Quote# 106286

[In response to a post claiming that Katy Perry and the NFL were promoting lesbianism at the Superbowl]

it's not lesbianism that's the problem, it's the bisexual agenda that lets women be anything they want to be.... if men jump the fence they become gay, but it's generally abhorrent to most males... they are either gay or straight.... women can and will float in the middle with even a small amount of persuasion.... I kissed a girl and I liked it, openly encourages women to get down and dirty with each other... it's not the same as men turning gay.... it's far more messy....

this makes them hyper sexualized sluts, both with each other and with men.... it shuts men out from innocent dating and stable relationships and by the time a girl is in her early 20s, she already has a closet full of sex toys and carnal knowledge of 10+ BFFs.... and a bunch of men too...... any young man trying to compete with that is automatically a beta (or a full blown gangster pimp)....

you end up with a ghetto attitude towards sex, where it's only about hedonistic fucking and pleasure, something Dante talks about in his trip through hell....

Ray Wolfson, Return of Kings 32 Comments [2/10/2015 3:55:21 AM]
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Quote# 106285

[In response to Katy Perry singing at the Superbowl]

I kissed a girl should not be sung by a woman in a super bowl halftime show. This is blatant social engineering and the NFL should be ashamed for promoting lesbianism to the masses.

NeoBushi, Return of Kings 23 Comments [2/10/2015 3:28:12 AM]
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Quote# 106277

Was once interested in marrying a good Jewish woman and still am to some extent due to the belief that Hashem can turn one's fortunes around.

However since taking the Red Pill and realizing the depth of the Gynocentric Misandry that dominates much of the developed world where men now derive no benefit from marrying or cohabiting with women, whose hypergamy is now focused fighting each other over on the dwindling number of high-status or top 20% of men.

I struggle to reconcile with what the Torah says and the reality of marriage / relationships today where men stand to lose it all, unless they either live together separately and co-parent with women at best or remain single and opt for halakhic host surrogacy at worst since the opposite sex (backed by the state) has become a great liability for men to even associate with nowadays.

Recognizing my own relative lack of value or utility as one of the bottom 80% of men and observing the raw deal married or cohabiting men receive, along with the knowledge that women my age will likely accumulate even more baggage / bitterness towards men / debt as I grow older has for the past few years caused me to be extremely grateful to Hashem for allowing me to see the positives of being single and growing to become a man going his own way or a MGTOW.

Anonymous, Aish.com 67 Comments [2/9/2015 4:01:17 AM]
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Quote# 106272

The method of murder raises the chilling prospect that ISIS may have been influenced by the Twitter campaign, which used the Arabic hashtag #SuggestAWayToKillTheJordanianPilotPig to elicit ideas from the terror group's supporters.

In the days after Kassasbeh's capture - which occurred on December 24 when his F-16 fighter jet suffered mechanical problems and crash-landed close to Isis' Syrian stronghold and de facto capital Raqqa - militants used Twitter to crowd source ideas for his execution.

A film clip featuring a woman who claimed to be the mother of a Syrian man killed in a coalition airstrike suggested 'impalement, not with a mercy shooting or a mercy knife.'

Another horrific idea from a Twitter user calling himself Abu Ishaq Sophistication was to either place Kassasbeh in a tank and set it alight, or to use acupuncture needles dipped in acid to disfigure him, before cutting of his head and sending it head back to Jordan.

A second hashtag labelled #WeAllWantToSlaughterMoaz and carrying more brutal execution ideas and videos of children killed in coalition airstrikes, was retweeted over 11,000 times.

It is not known whether any of those taking part in the campaign - including the organisers of the hashtag - have any sway with the Isis leadership and whether any of the ideas influenced the eventual decision to murder Kassasbeh by burning him alive.

But what the horrific suggestions do show is the outrageous levels of barbarism and hatred among Isis' supporters, many of whom live in the West, far from the terror group's self-declared caliphate.

Islamic State supporters, The New Zealand Herald 23 Comments [2/9/2015 3:58:21 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 106267

[On the "marriage crisis":]

I think increase and or create a high tax for those who are single,especially males.Next thing to do is for the government to stimulate marriages by giving the new couples a free apartment, or something like that like for example a free 20 percent down payment,stimulate each other more when we see single man and woman around us try to make them meet and see if they can commit for marriage,and oh yeh government should stop helping pregnant woman that are not married,so they will think it would be good to be married and than have babies....

