Quote# 122050

I would like to take on this claim of patriarchy being “irrational” directly. First of all patriarchy is not irrational in the slightest; patriarchy makes perfect sense. Patriarchy makes a lot more sense than feminism does; there is a lot more evidence supporting the legitimacy of patriarchy than there is evidence supporting the legitimacy of feminism. There are three main bases of atheist thought; the first is the theory of evolution. All atheists believe in evolution I would presume since all the other theories of the origin of life require a supernatural “creator” that by definition the atheist rejects. Another main bases of atheist thought is adherence to logical models of how the world works. Atheists rely on logically sound models of cause and effect that are at least hypothetically true and internally consistent. Since belief in the supernatural is contrary to atheism an explanation of how the world works must be logically consistent in order to be plausible. The third bases of atheist thought is statistics or empirical evidence. The model of reality an atheist proposes should match the objective evidence regarding the issue in question; statistics being the primary expression of objective reality.

So the atheist relies upon the theory of evolution, internally consistent logical models of how the world works, and statistical evidence to see how well a theoretical model of the world matches with reality. Now to the question of patriarchy. Is patriarchy consistent with evolution? Are there logically consistent and reasonable models of how a social system might work that support the idea of patriarchy being a good thing? Does statistical evidence support the idea of patriarchy being a good thing?

Regarding evolution patriarchy makes good sense. What is important in evolution is that the species survive; that children survive to adulthood and then have their own children who survive to adulthood; etc. In other words what matters most in evolution is children. Evolution doesn’t care about “women’s rights,” it cares about survival and survival in evolutionary terms means focusing on the well being of children. Patriarchy is all about children; most specifically it is about men supporting women so that the woman can focus on her children so that resources will be provided by the man to the woman to maximize the number and probability of survival of the woman’s children. In other words patriarchy is what makes the man invest in children. From the point of view of evolution this is exactly the goal. Patriarchy also represents division of labor where men and women specialize in different activities. Specialization provides survival benefits as specialization is more efficient. In this way specialization according to sex is something that will be selected for; it is something that provides an evolutionary advantage.

As far as patriarchy being consistent with a logical model of how a social system might work; patriarchy is based on division of labor and specialization. Men are better at some functions; women are better at other functions. Men are better at creating rule based systems and abstract thinking and focus and specialization. This leads men to be better at material acquisition, in the modern context making money, and gives men advantages in establishing order and exercising authority. Men have these advantages because women who preferred these characteristics in men were better provided for by men and so had more children who survived to adulthood. Women are better at interpersonal relationships, multi-tasking, and attention to detail. This leads them to be better at direct child care and maintaining the home environment. Women have these advantages because men who preferred these characteristics in women had more children who survived to adulthood. The social system where men are in charge and provide for women then does the best job of caring for children which then leads to a successful and sustainable social system. Patriarchy makes the best use of the natural advantages of men and the natural advantages of women; therefore patriarchy is good.

As far as patriarchy being consistent with statistical evidence; there is a huge amount of statistical evidence in support of patriarchy. The biological heterosexual married couple family is by far the best environment to raise children in. This is not disputable as there are a large number of studies that consistently point to this fact. This is based on looking at the outcomes of children raised in married biological families compared to children of divorce or children raised by single parents. The children raised by both their biological married parents always do better on average on a number of indicators than children raised in “alternative” family environments. Furthermore there are a number of studies showing less behavioral problems in children raised by stay-at-home mothers as compared to children who have spent a lot of time in daycare. Patriarchy maximizes the number of these ideal family situations; it maximizes the number of stay-at-home mothers and it minimizes divorce and out-of-wedlock births. Comparing 1900 to today the divorce rate was 8% in 1900 but is about 50% today (the divorce rate was 3% in 1870); the out-of-wedlock birth ratio among whites was about 1% in 1900 but is about 30% today; the proportion of married women working among whites was about 3% in 1900 and is about 60% today (these statistics are for the United States). The indicators of family disorder have literally increased 20 fold over the past 100 or so years; in addition fertility has gone from far above replacement rates to below replacement level. The statistical evidence that feminism is a bad thing and that therefore patriarchy is good is overwhelming.

Patriarchy is consistent with evolutionary theory, it is a perfectly sound and reasonable basis for organizing society, and it is supported by a vast amount of statistical evidence. Feminism on the other hand is only supported by empty assertions and wishful thinking that men and women despite all their obvious differences are in fact functionally the same. Patriarchy is completely rational and consistent with the atheist’s reliance upon logically defensible models of reality and supporting empirical evidence. It is feminism that is irrational and dependent upon magical thinking and superstitious faith in “gender equality” to be maintained. I don’t personally care about how much “rage” I generate among atheist feminists; as an atheist I only care about where the evidence leads and objective reality. The evidence supports patriarchy, this is why I as an atheist support patriarchy; it is as simple as that.

Jesse Powell, secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com 21 Comments [10/15/2016 2:55:52 AM]
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Submitted By: PETF

Quote# 122046

Sen. Jeff Sessions, a Donald Trump supporter and longtime prosecuting attorney, said Sunday that he was unsure whether forcibly grabbing a woman’s genitals without gaining her consent was sexual assault.

Trump was caught on audio boasting in 2005 that he could kiss women or “grab them by the p*ssy,” and there was nothing they could do about it because he was a “star.”

Sessions said after Sunday night’s debate that Trump used “improper language,” but he refused to characterize the Republican presidential nominee’s actions as sexual assault, reported The Weekly Standard.

“I don’t characterize that as sexual assault, I think that’s a stretch,” Sessions said. “I don’t know what he meant.”

