Quote# 118015

A video of a South African pastor turning half of his congregation to what he calls his sheep has surfaced online and gone viral.

In the video, Pastor Penuel Mnguni of End Times Disciples Ministries Church starts by having three worshipers crawling behind him as he approaches the altar.

Moments later, he calls on all his ‘sheep’ to follow him and dozens of members of his congregation go on all fours towards the altar.

He keeps calling out for more sheep to follow him and more congregants take to the floor and crawl towards him while shaking and making animal sounds.

The “flock” then congregate at the altar where the pastor orders them to stand up. Soon after, he utters some words that sends them sprawling on the floor.

The video ends with the “flock” lying motionless on the floor at the altar and the congregation in awe.

Penuel Mnguni, Nairobi News 16 Comments [4/9/2016 4:59:04 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 118014

Cases of fake prophets and pastors have been rampant in recent past. Controversial South Africa pastor Penuel Mnguni of End Times Disciples Ministries, is the latest one to hit the headlines. Pastor Mnguni who has been in the limelight for all the wrong reasons, recently ordered his congregation to eat a carpet that he was standing on!

Via the church’s official facebook account, photos of the congregation eating the carpet as ordered by Pastor Mnguni, were posted together with the message below;

“For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power”

As the man of God Prophet Penuel continued demonstrating the power of God. He commanded the carpet he was standing on to be food, whatever God declares clean is clean and what was supposed to kill will give life because of the word spoken upon it.

He started by eating it himself and then fed the congregation, those who were sick were healed and some received their break through as God can use anything.

‘To God Be The Glory’

Penuel Mnguni, Mpasho 8 Comments [4/9/2016 4:55:50 AM]
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Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 118011

Why Is the World Broken?

“Something is terribly wrong with this world. Where’s God in all of this?” If you’ve ever heard these questions, or wondered them yourself, then this article is for you.

It is hard to deny that the world we live in is broken. Terribly broken. We are constantly bombarded with news of senseless shootings and terrorist attacks. Wars continue without end. Natural disasters such as tornadoes, earthquakes, and floods claim many lives each year. Despite our wonderful modern medical technology, thousands and thousands of people die every year of cancer, stroke, diabetes, or some severe infection.

Beyond this, we see greed, poverty, abuse, jealously, racism, and seemingly every possible manifestation of man’s inhumanity to his fellow man. It’s an ugly picture. This world is broken and can’t seem to find its way.

So where is the all-knowing, loving Creator God in the midst of all this pain and suffering?

Denying God

Many people think death and suffering are reasons to deny the very existence of God. They contend that a good God would not, could not, allow all these horrible things to continue. If He exists, if He is indeed a good God, would He not want to stop all these things? Therefore, they reason, God cannot exist. Sometimes they hedge their bets by adding that if He does exist, He cannot be a good God because He continually allows bad things to happen to good people.

Ultimately, though, this is faulty logic. Let’s think it through.

How Did We Get Here?

If God does not exist, how do we explain the physical world around us? If there is no God who created the universe, then where did everything come from? The world’s simple answer is that everything came from nothing. Matter just popped into existence from nowhere. Then over billions of years molecules randomly collided, resulting in the formation of planets and stars and galaxies.

From this lifeless matter sprang life. The first simple cell just assembled itself. Then through random mutation and natural selection (survival of the fittest), life forms became more and more complex until ultimately man came into being. This is called evolution.

No God. Nothing but chemicals banging together over millions of years.

The Basis of Morality

In a universe that is merely the result of random chemical reactions over millions of years, there would be no “god” to whom we are accountable. But in such a universe, a universe without an ultimate moral authority, how are right and wrong, good and bad, determined? In the final analysis, how are moral judgments made? Who decides? The answer is, everybody decides for himself or herself what is right and wrong.

Charles Darwin understood this. In his autobiography, Darwin wrote, “A man who has no assured and ever-present belief in the existence of a personal God or of a future existence with retribution and reward, can have for the rule of his life, as far as I can see, only to follow those impulses and instincts which are the strongest or which seem to him the best ones.” So in a universe without God, morality is up for grabs. Everybody gets to set his or her own moral standards.

Good People and a Broken World

When people deny the existence of God because of all the death and suffering they see, they have a problem. Even if evolution were true, the world is still broken. So if you can’t blame God, then whom do you blame?

