Quote# 110393

Scalia’s dissent on the Obamacare verdict, despite all of its bravado, is utterly, totally devoid of virtue or merit unless and until Scalia RESIGNS.

This is the point I have been desperately trying to make for years, to pretty much zero avail. Continuing to engage a blatantly, obviously illegitimate paradigm is totally irrational and immoral, and belies a serious lack of character. Scalia can give us all the rhetorical candy he can come up with, but until he resigns he is a rank hypocrite, and this is undeniable precisely because he has demonstrated in writing, in a SCOTUS dissent no less, that he sees and understands exactly what the situation is vis-a-vis the Rule of Law in the former United States.

But, but, but… his SALARY! And his PENSION! And, and, and people might not be nice to him if he resigns in protest! And, and, and that would just give Obama the ability to appoint another commie!

Because after having the entire notion of the Rule of Law formally and explicitly shredded in the Obamacare decision, and the Natural Law CRIMINALIZED in the sodomite marriage decision a few minutes ago, WE HAVE SO MUCH TO LOSE AT THIS POINT. Am I following your thought process correctly? Boy, if Obama gets to appoint another SCOTUS seat, something REALLY BAD MIGHT HAPPEN! Do I have that about right? Eyeroll.

It’s over. It’s been over for years. We all consented to living under the Law of the United States of America and consented to pay taxes TO THAT NATION. That nation NO. LONGER. FLIPPING. EXISTS. and hasn’t for years. What you must now decide is whether or not you CONSENT to be governed by an explicitly, openly evil tyrannical oligarchy. The most clear and obvious sign of consent is the paying of taxes. Just sayin’.

Ann Barnhardt, Barnhardt.biz 15 Comments [7/3/2015 1:39:36 PM]
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Quote# 110129

With Obummer calling for your guns after the recent occurrence in Charleston, South Carolina we need to remember that it is guns that could have protected those people in that church not gun control. The pastor from that church was saying this very thing on the news.



Steve Reichert, Facebook 24 Comments [7/3/2015 1:37:27 PM]
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Quote# 109992

Please help
I have gone through deliverance session in the past and was rid of masturbation.
But after chatting with a girl on Facebook, I was careless to think I could stay strong. The chat was kind of hot and as a result I fell again in the sin of masturbation.

The problem is now as soon as I chat to another girl my hand automatically goes to my organ and start "playing" with it.

Can someone help me? How to close the door? What should I do?

Thanks

flying eagle, Ministering Deliverance 17 Comments [7/3/2015 1:36:55 PM]
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Quote# 109937

(tumblr psa: dont use ouija boards!!! you never know what kind of spirits you’re inviting into your life

me: nice try but none of u can stop me from using this glow in the dark hasbro piece of garbage 2 ask oscar wilde for fashion advice)

my advice: do not fuck with the spirit world, don’t take it lightly, you’re young and naive and completely unaware of how any of it works. This is one thing you don’t want to find out you were wrong about the hard way.

stvr-gvzr, Tumblr 8 Comments [7/3/2015 1:36:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 110389

Galatians 6:9 comes to mind. I have a family member that was living in a homosexual relationship with another woman for over 20 years. I never stopped praying for her and when she asked for approval for the way she was living I told her the truth in love, that I loved her, always would but I could never, would never accept her sin and that more importantly God would never accept it and I just tried to show her Christ's love. I tried not to debate her, just gave her the verses to read. She would scream at me and throw all kinds of hateful words my way, yes it hurt, but I'm glad God put it in my heart not to give up on her.

There came a time when she told me she and the woman got married, I was grieved in my soul but I continued to pray. We lost contact for a few years and then she came around again. Something had changed, she was no longer happy in her sin and she revealed that her life had been a living hell as a result of living that lifestyle. She had gained 150pds the woman had stolen everything she had and she was miserable and hated her life.

I knew the Lord was bringing her to a place in her life where she had no where to turn but to Him. She had always been the 'man' in the relationship, shaved head, shaved her face, tattoos all over her arms, men's clothing, the whole nine yards. But within a span of a few months I saw a miracle take place before my eyes!

The physical change was a thing to behold, she lost the weight, grew her hair out, dressed in feminine clothes, her voice even became soft, a beautiful young woman began to emerge, but the biggest change was her heart! She had given herself to the Lord and He had changed her life and saved her. She is a wonderful and dynamic witness to what God can do in a persons heart. No one is beyond the reach of the Lord, and He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the saving knowledge of Him.