The magazine again asked Sessions, who served as a U.S. from 1981 to 1993 and as Alabama’s attorney general from 1994 to 1996, whether grabbing a woman by the genitals was sexual assault.

“I don’t know,” Sessions said. “It’s not clear that he — how that would occur.”

Jeff Sessions, Raw Story 20 Comments [10/15/2016 2:55:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 122044

America by and large has thrown God and Christianity out of the culture, but it is suddenly using Christian morality to judge lewdness! It is interesting that much of the culture demands relative morality, but suddenly wants to apply Christian morality to a politician.

Now that many secular media are using Christian morality to judge politics, will they now also judge TV programs/movies by the same standard?

Secular media by and large scoffs at Christianity and Christian morality, but now appeals to its moral standards to judge in politics - completely inconsistent!

Ken Ham, Ken Ham's Facebook page 23 Comments [10/15/2016 2:49:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 122041

The Left desires NO conversation, rather a conflagration of destroying what they hate...US. They crave power, they abhor life. they crave collectivism and motivated to utterly eradicate capitalism. The Left exists on a plane of thought and existence that has no intersection with those who differ in view. Their desire is to destroy those they oppose and it's high time we understood that cold brutal reality. Will it take many of us going to the wall and facing their firing squads to finally realize that they were not kidding?

Charlie6, National review 16 Comments [10/15/2016 2:49:02 AM]
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Quote# 122040

Way back during the school bussing brouhaha in Boston, there was one activity that seemed worthwhile - strong opponents and supporters of bussing were put in a room without the media and left to their own devices. As I recall, they came out of the room hours later - not with agreement, but with a better understanding of where the other side was coming from, their goals and dreams, their fears and concerns. In other words, they had a conversation. This is not something even remotely possible at a national level, it could not be on TV, it could not be lead by politicians.

If it happened today, the conservatives would come out alive and the liberals would be dead. And on that day, we'd have taken one small step towards restoring the Republic.

Mainstream Mike, National Review 20 Comments [10/15/2016 2:47:37 AM]
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Quote# 122039

It is difficult for the proponent of the individual right to keep and bear arms to understand how any person would wish to outsource their own personal safety to another human being and surrender their right to defend themselves. Law enforcement officers are sheepdogs, standing in defiance of the wolves, but they cannot be everywhere at all times, nor would we want them to be. However, when you delve into the mind of the hoplosynanthropophobe, you encounter two very powerful emotions – denial and crippling fear.

While they fire off impassioned epistles about predators using fearsome-looking weapons to destroy the lives of scores of innocent people, they live in abject denial that such a thing could ever happen to them. When their fellow citizens speak of arming themselves in anticipation of such an event, it challenges the false sense of security that their denial has provided, and they lash out in fear. They then fall back on the unjustified gun-toter stereotypes they’ve constructed and gleefully use them to validate their fear.

The most fundamental right that all human beings have is the right to protect themselves and their loved ones from those who would seek to destroy them. Conversely, human beings also have the right to waive that privilege, for whatever reason, if they so choose. However, what we cannot do is force another human being to surrender his right to self-defense simply because we are uncomfortable with the possibility that a dangerous weapon might be in our midst.

For you hoplosynanthropophobes out there, be a sheep, if you like, but don’t expect the sheepdogs of society to put on a wool coat and join you. You can label gun-owners as Walter Mittys, rednecks, or Neanderthals until your self-importance meter is pegged out, but as civil trial attorney and author Kurt Schlicter advised one of Frum’s Twitter minions, make sure you wait to do it until after they’ve saved your life.

Jeremy Choate, Sufficient Reason 33 Comments [10/14/2016 4:23:42 PM]
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Quote# 122038

Dan Cathy, son of Truett Cathy and CEO of Chick-Fil-A, created a firestorm of controversy, recently, by announcing that he believes marriage to be defined as the union between one man and one woman. Predictably, the oh-so tolerant left has fixed its cannons on Chick-Fil-A and is currently engaged in a boycott against “hateful chicken.” While I do not begrudge the individual American citizen the God-given right to vote with his wallet, I am extremely disturbed by the blatant First Amendment violations that are potentially at hand with mayors of large American cities threatening to use the power of government to interfere in the business plans of a company because of the personal views of its chief executive. I hope that Constitutional principles will prevail, but in these days of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, my faith in judicial review is admittedly shaken.

One cannot turn on the television or peruse the internet, now, without being absolutely inundated with the language of marriage equality rights. Either the theories concerning the media echo chamber are correct, or someone is publishing daily talking points, since everyone on the left appears to be using this particular language. In fact, it was reported that the Democratic National Committee will announce marriage equality rights as an official plank of the Democratic Party platform at its convention in September. However, before declaring something as a foundational piece of one’s political dogma, it would help to ask if such a thing even exists.

Brace yourselves for a shock. Homosexuals enjoy the exact same rights as every other American group. This seems a controversial statement on its face considering that homosexual marriage is not yet legally recognized by the majority of states in the union. To those driven more by passionate emotional appeals than by reason and logic, this statement seems patently, even offensively, incorrect, but this statement is logically airtight based on the definition of what constitutes a right and based on the absurdities that arise when we carry the negation of that statement to its logical conclusion.

When I say that homosexuals enjoy the exact same rights as every other American group, I am actively denouncing the manifestly incorrect allegation that there is a ban on homosexual marriage. The truth is, if two homosexual people wish to engage in casual sex with one another, they have the same right to do so as any heterosexual couple; if two homosexual people wish to enter into a long-term, cohabitative relationship, they enjoy the same right to do so as two heterosexual people; moreover, if two homosexual people wish to be married, they have the same right as two heterosexual people to find a minister to consecrate their union and live happily ever after. The only so-called right of which homosexuals are denied is the legal recognition of that union by the state, but the shocking truth is, such a thing can never be construed as a right.

