Quote# 109961


GREETINGS IN ''THE POWERFUL NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST'',I WILL MAKE THIS SHORT, I HAVE SEEN CHURCHES CONCENTRATE ON MONEY AND NOT ON THE GIVER OF ALL, IF YOU ALL AT THE CHURCH WALK BY FAITH AND TRUST IN 'THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY' ,ALL THINGS WILL BE WELL, ALSO YOUR PASTOR MAKING A DIAGRAM AND SAY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN , WELL HE COULDN'T STOP IT, BETTER CONCENTRATE IN PRAYING FOR THE LOST, HELP THE NEEDY AND DO WHAT ''THE LORD'' ASKS OF US, SIMPLE PREACH THE GOSPEL TO ALL CREATURES, HEAL THE SICK, CAST OUT DEMONS***MEMBERS WILL ALWAYS LEAVE AND TAKE SOME WITH THEM, I HAVE SEEN IT, GODLY CHRISTIANS TOLD TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE GIFTS OF 'THE HOLY SPIRIT', IT JUST GOES ON, SO WHY WORRY, LET ''GOD'' BE WORSHIPPED IN THE CHURCH IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH AND THE BLESSINGS WILL FALL LIKE RIVERS, BLESSINGS IN HIS 'HOLY NAME, THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES JESUS CHRIST THE LORD'' IN HIS LOVE L***

LUCIANA, Ministering Deliverance 23 Comments [6/23/2015 3:10:38 AM]
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Submitted By: undie not fundie

Quote# 109960

Recently, a pastor in a new church in town (ccbutler.org), was given an diagram into the spirit of sabotage that he felt the Lord was revealing as a stronghold in the city were we have started the church. The spirit of sabotage is revealed in supposedly well meaning folks who try to undermine and then destroy a ministry. The example of sabotage is when Peter came along side Jesus and tried to stop him from going to the Cross. Associated with this spirit is the spirit of leviathan, which means twisting. The leviathan is often considered a crocodile which hides in the river of the Spirit of God as it is flowing, seeking to devour those unsuspecting people who gather at the river. He only is active when the Spirit of God is moving.

After the Lord gave this diagram to him, within a couple of weeks, one of the elders in the church started to oppose him and come against the worship that was taking place, resisting the gifts of the Spirit, etc. Then he left and tried to take people with him. He was one of the big givers to the church and as he has stopped given and tried to get others to leave, he has cut a big hole in the church's finances to the point of threatening its survival. The man really fulfilled the prophetic diagram, but we think it this is the spirit over our city, Butler, PA, and not just the church.

Attending this is the spirit of Leviathan, which is supposedly a seven headed principality or power. Butler, PA has been called the grave yard of charismatic churches, that causes Spirit filled churches to fail after a few short years. BUT Butler is also called a Gateway City, both for drugs and for the Spirit of God. So there is a battle going on.
I bring all this up in order to ask for prayer for this new birth church, where 25 people in the last twelve months have either been saved or recommitted their lives to the Lord.

I am also asking for insight and discernment in how to pray. We have walked the city and administered forgiveness in the Name of Jesus to the city.

Here is a diagram. I dont know how to post it on the forum... the image doesn't seem to work or allow an upload.


jefferis, Ministering Deliverance 15 Comments [6/23/2015 3:09:36 AM]
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Quote# 109959

1996 my beloved wife cast out her first demon. It was on the eve of the beginning of their final exams. She was summoned to the library because one the Scripture Union members had gone mad.

As the chairperson of the group the school held her responsible for what was happening. It was a dicey situation as the group meetings risked being banned by the authorities.

The mad boy was causing a scene running all over the school premises, beating up students in a feat of uncontrollable demonic rage. Somehow the S.U members managed to subdue him and drag him to an empty room amidst screams, kicks, and blows.

Everyone then turned and looked at my wife since she was the chairperson of the group. In retrospect she says she had no choice on what to do since she was the leader of the group. She acted in spite of her fears and declared, “Come out in the name of Jesus!”

Taking a cue from their courageous leader the other students also joined in the battle. She wrestled with lunatic spirits until the young man was delivered.

The boy wrote his exams, went to university and eventually graduated with flying colours.

Let’s draw a few lessons from this encounter:

Lesson # 1: The devil’s aim will always be destruction
It’s instructive that the demons manifested on the eve of final exams; they wanted to destroy the boy’s future. They clearly didn’t want him to write his exams. They didn’t want him to be a productive citizen. Demons are anti-progress forces. Their mandate has always been to steal, kill, and destroy.