You see, most people think they themselves are good, or at least better or more deserving than the many bad people they see around them. Therefore, they reason, it is unfair that bad things happen to them. Often they also say it is unfair that bad things happen to others they think are good or innocent.

However, without God, these same people have no basis for determining good and bad other than their own opinion. Further, it is inconsistent to claim that people are basically good and then complain about the death and suffering humans inflict on each other. After all, wouldn’t that mean that good people are suffering at the hands of other basically good people?

God Is Unfair?

People are generally quick to make God a scapegoat. He gets the blame for everything from cancer to murder to tsunamis. If the suffering we see is evidence that God is cruel or unfair, then why isn’t the good we see equally evidence that God is loving and just? After all, we see lots of good in the world. Children are rescued from burning buildings, people donate organs to strangers, food banks feed the homeless, volunteers work in nursing homes, and the list goes on.

It seems people never take the blame. Just the credit.

Okay, So What Is the Problem?

Yes, it is obvious that there is suffering in the world, but God is not to blame. Whose fault is it then? Quite simply, it is our fault. The world is broken because of our sin. Most people fail to factor this into the equation.

Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Answers in Genesis 44 Comments [4/8/2016 5:25:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 118010

Oboehner:
Why do sexual deviants have rights, yet anyone else (even when protected specifically by the Constitution) have none?

bill@19D:
who does not have rights here? if the business had turned away a couple because they were christian or because they were an inter-racial couple, or because they were heterosexual the exact same protections would have come into play. so same-sex couple are protected under the same protections that exist for others.

on the other hand there is nothing in the Constitution that allows business that offer a service to the public to discriminate.

Oboehner:
The right to practice one's religion anyone? If a PRIVATELY owned business wishes to refuse service to anyone for any reason it should be their right, it's not like it was a matter of life and death, the sodomites could have gone elsewhere to celebrate their deviance.

Ambulance Chaser:
Well, the law doesn't see it that way. Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States, 379 U.S. 241 (1964)

Oboehner:
You mean a court opinion doesn't see it that way, the First Amendment does however.

Ambulance Chaser:
The courts' interpretation of the First Amendment is law, not yours.

Oboehner:
The First Amendment is law, not an opinion. The court's can only strike down new legislation based on the Constitution, which in turn can be overruled through our system of checks and balances.

Oboehner, Christian News Network 34 Comments [4/8/2016 5:22:56 AM]
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Quote# 118008

As we’ve already discussed, once you doubt God’s goodness, you can’t possibly avoid doubting His love for you, His care of you, and His willingness to guide and help you. Once all of these things get thrown into question, you will be forced to ask yourself: “Just why am I following God?” Are you just in this for the goodies and the future perks? Is that all Christianity means to you? The end times are going to be a time of major sifting for the Church. We’ve always been taught to believe that it will be the pressure of external persecution which will divide us. But no, the pressure to cut and run will come from within: from God Himself challenging you about why you are claiming to be one of His followers. Are you just in it for the perks? What if there are no perks? Then what? What if it turns out that God really is some shady Character who you can’t count on for anything? What does this change? What doesn’t this change? He’s still the One who created you. Are you going to start lipping off to the One who can rip your molecules apart simply because you don’t personally approve of the way He operates?

Submission is the bedrock of your whole relationship with God. And if you really think about it, submitting to God is the only wise choice in any situation. If God is good, then we can add all kinds of happy assurances to your beliefs. But if God is not good, He is still God, and that fact alone makes refusing to submit to Him beyond foolish. It is now, while things are still relatively calm, that you need to give serious thought to this submission issue. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you the wise answer to this question: “What should my motivation for submitting to God be?”

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 15 Comments [4/8/2016 5:22:29 AM]
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Quote# 118007

There must be disagreement before we can submit, because submission essentially says, “I don’t approve of what You’re doing, but I’m going to yield to Your Authority because You outrank me.” Obeying God simply means doing what He said. When obeying God is easy and fun, it’s because He’s asking us to do something that we want to do anyway, thus there is no submission required. Now there’s nothing wrong with having an easy time of things, but if we are never submitting, then we are never accepting our place as God’s subordinates. You see, it’s only when there is a strong disagreement of wills that the importance of rank is recognized. As long as God is doing everything you want, you never bother to give much thought to His supremacy over you. This is a major problem, because God refuses to relate to you as your buddy, friend, or partner. He insists on being viewed as the Supreme Authority in your life, and He won’t invite you close to Him until you submit to His total domination. God intentionally provokes you to feel angry and upset with Him in life in order to give you the opportunity to submit. You see, while we get all huffy about God not doing what we want, we’re missing what a priceless gift this really is. We need God to royally irk us at times if we’re going to ever develop deep submission to Him, for the stronger our disapproval of God is, the deeper our submission must be before we will align with His will in a situation.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 6 Comments [4/8/2016 5:14:18 AM]
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Quote# 118004