Was it something that I had told her a long time ago that finally took root??? I don't know but I do know this, the Lord answers prayer and he is still in the business of saving sinners so don't give up, keep planting the seeds and stay the course especially when the going gets tough. You might think the things you say aren't getting through but you just never know how the Lord is working in someone's life. Be not discouraged, be of good cheer, stay the course, this is the Lord's battle.

standfortruth, Rapture Ready 29 Comments [7/2/2015 1:47:07 PM]
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Quote# 110388

Atheists are able to adhere to the view and practice of “do unto others.” They just don’t have any (known) recourse for their mistakes, which can make them throw up their hands in despair. Many times they find their values in the discoveries of Science — and science eventually confirms what the Bible said all along, since the Bible is the Truth, for instance in regard to the permanent effects of oxytocin (released during sex) on the brain: it has now been confirmed scientifically through studies of the brain that we only truly can bond with one individual, after that, the adhesive or velcro of intimacy starts to wear off. I am seeing a psychologist who is an atheist, and it works for me. He is more honest and empathetic than a lot of Christians. We do however deal only in the “here and now”. It is more a life coaching kind of thing than “tell me about your mother,” which is why it works for me, I think. Also, I did let him know up front that I would like to get through the course of therapy with my Faith intact, so he tip toes around that topic and my values with respect and gives it a lot of space.

pg, Wintery Knight 24 Comments [7/2/2015 1:46:37 PM]
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Quote# 110387

Homosexuality is about perverted sex, not Love. The recent SCOTUS ruling has emboldened the Wicked to become even more aggressive. Homosexuality is a top tier sin of sexual lust.

Don't expect fair treatment from law enforcement that supports and practices this sin. The hatred that boils within them will drive them to many extremes.

Judgement is coming.

FoJC_Forever, Christian News Network 26 Comments [7/2/2015 1:45:58 PM]
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Quote# 110386

It's fascinating that out of all the evil in the world, people are so focused on Christianity. Is it possible that they are being convicted in their heart somehow and by attacking Christianity, they believe they will escape the truth?

But! It's not too late for those that foolishly chase the lusts of the world.

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Steven, Christian News Network 20 Comments [7/2/2015 1:45:11 PM]
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Quote# 110385

Don't worry my fellow Christian brothers. The Muslims are preparing a massive army of trained assassins to start killing all the leaders of these godless homosexual pedophile organizations so that the people of the book can once again live in peace with each other on this earth as was G-ds original plan.

The only language that the atheist understands, is death. You cannot reason with an atheist once he has decided to establish his religion as the supreme religion of planet earth.

We will focus every single Muslim terrorist organization under one, banner, and with one mission. To rid the earth of all homosexual terrorists, starting with their leaders.

Frank, Christian News Network 23 Comments [7/2/2015 1:44:25 PM]
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Quote# 110384

There's no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [sodomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

Genesis 19:7-9 "And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."

Luke 17:28-30 "So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed."

Romans 1:18-32 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It's not just Paul that pointed it out.

Genesis 19:4-13 "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be raped to keep them from having_sex with another man - shows rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it."

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

Deuteronomy 23:17 "There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."

1 Kings 22:46 "And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land."

1 Kings 15:11-12 "And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made."

2 Kings 23:7 "And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove."

Ezekiel 16:49-50 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

And the "pride" parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

Matthew 19:4-5 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?"

Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband. And only two people off opposite gender can become "one flesh".

May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

Reason2012, Christian News Network 17 Comments [7/2/2015 1:44:06 PM]
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Quote# 110382



Mike Huckabee, Facebook 33 Comments [7/2/2015 1:42:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Ibuki Mioda

Quote# 110381

On Tuesday, he released a three-step plan on how, if he became president, he would defend those who support traditional marriage. The plan includes:

• Signing religious liberty executive orders. The executive orders would protect businesses, churches, universities and other entities from discrimination or civil or criminal penalties for exercising their religious beliefs in support of traditional marriage, according to the release by Huckabee's campaign.

• Prosecuting hate crimes against people of faith. The release said that Huckabee, if elected president, would direct the U.S. Attorney General to prosecute as hate crimes groups or individuals who discriminated or attacked individuals, businesses, religious organizations and others for their religious beliefs about marriage.

• Defending people of faith in the U.S. military. Huckabee would direct the Secretary of Defense to support military chaplains and "not force them to participate in ceremonies they find objectionable on religious grounds," the release said.

Mike Huckabee, Mike Huckabee for President 27 Comments [7/2/2015 1:42:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Ibuki Mioda

Quote# 110380

[[ How can you justify the very real possibility of leaving your children motherless over a high risk pregnancy? Where's the value on their life now that they're out? On yours? Maybe you should ask your four year old who he'd rather have die... Mommy or the baby he hasn't met yet. You make me fucking sick. I hope you realize that if you die, you have decided your son doesn't deserve a mother, you have chosen the unborn over the living breathing boy in front of you.]]


What kind of Mother can hold one child in her arms, then the other in her body; both inside her heart, then consciously choose to take one of their lives for the sake of her own?