Lesson # 2: The devil is a weak and defeated foe indeed
Note that the first demon that my wife ever cast in her life was a demon of madness! Now think about that for a second. This girl had never driven out an evil spirit before but she started with a fairly big fish. Don’t be scared of the devil and his demons; they were long defeated by the cross of Christ.

Lesson # 3: Deliverance ministry is for the courageous
My warrior wife (how’s that for bragging?) acted fearlessly in a very dangerous situation. Courage is not the absence of fear but acting in the presence of fear. She trusted God and His word without wavering hence she attained victory. Deliverance ministry is not for cowards and the fearful.

Lesson # 4: Deliverance ministry is not a spectator sport
Note that the whole S.U group got involved in the deliverance of their fellow member. Some helped to catch him when he was running amok while some restrained him when he was receiving ministry. Some joined in ordering the demons out.

After tasting the sweetness of victory over dark forces my wife has moved on and cast many more evil spirits thereafter. I have also been doing my bit for over twenty years helping countless people out of the clutches of the enemy. How about you? When are you going to claim your first demon scalp for the Lord? How many scalps do you have under your belt? How many people have you helped free from the evil and merciless torment of Satan? What is stopping you from getting involved in freedom ministry?
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I love you with bondage-breaking love!

pastor qt, Ministering Deliverance 18 Comments [6/23/2015 3:09:19 AM]
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Quote# 109954

[on a pregnant 10 year year old rape victim being denied an abortion]



If you accept that the child in the womb is a human being and not essentially different from one outside of the womb then the picture is not as clear as abortion advocates make out.

If there is an abortion there is a 100% chance of one life being lost. If the girl goes ahead with the birth then there is a risk that she and/or the baby will die. Although the birth is risky the probability of her death is much less than the certain death of the baby in an abortion.

This is certainly a dreadful situation for the girl, to have been raped and now bearing a child by her abuser. There is no way of making that right. But killing the baby, who is innocent, is also not right and in my view the greater evil.

For anyone who watched the film Precious, do you think she should have had abortions to rid herself of the children forced upon her by her own father?

Schnellmann, The Guardian 28 Comments [6/23/2015 3:07:51 AM]
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Quote# 109953

Remember Obama's campaign logo was the Sun rising, which that alone has a lot of occult meaning. Then he said that he was going to finish his work on a certain day which ended up being the same day he met with the Pope. There were not a lot of details on what really happen during the meeting, but what is interesting is that the meeting took place in the afternoon and all papal audiences usually happen in the morning, which means it happened when the Sun was setting, giving special importance to the meeting since he began his work with the sun rising (logo) and said would finish his work on the day he met with the Pope, right while the sun was setting. Not only that but also there is a lot of symbolism in the fact that normally world leaders go to the Pope, instead of the Pope having to go across Rome to meet them, since the number of steps he goes from his study door is taken as a sign of his esteem towards the person he is greeting, so imagine that, the Pope, who according to himself and his followers, is the presence of god on earth, has that much esteem for Barack Obama, as to indeed go across Rome for the meeting, one has to wonder.

Koresh, The Dogg Star 12 Comments [6/23/2015 3:07:43 AM]
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Quote# 109951

Barack Obama has magnify himself in his heart, you can see it by simply looking at his eyes and listening to his words. He is coming supposedly in peace and even though he doesn't deserve the honors he holds at the moment, they were all given to him by his smooth way of talking or because of it.

Something else interesting to notice relating Barack Obama getting the Peace Prize, is the Blue Light that was basically welcoming him into Norway on the same night he was there to receive the prize.

Koresh, The Dogg Star 6 Comments [6/23/2015 3:06:54 AM]
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Quote# 109949

“Betty, you’re very old and almost dead,” another email read. “How do you both feel knowing that America and the world will be a better place without you?”
Well Betty, the world of unbelievers who do not repent and turn to God are about to find out what it's like when all believers in Christ are removed from this world in which we are only passing through for God's work anyway. Once all true believers are removed by Christ, this world will be a hellish place, they will eat those words and wish for death but death will elude them. Be encouraged for your stand, God shall meet your needs. God bless you!

josey, Christian News Network 17 Comments [6/23/2015 3:05:00 AM]
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Quote# 109946

Oh, please Ton don't talk about ignorant.
You build up in your mind that physical science got it right
but when i did asked you whether these researchers die and then came back to life
so they could tell whether there is God or not you don't reply.
Ton this is the only evidence, all the rest is just guessing.
The sooner you get this in your mind the sooner you will get out the mental sewer
in which you lie. :)

Little Rik, AtheistForums.org 10 Comments [6/23/2015 3:03:50 AM]
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Submitted By: Stimbo

Quote# 109943

(Youre fricken judging people for eating meat? Dogs eat meat. Lions eat meat. A lot of animals eat meat, so why cant humans? Its a life cycle.)