In the previous examination, we looked at Genesis 1, which seems to describe the terraforming of the Earth by the Elohiym. Genesis 1 also indicates the Elohiym were a group of benevolent beings that were either Human or Humanoid, that were responsible for creating the conditions on Earth that would sustain life, and were also the ones who either created all life on the planet, or brought forth all the life; in other words, brought the life here.

In this examination, we are going to look at Genesis 2, which introduces the YHWH, who established ancient Mesopotamia and used cells from humans to create what seems to be a hybrid of both Gods and Humans used to breed with humans. We’ll be using the definitions of the Hebrew words from Blue Letter Bible.org, Bible Study Tools.com, and Bible Hub.com. The links are below if you want to follow along.

The King James Translation of Genesis Chapter 2 verse 1 says, “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” But the direct translation says, “The sky of the earth was complete and all war.” So we know the word for sky, number 8064, means “atmosphere.” So it can be translated, “The atmosphere of the earth was complete, and all…” number 3605, which means “the whole” or “all throughout”, and this word, number 6635 means “war” or “warfare”. So another translation of Genesis 2 verse 1 can say, “The atmosphere of the earth was completed then all throughout there was war.” In other words, sometime after humans were put here, wars began.

Then verse 2 in the King James Translation says, “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” So we know the word for “God”, number 430, means “Elohiym” and it is plural, so the word “his” should be “they”. Also notice the first word, “And” is not actually in the original text. So verses 2 and 3 can also read, “But on the seventh day the Elohiym ended their work which they had made; and they rested on the seventh day from all their work which they had made. So the Elohiym blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it they had rested from all their work which the Elohiym created and made.” So this is saying, after the Elohiym made earth a paradise, there was war everywhere, but the 7th day is the blessed day, in other words, the 7000th year is the blessed millenium. This is important, its code, and we will see why later. But for now, we’ll continue with verse 4.

Notice verse 4 introduces a new name for God. All throughout Genesis 1, the word for God was number 430, which means “Elohiym”, and in Genesis 2 it remains “Elohiym” until verse 4. Then the name for God changes. The King James translation says, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” So notice the word “God” number 430, which means “Elohiym” is still present, but this word “LORD” in all capital letters is now introduced. In the Old Testament, the word translated as “LORD” in all capital letters, is usually, but not always, word number 3068, which is “Yehovah”. We discussed in a previous video that the original hebrew word was “YHWH” without the consonants, and is sometimes pronounced “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”. Hosea 13 tells us YHWH acts as the Beasts of Daniel, and Revelation 13 tells us YHWH is the Beast with 7 Heads and 10 Horns. We also looked at Exodus 6:3 which says the Lord did not appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by the name YHWH, but appeared to them by the name “God Almighty” or “El Shaddai”. This is a very important statement, because we know the word “YHWH” is used in all three of those stories in the bible. The current translations of the Bible tell us “YHWH” was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For example, if you look at Genesis 12 verses 1 and 2, it says the LORD told Abraham to leave his country and his father’s house and the LORD would make him a great nation. Well we know the word translated as “LORD” in Genesis 12 is “YHWH”, so there are only two possibilities here: Either Genesis 12:1 is correct, and YHWH was the God of Abraham, or Exodus 6:3 is correct and the God of Abraham was El Shaddai. Both verses cannot be true. So because Hosea 13 and Revelation 13 explain for us that YHWH is the Beast, it seems that Genesis 12:1 has to be false and Exodus 6:3 is giving us a clue that the texts have been altered. That is confirmed in Jeremiah 8:8. The King James Translation says, “How do you say, ‘We are wise and the law of the LORD is with us?’ Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.” But when we look at this word translated as “vain”, number 8267, we can see it is translated the majority of the time as “false” or “falsehood”. So Jeremiah 8:8 is telling us the pen of the scribes is in falsehood, and that seems to confirm what Exodus 6:3 is telling us; that Abraham didn’t know God by the name YHWH, yet the name YHWH was inserted into the story of Abraham. Jeremiah indicates that is because the pen of the scribes is in falsehood, in other words, the texts were altered. That doesn’t mean everything in the texts were altered, but it does mean at least some of it was. So we should use common sense when we read the material, for example, when we read in Exodus 30:16 that YHWH required money in order to make atonement for the souls of the Israelites, we can be sure that was not the Elohiym who terraformed the earth making it habitable for life, because they chose not to dominate the earth (which they had the full opportunity to do) but instead, they let humans have dominion on the earth. So this Lord in Exodus 30:16 sounds more like the Beast, who we are told acted as all four of Daniel’s Empires; the lion, the leopard, and the bear, which represent the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and the Roman Empire. That may be telling us that the texts were altered during that time period.