Sara, Aish.com 31 Comments [2/9/2015 3:57:48 AM]
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Quote# 106266

An atheist asked where God was, when a man was recently caged and set on fire by Muslim terrorists.

To answer this, we will have to set aside his atheistic worldview. He doesn't believe that this was evil, because we are all just random animals that came about by accident, and there’s therefore no ultimate right or wrong. This was merely typical of what happens thousands of times each day in the animal kingdom--the stronger of the species survives.

Let’s instead adopt the Christian worldview and believe that this was indeed evil. The atheist’s point then, is that if God is good and this was evil, He should have intervened with perhaps a bolt of lightning and killed the murderers before the murder took place.

While we are telling God what He should do, we should remind Him that over 400,000 people are murdered across the world each year. Many of those are by burning, drowning, suffocation, bombing, stabbing, shooting, strangling, poisoning, decapitation, and hammers to the head.

Then there are the “honor” killings of Islam, the Hindu wives who are burned alive with their dead husbands, vicious rapists, drunk drivers who slaughter the innocent, drug pushers, child molesters, and those who kill millions of babies through abortion each year. So it looks like if we get God to do something about evil, there’s going to be a lot of killing.

Actually, that’s His ultimate plan. He has set aside a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness. That will be a day of swift eternal justice that is going to be so thorough, the Bible warns it will also include all liars, thieves, adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals, and even every idle word we have spoken.

So be patient. Ultimate justice is coming. That’s why we need a Savior.

Ray Comfort, Ray Comfort's Facebook page 63 Comments [2/9/2015 3:57:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 106264

The MTF's are the Castrati, and that is how they've taken over matriarchal cultures and Goddess rites....the same with these days, compromising our women's spaces, places and colleges, unless they completely 'pass' and are on the 'downlow' with their identities. FTM's are like those who took on male roles in the past, by burying everything female about themselves, including the struggles all females go through, and treating them in the same virulently sexist ways men do.

MasterAmazon, The dirt from Dirt 21 Comments [2/8/2015 8:24:21 AM]
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Quote# 106263

I'd LOVE to go back to an all female college, like Mills, but I don't care to share that with either side of trans...and certainly not with those sporting beards, male attitudes and insisting on male pronouns. That has NOTHING to do with being Butch, and everything to do with copying men. When I came out the Butches were PROUD to be Female, Dykes, strong, liberated and most of all POWERFUL. Many had to overcome the shame of Lesbianism, until they hit the Lesbian movement, out of the bar scene where they no longer had to hate themselves...those lessons and the value of Lesbian only and women only space resonate with me today, and I'm glad to be going to two women's events, one strictly women only, the other female centered, this weekend!

The genderqueer and FTM's have done far more damage to women only space than anyone I've ever seen. The MTF's compromise it with their male attitudes and thinking, though they are desparately trying to pass as female, and 'fit in'. Some better than others...but the strident trans in either direction with the insistence of no female only bathrooms, sports teams, dorms, rooms, spaces or places, I have no use for....we STILL get discriminated against both as women, and as Lesbians, whether Butch or Femme. And Butches no longer have their very womonhood recognized...yet us Female Identified Butches are rising and taking back what is ours...

If you can't identify as FEMALE, then you DON'T BELONG IN WOMEN'S OR DYKE SPACES OR A WOMEN'S COLLEGE!

MasterAmazon, The dirt from Dirt 16 Comments [2/8/2015 8:24:16 AM]
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Quote# 106262

Children Have the Right to Be Loved by Their Mother and Father

Like most Americans, I am for adults having the freedom to live as they please. I unequivocally oppose criminalizing gay relationships. But defining marriage correctly criminalizes nothing. And the government’s interest in marriage is about the children that only male-female relationships can produce. Redefining marriage redefines parenthood. It moves us well beyond our “live and let live” philosophy into the land where our society promotes a family structure where children will always suffer loss. It will be our policy, stamped and sealed by the most powerful of governmental institutions, that these children will have their right to be known and loved by their mother and/or father stripped from them in every instance. In same-sex-headed households, the desires of the adults trump the rights of the child.

Have we really arrived at a time when we are considering institutionalizing the stripping of a child’s natural right to a mother and a father in order to validate the emotions of adults?