Other cultures eat dogs but I don’t see you doing that.

I also don’t see you personally killing your prey with your claws/teeth and then eating it raw and plain

I also don’t see dogs and lions cultivating plants for consumption or having our same omnivorous biologies

I see you having the capability to eat plants but choosing instead to eat processed animal carcasses. I wonder exactly why you would do that when you have the ethical and intellectual capabilities to make decisions based off of ideas other than “but they can do that why can’t I :((((((((((” or “I will get what I want and not care about the consequences!!!”

Because essentially that is the mindset of a toddler or a dog. And you are neither of those things. You are a human and you should understand the ethicality of your actions and your moral positions that make you different than ANIMALS, which you are apparently superior to if you choose to eat them. So why would you act like them? I mean, if we’re talking life cycles, you’re at the top of the chain. Start thinking like it.

vegan-confessions, Tumblr 18 Comments [6/23/2015 2:56:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 109942

Alright, my meat-eating friends. I am going to break this down for you…

What if I told you that something you do almost every day is completely unnatural? Most of you probably know that eating too much meat or eating it prepared improperly can make you sick, but modern research suggests that humans shouldn’t eat meat at all.

According to studies backed by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, eating meat causes humans to become obese, have higher blood pressure, have a higher risk of heart disease and several cancers, and have a much higher risk of chronic constipation and/or “foodborne illness. [x]” The studies in this article are important and telling because many of them used Mormon subjects. Mormon people abstain from caffeine and alcohol, two substances that can cause similar health problems as meat, so using Mormons as subjects yields stronger evidence that it is meat causing these health problems and not anything else.

Aside from the long term ailments meat can cause, most of you have probably noticed that outbreaks of food poisoning are usually caused by animal-based foods or foods that have come in contact with animal-based foods. Very few bacteria that cause food poisoning begin in plants.

Medical doctors and anthropologists alike are beginning to conclude that humans get sick from eating meat because we are not built (for lack of a better word) to do so. By refuting the arguments that we’ve always eaten meat, our bodies are capable of digesting meat, and that our bodies are designed to eat meat, I hope to persuade you that humans are naturally herbivores, as opposed to omnivores.

A common argument used to support humans being naturally omnivorous is that we have always eaten meat, which is not even true. Archaeologist Derek Wall says that the “mighty hunter” image of the early human is quite faulty and tools originally thought to be hunting tools are now appearing to be planting and harvesting tools [x]. Still, humans have obviously been eating meat for a very long time. Before our technology had progressed to the point where we were the most powerful species on the planet, we were forced to compete with other animals for our plant-based food, which threatened early humans with a potential endangerment. Based on our superior ability to imitate, it is theorized by many anthropologists that humans learned to hunt by copying other animals to survive ecosystems with limited or unsafe vegetation. This means that, while we did a good job at preserving our species, there is no substantial evidence to suggest that humans have the instinct to hunt in the same way that natural meat-eaters do.

Another common argument is that humans are capable of digesting meat, which means to many that it is natural for us to do so. Well, many animals are capable of digesting food that they are not necessarily meant to eat. Domestic cats are natural carnivores, yet they are capable of digesting the vegetables and grains in their manufactured food. Just because an animal is capable of digesting something, does not mean it should. Herbivores, carnivores, and omnivores all have separate anatomical correlations that decide what their diets should be. This means that you can tell by looking at an animal both internally and externally whether they are an herbivore, carnivore, or omnivore.

Many claim that humans are omnivores because our bodies are designed to eat meat, which is not true. As mentioned before, an animal’s anatomy decides their diet, and human anatomy matches that of herbivorous animals more than that of carnivorous or omnivorous animals. To show you the striking resemblance between humans and herbivores, I will use a comparison of humans, herbivores, and omnivores conducted by Dr. Milton R. Mills [x]:

Omnivores’ jaws can move very well up-and-down, but hardly at all side-to-side, while herbivores can move their jaws both up-and-down and side-to-side very well to allow the crushing of plants. I’d like you all to take a moment to move your jaws from side-to-side. This may seem pretty silly, but most of you can probably do it because the average human can move his/her jaw the same as an herbivore.
Omnivores have bodies that are optimal for hunting, including long, sharp, curved canines, reduced facial muscles that allow a large mouth-opening compared to the head size, and sharp, curved claws. Herbivores, as well as humans, have short, blunt canines, defined facial muscles that allow a smaller mouth-opening compared to the head size, and flattened nails, or hooves for some nonhuman herbivores. While humans have successfully hunted with tools, we could not hunt using only our teeth and fingernails like true omnivores do.
Humans sleep much less than omnivores. Dogs are true omnivores. Have you ever noticed how much of the day your dog sleeps? Cats sleep even more as carnivores. Animals that are anatomically meant to eat meat sleep up to 90% of their day to preserve energy for the hunt, while herbivores only sleep 5 to 10 hours. How much do you guys sleep? 5 to 10 hours in a 24-hour cycle or 13 to 20 hours?
Omnivores can swallow raw meat whole while herbivores must chew quite a bit before swallowing. I don’t know about you guys, but I can’t just swallow mouthfuls of food at a time; I have to chew quite a bit.
An omnivore’s stomach acidity is 1 or even less with food inside. The stomach pH of herbivores, including humans, is only 4-5 with food inside.
An omnivore’s intestines are only 4-6 times its body length, while herbivores and humans have intestines between 10 and 12 times their body length. Just like meat rots quickly laying out in the heat, it rots inside the body during digestion. Animals truly designed to eat meat have short intestinal tracts to allow a short digestion and prevent the rotting of meat inside. Humans are truly meant to get our nutrients from plants. It takes longer to absorb sugar from fruits and vegetables, which is why herbivores, as well as us, have long intestinal tracts that allow a longer digestion.

So, in summary, humans are not omnivores because we have not always eaten meat, many animals are capable of digesting things they should not, and human anatomy matches that of an herbivore more than that of an omnivore.

There are two things you can do from here if you started reading this post as a meat-eater. You can either continue to eat foods based on animal products, which is unnatural and leads to health problems for most, or you could try to cut back and maybe even eliminate animal products from your diet. It is not easy to eat only plant-based foods, but when you consider that it is the most natural way for humans, maybe it won’t be so hard.

If you’re still reading, thanks for giving me your time.

southern-feminism, Tumblr 22 Comments [6/23/2015 2:56:16 AM]
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Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 109941

Me? I'm going to pretend that "Global Warming" is true for a moment.


I look forward to seeing vast corn fields in northern Canada and Siberia. I look forward to the additional rainfall from "the greenhouse" (tremble, please) turning our deserts into lush, fertile plains where new cities will spring up to take in the "overflow" from the "growing population". I look forward to it being warmer the year round, to the new citrus groves in Ohio and the rest of the Midwest. I look forward to the auto and aircraft industries expanding to supply transportation for the expanded populations in our northernmost regions. And I really look forward to San Francisco being underwater!



Dr. Samuel C. Gipp, A Friend To Churches Ministries 31 Comments [6/22/2015 6:14:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Lucifer's Penis

Quote# 109940

Looking at his picture left me believing that he is demon processed. His face and eyes to me have a look of death from lack of a better word. It is possible that he is processed by satin and needs the demon cast out.

WILLIAMBEASON1842, Rapture Ready 27 Comments [6/22/2015 6:14:46 PM]
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Submitted By: solomongrundy

Quote# 109938

Top 20 Myths Pushed by the Homosexual Activists

The entire case for embracing the homosexual lifestyle is built on lies, falsehoods and deception.

[...]

Homosexuals are born that way. There is no reliable research indicating a genetic basis of homosexuality. At best, there continues to be a debate about what is more influential: nature or nurture. The bulk of homosexuals who have gone for counselling have admitted to early childhood factors, such as an absent or aloof parent, and so on. And many homosexuals have now fully left the lifestyle, giving lie to the claim that one cannot change.

[...]

Homosexuals just want to be free to privately do their thing. Yes many do. And if this were fully true, there would be no need to write this article. But many activists are seeking to ram their agenda down the throats of everyone else. They insist on publicly flaunting, promoting and celebrating their lifestyle, and they are using the heavy hand of the law to quash all opposition.

Homosexual marriage will not affect anyone else. As I carefully document in great detail in my books, everyone is impacted by homosexual marriage. The negative results are getting worse by the day. All over the West those who dare to resist the homosexual agenda or simply affirm heterosexual marriage are losing their jobs, being fined, and even thrown into prison.