So as we go through Genesis 2 we’ll keep that in mind. The King James version indicates in verse 4 that YHWH created the whole earth, but we know that contradicts what Genesis 1 already told us; that the Elohiym created the earth. The Bible itself tells us YHWH is the Beast, and the word itself, number 3068, stems from the word 1961, which means “fall out”, and that word is compared to word 1933, which also means “to fall”, and that word is compared to word 0183, which means “to covet” or “be greedy”.

So verses 4 and 5 in the King James translation say, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew, for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.” And the first word, number 428, means “these” but it also means “those”, so it can also be translated, “Those were the generations when the heavens and the earth were created.” And we already know the word translated as “heavens” means “atmosphere”. So the first part of verse 4 says, “Those were the generations when the atmosphere of the earth was created.” Then it says, “The day that YHWH Elohiym made…”, or word number 6213, which also means “acquired”. So it says, “The day that YHWH acquired the earth and the atmosphere, every plant of the field…” or, word number 7704, which means “cultivated field” and the definition of the word “cultivated” is “Raised or grown on a farm or under other controlled conditions.” So its saying, “the plants cultivated…” Then this word 2962 means “not yet”. So it says, “The plants were not yet cultivated, or grown under controlled conditions in the earth…” or number 776, which also means land. So, “The plants were not yet grown under controlled conditions in the land and the herbs were not yet grown. Then this word translated as “for”, number 3588, means “because”, this word number 369 means “not”, the word translated as “man”, number 120, is adam, which means “mankind” or “human being” what we would call in modern language “humans”, and the word 5647 means “to serve as subjects” or “to make oneself a servant”. So verses 4 and 5 can be translated, “Those were the generations when the atmosphere of the earth was created. And in the day that YHWH God acquired the earth and the atmosphere, the plants were not yet in cultivated fields in the land and herbs were not yet grown under controlled conditions because YHWH God had not caused it to rain on the land, and humans were not made servants to till the ground. Then there went up a mist from the land and watered the surface of the ground.” So that makes sense because the Elohiym did not put Humans on earth to be servants. In Genesis 1 it told us the Elohiym made the earth habitable, and put the plants and trees here for food and gave humans dominion over everything, but it did not say they forced humans to farm the food. It said the plants and fruit trees had their seed in themselves. Now its saying, in the day when YHWH acquired the earth, plants were not being cultivated. So the humans were not growing their food under controlled conditions when YHWH acquired the earth. Then it says YHWH caused a mist to come up from the ground, and that sounds like some form of irrigation.

- See more at: http://indigoflower.net/genesis-2-yhwh-mesopotamia-the-hybrids/#sthash.YUgBZY6x.dpuf

9nania, Indigo Flower 12 Comments [4/8/2016 5:11:10 AM]
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Quote# 118002

Up until the October election Canada was on the cusp of greatness.
We stood as a beacon of light to the rest of the world that was already circling the drain. But only a comparative few of the infamous 39% that voted to elect a nincompoop as our so-called* prime need to be drawn back from the dark side for our country to become great again. Everyone, take heart.
[* I’ll insist on referring to him as “so-called” until our country hires a suitable replacement for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.]

George Dyer, the rebel 23 Comments [4/8/2016 5:08:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 118001

Suddenly, as I was finishing up the last few sentences of this prayer, a vision open up before me. Angels were coming right up to my mouth as I was speaking, and just as the humming bird darts up to a flower to sip its nectar, the angels were taking my words as soon as they came out from my lips, and were darting off elsewhere, to bring them to those who had need of them most.