Justice Kennedy, I have long admired your consistency when ruling on the well-being of children, and I implore you to stay the course. I truly believe you are invested in the equal protection of all citizens, and it is your sworn duty to uphold that protection for the most vulnerable among us. The bonds with one’s natural parents deserve to be protected. Do not fall prey to the false narrative that adult feelings should trump children’s rights. The onus must be on adults to conform to the needs of children, not the other way around.

This is not about being against anyone. This is about what I am for. I am for children! I want all children to have the love of their mother and their father. Being for children also makes me for LGBT youth. They deserve all the physical, social, and emotional benefits of being raised by their mother and father as well. But I fear that, in the case before you, we are at the mercy of loud, organized, well-funded adults who have nearly everyone in this country running scared.

Six adult children of gay parents are willing to stand against the bluster of the gay lobby and submit amicus briefs for your consideration in this case. I ask that you please read them. We are just the tip of the iceberg of children currently being raised in gay households. When they come of age, many will wonder why the separation from one parent who desperately mattered to them was celebrated as a “triumph of civil rights,” and they will turn to this generation for an answer.

What should we tell them?

Katy Faust, The Public Discourse 48 Comments [2/8/2015 8:23:47 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 106261

Dear Justice Kennedy,

June is nigh, and with it will come your ruling on the most contentious political issue of our time: marriage.

I write because I am one of many children with gay parents who believe we should protect marriage. I believe you were right when, during the Proposition 8 deliberations, you said “the voice of those children [of same-sex parents] is important.” I’d like to explain why I think redefining marriage would actually serve to strip these children of their most fundamental rights.

[...]

This debate, at its core, is about one thing.

It’s about children.

Government Should Promote the Well-being of Children

Children are the reason government has any stake in this discussion at all. Congress was spot on in 1996 when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act, stating:

At bottom, civil society has an interest in maintaining and protecting the institution of heterosexual marriage because it has a deep and abiding interest in encouraging responsible procreation and child-rearing. Simply put, government has an interest in marriage because it has an interest in children.

There is no difference between the value and worth of heterosexual and homosexual persons. We all deserve equal protection and opportunity in academe, housing, employment, and medical care, because we are all humans created in the image of God.

However, when it comes to procreation and child-rearing, same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples are wholly unequal and should be treated differently for the sake of the children.

When two adults who cannot procreate want to raise children together, where do those babies come from? Each child is conceived by a mother and a father to whom that child has a natural right. When a child is placed in a same-sex-headed household, she will miss out on at least one critical parental relationship and a vital dual-gender influence. The nature of the adults’ union guarantees this. Whether by adoption, divorce, or third-party reproduction, the adults in this scenario satisfy their heart’s desires, while the child bears the most significant cost: missing out on one or more of her biological parents.

Making policy that intentionally deprives children of their fundamental rights is something that we should not endorse, incentivize, or promote.

Katy Faust, The Public Discourse 25 Comments [2/8/2015 8:23:25 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 106260

[Opening prayer in Tennessee Senate]

I pray for the people of Tennessee who have been so downtrodden by the wicked courts from on high that they have been subject to tyrannical judiciary. And I pray that you would save Tennessee from the edicts of Washington DC that would go against the plain wishes of the people of Tennessee, particularly pertaining to the 9th and 10th Amendment.

I pray that you would sanctify this state, that it would be holy and would be a leader among the other states. That they would see that there is a God that lives, that you love the people of Tennessee. That you gave your life that we might be saved from our sins. I pray that you would forgive the many sins of carelessness or lethargy or desperation. The compromises.

Oh lord save Tennessee for Jesus sake, and I pray that your will would be done that you would be our coverage, that we would not be forced into these edicts from Washington DC or any other quarter, but let the people know that our coverage is the same as with Moses and the children of Israel when they went through the wilderness with only the divine providence of almighty God.

So I pray that everywhere there are meetings, and there is considerations and deliberations, that you would give these men and women who have been elected, give them the backbone and the remembrance of the Tennessee Declaration of Rights, Article 1, Section 2 — we are ordered to resist arbitrary power.