There is no slippery slope. We are already seeing the slippery slope in action. Now that homosexual marriage is being accepted, all sorts of other groups are demanding that their forms of sexuality be recognised, applauded and legalised. This we have active and vocal groups calling for the complete recognition of things like polyamory, incest, bestiality, paedophilia, objectamory, and so on. And most of these groups are using the identical arguments used by the homosexual lobby.

Marriage is only about love. Marriage is not just about love between people. Love can exist outside of a marriage: a brother can love a sister, a son can love a father, a girl can love a cat. But marriage is a special kind of love: a life-long commitment, publicly acknowledged, and with the possibility of procreation. Heterosexual married love is special, as it entails the possibility of rearing and raising the next generation.

[...]

Children raised in homosexual households do just fine. This is not the finding of the social sciences. Countless studies have now shown that children raised outside of the male-female marriage unit suffer greatly in every area, from poor educational performance, likelihood to move into drugs and crime, higher suicide rates, and so on. Family structure does matter, and those children raised in homosexual households are now coming out and telling their very sad stories.

Bill Muehlenberg, Barb Wire 17 Comments [6/22/2015 6:14:22 PM]
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Quote# 109930

What do Planned Parenthood and Playboy have in common?

An easier question to answer would be, what do they NOT have in common?

Planned Parenthood and Playboy are quite comfortable bedfellows, pun most definitely intended. Hugh Hefner contributes money to PP as well as NARAL, as a matter of fact. (Radical pro-choice feminists don’t like to talk about that.) Allan Guttmacher, former PP director and founder of its research arm, The Guttmacher Institute, was heavily influenced by Alfred Kinsey, the radical and infamous sociologist whose “research” helped shape the sexual revolution and by extension Playboy and the porn industry. His motives and methodology have since been widely discredited.

Both Planned Parenthood and Playboy encourage women to take little pink pills every day that cause early abortions, hormone imbalances, and quite possibly a host of other diseases after long term use, such as breast cancer and heart disease.

Both are super duper A-okay with abortion. Because after all, if you can convince a woman to take that pill and “take care of her problem,” you can continue to view her as an object and use her for your pleasure. If her eggs and her babies are disposable, why then, so is she.

It is imperative for us to understand that abortion does not exist in a vacuum. A culture steeped in certain attitudes was necessary to bring about the paradigm shift that enabled legalization to occur and to continue. These attitudes are represented perfectly by Planned Parenthood and the porn industry, soft-core and otherwise.

First, there is the idea that sex is a recreational activity designed for physical gratification, and that it’s therefore perfectly acceptable and even healthy to divorce the act completely from love or procreation. Putting aside religious beliefs or a lack thereof, it’s apparent that this increasingly prevailing attitude has led to a culture in which sex has been stripped of all significance beyond how fun it is. To take a random example, let’s look at two prime-time television shows on major networks. First there’s “Glee,” marketed to teenagers, and literally encouraging them to fornicate and telling them they’re frigid if they don’t. Then we have “Two and a Half Men,’ featuring a (now almost grown) child, in which the child’s uncle, played by a real-life lothario, drug addict, and woman-beater, is characterized solely by his rampant promiscuity and total disregard for women as anything other than objects by which to achieve pleasure. He loves to talk about these things in front of his under-age nephew. These are on during the family hour. Children watch these shows, and they learn simply and merely that sex is something fun to do, not that it’s serious or sacred in the least.

So what outcome does this laissez-faire attitude have? Teen pregnancy. Single motherhood, which even after correcting for poverty is the greatest single indicator of whether a child will grow up to be a criminal. A bloated welfare state, in which taxpayers watch their money pay to feed children born because their parents met in a club one night and felt like “doing it,” and she never even got the guy’s number. I could go on, but you get the idea. The state of the American family, and by extension our entire society, is what you might call in the current vernacular a “hot mess.”

Meanwhile, in Playboy/Planned Parenthood Land, the only gravitas reserved for the subject of sex is not for issues of morality or even ethics – what are those? – but the dreaded outcomes of STDs and pregnancy, which by the way are considered more or less equal in terms of desirability. In fact, as a friend of mine was told at a Planned Parenthood appointment in the late 90s, it’s better to be pregnant than get herpes, because you can always have an abortion, but there’s no cure for herpes.

Then there is the completely erroneous yet still common idea that it’s somehow liberating for a woman to be viewed as an object and used as a vehicle for a man’s pleasure. It’s obvious how Playboy encourages this, and by extension all of popular culture. Consider the nauseating TV hit “The Girls Next Door,” in which Hugh Hefner’s three “girlfriends” earnestly spoke to the camera about how normal and fulfilling their lives were. Methinks the ladies did protest too much.