Jeremy Choate, Sufficient Reason 14 Comments [10/14/2016 4:23:40 PM]
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Quote# 122037

Keely asks: What evidence is there for the existence of God?

What Evidence are We Looking For?

When you ask about the evidence for God’s existence, the first question we have to ask is, “what evidence are we prepared to receive?” If you and I travel to an alien planet, and we find a million stones arranged in a perfect pyramid, even without seeing the cause, firsthand, or finding a plaque or having any idea who arranged them that way, we would quickly conclude that an intelligent agent was the cause. The pyramid, itself, would be the strongest evidence. In order to determine whether it occurred naturally or by intelligent design, there’s very little evidence we would require beyond our common intuition.

If you’re looking for evidence that will grab you by your intellectual lapels and force you into belief, there is not such evidence – OF ANYTHING. Even with my pyramid example, anyone can simply assert there is no proof that an intelligent agent created the pyramid and continue their inquiry into purely naturalistic causes.

Even in a murder case, there is no evidence that will force jurors into convicting or acquitting. Some evidence is more compelling than others, but since none of them were there when the murder was committed, they are taking the best evidence they have been presented, considering what is most plausible, and making the best judgment they can – but it’s still a leap of faith.

Jeremy Choate, Sufficient Reason 14 Comments [10/14/2016 4:23:28 PM]
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Quote# 122034

This is a recent satellite image of Hurricane Matthew, as it barreled through Haiti and now making its way through Bahamas. The US is its main impact point scheduled for late Thursday going into Friday.

Interesting that it has the face of a smiling skull. This is a non-doctored photo by the way.

The Bible says that God has His way in the whirlwind (tornadoes, typhoons, hurricanes) and the storm. It calls storm clouds the dust of His feet. *Nahum 1:3

In Isaiah 19:1 it states: "The Lord is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at His presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them."

Isaiah 29:6 says "From the Lord of hosts you will be punished with thunder and earthquake and loud noise, with whirlwind (tornadoes, typhoons and hurricanes) and tempest and the flame of a consuming fire.

People need to understand that storms and winds obey God's command. They are His servants. Jesus proved this when He rebuked the storm winds and the raging sea - and the weather obeyed Him. God often uses storms and other inclement weather to execute His commands.

There are towns in America for instance that had severe race problems in the past. Typically shortly after a lynching took place, a tornado would come through and level every building and house in town. There are towns in Louisiana that no longer exist due to hurricanes making them obsolete. Louisiana had some of the worst race problems in the past, as did many other states.

Once when Charles Mason, the founder of the Church of God In Christ was wrongfully incarcerated and mistreated in a town in Mississippi, that night a strong wind came out of nowhere and tore the roof off the jail and courthouse. The next day the town judge set him free and dropped all charges. Probably paid for his train passage out of town too.

In 1901 Pierce City, MO ran all of their black residents out of town. This came after a night of unbridled massacre where whites attacked and killed black residents. 102 years later an F-3 tornado leveled or damaged every house and building in the city, only skipping a few.

Residents fled to a nearby National Guard Armory that doubled as a storm shelter: the same armory where the white residents borrowed guns and firearms to use against their black neighbors 100 years earlier. The roof collapsed due to the strong winds, killing a person on the inside and wounding several others.

I could give one example after another about how God uses storms to do His bidding; especially during times of severe racial problems in the country. We should always look for the message in the storm. Is God speaking? What's He saying?

Is He pleased with our lifestyle choices, our laws, with the way we've been treating one another? Is He calling for change? And most important of all: are we prepared to give Him the change He desires? Remember: He's the boss, not us. That's what being "Lord" means. And if we're not willing to listen to these storms - what does God need to send in order to get our attention?

Anyway, my prayers are for the saints and Christians in Haiti, Bahamas, Cuba, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas along the east coast, and wherever else this storm passes through. This is not going to be a pretty one. I pray that God protects His people in the midst of the storm.



Mack Major, Facebook 45 Comments [10/14/2016 3:37:10 AM]
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Quote# 122033

[Discussing swastika-shaped crop circles]

These messages appear all over the world, but are mainly centred here in England - this has to be significant. The main area is also around Wessex, the ancient heartland of the West Saxons whose banner was the Golden Dragon of Germania.

The appearance of these symbols prove beyond doubt that the Esoteric War is directed by the Hidden Masters from a parallel world - the Inner Earth. From this Inner Earth emanates the Will of the Masters (Gods) who direct and guide the Aryan Initiates on this Earth. As I have stated before, I have been a witness to a very similar type of occurrence to that of the formation of a crop-circle, when I witnessed a kind of 'vortex-wind' that flattened grass near to an old stone circle in Gwynedd, North Wales, not far from a larger stone circle called 'Druid's Circle'. The power behind this 'vortex-wind' seemed to be intelligent and I could 'feel' its presence as it happened.

What we have in this Black Sun crop-circle is a symbol of the most ancient Hyperborea, but also connected to the later At-al-land in the North-west. Indeed, it fits the description of Plato's Atlantis too, which may have been a description of At-al-land - the 'Atland' of the Oera Linda Book and of Spanuth. It is a symbol of resurrection and thus may be connected to the idea of the Rising of At-al-land, or even to the resurrection of the Avatar. The latter is actually hinted at through the numerical sequences centred around the Mystical Number 88 and the Mystical Number 888.

[...]