About 6 months into my pregnancy I remember my son asking me during dinner, “Mommy, if a woman who is pregnant with a baby dies can they still save the baby?

A man or woman who leaves his/her family and risks his/her life for his country is a hero, but a woman who would die for her child revolts you. Unfortunately you share some of the same values as our current society; that an innocent human life can be measured or weighed against another’s. That because I am a woman and have the ability to bear life, that I should also have the ability to take that life away.

I’ll have you know that each of my four children (¾ of them were unplanned by me, but planned by God, pregnancies) were all high risk. Each and every one of them I suffered D.V.Ts and P.E.s, all extensive, excruciating, and fatal. Perhaps if we were fighting for real woman’s health, I would have been able to get on the required shots (about $4,000-7,000 a month-Lovenox) and medication that my insurance fought against me for, that would have prevented all of these clots, rather than only being able to take them after I developed life threatening clots.

For some reason our current society believes woman’s health is the power to take the life of a human being, and contracepting her natural and normal working fertility. We are only “powerful” women in this society when we disrespect our healthy bodies with medication, from the time we first get our periods. We are told as young girls that in order to be in a relationship we must reject ourselves and our bodies natural functions, that we must loath our fertility, and view our very wombs as plagues. I already have the gift to give life, why do I need the power to take life away?

We are told that instead of educating a women’s body about her natural fertility and infertility periods through the use of N.F.P, which is 99% effective for every woman (regular and irregular periods), we should take this pill, this shot, this patch and place objects in our bodies and then label this “Woman’s Health Care.” I refuse to believe that by contracepting my body to become barren like a man will gain me some sort of power and respect. I am a woman and I expect to be expected by society as a whole, as I was born.

I apologize to all the young girls being shoved into their fist exams at 14 to be placed on a seemingly mandatory medication.

I apologize to all the young girls being led to believe that their bodies’ natural functions are a disease, a pre existing condition.

You deserve to be educated and informed about your body, and its beauty.

I am also deeply sorry if you believe that one of my four children are less precious to me because I had yet to see their face. I’m sorry if you are revolted that I cannot choose one child or the other, or choose my own life over my child’s. I know it’s hard to believe that there is love beyond what our eyes can see, in a consumerist world in which places values on humans based on what they produce, rather than simply because they are human beings.

And I will have you know, that the when I sat down to tell my children that I was pregnant with their sibling, my 8 year old son broke down in tears, “Mommy, I am just so happy. I have been praying for you to have another baby.”

The first time I felt my baby kick was standing in Mass singing a hymn, my 7 year old son pressed against by belly as he held his unborn sibling. When he felt the movement against his cheek, he glanced up on me to confirm that what he had felt was his sibling, seemingly responding to his loving embrace. And I will have you know, my four year old daughter teared up with delight to find out her unborn sibling was in fact a little girl, and she would finally have the little sister she too had been praying for.

Mostly, I am sorry for those that believe that in the event I would have died for one of my children that they would be without a Mother. Death does not remove me from their lives and their hearts. The day they place my body into the ground, will not be the day that every kiss I ever gave them washes off, that every story I ever read will be forgotten, that every laugh we ever shared will fade away into a frown. Nothing will stop me from living in their lives, and my children, completely aware of the risks I took to bring them into this world, never second guessed their happiness about their new sibling. Not during the 3 times I was admitted into the hospital, not during the twice a day injections into my stomach, not during the 4 hour bi-weekly office visits they patiently sat through, waiting to hear their siblings heart beat and a blurry black and white profile of their siblings face on the ultra sound.

My children have been raised to understand and value love and life, as I suffered lovingly through each and every one of their pregnancies with the possibility of death.

I don’t want the power to take another human’s life, and if you truly understood the value of life, you wouldn’t want that either. And although my children are all completely aware of the risks, I find it extremely disturbing to ask one of my children to choose between a sibling and his/her mother. Is this a choice, truly?

How can we as humans, born to love as the fish are born to swim and the birds are born to fly, desire the power to choose take another human beings life? Can we not see how infinitely precious we are?

Alwaysbeautifullife, tumblr 18 Comments [7/2/2015 1:42:03 PM]
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Quote# 110379

[On comparing forced pregnancy to forced organ and blood donation]




Blood and plasma donations may not cost you an organ, but they are still as permanent as organ donation in the sense that you never get back what you donated. To me, the distinction between the temporary and permanent sharing of resources is that which is between what all parents can reasonably be expected to give, and what they can’t. This is why I drew the distinction between safe and life-threatening pregnancies, which I’ll address in a minute.