I gasped when I seen them; they were so beautiful. They moved so fast, that it was hard to see each one clearly. I did see that they did not have wings like most people depict angels to have; I could see no feathers or wings at all on them. But what I did see, was that they moved so very fast, that the lighted air around them moved and swirled around their bodies, forming what some might see and think of as wings. Brightness was foremost, and was ever so slightly highlighted with the iridescent colors of blue, pink, purple, and green.

The moment I finished my prayer, the vision ended.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 25 Comments [4/8/2016 5:07:06 AM]
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Quote# 117996

Every time someone has lustful passions stirred in their soul because of Taylor Swift's raunchy music videos, she must answer to God. Miss Swift may be filthy rich here on earth, but she is poorer than poor in eternity, and from everything I've read, I don't think she is a true Christian either (she's purportedly Catholic). Every unholy lust, caused millions of times over and over, by an unholy music video must be accounted for! The average person has no idea just how wicked we all are in God's eyes. We are all so undeserving of God's love, grace and mercy! It is a horrible evil to mock God by promoting sexual lasciviousness!!!

Taylor Swift is mocking God, spitting in His holy face, every time she behaves promiscuously in her highly sensual music videos. The insane notion that Taylor Swift is NOT AS BAD as other whores in the ungodly media is satanic beyond words!!! I've read numerous websites, including Billy Graham's ungodly Christianity Today, that praise Taylor Swift for being less sexualizing than the entertainment industry as a whole! What a lie! Taylor Swift is a spoiled little brat, who is a disgrace to our nation, and an embarrassment to American women. The heathen media and Luciferian Illuminati love her!

Miss Swift is leading young girls into a deathstyle of whoredom. She acts so innocent and sweet on one hand, while on the other hand making vile, ungodly and slutty videos like SHAKE IT OFF (which I can't even link to because it is so sexually explicit). The video at numerous times zooms in on a woman's buttocks, as she shakes her rear-end in the camera. Sadly, Americans have been so desensitized to the awfulness of sin, primarily by television, so that such wicked behavior is no longer considered evil. The Holy Bible sensitizes us to sin (Romans 7:13). Children and teens desperately need to be taught the Word of God—at home, in school, at church, while playing, in the car, everywhere!!! Taylor Swift may not seem so bad in lieu of our baby-murdering, drunken, perverted, God-cursing, sin-loving, sicko, American culture; but she is a devilish Jezebel in view of the Holy Bible!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 35 Comments [4/8/2016 4:33:40 AM]
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Quote# 117993

43 years after Roe, it is nice to see that the Democratic Party is now no longer denying the personhood of little preborn humans. Why it took them about 100 years to let black people sit at the table with them!

WorldGoneCrazy, Christian News Network 15 Comments [4/8/2016 4:30:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta McFucken

Quote# 117992

A North Carolina church tracked down a former member and sent her a letter expressing their disapproval over her same-sex marriage, Queerty reported.

The letter, signed by the pastor and deacons at the First Baptist Church in Bostic, called on Kelly Toney to “display repentance and abandonment of this area of open immorality,” adding that failure to do so would leave the church “no choice but to take appropriate and prayerful action to address the standing of your fellowship with this Body at such a time that will be determined by the leadership and members of this congregation.”

The church insisted that the message was not intended to “condemn or cast down” Toney.

“If it is received and seen in any way other than in the outreach of Christian love and genuine spiritual concern, then the true nature of this letter has been misinterpreted,” it stated.

Toney responded in a letter of her own sent to Outsports, stating that neither she nor her wife, Lori Ann Toney, have attended First Baptist in 15 years. She also said that she has never received a letter asking her to return during that time.

“My then-fiance and I have never stepped foot into that church!” Toney wrote. “I’ve never asked anyone of them to compromise their beliefs! I’ve only asked to love me for me and the loving person I am!! We decided to ask a friend of ours that was ordained to marry us! We got married outside and nowhere near a church!!”

She also said that before leaving First Baptist, she revealed her sexuality to some members of the church without getting a negative response.

The church has received several 1-star ratings on its Facebook page after reports of its letter to Toney, as well as several critical posts.