Another link to the coming Avatar is contained in yet another numerical sequence contained within the complex structure of the formation. There are 12 Sig-Runes, each made up of 3 sections (12 x 3 = 36); add this to the Number 8 and we get 44, half of 88. But 44 itself is a Mystical Number of Importance, since David Lane (Wodensson) mentions in his works that there are 44 letters in the first verse of the 'Bible' (Old Testament) and 44 letters in the last verse (New Testament), adding up to 88. 'Jesus Christ' (or rather the White Krist of Revelation is referred to as 'The First and the Last' and 'The Beginning and the End', as well as the 'offspring of the Morning Star (Venus - see the piece on Quetzalcoatl).

The Black Sun crop-circle seems to be so complex in its form and meaning that it hardly seems likely that it has been done by human hands; indeed, it seems to have kicked up such a stir that people were stopped from going onto the fields to see it at the time. It would also seem that when the crop-circle appeared a comment posted about a picture of the formation on Facebook asked for it to be removed and censored - so afraid are our enemies of what is coming!

[...]

Looking through some of the stuff written about this crop-circle I found one which mentioned Quetzalcoatl which was designed to brush off the 'Nazi' connection of the Black Sun. Unfortunately for the writer it did no such thing and emphasised further links to the Mystical Number 88, as well as bringing the planet Venus into the equation - Quetzalcoatl having links to Venus. In fact Quetzalcoatl was another of the archetypes based upon 'He Who Returns'! He was the Feathered Serpent and one of the White Gods of the Americas who was prophesied to return after he left. Indeed, the Spanish Cortes was taken to be the return of the 'White God'.

Wulf Ingessunu, Inglinga 23 Comments [10/14/2016 3:37:03 AM]
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Quote# 122030

This is also a reflection of men who engage in interracial relationships.

Men who engage in interracial relationships have already rejected one aspect of conservative values (racial loyalty), so they probably reject other conservative values such as treating women with respect and not being promiscuous.

I understand that this is politically incorrect, but it would be wrong to ignore the big differences between those who race mix and those who don't.


Factsnotfeelings, Reddit 29 Comments [10/14/2016 3:16:44 AM]
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Quote# 122027

Maan Singh Khalsa was attacked while at a stoplight in Richmond, California, the Washington Post reports.

The attack occurred on September 25 around 9 p.m. local time, when Khalsa, a Sikh man who wears both a turban and long hair for religious reasons was confronted by a group of white men at a red light.

According to the report, the white male passengers pulled up next to Khalsa in a pickup truck, threw a beer can at him, and yelled and cursed at him.

One of the attackers allegedly yelled, “cut his f*cking hair!” They later pulled Khalsa’s head out of the car window at another red light, removed his turban and cut off his long hair.

In a statement, Khalsa said, “The attackers caused physical injuries and deep harm when they targeted my Sikh faith. I urge a thorough investigation so we can address the tide of violence and bigotry in this country.”

Two of the three men who were involved in the incident, Chase Little, 31, of Beaumont, Texas, and Dustin Albarado, 35, of Louisiana were arrested shortly after on felony assault charges in connection with the attack, but have since been released on bail, KTVU reports.

At this time, it remains unclear whether the Contra Costa County district attorney’s will charge the suspected attackers with a hate crime.

Khalsa was left with a swollen black eye, dental damage, and a finger that may need amputation. The Sikh Coalition legal director Harsimran Kaur said, “They started beating him in the face. They took a knife. His turban got knocked off. They ended up cutting off part of his hair.”

The Sikh Coalition wrote in a letter, “Targeting a Sikh’s turban and hair is analogous to targeting a Jew’s yarmulke or a Muslim’s hijab.”

Chase Little and Dustin Albarado, Raw Story 24 Comments [10/14/2016 3:16:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 122026

To Kasich, McCain, Chaffetz, Ryan and others I say:

"You that are "Without Sin"... cast the FIRST STONE"!!!..
This was 11 years ago...

Think about our country... and whats going to happen if Hillary is running it!!!!
A Christian is supposed to Forgive each other 70 times 70!!!!!

The Left wing media and liberals at Fox are keeping this story afloat.. and out of a Christian context!!! Where is forgiveness and mercy ?
Hillary is the alternative

TRUMP 2016

Logic1, WND 35 Comments [10/14/2016 3:16:21 AM]
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Quote# 122025

When you check other true stories about Trump and his kindness and compassion for people going back decades, you get a better understanding of who he is. They go unreported because he deliberately doesn't seek for them to be acknowledged.
Latest one is from Ed Martin (worked with Phyllis Schlafly at Eagle Forum). At her funeral, Trump pulled him aside while everyone was leaving and said he forgot to pay his respects/pray at her casket - so he did. No cameras or reporting and that's how he wants it.
My view is God is behind him and this whole experience is drawing him closer to God and learning even more about his own flaws more perhaps and growing spiritually.
Another testimony re a dream a Christian had:

"..in this dream a young lady from Alaska saw the White House and in one room was Hillary Clinton and in another room was Donald Trump. Trump was kneeling down weeping and broken and she said that in the dream she knew that people didn't know the kind of man he really was. In the dream he had the Bible open and he was reading Ezekiel 22:30, "I looked for a man to stand in the gap."

momprayn , WND 23 Comments [10/14/2016 3:08:59 AM]
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Quote# 122024

Trump apologizes for "pussy grabbing" video]

Men being men saying vulgar things in private. And this is news? I am Christian and do not like this kind of gutter talk, but how does this stand in comparison to the corruption and scandal of the Clintons? Liberals openly push perversion and immorality with LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ, threaten our security by allowing untold millions to invade our country, and seek every opportunity to strip us of our God-given, Constitutionally defined rights of freedom of speech, religion, and self defense. In the scheme of things, Trump is still preferable to Clinton any day when it comes to leading this country. The only one who can save any individual or country is Jesus.