I’m curious, what do you mean by saying that the pregnant person would no longer have the right to choose what their body is being used for? Of course, pregnancy can be associated with some physical restrictions, but consider this: does the fact that the existence of my child restricts my ability to achieve certain physical feats, give me the right to intentionally end their life? This takes us back to the question of what can reasonably be expected of me as a parent to provide for my child. At the very least, I have the obligation to obstain from intentionally causing them harm (which in the case of pregnancy would default to simply leaving them alone till they’re born). This should be the case regardless of their current environment.

I don’t agree with abortion as a solution to pregnancies resulting from rape and incest. Are they more demanding on the mother, at least emotionally? Yes. Are they a physically unreasonable feat of provision, like donating a vital organ? No. To say that rape and incest are justifiable cases to abort is to say that born people who were conceived under those circumstances are less human than those who were conceived consensually. Circumstances of conception can no more determine human worth than viability can.

My opinion of what constitutes an unreasonable feat of provision would be the mother’s life ending if she should she continue the pregnancy. Even in these cases, I think any and all measures should be taken to save both her AND the child. But in the event that they should have to be separated in order to save her life, I submit that it would still be unethical to use any procedure which dismembers and/or intentionally ends the life of the child. They should be removed intact (induced labor or cesarean section) and given the opportunity to live or die on their own terms. And yes, when abortions become illegal, I believe these life-saving procedures should still be legal to perform under the given circumstances.

betterthanabortion, we deserve better 8 Comments [7/2/2015 1:41:53 PM]
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Quote# 110378

There are three main facets of the bodily autonomy argument: 1) the idea that there is no significant relationship between the pregnant person and the fetus, 2) the idea that denied access to abortion is equatable to “forced organ donation,” and 3) the idea that “consent can be revoked at any time.” If we can make our way through these points while remaining consistently pro-life for BOTH the mother and child, we can come to the logical conclusion that supporting one’s rights to bodily autonomy is not synonymous with supporting abortion. In fact, it is synonymous with being against abortion, because abortion robs someone of their right to life AND their right to their body.

Argument 1: The Parent/Child Relationship
Biologically speaking, a fetus is the “offspring” (or child) of the pregnant person. This means that by default, pregnant persons are biological parents. Since we know that a child’s life begins at the moment of their conception, we can conclude that parenthood also begins at this point. The law dictates that parents should not only refrain from intentionally causing harm to their children (which is the case in most abortions), but are also obligated to provide what resources they reasonably can to keep their children alive and safe from harm, unless and until they can transfer them to another’s care. A healthy, non-life-threatening pregnancy is not an unreasonable feat of provision, and since parenthood begins when pregnancy begins, that’s when the principle of parental obligation should begin to apply. Anything less constitutes an inconsistency in the legal system.

Argument 2: Pregancy =/= Organ Donation
When presented with Argument 1, many pro-choicers argue that parental obligation does not require parents to give organs or blood against their will. They then make the case that in order to be pro-life, one must be in support of forced organ donation. But the difference between pregnancy and organ donation is like that which is between me giving my child a ride somewhere in my car, and handing them the title to the car. Pregnancy is a temporary sharing of resources between a mother and her child, and is not comparable to the permanent removal and loss of an organ. It does not deprive a mother of the use of any of her organs. In fact during and after pregnancy, her organs continue to serve their natural purpose for both her AND her child while remaining wholly hers. The fact that she cannot kill her fetus to stop the sharing of her resources with him/her does not diminish her ownership of her body.

Argument 3: “Consent” as an Excuse for Negligence
After being presented with Arguments 1 and 2, some may still make the counterclaim that the “consent” a fetus requires to remain in their mothers’ uterus (where they were forced by her and their father to be in the first place) is a continuum which can be revoked by the mother “at any time for any reason.” However in the case of abortion, “revoking consent” involves ending the life of one’s child by intentionally denying them resources which the parent is able to give, until they die. While this cannot legally be considered murder, it IS child neglect, and should not be legal under any circumstance. And since there is no significant difference between a child who is in the womb, and the same child after they’re born, anyone who is going to make this argument must also justify a parent’s “right” to neglect their born child with the intention of letting them die.

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I too believe that everyone should have the right to control their bodies, which is why I am against abortion. No one should have the right to crush a child to death to absolve themself of parental obligation.

betterthanabortion, we deserve better 8 Comments [7/2/2015 1:41:46 PM]
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Quote# 110375

The phrase “culture war” is a little bit like the word “abortion.” Both terms exist to obscure and soften what they really mean. Everyone knows that abortion means the termination of unborn life, yet the term itself is a neutral one, having no special lexical connection to fetal life or even the medical profession. The reality behind the word is muddled by the word itself; thus, voters can feel in the word “abortion” a valuable human right of sexual autonomy that they wouldn’t feel in a term like “fetal suction aspiration.”