Planned Parenthood goes even further to encourage the objectification of women. Part of it is their ferocious peddling of contraceptives and prophylactics, but abortion is the most direct way in which PP helps men see women as objects. Abortion places the onus of responsibility for a pregnancy on the woman. Because abortion is legal and encouraged by organizations such as PP as a valid and responsible choice, men in our society often feel quite justified in offering a woman the money for an abortion, and… that’s it. At that point, he has “done right by her.” He offered to pay for it, so he did his part. I have known a few women personally who aborted their children because the father didn’t want them. It’s no excuse, but this is a terrible burden to place on women.

The idea that abortion is pro-woman is patently ridiculous when you consider how much the industry has in common with pornography. When we think of exploiting women, we immediately think of sexually explicit photos and videos. But abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women. The sight of a Planned Parenthood sitting in a strip shopping center in a poor neighborhood in my hometown is more offensive to me than a million photographs of a saline-enhanced blonde in an American flag bikini straddling a Corvette.

Playboy, Hustler, Maxim, Sports Illustrated, and their ilk, not to mention hard-core porn, denigrate a woman’s soul by viewing her as a body without one, but abortion places a woman’s soul in danger by making her party to her own child’s death. The abortion industry exploits a woman’s fear and ignorance, invades her body, and brings death to her very womb. Then, unlike Christ, who told the woman taken in adultery to “go and sin no more,” they tell her, “Go do whatever you want with whoever you want. You have our number.”

Which reminds me: something else Playboy and Planned Parenthood have in common? Millions and millions of dollars.


destiny, New Wave Feminists 11 Comments [6/22/2015 6:12:19 PM]
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Quote# 109928

The Protestant Pill Predicament
Ask most Protestants when life begins and more than likely they’ll say, "at conception."

Growing up Protestant, I never knew there was anything wrong with birth control, of any kind. As long as it was used within the confines of marriage, it was ok. And not even just that, it was considered "responsible" since it allowed us to space out and control the number of children we had. (We're big fans of the WASPy 2.5 kids thing. They just fit in our sports utility vehicles better that way.)

Now, many times I remember hearing friends spout off about how "God gave us a brain, and when it comes to family planning He intends for us to use it, by golly!" While I agree with that statement, it was obviously meant more as a jab at Catholics who are known for their much larger families- something many outsiders attribute to the natural family planning methods they use...of which I was completely ignorant yet still totally opinionated. Because see, in my faith, you trusted in God... to trust you with the number of kids you thought you should have. Did I fit as many "you's" in there as humanly possible? Hope so.

Anyway, the more involved in the pro-life movement I became the more I actually started learning what these Cathies (who I spent every day but Sunday with) had against the pill. And get this, it pretty much lined up with the same stuff many Protestants claimed to believe as well. It had nothing to do with Mary, or any saints, or their rosaries. It had to do with life beginning at conception, and faithfully trusting in the Lord to provide you with (and for) the size family He intended you to have.

However, it wasn't until years later, while volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center that I truly began to educate myself on the different types of contraceptives as well as abortifacients and abortion procedures. To my dismay, I started noticing an overlap in many of these methods. Take IUD's for example. While many people believe they stop conception because some of them contain a progesterone element, many simply stop implantation of the zygote by irritating the lining of the uterus. Conception (a.k.a. "when life begins") has already taken place, and that little life is just bobbin' around in there waiting to get knocked off by your giant copper womb harpoon.

I remember sitting with a group of ladies at our weekly bible study shortly after making this discovery, when one of them mentioned how her oral contraceptive was affecting her negatively. Before I knew it I was front and center in a real life, cheese ball IUD commercial. The woman next to me starts raving about her intrauterine device and explaining all of its fabulous benefits as the group leans in and listens intently. Seriously, the only thing missing was a monotone voice in the background delivering the laundry list of possible side effects. And as I sat there debating whether or not to jump in, I remembered how another friend recently went in to have hers taken out and discovered she was actually 7 weeks pregnant at the time. No telling what that IUD could have done to her child had it not been removed immediately. Surely this story would allow me to explain exactly how an IUD works without coming off as judgmental or holier-than-thou, right?

Not so much.

As soon as I opened my mouth, I realized these women didn't want to hear it. They knew what they knew because they didn't want to know any better. I was looking at my former self and immediately felt compelled to dig deeper.