We know this was released at this time so Hillary can try to make this the focus of the debate. I think Trump should have a list of every Clinton scandal and start reading it every time she tries to bring this up.

Beverly Owens, WND 29 Comments [10/14/2016 3:08:53 AM]
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Quote# 122023

like in Last House on the Left, had the two girls had sex with their captors, that chubbier bitch would still be alive but NOOOOOOOOOOOOO they had to make it a big deal and it almost kills the hot one, and the chubby one dies too. Just give in, let the men have control. Imagine how many women would be alive if they didn't make a big dela during rape?

legacyAccount, IGN 19 Comments [10/14/2016 2:56:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 122022

However…

Hillary Isn’t Effective

Aside from his charisma and persuasive abilities, the reason Barack Obama was so successful in selling his “fundamental transformation of America” was because he was almost a blank slate. He arrived with such meteoric velocity that he was more myth than man. Comparatively little was known about him. In four years, he went from obscure Illinois lawmaker to President-Elect. People could fill in the blanks with whatever they wanted to.

Hillary Clinton lacks this too. Everyone’s known her for decades. Her image can’t change. Young regressives voted overwhelmingly against her in the primaries and her lead among Millennials is dismal at best. Even Bernie Sanders, who drew massive crowds, barely drew 200 for Hillary. Millennial turnout will likely drop with black turnout. It’s hard to get excited about Hillary. Her reputation is just as negative among Millennials as everyone else. What’s Hillary running on? What’s the aspiration she’s selling?

There are many indications that there’s such little excitement for Hillary that even if she were to win, she would be a terrible salesperson for the regressives. They don’t like her and her ability to rally them is doubtful.

The spread of social movements isn’t only related to their truthfulness, but often with the status they convey on adherents. Accusing someone of witchcraft centuries ago was a way to decrease the status of the accused and increase that of the accuser by showing his or her piety to the prevailing orthodoxy. It’s no different now when someone is accused of whatever label that regressives like.

Barack Obama had a “coolness” factor allowing him to elevate the regressive left in power and status, from which it could look down on benighted souls that dared to dissent. Hillary lacks much of this. She may promote the regressive left and will work on its behalf, but it’s far from certain that she’ll continue to make it “cool.” It is instead possible that regressives will lose status because of her sheer incompetence and terrible salesmanship.

In the meantime, the counter culture that we’re part of will grow because of the lame symbol that is Hillary Clinton. It is to this counter culture that you can position your enterprising efforts, and I’m hedged in that way because one of my projects will be more relevant if Hillary wins.

So while Hillary Clinton will legally strengthen the regressives, it’s far from certain that she will add cultural force to them. She may in fact wind up weakening them with her lame and incompetent administration.

'Just Chilling In Cedar Rapids': Hillary Clinton Sends Snapchat Video… And It's Awful

Warhawk Resurgence

The biggest danger Hillary Clinton poses is that she’s never seen a war she hasn’t liked. Hillary has repeatedly called for a no fly zone over Syria, which would mean shooting down Russian aircraft. Moscow considers her an existential threat, and she reportedly believes that Putin would “back down.”

In truth, the Syrian conflict is probably more dangerous than anything in the Cold War. You have two sides armed by opposing powers in conflict with one another, and aircraft from those major powers flying sorties in the same narrow airspace. This is not something I want Hillary Clinton, a warmonger and an incompetent one, anywhere near.

There’s a reason why the GOP’s neocons have lined up behind Hillary. If she wins, we can at the very least expect continued destabilization of the Middle East and possibly other areas, which means even more “refugees” imported into the West and an increased risk of terrorism.

Conclusion

A Hillary Clinton presidency must be avoided at all costs. It’s vital for every ROK reader who is eligible to vote to turn out. This year’s “gender gap” is a reversal of the norm—Hillary Clinton is having deep trouble with men. It may just be men like you and I that decide things.

But if there is a silver lining to the worst case scenario, it may be that Hillary’s total lack of persuasive ability and her thoroughly corrupt reputation shred whatever credibility the establishment has left. By any reasonable measure her presidency would be a disaster, but in disaster lies opportunity. Perhaps this is being overly optimistic, and I understand that sentiment. But as Scott Adams remarks, you can interpret almost anything as good or bad news, so I try to find what good I can.

Louis Stuart, Return of Kings 13 Comments [10/14/2016 2:48:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 122021

What Would Happen If Hillary Clinton Wins?

Although I predicted a Donald Trump victory last fall, and my confidence in this outcome is higher now than ever, we must still prepare for the worst. As he himself mentions in The Art of the Deal, “prepare for the downsides and the upsides will take care of themselves.” A Hillary Clinton victory is still a big possibility and still the favored outcome on paper. We must therefore manage our expectations. If the worst were to happen, how bad would it be, and what can be done to survive and thrive?

While a Hillary Clinton presidency represents several unmitigated disasters that must be avoided at all costs, there are still, in my opinion at least, a few surprising silver linings that enterprising men can take advantage of, as disaster has always provided opportunities to those who saw them.

Gridlock

Whoever wins this election will be the most unpopular person ever elected President. This will make it very difficult for that person to govern. However, unlike Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton has no charisma. The result will be a regime that is deeply unpopular and distrusted, and will remain that way.

While Donald Trump may be able to use his powers of persuasion effectively, Hillary Clinton has no such powers. The media will certainly be on her side, but the media is already overwhelmingly distrusted and declining in influence rapidly. The proof is in the money. “Journalists” barely sell books, and Hillary Clinton couldn’t even sell 3,000 in its launch week. For a presidential candidate of a major party with a united establishment behind her, this is utterly embarrassing.