“Do you also revoke membership to those members who eat at the Red Lobster? What about the ones who have to work on the Sabbath? Anybody there wear mixed fabrics or a gold wedding band that is being kicked out ? Do your women cut their hair and have membership revoked?” read one comment. “No, I didn’t think so. Your blatant ignorance of the loving acceptance that embodies the story of Christ is the worst kind of ignorance. You sit in judgement against the guidance of the very book you profess to uphold.”

First Baptist Church of Bostic, NC, Raw Story 16 Comments [4/8/2016 4:29:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117991

Donald Trump supporters traveled hundreds of miles to protest an empty Phoenix mosque, much to the irritation of its neighbors.

Ruben Israel, a self-proclaimed Christian street preacher who hates the King James Bible, Catholics and Mormons, came to Arizona from Los Angeles to shout complaints through a bullhorn and argue with residents of nearby homes, reported KPNX-TV.

“You got a mosque right here and you’re not doing anything about it,” Israel shouted at one neighbor. “I hope when Trump gets into office he turns this wicked building into a 7-Eleven.”

Another protester, who drove to Phoenix from Tucson, complained about the influence of the nation’s roughly 3.3 million Muslims — who make up about 1 percent of the U.S. population.

“Muslim religion is tearing down America,” said Aden Rusfeldt, a self-employed entrepreneur who promotes a “politically incorrect business and marketing webinar” online.

The Islamic Community Center of Phoenix, which was closed on Monday, has been targeted multiple times in the past by anti-Muslim demonstrators — including protests organized by militia member and Marine veteran Jon Ritzheimer, who is awaiting trial on a variety of federal charges for his role in the armed occupation of an Oregon nature preserve.

Neighbors said they’re tired of protesters screaming about Muslims outside the mosque, which was empty during the latest demonstration.

“He’s out here protesting nothing,” said one man, watching Israel bellow through a bullhorn. “There’s nobody here, man!”

Usama Shami, president of the Islamic Community Center, said he and other Muslims understood that the protesters represented a minority of Americans, but he said their message of “hate” was clearly intended to intimidate worshipers.

But Israel, who often takes part in anti-LGBT protests, said the demonstration was simply a peaceful free speech rally.

“We’re trying to say keep it on the sidewalk, exercise free speech,” Israel said. “It’s our free speech to take their holy book and rip it like this.”

Israel ripped a page from the Quran, and said, “We can do this.”

Ruben Israel, Aden Rumsfeldt and others, Raw Story 30 Comments [4/8/2016 4:28:36 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117990

Senators in Missouri are moving to hold the president of a St Louis-area Planned Parenthood affiliate in contempt of court – under threat of jail time – for refusing to submit private medical documents.

The move comes after the state general assembly’s committee on the sanctity of life subpoenaed documents from Mary Kogut, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the St Louis Region and Southwest Missouri, in an investigation into her organization.

The subpoena, issued in November, called for Kogut to turn over any and all consent forms signed by the patient in the process of receiving abortion care at the St Louis affiliate. It also seeks documents that make reference to Dr Mary Gatter and Dr Deborah Nucatola, two Planned Parenthood staff members who are prominently featured in widely debunked “sting” videos by the activist group the Center for Medical Progress (CMP). The videos alleged that Planned Parenthood affiliate health centers throughout the US were engaging in the illegal sale of fetal tissue donation.

A lawyer responded on behalf of Planned Parenthood that the committee did not have the authority to subpoena these documents, and that handing them over would violate federal privacy law.

Despite these legal objections, the Missouri senate will begin a hearing Tuesday to introduce a bill determining whether Kogut should be found in contempt.

Kogut now faces a potential indictment on contempt charges. If charged, she faces up to 10 days of jail time as well as a fine of $300 for, as the subpoena itself states, is the right of the general assembly to “punish”.

“It is deeply, deeply concerning that in 2016 we are talking about jailing women’s health care providers for protecting their patients’ privacy,” Kogut said in a statement. “These baseless threats to our health care professionals and providers are disturbing.”

The committee’s subpoena comes after Missouri attorney general Chris Koster announced in September 2015 that his office had found the Planned Parenthood affiliates in Missouri free of any wrongdoing. Koster’s investigation focused heavily on the Planned Parenthood affiliate in St Louis, one of the health centers under Kogut’s jurisdiction, as it is the only abortion provider in the state. The investigation, which involved the review of thousands of pages of internal documents provided to the attorney general’s office by Kogut’s Planned Parenthood affiliate and interviews with its employees, found no evidence of any illegal activity.