“Culture war” is another (though less toxic) species of muddle-word. Most people understand what it means–the aggregated debates and legal contests between conservatives and progressives on issues like abortion, euthanasia, education, and marriage. But look closely at the phrase. It is ambiguous and a little superficial (“culture” can mean anything from philosophy to food to the Kardashians), and more than a little negative and combative. Combine those elements and you get a word that conjures up images of low-stakes shouting matches between factions that probably have no skin in the game beyond the political power they’d love to wield over the lives of strangers.

This connotation is why, I think, it’s so commonplace to hear people disparage the notion of “culture war.” The critique is often predictable: Culture war is causing division and acrimony in American society, with no real benefits other than power and influence to those waging it from above, and therefore we should stop culture warring and learn to love. Nike could summarize it as: Just Don’t.

I think David Brooks is giving too much credit to this erroneous understanding of culture war in his column today at The New York Times. The beginning of Brooks’ piece shows that he understands the greater spiritual and human dimensions to contemporary cultural debates. He surmises, correctly, that traditional Christianity is no longer a merit badge for Americans, and that many Christians now fear being seen as “pariahs” in their own communities. Having lost the battle for the legal definition of marriage last week, Christians and social conservatives, according to Brooks, now have a choice: Do they “fight on,” (to use Brooks’ description of this SCOTUS symposium last week at First Things), or they make a change?

Consider putting aside, in the current climate, the culture war oriented around the sexual revolution.

Put aside a culture war that has alienated large parts of three generations from any consideration of religion or belief. Put aside an effort that has been a communications disaster, reducing a rich, complex and beautiful faith into a public obsession with sex. Put aside a culture war that, at least over the near term, you are destined to lose.

Consider a different culture war, one just as central to your faith and far more powerful in its persuasive witness.

This other culture war that Brooks is describing would be, in his words, the war against social “formlessness and radical flux.” Brooks believes that this culture war is a war against poverty, familial decay, social stagnation, and loess of transcendence. In his words:

The defining face of social conservatism could be this: Those are the people who go into underprivileged areas and form organizations to help nurture stable families. Those are the people who build community institutions in places where they are sparse. Those are the people who can help us think about how economic joblessness and spiritual poverty reinforce each other. Those are the people who converse with us about the transcendent in everyday life.

Yes and amen. This is precisely what conservatives should be doing. The question is: Why must they be doing this OR fighting for marriage, instead of AND fighting for marriage?

It seems to me that Brooks is oscillating between a right and a wrong understanding of culture war. On the one hand, he says that speaking transcendence into a individualistic, fragmented society is a sort of “culture war.” He’s right. Personal autonomy, a doctrine that features prominently in the philosophy of the Sexual Revolution, has wrecked my generation onto an island of loneliness, shattered homes, and relational backwardness. Going against the religion of personal autonomy is culture war.

On the other hand, Brooks seems to think of the culture war over traditional marriage as an expendable sort of culture war. It’s a culture war that we should opt out of if we decide, in Brooks’ words, that “the defining face of social conservatism” is not one that is winning over our neighbors. If talking about marriage and the more explicit features of the Sexual Revolution makes us politically anathema, then, Brooks writes, we should change what we talk about.

But the culture war that Brooks thinks we should be having is connected in a meaningful way to the one he thinks we shouldn’t be having. Warring against society’s brokenness is, especially for Christians, a war against living, spiritual realities. Christian theology has a word for the decrepit state of our world, and the word is sin. Sin is why things are not the way they should be. For Christians who understand the world through the lens of Scripture, the battle for civilization is not ultimately a battle for civilization but a battle for souls, a battle to proclaim the victory over sin, both at the individual and societal level, achieved on the cross by the Son of God.

You can see how the term “culture war” obscures reality. For “culture war” is not, as its cynics might suggest, an intramural spat between aspiring gatekeepers but a spiritual and philosophical struggle for ideas and institutions that genuinely matter. Certainly there are skirmishes of the culture war that deserve far less attention than they receive. But my generation’s confusion about the definition of marriage is not simply a tug-of-war between the remnants of the Religious Right and the emerging “post-Christian” Left; it is a confusion about who we as human beings are, why we exist, and to Whom we belong.

I think David Brooks understands this. What I wish he would have written is that the definition of marriage and the personhood of the unborn are precisely the kind of ‘transcendence” that social conservatives must be speaking into our culture. I wish he would have directed our attention to the legacy of the pro-life movement, a generation of “culture warriors” who have fought in the shadow of Roe v. Wade for 40 years to win not just laws but hearts and imaginations to see the personhood of the unborn. From free health clinics to crisis pregnancy centers to shelters for those fleeing the sex industry, pro-life conservatives have spoken a Gospel word of hope and salvation to a post-Roe society, a word that has borne much fruit and will, I believe, bear much more. Would such fruit have happened if these pro-lifers had determined that the cause of the unborn was no longer a “persuasive witness”?

The Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage last Friday may not be as lethal as its redefinition of personhood in 1973, but the fact remains that marriage is a transcendent, spiritual institution, one whose right ordering is of urgent interest in any society that wishes to flourish. It matters that our laws reflect a proper valuation homes with mothers and fathers. This is a culture war worth carrying on, because culture war isn’t just political theater. It’s a conversation about the shape of our society and where we must go to thrive. That’s a question worth getting right.

Samuel James, Samuel James Inklingations 19 Comments [7/2/2015 3:21:51 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

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Asking God to have His total way with us is the greatest offering we humans can bring Him. Nothing pleases God more than when His creatures come to Him in desperate longing, fully acknowledging that they are totally incapable of doing anything of value on their own. We serve a God who delights in dependency. He wants creatures who are frail and helpless. Maturity has nothing to do with learning how to do more for God—instead it is about embracing our desperate need for Him, and growing past the fear that He finds our total dependency to be some kind of burden.

God is not human, and the kind of relationship He wants with us is completely dysfunctional by human standards. If we were to approach other people the way that God wants us to approach Him, we would completely suffocate them. But God is a limitless Being with infinite resources, and the more souls He has depending on Him, the happier He is. Notice that God didn’t just stop with Adam and Eve. He has made zillions of high maintenance humans, and every day He is creating thousands more. Human parents burn out just trying to keep up with the physical needs of a single infant, yet God has all of our needs weighing on Him and He finds it exhilarating. What frustrates Him is when we refuse to acknowledge just what a delightful burden we are to Him. When we try to pretend that we can take care of ourselves without Him, He feels miffed and unappreciated. While Satan tries to convince us that God wishes we could contribute more to our own spiritual development, God is eager for us to see that we can’t contribute anything at all. We can pray and ask for Him to do everything for us, and then we’re fresh out of options. Wanting God is the beginning and end of what we have to offer Him, and He loves it.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 24 Comments [7/2/2015 3:21:44 AM]
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In Isaiah 44:8, Yahweh says:

“Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none.”

Of course there’s another God—there are two others, in fact: Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But because Yahweh kept insisting that He was the only God in existence, it made it more than a little hard for the Jews to accept the Divinity of Christ when He showed up in human form and announced He was another God who was equal to Yahweh in every way. Talk about Yahweh contradicting Himself with His absurd “I know of none” claim. Clearly God intentionally leads us astray about certain facts to suit His own pleasure.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 24 Comments [7/2/2015 2:53:40 AM]
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Obama is doing the devils work and distroying the USA and tryin his hardest to start a war among our own people here in America

Karen Huff Mason, Christian News Headlines 20 Comments [7/2/2015 2:53:19 AM]
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Whenever gay parades happen, those are good days to keep the family far away. I agree that those choosing homosexuality in all its forms have signed on to the anti- God and Christ kingdoms. They are so hateful, intolerant and vindictive of everything wholesome. I do not take joy in their condemnation, but trust God's final judgment. Parades he will allow in heaven will be gloriously free of this evil influence.

SoundMind, Christian News Network 20 Comments [7/2/2015 2:51:49 AM]
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On June 26, 2015 the Godless U.S. Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriages are now legal in all 50 states. It is wickedness! It is a sad day in America! Proverb 29:2, “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” The truth is that most Americans are against same-sex unions, but heathen Freemasons, liberals and Communists have taken over our country, demoralizing our youth in an attempt to turn our land into a secular state completely devoid of God. This is necessary for the New World Order to succeed, because Christianity is the biggest enemy of evil. (And may I say, there is no such thing as a “homosexual marriage” in God's eyes, because two people of the same sex cannot consumate a marriage as male and female.) Homosexuality is a filthy abomination in the sight of God!!!

Born-again Christians are in a difficult position today in America. The more that our American culture deteriorates into wickedness and Godlessness, the greater the contrast between the wicked and the righteous. One of our text verses from Proverbs 29:27 teaches that the contention between the unjust and the just (i.e., the wicked and the righteous) is permanent. The apostate churches today that are approving same-sex marriages are wicked in God's eyes. The Bible says that the wicked are an abomination to the just. Religious people who accept the homosexual community are unrighteous themselves!!!

2nd Corinthians 6:14, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” No Christian ought to ever sanction a same-sex marriage. It is evil. The Bible calls homosexuals “Sodomites,” linking the sin of homosexuality to the destruction which came upon Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 13:13, “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.” Genesis 19:24, “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven.” 1st Kings 14:24, “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.” Since two men cannot mate in normal fashion as a male and female, they have to SODOMIZE each other!!! Sodomy is truly a very risky perverted deathstyle that has been medically documented. ...