Time and again, the pattern has been: the more the public sees of Hillary, the more it dislikes her. Truthfully, there’s no better symbol to discredit the establishment than Hillary Clinton, whose incompetence, corruption, and lack of charisma and persuasive abilities will be symbolic of its moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

As people look for alternatives, whether in politics or in their personal lives, opportunities will open, and there’s no better symbol to stage a contrast with than Hillary Clinton (a face is always the best thing to attach a thought to, as per Scott Adams, and her face is guaranteed to generate strong emotions).

Supreme Court

Regardless of how unpopular she is, Hillary Clinton, if elected, could end up filling two or three vacancies if some older liberal justices decide to time their retirement for the occasion. This will likely permanently realign the court and make it a rubber stamp for any “social justice” endeavor that the regressive left wants to pass.

“Social Justice” Culture Will Get Worse

Men, especially on college campuses, will have to take special heed. It may become necessary to record all interactions with women if, as seems possible, the “misogyny” pilot program underway in the UK expands. This is especially so if “misogyny” becomes paired with the increasingly nebulous concept of “harassment” (all words engineered to shut down critical thinking and operate on confirmation bias).

Black Lives Matter will increase in power. Violence against dissenters will become more open and encouraged through selective enforcement. Islam will continue to demographically expand through accelerated “refugee” resettlement. More terrorist attacks in the US and Europe are certain, and the creep of Islam in mainstream culture will accelerate.

Decrees mandating the increased presence of “social justice” related initiatives in college, at the workplace, and in your neighborhood could well be passed. It’s possible that cuckolding culture will take off, with media blitzes about how “progressive” and “not sexist” it is. What better way to control your “toxic masculinity” (and to promote female desires at the expense of men)?

Louis Stuart, Return of Kings 21 Comments [10/14/2016 2:44:54 AM]
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One Ex-Lesbian's Plea to Pastors Across America

Dear Pastors,

There are things I urgently need for you to know. And there are things I desperately need you to tell me. I shudder to think where I'd be today if my pastor had not been bold enough to tell me the truth regarding homosexuality, a lifestyle in which I lived for more than 30 years. Pastors, please take time out of your busy schedule to read my humble plea.

First, I need you to tell me in no uncertain terms that homosexuality is a sin. Show me what the Bible says and tell me that the Word of God is eternal and does not change with the times. Please don't tell me that you won't address it or that you don't have an opinion. Because if you don't speak up, I am going to think that it's all right and will be headed for an eternity in hell. Pastors, when I come to you seeking answers, I need you to boldly speak the truth in love. My very salvation depends upon it.

Next, please let me know that Jesus' death on the cross was enough to cover any sin I have committed, including that of homosexuality. Please tell me that every sin, no matter how minor or major it seems, is an affront to God. If you don't, I will feel like my sin, because it feels more embarrassing or shocking, is harder for God to forgive than the others and I will be left with the wrong impression that homosexuality is the unpardonable sin. It's not.

And last, I need you to tell me to repent. Please tell me that true Christianity calls for genuine repentance of all sin, including homosexuality. And pastors, if I try to make excuses to live in my sin, stand firm because my eternal destiny hinges on it. And then, and this is so very important, tell me that God's power, mercy and grace are more than enough for me to live in absolute freedom. If you don't, I will think that homosexuality is the only sin for which God's power isn't enough. It is.

When I was looking for truth and answers, I walked into a church, just like yours, for the first time in years. I started attending regularly and started feeling the conviction of the Holy Spirit in my heart as I learned what it meant to be a follower of Christ.

I mustered up the courage to speak with my pastor and share that I was homosexual, thinking it was an unchangeable fact. When I walked out of my pastor's office, I had received the unchangeable truth: Homosexuality is a sin. God hates all sin. God loves me. Jesus died for me. I needed to repent from all sin. The cross was enough to forgive me of all sin. God's power delivers me from all sin. Jesus is enough, even for those who struggle with homosexuality.

Pastors, speaking truth no matter how difficult, does not have to end with people running for the exits. I am living proof! I have completely renounced the homosexual lifestyle, am a devoted follower of Christ and live in truth, victory and freedom every day of my life!

I will forever be grateful to my pastor for holding to the truth of God's Word, and pastors, I pray that your congregants will be the same.

With all gratefulness, humility and sincerity,

Linda Italiano, ex-lesbian and born-again Christian

Linda Italiano, CharismaNews 20 Comments [10/14/2016 2:41:21 AM]
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Quote# 122014

[On the recording of Trump making deeply misogynistic comments]

Men will be men. I saw Trump's sincere apology and I believe him. What he said was a long time ago and MANY men talk that way -- even Christian brothers! That doesn't make it right but I do believe that Trump has grown up a whole lot this past year and if he has indeed accepted Christ, then he is born again and we need to forgive him and support him. He must beat Hillary -- we cannot have her as president or this country is done, especially for us freedom-loving, God-fearing people.

Patreesha, Rapture Ready 27 Comments [10/14/2016 2:40:26 AM]
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Quote# 122013

If you're going to throw in the towel for some stupid remarks that Trump made in the past and let the thoroughly corrupt, God-hating, America-hating, Marxist/fascist totalitarian Hillary Clinton destroy our nation, then goodbye. Logoff, delete your cookies, post elsewhere.

Quit on America? Like hell!! We the unredeemable, despicable deplorables will fight on without you.

By the way, FU turncoat FOX News and all bedwetting GOPe NeverTrump RINOs.

That is all.