After getting all of the facts from my OB/GYN, I went to the director of the Christian crisis pregnancy center where I'd been volunteering and began asking questions about why we gave married women referrals for birth control. She explained that it was a personal choice (hmm, where have I heard that before?) and that she wasn't entirely sure there was anything wrong with chemical contraceptives. Actually, she didn't even realize there might be something wrong with them until I started explaining what my doctor had told me...

Birth control pills are supposed to work by tricking your body into thinking it's already pregnant. And 99% of the time that is effective. However, when it is not, the pill goes on to create a "hostile environment" for the "fertilized egg" (i.e. product of conception, a.k.a "when life begins," b.y.o.b., no don't 'cause you're totally preggers, dude). Not to mention, the Plan B pill, which so many Christians proudly proclaim to be against, is actually just 3 birth control pills taken in a 24 hour window. How can we simply ignore these facts?

Now believe me, I wish they weren't true. I had been on the pill for years and suddenly started wondering if my hostile womb had ever run anyone off. I mean, here I was an avid respecter of life, who was ignorantly dosing my body with an abortifacient. And that's when I got pissed. It can only be a "personal choice" when we're given all the facts, and when it comes to birth control, we certainly are not. I am sick of women being kept in the dark in regards to their bodies. Many of the same lies revolving around abortion can also be applied to contraceptives. It's as though women cannot be trusted with the facts. Because if we have all of the information, we might choose differently, and then no one would be able to control our reproduction anymore. So much for "choice." The decisions have already been made for us. The only thing we're choosing is to remain ignorant.

Here's the deal- sadly, I've come to expect such deceit from the world. But not from my church. As Protestants we must wake up and realize our own hypocrisy. We're propagating a lie by omitting the truth. Either life begins at conception or is doesn't. It’s just that simple. And if it does, than we have some major changes to make.


Destiny, New Wave Feminists 12 Comments [6/22/2015 6:11:37 PM]
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Quote# 109927

[Note: Bill Price is another name for W. F. Price]

We need more than a new political party; we need a new religious awakening to free us from the false doctrine of Enlightenment orthodoxy.

But we do not need a return to the past — we need something new and better, and in our own language. I suspect that the need for religious reform is often spurred more by changes in language than changes in human nature, which are much slower.

I’ve been working on this idea for half a year now. We need a new concept of kin-based faith that integrates the wisdom of the old worldview into the modern reality. All faith is kin-based (our earliest concepts of divine authority are based on the human family, e.g. father, son and holy spirit), but we’ve veered away from this truth in recent years. Christianity was a stroke of genius in that it allowed for a higher universal morality while simultaneously promoting the values that made families and communities strong. But it’s been hopelessly corrupted by an imperial form of the religion and a radical equalism that was never intended from the beginning, nor was it foreseen by early Christians, who viewed themselves as small communities of like-minded families resisting the depredations of a wicked and corrupt empire.

Today, once again, we’ll have to rely on faith to pull us out of a horrible mess of our own creation. I’m sure a lot of people will disagree, but I challenge them to come up with a better solution. Last time people tried an alternative the Bolsheviks ended up in power for 70 years, and that was a horror show I’d rather not live through myself, not to mention my kids.

Bill Price, Chateau Heartiste 14 Comments [6/22/2015 6:11:25 PM]
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Quote# 109925


Usually when somebody gets raped its their own fault for dressing like a hoe. Its still wrong, but the rapist should be punished not the baby.
or a teen girl goes drinking at some party gets knocked up, thats her fault.
I would never punish anybody for something thats not their fault "baby".. If the women can't take care of the baby give it up to adoption.
It as simple as that there is no reason what so ever a person should get a abortion.

GamerGirl, Wrestling Forum 18 Comments [6/22/2015 6:10:55 PM]
Fundie Index: 15

Quote# 109924

According to Sumerian legend, the Anunnaki genetically manipulated our genetics and created three versions of what we know as mankind, today.

The Anunnaki may have reptilian blood too, as they intermixed with their creations.

We don’t specifically know how our DNA was manipulated. What we DO know is that only 20 of the 64 codons in our DNA are active.

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Additionally, our human DNA differs dramatically from all other primates as we only have 46 chromosomes compared to 48 in other primates. The first two chromosomes appear to be fused together, which may explain part of the genetic manipulation by the Anunnaki.