‘Gay’ Doctor, Stephen Goldstone: Anal Sex Like a ‘Battering Ram’ for which Your ‘Sphincter Is No Match’

Americans For Truth About Homosexuality
Monday, January 20th, 2014

Can you handle the truth about homo-sex? Most people can’t, because it is brutal (literally) and repulsive. Here is a quotation from Dr. Stephen Goldstone, an open homosexual and author of The Ins and Outs of Gay Sex. Dr. Goldstone is an Assistant Clinical Professor of Surgery at The Mount Sinai School of Medicine and an expert on “gay men’s health” and “anorectal disorders,” according to the (“gay”-affirming) Physicians Research Network [see their bio of Goldstone HERE]. This item is reprinted from 1999 issue of Lambda Report, the print predecessor to Americans For Truth.

As I wrote back then, “keep in mind that Goldstone is a ‘sex positive’ homosexuality advocate who dedicates his book to his [male] lover, Bruce.” Also, it seems obvious but it needs to be said: anal sex is also high-risk if practiced by heterosexuals [see this British web article and this interesting piece, "Women Are Having Anal Sex for All the Wrong Reasons"]. Tragically, pornography is helping to “mainstream” this destructive vice — which in saner times was described (by English jurist William Blackstone) as the “infamous crime against nature” – and “a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature.” –Peter LaBarbera, AFTAH

READ MORE FOR UGLY TRUTH: http://americansfortruth.com/issues/gay-sex-health-risks/

In December of 1999 at Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Chicago, I had my appendix removed. The surgeon made an incision about 4 inches long on my abdomen's right side. He performed a complex appendectomy, because he said my appendix was inverted and he couldn't find it when he cut into me. All of my blood vessels in my eyes had broken from the severe vomiting in the days before I knew what was wrong with my body. For 21 days (that's how long it took) the white area of my eyes were all red. My eyes looked really scary to say the least, with no white at all. For about 7-years I couldn't feel my nerves where the incision had been made. Touching the scar was like touching the table in front of me, no sensation at all. The nerves healed themselves (God is so amazing!), but it took about 7-years. So if you ever get surgery, your feeling where the surgery is done will come back, but it takes many years.

Anyway, the reason I am bringing this matter up is because the day after my surgery, the surgeon came to my hospital room to see how I was doing. We began talking and he shared with me a story about one of his patients, in which a homosexual's partner rammed a dildo so hard in his anus that he tore his intestines. The surgeon said that the homosexual man will have to wait about one month to get surgery, because they have to remove all the fecal matter from his intestinal area due to contamination before they can safely do the surgery. This is the type of horror stories that the homosexual community will never tell you... THE UGLY TRUTH!!! Homosexuals have no choice but to sodomize each other, which even the beasts of the field don't do to each other! And they call this LOVE? No my friend, it is sick perversion! Homosexuality is a choice, a sinful choice!

Truthfully, homosexuality is a filthy vile sin! Jude 1:7, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” God hates sin, all sin! God hates the perverted homosexual deathstyle, and so do I, and so should every born-again Christian who loves the Lord. Psalms 97:10, “Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.” Homosexuals, leftists and liberals are having a heyday right now since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex perversion.

In reality, the legalization of same-sex unions is nothing surprising for Christians, because we knew this would happen since 1963 when the U.S. Supreme Court banned God's Holy Bible and prayer from America's classrooms. Pedophilia is the next big trend coming to America. The fact of the matter is that sexual perverts are sexual perverts! We are already seeing the sexual exploitation of underaged girls in Dance Moms, music videos, Hollywood. It's only going to get much worse. The Godless social media, VH1, teen magazine, Walt Disney, television networks and Hollywood are going to keep pushing the moral boundaries toward the shocking, unthinkable, Satanic, taboo and freakish. Ah, but God is still on His throne!!! Let the heathen rage! Job 20:5, “That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Psalms 37:13, “ The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.” There is no true lasting victory for godless sinners! Isaiah 57:21, “There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.”

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 24 Comments [7/2/2015 2:50:13 AM]
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I have entered a bill to end Michigan's public official’s role in performing marriage ceremonies. When the door was opened to government involvement in marriage, like any other area where government "gets its nose under the tent,” you then submit to government distortions of marriage through regulations. If this legislation becomes law it will protect our public officials from having to perform same sex marriages and put the marriage licensing business back in the position of being in the realm of the churches and religious leaders. This only affects the licensing components related to performing the ceremonies themselves. As the government got into the licensing of marriages, it left behind what God intended and became an institution to be changed and adjusted as the secular powers saw fit.