June Griffin, Daily Kos 24 Comments [2/8/2015 8:15:57 AM]
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Quote# 106259

Written as introduction to an article she posted entitled "Real Origin of 'The Wall of Separation of Church and State'":

I hope everyone will take a minute to read this...if not today, save and read tomorrow or the next day. And btw, islam is not a religion. It is a hateful ideology based on a madman pedophile warlord...sort of like naming a religion after Charlie Manson or Attila the Hun. Our big mistake is allowing islam to pretend to be a religion. They are fanatical crazy people. If there are moderates, it is because they have become secular. Shar



FairSharFairShar, Realabortiondebate 19 Comments [2/8/2015 8:15:45 AM]
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Quote# 106258

What’s up with so many people ‘leaving the faith’? Why are they doing it?

First, we need to define two terms:

What does it mean to ‘leave’ something or someone?

What does it mean to leave ‘the faith?’

I understand walking away from a weak belief in something, but ‘leaving the faith?’ That’s hard to fathom for several reasons.



Leaving

Primary definitions for the word ‘leave’ include: ‘go away from; to go out of or away from, as a place; to depart from permanently; quit.’

In each of these primary definitions we see the idea of leaving a place where we had been. If someone told you that they had ‘left’ Philadelphia this morning, you would understand them to mean that they had been in Philadelphia for some period of time before leaving the city to travel to another place. By definition, a person who ‘leaves’ something or somewhere has to have physically had something or been present somewhere before they would be able ‘leave’ that something or somewhere.

What people are claiming to be leaving in our context is both a something and a Someone. By definition they would be claiming to leave something they had been present in for some time and Someone they had known personally.
The Faith

Primary definitions for ‘the faith’ include: ‘complete trust or confidence in someone or something; belief in God or in a set of religious doctrines.”

The ‘faith’ that many people are claiming to ‘leave’ is known as the ‘Christian faith.’ That’s the complete trust or confidence in Jesus Christ and the claims He has made about Himself.

People who follow the ‘Christian faith’ are known as ‘disciples’ or ‘followers’ of Jesus Christ. Claiming to have been a member of the Christian ‘faith’ would imply they had joined according to membership guidelines determined by the Founder.
[...]
Given all that the New Testament teaches about what it means to be a true ‘follower’ of Jesus Christ, I need to ask a question: REALLY? True followers of Jesus Christ are ‘leaving the faith?’ People who have bowed their knee to the Lord Jesus Christ in true humility and repentance are ‘leaving the faith?’ People who have known the depth of God’s love and mercy for their soul and had full confidence in the truth of God’s Word are ‘leaving the faith?’ People who have seen the life-changing power of the Gospel in their own lives are ‘leaving the faith? People who have been involved in sharing the love of Jesus Christ with others and have seen the Holy Spirit change lives through the power of the Gospel of Christ are ‘leaving the faith?’ Really?
[...]
I seriously question how many of the people claiming to ‘leave the faith’ today were actually ‘in the faith.’ Most of the ‘former Christians’ I’ve talked to and those whose stories I’ve read, talk about Christianity in an ‘experiential’ way. I’ve heard stories about how they began attending churches or youth groups or campus groups because of friendships with people in those groups or because they were attracted to someone in a group. When relationships changed or when they were challenged about what they believed, they ‘left.’ Even more young people ‘leaving’ the faith grew up in churches and, like me, stop attending church during or after high school. Many, like me, were never really ‘in’ the faith, so their leaving the church doesn’t seem to apply to the meaning atheists and other non-Christians are giving to people leaving churches. Leaving a church or youth group is NOT the same thing as ‘leaving the faith.’

So, what do we do about this? I suggest we do everything we can to help people who claim to have ‘left’ the faith. Love them and offer to discuss their reasons for leaving with ‘truth and reason’ (Acts 26:25) and “always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

We also need to do a better job of preparing children and teens in our churches to face the challenges from unbelievers they will meet during their lifetime. If a child trained in a martial arts class for 18 years, I would expect them to have a Black Belt and be able to defend themselves and others against personal attack. If they couldn’t, I would seriously question the teaching abilities of the instructors in that class. If a child trained in a church for 18 years, I would expect them to be a strong follower of Jesus Christ and be able to defend themselves and others against spiritual attack. If they couldn’t, I would seriously question the teaching abilities of the instructors in that church. Does that sound reasonable?

Mark McGee, Faith & Self Defense 31 Comments [2/8/2015 8:15:31 AM]
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Quote# 106257

There are a number of reasons why I would pursue Congress rather than a state office, but one of them is my interest in foreign policy and concern about the disastrous actions of the Obama administration around the world. I am posting an article below that closely reflects my views on one aspect of the problem.