Gregg Prescott, Waking Times 11 Comments [6/22/2015 6:10:44 PM]
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Quote# 109922

The confederate flag is a symbol of our history. Saving southern heritage is not a hate crime. Negro fatigued here since Zimmerman case. Notice how I don't mention skittle ridden big thugs name? He doesn't deserve the recognition. If you could only see the ignorance that goes on here by the nogs. Some 19 yr old female called 911 on her drug dealer because he took her $5.00 and didn't give her the drugs. The 911 call was so funny, telling the dispatcher I just want my drugs!!! They found flakka in her pocket and arrested her. Flakka is killing them here 16 dead in the last week. I say go to the ghetto and hand out free flakka! Population control for sure

South Flordia, Stuff Black People Dont Like 14 Comments [6/22/2015 6:10:06 PM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 109921

President Obama’s answer to the tragic shooting of nine people in Charleston, SC, is to have more gun laws. With all due respect Mr. President, all of the laws in the world can’t change the human heart—only God can do that. Our nation needs a spiritual healing—we have turned our back on God and His laws. Hollywood is responsible for glorifying gun violence on television, in movies, and in the video gaming industry. This plays a big part in our culture of gun violence today. If you want more laws, why don’t you ask Congress to pass laws against the poisoning of the minds of our young people by this godless industry?

Share this if you agree.

Franklin Graham, Facebook 15 Comments [6/22/2015 6:09:52 PM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Nemo

Quote# 109920

[On the Charlie Charlie game]

It's just like "slender man". Another you tube thing that led two girls to stab another one. It was on the news sometime last year. The girls said "slender man" told them to do this. Of course the media and other specialists tried to analyze and reason why the two girls would do something like this. I felt strongly it was demonic influence and from the details it seemed this slender man thing is similar.

The enemy is after our children in this last days from the stuff that's going on.

Shadowfeet, Rapture Ready 11 Comments [6/22/2015 6:09:47 PM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 109919

[Fundies have been talking about the Charlie Charlie game]

I was telling a coworker the other day about this very issue. As I was explaining to her how the challenge worked , she looked at me and said "well did they summon anything ?" Then she goes on to answer herself, "Of course not". You see many of these kids have parents who don't believe in demons who think on an empirical level that this is all hysteria and nonsense. I tried to tell her that this was real but I could tell she was skeptical. So the devil wins twice.... That is truly frightening. We have lots to pray for in this day and time.

sbtgf, Rapture Ready 14 Comments [6/22/2015 6:07:43 PM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 109918

[On the Charlie Charlie game]

Just saw an article on this today. I can't post the link because it's not from an acceptable source but it said children have been hospitalized for mass hysteria and mysterious bruises after playing this game. Of course scientists are downplaying it saying it has to do with gravity.

Patty13, Rapture Ready 10 Comments [6/22/2015 6:07:39 PM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 109917

The Lord has made Himself known to every being on this planet through the Holy Spirit when Jesus sent Him. That nagging feeling in the back of your head assures you that the Bible is the only way to peace and Heaven. When a person is in their most dire need, who do they call out to or reach for even when they have never heard of the Gospel of Christ? They look up to God even if they don't know He exists mentally but spiritually because in their heart they have a realization of God. At that point is when God draws them to His Son. The Holy Spirit is our confirmation that the Bible is the only Word of God and that His Son Jesus Christ is the only path to The Father. Every other religion out their has no confirmation whatsoever, all 39,000 of them are what if's. If you want to follow a what if religion, that is your choice. God won't stop you and He won't give up on trying to bring you to Him.

Teman Dudley, Christian News Network 10 Comments [6/22/2015 5:53:08 PM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 109916

The appeasement of pagan religious beliefs is what started Catholicism. It is simply happening again, with governments forcing people to acknowledge and accept all forms of religion. Behind the scenes, sometimes apparent and sometimes subtle, those who are consumed by the love of money are being used by Lucifer to push this agenda forward.

Satan keeps pushing one of his most lethal lies - that Catholicism is Christianity. Those who know Jesus, will not only reject Islam, they will also reject Catholicism. On a different front from secular government - a more religious front - Catholic leadership is wooing as many religious sects as they can to unite under their false banner.

Those who follow Jesus, those who know Jesus, will not be accepted by the world - both the religious and non-religious world. The Truth stands for Eternity and will not be altered or changed by societies and their governing bodies.

There is only One Faith. All other belief outside the Truth, who is Jesus (the) Christ, is Unbelief. Unbelief is rejecting the Truth and believing the Lie.

The End of this Age is near. The final steps are being taken. Those who Watch, those who continue to love and follow the Son of God will be saved. Those who do not will be cast away by God into Eternal Damnation.

FoJC_Forever, Christian News Network 6 Comments [6/22/2015 5:51:29 PM]
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