Jim Robinson, Free Republic 18 Comments [10/14/2016 2:40:20 AM]
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Quote# 122009

Florida is a nice place, but it unfortunately has become a lot like California, representing both the best and the worst that America has to offer. This is especially true in the area of homosexuality. While there are many conservative and religious Floridians, there are a tremendous amount of sodomites and immoral activity that takes place there. Given the serious moral decay of America that we see taking place before our eyes and the increasing disrespect for even the most basic of Christian morality, looking at this storm I began to wonder if perhaps, in some way, it was connected to this crisis.

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The Bible clearly teaches that in the Old Testament whenever the Hebrews were very disobedient towards God, He would send punishments against them, many times in the forms of natural disasters. Christian history also recognizes the same, where God will use His creation to execute judgment against the wicked. While not all bad weather is necessarily a sign of sin, both sacred scripture and sacred tradition clearly note that it can be so. Now we know that Florida is an area that is infected with sin, especially cities such as Miami and Orlando, which are veritable dens of sodomy.

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The Ottoman Turks were known to widely practice the rape of young boys, as they were homosexuals. As we have pointed out before, Islam is anything but “homophobic,”- to say other wise is merely propaganda, as a simple reading of Islamic history and theology shows that not is homosexuality just permissible so long as the appropriate conditions are met, but even meritorious. Islam is the perfect religion for a homosexual, as it allows one to immerse his lust for sin however he desires to.

A hurricane- the storms from an evil being- named after the New Testament Evangelist whose symbol is an angel- a messenger of God and and executor of His will among and upon men- is about to make landfall on the exact area where two massive sodomite parades are taking place and almost to the day for the largest one, and the exact day the hurricane is scheduled to hit is the Feast Day of the Holiest Prayer in the Catholic Church used to fight the most wicked of sins and heresies given by the Mother of God herself.

Coincidence? You be the judge. Personally, given America’s love affair with the worst forms of perversity, it is a sign of His anger against us for our obstinate attitude towards sin and refusal to repent for our evil ways.

Andrew Bieszad, Shoebat.com 19 Comments [10/14/2016 2:39:52 AM]
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Hillary Clinton Pulls Out The Lie Book To Try And Stump The Trump At The First Presidential Debate

Monday night’s first Presidential debate, held at Hofstra University in New York, lacked some of the rhetorical fireworks between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton that many had anticipated. Still, the performances of both candidates confirmed earlier assessments made by Return Of Kings. Republican nominee Trump highlighted how America is continuing to lose out economically, socially, and in terms of its national security to other states and organized groups, including ISIS. By contrast, Clinton deployed a series of diversions and straight-out lies to bait again those perennial victims brainwashed by Democrats over decades: millions of blacks, Hispanics, young people, and non-SJW women.

The First Presidential Debate: Hillary Clinton And Donald Trump (Full Debate) | NBC News

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The problem with Clinton’s performance is that she relied on “zingers,” as the mainstream media calls them, which are considered factual and superb just because she says them. They are either inaccurate or, just as bad, banal platitudes about “justice,” “fairness,” and “equality.” These feel-good lines are devoid of either context or proof. Compare this to Trump, who zoomed in perfectly on the cancers afflicting the US: deference to rivals and enemies, failing to ask allies for proper support, and a basic refusal to act in the ways that are best for America.

Here are three key areas in which the Trump-Clinton divide was most prominent during last night’s debate:

Hillary can’t shake off her globalist past—and future

Trump astutely homed in on Hillary Clinton’s previous “gold standard” description of the toxic Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) “free trade” proposal, support which the Democratic nominee claimed to have backtracked on only months ago. He linked this praise to her fawning endorsement of NAFTA in the 1990s. NAFTA, as Trump pointed out, has led to the erosion of American manufacturing and the strange situation where Mexico is allowed to export its goods into America with much smaller financial barriers than the reverse. The TPP promises to do the same and, when it comes to US based-interests, will only benefit transnational corporations.

Clinton was unwilling to categorically rule out backing the TPP again if elected President and avoided criticizing Barack Obama for wanting it implemented. She also said nothing of substance in relation to combating China’s extremely anti-free trade behavior, most notably the constant devaluation of its currency. In the context of a $20 trillion US national debt and trade deficits that balloon ever more, the likely Democratic inaction on this front is alarming and only surrenders national, rather than corporate interests. What she did do was to try to placate those wanting a welfare state, promising things like “debt-free college” and a minimum wage rise. But how can those she will get the money from, “the wealthy,” pay for both these shopping items and simultaneously pay down the debt?

When the topic switched to terrorism, the Democratic nominee refrained from discussing how ISIS began its rise when she was Secretary of State, an inconvenient truth she was quickly reminded about. Expanding on this bad judgment point, Trump alluded to a related national security failure of the “experienced” Secretary Clinton: the United States’ persistent bankrolling of other states’ safety at the direct expense of its own. The whole point of NATO is that it is an alliance, but America always seems to foot the bill, just as it does in its relationship with Japan. In response, Hillary Clinton was unable—or simply refused—to articulate how this is either a desirable or affordable state of affairs. This is telling as nationalist vs. globalist arguments grow more salient within the current American political discourse.

Gender pay gap madness

Hillary Clinton unsurprisingly brought up the gender pay gap, a long-discredited myth that ignores how women, even those employed full-time, work on average less hours than men. This political fiction, one perpetually drawing in millions of self-victimized female voters and emasculated white knights, fails to acknowledge the greater presence of men in higher-skilled and therefore higher-paying industries as well.

Despite the certainty that this kind of argument would be raised, Clinton took it to a new, far more delusional level by suggesting that women deserve the same pay for inferior work. She claimed that Donald Trump “said women don’t deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.” He actually did not say this, as a fact check used in a USA Today article illustrated months ago.