I am especially concerned that the Neoconservatives (read Republican liberals) have aligned with the Obama administration re Russia and are jointly waging a campaign of anti-Russian propaganda designed to deceive conservatives into supporting a hot war with Russia.

This is a not only very dangerous game geopolitically, it is robbing social conservatives of their most valuable potential alliance in the world today. American and Russian conservatives could today be cooperating together to roll back liberalism around the world. Instead, the cultural Marxists of both major US political parties are trying to drive a wedge between us with the absurd lie that Russia is trying to revive the Soviet Union.

Neither Russia nor its president are without flaws, and it is as impossible to defend them against a campaign of relentless criticism as is is anyone else but Jesus Christ. That’s the psy-ops mind game the elite media plays: a rhetorical blitzkrieg of misrepresentations, double standards and sophistry.

But if we ask the simple question “Which countries of the world and their current leadership align most closely to the goals of Biblical Christianity and of ideological conservatism?” it’s a whole different ballgame.

If we rank the current leaders and countries of the world by that standard Putin and Russia rank high on the list — certainly much higher than Obama and his version of America. Indeed, is there any world leader speaking in defense of persecuted Christians in the Middle East like Putin has? Is there any other “first world” nation standing up against the homosexual agenda like Russia is doing?

Scott Lively, BarbWire 24 Comments [2/8/2015 8:15:23 AM]
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Quote# 106255

Science has proven that:

- Humans have auras
- Humans have organs that sense energy
- We inherit memories from our anscestors
- Meditation repairs telomeres in DNA, which slows the process of aging.
- Compassion extends life
- Love is more than just an emotion
- Billions of other universes exist
- Meditation speeds healing

pantheisticsunshine, Majiks 41 Comments [2/8/2015 8:15:00 AM]
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Quote# 106250

Italy used to require a 3-year waiting period before a divorce could be granted. Now it's one year! I think it should be 3-years in America! It's not even one month. If I had my way, divorce would be illegal. A wife would be allowed to leave her abusive husband, but would NOT be allowed to remarry or else face imprisonment (nor would the husband be allowed to remarry, and would go to prison for fornication). I would make divorce so miserable that couples would work hard at making their marriages work, which is what people should be doing in the first place). You know, in the old days before the creation of a welfare state, women had no where to go if they had marriage problems. Although it was a yoke of wood and there was some abuse during those times, what is happening in America today is a yoke or iron (total enslavement) in comparison. There is no perfect marriage, none!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 26 Comments [2/8/2015 8:13:57 AM]
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Quote# 106246

Sexually Transmitted Diseases Are a Byproduct of Lewdness

The Scientific Fact:

Modern science has shown us through the works of microbiologists during the last two centuries that there are certain bacteria, microbes, and viruses that are only transmitted through having sex in a perverted way like multiple relationships between men and women, sex between men and men (sodomy), and between women and women (lesbianism). The more such forms of perversion become rampant, the more plagues and diseases hit the society since these microbes become resistant to treatment. Moreover, the human body will fail to combat them due to its weak immunity and the change of the properties of such organisms.

Facets of Scientific Inimitability:

The hadith of the Prophet (peace) tells us about a social law that will inevitably happen when certain things occur. The beginning is the spread of prohibited sexual relations including adultery and homosexuality in the society. When such relations become normal and accepted, this will lead to a state of almost common consent concerning them. This is what is referred to in the words: Never does sexual perversion become widespread and publicly known in certain people...
This law has taken effect in many Western societies where people have accepted adultery and homosexuality and even propagated them. In his book Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Dr. Schofield wrote that permissiveness has become the reaction of society in the face of all sexual practices. People are no longer ashamed of adultery, homosexuality, or any other sexual perversion. What adds insult to injury is that the mass media has inculcated in the minds of people that young men and women should not remain chaste. Chastity has become a shame in Western societies. Sexual permissiveness is propagated and supported everywhere in the media.

According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, gays are now acting publicly and have their own clubs, bars, parks, beaches, swimming pools, and even restrooms.
Hundreds of articles, books, plays, novels, and movies praising prostitution and homosexuality can be found everywhere. Some Western churches have even accepted homosexuality and adultery and priests are now conducting gay marriages in some churches. Many societies have been established to cherish and defend gay rights. This is the beginning, what about the outcome?

