girlie bars always seemed like very peaceful places--everybody was too busy watching the girls to make trouble.

JLibourel, Ask About Ya clothes 20 Comments [12/8/2015 4:10:01 AM]
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Quote# 115115

["A former NFL cheerleader is accused of following a 12-year-old boy into a bathroom, fondling his penis and offering to perform oral sex on him but she claims she's innocent because she 'thought he was a man"

"The boy told police that Garner asked him whether he'd 'ever been with a woman' before she tried to pull down him pants"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297148/Elizabeth-Garner-sex-assault-Ex-NFL-cheerleader-42-followed-12-year-old-boy-bathroom-fondled-penis-offered-oral-sex.html]


If that had been my kid, I'd have slapped him silly for being such a cowardly little pissant when propositioned by a woman of that quality.

The kid should just have knotted her lovely, long, blonde hair in his fist and exclaimed, "Whip some skull on me, bitch!"

Dammit all, why didn't things like that ever happen me--not when I was 12, nor when I was 18, nor yet in the prime of my life? I like to think I was a pretty good specimen of manhood in my day, but I never even had an ugly fat broad attempt something like that.

On a slightly more serious note, I've had a few friends who were initiated by older women when they were about 12 or 13. All of them seemed to enjoy the experience greatly, and if they were ever psychologically damaged by it, I sure couldn't discern it, and neither could they. One of the best involved an instance where a group of salesmen who worked for my friend's father sicced a whore on him for his 13th birthday, and then peeked as she administered a BJ. They said afterward the expression of mixed shock, delight and ecstasy on his face was priceless. He grew up to be a real devil with the ladies, I might add.


In my time, I knew a number of women who had gotten their cherries popped by their high school teachers. In those days, any youth who got it on with a mature woman (at least if she was halfway decent looking) wasn't considered "molested," much less "traumatized," he was damn lucky!

I never had a "hot" teacher after I was old enough to be interested in such matters. A couple of the instructresses I had in college were okay but not too memorable, but I did have glamorous movie star as my instructress in a couple of classics courses. This was Evelyn Venable, who was a real screen beauty in her day. Of course, by the time I studied under her, she was about 50, which seemed almost ancient from my 20-year-old perspective. (Of course, 50 looks pretty good to me these days, if well preserved.) She was a lovely, gracious, charming, genteel lady, I'll have to say.
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Jlibourel, Style Forum 33 Comments [12/8/2015 4:06:36 AM]
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Quote# 115113

The Bible Approves of Bestiality
…according to the logic of so-called “gay Christians.” You see, every argument that these people use to try and show that the Bible approves of homosexuality can be used in exactly the same way to support bestiality. Don’t believe me? Here’s a few examples:
The Levitical law condemns homosexuality, but that was for ancient Israel, not us today.
The Levitical law condemns bestiality, but that was for ancient Israel, not us today.
In the New Testament, we aren’t under the law anymore, so homosexuality is allowed.
In the New Testament, we aren’t under the law anymore, so bestiality is allowed.
Jesus said “judge not”, so you can’t judge people by calling homosexuality a sin.
Jesus said “judge not”, so you can’t judge people by calling bestiality a sin.
If homosexuality is a sin, why does homosexuality exist?
If bestiality is a sin, why does bestiality exist?
Jesus never explicitly condemned homosexuality, so it’s not wrong.
Jesus never explicitly condemned bestiality, so it’s not wrong.
The word “homosexual” isn’t even in the King James Bible, so it can’t possibly condemn it.
The word “bestiality” isn’t even in the King James Bible, so it can’t possibly condemn it.
God only made Adam and Eve in the beginning because they needed to have children and start the human race. Now that we have billions of people on earth, homosexuality is allowed.
God only made Adam and Eve in the beginning because they needed to have children and start the human race. Now that we have billions of people on earth, bestiality is allowed.
And on, and on, and on, ad nauseam.
Now, if you’re starting to get alarmed, don’t worry. The Bible absolutely 100% condemns bestiality as a horrible sin, just as it condemns homosexuality. Read more about that here. (note: that doesn’t mean Christians should hate homosexuals. Or, you know.. people who like animals)
So next time a “gay Christian” tries to convince you that the Bible doesn’t really say homosexuality is a sin, ask them to explain to you exactly how their argument works for homosexuality, but not bestiality. Have fun.
Leviticus 18:22-23–“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.”
Disclaimer (because some people need extra special clarification): I’m not saying homosexuality and bestiality are the same thing. They’re not. I am saying they’re both sins.

ExaltGod's Stamps, tumblr 72 Comments [12/8/2015 4:05:30 AM]
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