I, like so many of you, stand wholeheartedly and unequivocally for traditional marriage and feel it should never have been opened by legislation to be within the Federal realm of authority. The proper role of regulation in the area of marriage, if at all, should have remained with the states. The Supreme Court, in this decision on marriage will be redefining marriage to being a contract between individuals and their government, and that will simply be a changing definition based on the needs and whims of government. Regardless of which way the Supreme Court decides, from here forward marriage will be whatever our Supreme Court decides. The contract that had been in place was between the man and wife on one side and God and His Holy word on the other side of the contract. I stand absolutely and completely behind the idea that marriage is between one man and one woman. This U. S. Supreme Court decision will potentially throw out thousands of years of Judeo Christian history and will be used as a massive hammer from the progressive movement over many areas of religious liberty and freedom of expression, within churches, within commerce and throughout society in general. It is one more step in the tearing down of the Judeo Christian foundation of our country.

The bill would still require a signed affidavit with two witnesses of the ceremony officiated by a religious leader, but it would no longer have the state sponsoring the unions and it would close the door to forcing our public officials to partake in the memorializing of the ceremonies.

Todd Courser, Todd Courser for state rep 24 Comments [7/2/2015 2:50:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

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"There's no scientific evidence of a god!"

Those who make such claims need absolute knowledge. Somewhere in the universe there may be knowledge they haven’t yet come across, which could be ample evidence. They are therefore forced to say that “as far as I know” there is no evidence. The word “science” simply means knowledge, and there is enough knowledge in the order of Nature that proves that God exists.

Ray Comfort, Facebook 29 Comments [7/2/2015 2:49:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Nemo

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The Huffington Post published this picture (see below) of the White House lit up with the colors of the rainbow, quoting this statement from the White House:

“Tonight, the White House was lit to demonstrate our unwavering commitment to progress and equality, here in America and around the world,” the White House said in a statement. “The pride colors reflect the diversity of the LGBT community, and tonight, these colors celebrate a new chapter in the history of American civil rights.”



Well, I do have a message for President Obama and five members of the US Supreme Court:

You did not invent marriage. God did.

Marriage was instituted by God when He created man male and female—Adam and Eve. In fact, Jesus Christ the God-man quoted from Genesis when He taught that the meaning of marriage is based on the history in Genesis (see Matthew 19:4-6)—that God made the first marriage with one male and one female and told them to multiply and fill the earth.

The president and the Supreme Court need to repent and return to the One who is in authority over them—the One who is the absolute authority, the Creator God who also put them in positions of authority (Daniel 4:3, 17, 37). He is the Creator God against whom these Washington leaders have rebelled as members of Adam’s race—the Creator God who stepped into history to pay the penalty for our sins so they can be reconciled to their God. With the rebellious person, God is “patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). Yes, the Supreme Court and the president need to repent of their mocking the first and most fundamental of human institutions that God ordained in Scripture: the family that God ordained with one man and one woman in marriage.

God Invented the Rainbow

The president did not invent the rainbow; God invented it, and He put the rainbow in the sky as a special reminder related to Noah’s Flood. God had sent the global Flood in Noah’s time as a judgment because of man’s wickedness in rebelling against the Creator. After the Flood had subsided, we read the following in Genesis:

Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying: “And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your descendants after you, and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.” (Genesis 9:8–17)

Yes, the rainbow was set up by God as a sign to remind us that there will never again be a global Flood as a judgment. But one day there will be another global judgment—the final judgment—and it will be by fire:

But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Peter 3:7–13)

The rainbow should actually remind us of four things:

1.God judged the wickedness of man at the time of Noah—and the evidence of that judgment is seen over the whole earth. Most of the fossil record is the graveyard of the global Flood of Noah’s day.

2.God had Noah build an Ark of salvation and it had one door. Noah and his family went through this door into the Ark to be saved. Jesus said, “I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved” (John 10:9). Noah’s Ark is a picture of Jesus, of salvation. In judgment, God provides salvation as a gift for those who will receive it.

3.As stated above, there will never be another global Flood as a judgment, but there is another judgment coming: when God will judge with fire and make a New Heavens and Earth.

4.God has provided an Ark of salvation for those who will receive it so we can spend eternity with our Creator and not suffer the consequences of our sin of rebellion by being cast into hell for eternity. Just as there was one door on the Ark, there is only one door by which we can go to heaven:

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (John 14:6)

Yes, we need to take back the rainbow and worship the One who invented the rainbow, and every time we see it be reminded of its true message.

Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis 23 Comments [7/2/2015 2:48:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

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[Context: After the US allowed gay people to marry, many Indians discussed whether India can get started on that path. Gay people in India are still technically considered criminals under section 377 of the IPC, and so GentleGawker asked Dr Swamy, a member of the ruling BJP government, why gay people do not deserve respect.]

@GentleGawker : Issue is not respect. We respect handicapped persons. Homos are genetically handicapped

Subramanian Swamy, Twitter 13 Comments [7/2/2015 2:46:44 AM]
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Submitted By: arcanephoenix