Many sexual plagues have appeared and many diseases have overwhelmed societies around the world. Since its appearance in 1494, the plague of syphilis has taken the lives of millions of people and destroyed the future of many others. The virus causing this disease is still changing itself and attacking people from time to time. Gonorrhea is on top of the list of infectious sexual diseases. Being the most widespread sexual disease, it terrifies millions of people and leaves them infertile. These diseases strike those who divert from the teachings of Allah and go their own perverted way. Recently, people started to hear about AIDS which destroys the immunity system and thus bodily organs fall, one after another, after causing horrible pain to the person. This is exactly what the Prophet (peace be upon him) told us a long time ago. Is this not additional evidence that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the true Messenger of Allah?

Website Manager, Quran & Science 27 Comments [2/8/2015 3:41:15 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 106245

Robert Conway at Reaxxion asks if Magic: The Gathering adding a transsexual character is a problem:

The answer is, ABSOLUTELY YES, it is a problem. It is a very serious and ultimately fatal problem that will eventually kill the game dead. It is a problem of such gargantuan and epic proportions that the only rational thing to do is to immediately stop playing Magic: The Gathering, and stop purchasing any of its related products, until the Alesha, Who Smiles At Death card is publicly withdrawn. The card is the gaming equivalent of a small but malignant melanoma.

One might as reasonably ask if the original decision to permit women to read Bible verses was a problem for the Anglican Church. Or if the original income tax, which was introduced with a maximum rate of 7 percent and affected less than 1 percent of the U.S. population was a problem for US taxpayers.

The point is not whether the addition of an overtly propagandistic SJW element immediately breaks the game. The first step never does. That's because the first step is always only symbolic, a testing of the waters to see if the invasion of the SJWs is going to be resisted or not. When it is resisted, of course, there will be endless protestations of how it is harmless little thing, how it is "just this one brick", and hand-on-heart vows of how there is, of course, absolutely NO intention of building a damn brick wall in the future.

The time to smack down the SJW entryists is when the camel first sticks its nose in the tent, not when it is already fully ensconced and defecating all over the carpets.


Vox Day, Vox Popoli 41 Comments [2/8/2015 3:41:09 AM]
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Submitted By: Yama the Space Fish

Quote# 106244

It's true there are no proofs outside of Math and logic, but the things I argue are based upon logic. And anyone who wants to debate the existence of God must first accept for the sake of argument that God could exist. It's a logical foul to pretend to join such a debate and then automatically claim victory because one cannot prove what is accepted for the sake of argument. The debate itself is logical reasoning over hypotheticals. So, one can prove that certain things are logically true about those hypotheticals without proving them to be absolutely true.

Also, it's illogical to assert that a Supreme Being couldn't possibly be loving and Omnipotent, without simultaneously accepting the hypothetical existence of said God. That's a tautology that goes something like this: 'Something is false because it cannot be true.'

Rover, Amazon Atheist Forum 24 Comments [2/8/2015 3:40:53 AM]
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Quote# 106243

The natural universe appeared from nothing.

Since the universe is all that naturally exists (matter, energy, forces, space and time) whatever the first case was must have been super-natural.

Since the universe hasn't always existed, the first cause couldnt have been in operation eternally but was the chosen action of a free agent.

Since the universe is massively large and full of unimaginable energy, the first cause must have been unimaginably powerful.

Since the universe is finely-tuned to support matter, energy, life, etc, the first cause must have been immensely intelligent.

Since the first cause created time, the first cause must itself exist in an eternal state.

So, the first cause (or Creator) of the universe was a super-natural, personal, Omnipotent, Omniscient and eternal Being. That's God.

Rover, Amazon Atheist Forum 31 Comments [2/8/2015 3:40:40 AM]
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Quote# 106238

Pastors should be starting the process of church discipline on any member who goes to see 50 Shades of Grey.

Tim Dukeman, Twitter 44 Comments [2/7/2015 6:44:27 AM]
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Quote# 106237

Game of Thrones is only controversial in Christian circles because men don't want to repent of their sin.

Tim Dukeman, Twitter 24 Comments [2/7/2015 6:44:24 AM]
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Quote# 106236

Yoga Pants are only controversial in Christian circles because women don't want to repent of their sin.