Yet even if he had made the statement, this is perhaps the least controversial soundbite, real or imagined, that anyone has ever used to try and discredit Trump. The falsely attributed words are one hundred percent in line with the idea of “equal pay for equal work.” If your work is not of the same quality as your peer, you should not get equal pay. How, for example, is a junior female lawyer who brings in less clients and billable hours than her male counterpart deserving of equal pay? What Trump did say is that he favors paying employees based on performance.

Necessary corrections aside, Hillary Clinton’s line is merely a prelude to the affirmative action she will unleash upon the American economy if elected. Having already implied that women deserve equal pay even if their work and performance cannot be described as equal, expect concrete legislation that will force employers to hire women over men, irrespective of their credentials, socioeconomic backgrounds (preferential treatment allows many Middle American men to be leapfrogged by women from privileged families), and the real requirements of the job.

Race-baiting… again

Hillary Clinton reverted to re-peddling the tired old fantasy that 2016 is the new Jim Crow laws era. Forgetting that countless non-blacks are in jail for non-violent offences, too, she falsely portrayed African-Americans as the victims of police harassment and racist hysteria over crimes that are not murder, rape or serious assault. To boot, she pushed aside the higher involvement of blacks in violent felonies. Clinton further outlined how outright (white) racism, not certain cultural values and black-on-black brutality, purportedly explains almost every conceivable problem confronting African-Americans today. Plus, she did not ever call out the truly deplorable rioters in Charlotte, nor condemn overall the opportunistic troublemakers that comprise Black Lives Matter.

Trump absolutely schooled his opponent, however, when it came to the astounding rate of violence in Chicago, Clinton’s city of birth. In a metropolitan area where gun laws are amongst the most restrictive in the nation, black-on-black crime especially has decimated African-American communities. Clinton’s crude racial politics quickly became stuck and the candidate herself appeared to be flustered. After all, Chicago, which Trump was using as an example of the general malaise of crime found across the country, is controlled locally by Democrats, like most major cities.

The desperation of Hillary Clinton, a representative of a party which has failed America’s minorities and made them poorer, became evident when she mentioned a racial discrimination lawsuit, not a finding of guilt, brought against Trump forty years ago. With nothing to offer blacks and Hispanics, other than the same old dud policies on a national and municipal level, she had to invent a boogeyman to distract people.

But the media still lauded Clinton

Regardless of her cheap antics at the debate, almost every mainstream media editorial from CNN’s to the LA Times‘ waxed lyrical about Clinton’s supposedly epic performance on Monday night. That sycophancy will only grow from now until election day. But if takes so much concerted, stooge-like media support to help her win, what does that say about her as a candidate?

Right now, though, we should be both proud of and amazed at where Trump is at the moment. Only six months ago, people were bellowing that he would still lose the Republican nomination. He could never ever win, the experts said. Moreover, just a year ago, his candidacy was considered a laughing stock by elites and nearly all supporters of the Democrats.

So who’s laughing at Donald Trump now? Not many people, and certainly not a very concerned Hillary Clinton.

David G. Brown, Return of Kings 39 Comments [10/12/2016 2:23:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 121998

Hollywood is in a mad rush to bring back the ancient gods of Rome, Greece, Babylon and Egypt. We are living in a paganism revival. And yet the American church remains sound asleep...

Artemis was a Greco-Roman goddess associated with gnostic wisdom. Gnostic wisdom is basically a belief that humankind becomes wiser and more spiritual through unbridled spiritual indulgence.

Artemis was one of the chief deities that the Apostle Paul grappled with in the Greco-Roman world. Paul was so effective at challenging the power of this demon-goddess with the power of Jesus Christn that he caused a huge riot in the city of Ephesus, where the temple of this goddess was located.

Her Roman name is Diana. When Paul penned the words in the book of Ephesus chapter 6 that deal with spiritual warfare, Paul knew the church was dealing with something more than just ancient myths. He understood we were battling with those ancient gods, goddesses who once walked the Earth as a living reality.

These ancient gods and goddesses are no longer with us physically - thanks in part to The Flood - but they're still with us today spiritually. And they hold huge sway over the folks who work out of Hollywood, Madison Avenue and the entire entertainment industry.

Hollywood knows something that you probably don't: behind all of these modern sci-fi/fantasy/dystopian movies is a simple agenda to raise the ancient gods and goddesses from the ancient world back into a position of prominence. Neo-paganism: the revived worship of ancient gods, is at an all time high. This is why Christians are always attacked in the media every chance given. The agenda is simple: make people lose confidence in Jesus Christ and Christianity so they'll welcome the worship of the old gods again.

This is why Wicca, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings magic and other forms of the occult are being forced down our throats these days via TV shows and movies. It's also the spirit behind misandry, man-hate and distorted feminism.

The spirit is so bold and pugnacious, it has even invaded many churches. This is why there's such a proliferation of women-based ministries popping up left and right. Yet you cannot find a Biblical pretext for the existence of such ministries.

God's word should always be the church's standard. But when the church starts following the lead of the world, we end up opening church doors to the spirits and demons associated with the way the world thinks and operates.

Mack Major, Eden Decoded 30 Comments [10/12/2016 2:22:54 PM]
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Quote# 121997

Yeah there’s something wrong with you if you’re votin’ for a woman for President. Lemmie just get that out of the way. I understand that Hillary Clinton is an extraordinarily bad woman, and we don’t have to make it about her gender, to say that she’s a terrible woman. But I would, frankly. Like if Donald Trump was a female, I’d be like, okay, you have to boycott the election. I don’t want a fuckin’ woman President. And if you are not a testosterone-deficient faggot then you probably understand why.

Christopher Cantwell, Angry White Men 30 Comments [10/12/2016 2:20:18 PM]
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