Tim Dukeman, Twitter 23 Comments [2/7/2015 6:42:55 AM]
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Quote# 106232

I had been given an ultimatum in October of 2014 by a local Independent Baptist church, where I had attended for 11 months, to SHUT UP about the King James Bible! God wanted me to SPEAK UP, but those shameful pastors wanted me to SHUT UP! The pastors told me to either stop warning other church members that the new Bible versions are corrupt, or I wasn't welcomed at their church anymore. So I left as a testimony against them before the Lord. Their church officially uses two Bibles (which they sell to members as a parallel edition in one book): the ERV and the KJB (but members also use dozens of different versions, which the pastor admitted to me). The church encourages it! WHAT A MESS! It has gotten so bad nowadays that you just can't find good churches anymore.

When I recently spoke with one of the assistant pastors of the church, he asked, “Do you think that God led you to our church as a voice against us.” He is addressing my testimony against them for using the modern corrupt Bibles, and their teaching of the heresy of Lordship Salvation. I honestly told the pastor that whether or not God sent me to warn them I do not know, but I do know one thing... THEY HAVE NOW BEEN WARNED! They are now fully accountable to God. I do believe they are in serious trouble with the Lord. Those backslidden pastors just may get a big surprise on judgment day, when God tells them that He did lead me to attend that church, so that those pastors could be warned. 2nd Chronicles 36:16, “But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.” We'll see on judgment day. We'll see!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 40 Comments [2/7/2015 6:41:10 AM]
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Quote# 106229

There are several Scriptural reasons God reprobates certain creatures to eternal hell.

In the first place, the decree of reprobation must somehow serve to glorify the Name of God. God, the Sovereign One, directs all things that His glory might the more fully be revealed. This is true for everything without exception. Do not the twenty-four elders of Revelation 4 cry out, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive all glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (vs. 11)? But how, you might ask, can reprobation serve to reveal the glory of God in the best possible way? Through the decree of reprobation, God reveals His eternal hatred and wrath against sin and punishment of the workers of iniquity. Apart from God's decree of reprobation this would never have been so clearly revealed. This contrast is suggested in I John 1:5: "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." The same is found in John 1, especially verse 5, "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." Do you object? Does not that Sovereign Potter have power over the clay also to fashion vessels of dishonor to serve His own pleasure and to reveal His own glory and goodness?

Secondly, one can understand the reason for the existence of reprobate wicked when he begins to see the whole of God's plan. In Holy Scripture it becomes very evident that the heart or center of all the counsel or plan of God is Christ -- and in Christ is the church. God would reveal His glory in the highest possible way by gathering a particular people in Jesus Christ His only begotten Son. This is the truth of which we read in Ephesians 1:4-6: "According as He hath chosen us in him (Christ) before the foundation of the world... having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace...."

This could be compared, by way of illustration, to the meat or kernel of a nut. The meat or kernel is the significant part of the whole of the nut. Yet there is also a shell around the whole. The shell is not eatable, yet it has a function. When this function has ceased, that shell is broken and discarded. So is the wonder of god revealed in the gathering of the church of Jesus Christ. The cause of Christ, the gathering of the church, is served by all things which take place. Not without reason do we read in Romans 8:28, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." The whole of creation, all things which take place within that creation -- these all form part of the shell surrounding the people of God who are in Christ. That shell has its purpose and place -- but when its purpose is served, it is discarded.

Something similar can be said concerning reprobation. The reprobate too must serve the purpose of God in the gathering and defending of the church of Christ. The evil deeds, in which these evil ones seek to oppose God and destroy His church, can and do work rather to the benefit of the church. The crucifixion of Christ is the prime example. Wicked men sought to remove the Christ from this earth. They made plans to kill Him -- and, in fact, they did crucify Him outside of the walls of Jerusalem. But the result was that the determinate purpose of God to save His people through the shedding of Christ's blood was realized. We read in Acts 4:27-28, "for of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together for to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."

We see then that reprobation is not a "horrible" decree at all. We see too that it is not somehow equal to or on a par with the wonder of the decree of election. God does not arbitrarily declare: "I want to cast some people into hell, and I want to bring some people to heaven." God forbid! But God worked all things (both creation and also this decree of reprobation) to serve His purpose of bringing His elect people through sin and grace to eternal glory in heaven. Even this truth of reprobation must be for my comfort and assurance in this terribly sinful world.

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Rev. Gise J. Van Baren , Protestant Reformed Churches in America 24 Comments [2/7/2015 6:38:07 AM]
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