“The evidence reviewed by my investigators supports Planned Parenthood’s representation that fetal tissue is handled in accordance with Missouri law. We have discovered no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Planned Parenthood’s St Louis facility is selling fetal tissue,” Koster said in a statement at the time of his investigation’s conclusions.

State senator Kurt Schaefer, a Republican representing the Columbia area, nonetheless opened his own investigation into the Planned Parenthood affiliate, seeking to answer the same question. Schaefer is in the middle of a campaign against incumbent Koster, a Democrat, for the position of Missouri’s attorney general in November.

The Missouri general assembly is also expected to vote soon on defunding Planned Parenthood as a Medicaid and Title X provider in the state. Abortion providers in Missouri already face harsh Trap (targeted restriction of abortion providers) regulations , and women seeking abortion care in the state must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage them from having an abortion before then beginning a 72-hour waiting period. The University of Missouri healthcare system discontinued the admitting privileges needed for providers at the Columbia Planned Parenthood affiliate in September 2015 as a result of the committee on the sanctity of life, which Schaefer chairs , began its investigation into Planned Parenthood in the state on the heels of the CMP tapes.

Prior to the incident with Kogut, the most recent contempt proceedings in Missouri occurred in 1903.

Sen. Kurt Schaefer, Raw Story 13 Comments [4/8/2016 4:28:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117988

Wow, Satan has really made it more possible with these sites to collect even more souls. Do you think that brainwashing society with thoughts that have been twisted in to the bible makes your sexual perversion ok? You better best believe that I'm against your evil disgusting lies that try to let you off the hook, you are feeding and spewing this sewage and trying to compare what we eat and sexual perversion at being at the same level of sin. People can eat what God has intended for us to eat and may live many more years but the difference between the old testament is that note in the new Jesus now has died for our sins that would've taken us to hell we there we were sorry for our sins or not. Now we havea chance to repent from all, any of those sins and receive salvation and be forgiven. It doesn't mean that you can sin and you'll be forgiven if u keep sinning. You must be sorry for your sin and refrain from ever doing it again. And speaking about there being billions of people note breeding and that Adam and end were meant for the beginning only, that's your Satan putting false thoughts into people's minds, no matter how many people have bred it's not up to man to say that being a homosexual is OK now because of it. Anyone, from cheating spouses, molesters, rapists etc who've had sexual desires and couldn't control themselves are all guilty of this major sin. Trying to label people as homophobics only because they are doing rite by God by keeping good morals is an other way of Satan working on people's weak minds to feel guilty for not being progay. I love people no matter how lost they may be, it's not my job to judge nor is it gay people's jobs to try and change people's minds about what they believe in from the bible. It's like trying to push for molesters, pedophiles etc rights. Have self control from your sexual perversion, it's wrong, never do it again. And you'll be forgiven only because Jesus died on the cross for these reasons. When that day when the second coming of Jesus Christ arrives and your facing heaven or hell will you be this certain to hang on to those false fleshy beliefs still? You better study the bible more and quit stating your own thoughts in between. The devil is desperately trying to gain as many souls as possible in these last days we are living in, the blood moon signs, blood waters, all the predictions of many more from the bible have been showing to be true, the enemy is working harder on people's emotions, their weaknesses in every way to try and become ruler of the earth that God intended to be a peaceful garden for us to live in prefect harmony. When you see gay people they promote sex, it's not something we need in heaven or hell. Think about it. It's another test here on earth. The same goes for the greedy who'd rather spend $100. On a dinner while ignoring the hungry people outside. The people who feel that having riches isn't greed, but turninga blind eye to the man who's seeking shelter underneath a tree. You can't take materialistic riches to heaven or hell, and you won't have sex either. Our life's here on earth is short compared to eternity either in heaven or hell. There are people who've been shown where their actions here on earth will take them, if you are brave enough, then check out their stories, you'll find that each story is similar, but from different parts of the world have been experienced. Spiritlessons.com

Margaret Luna, Patheos - Bad Catholic 17 Comments [4/8/2016 4:25:46 AM]
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Quote# 117985

It's kind of amazing how those that try to make women equal to men always seem to try and point out: "you know, the words offered by Paul were certainly influenced by the politics and such of the 'time'."

What do you suppose that the politics and such of that time were 'based' upon? Where do you suppose the Jews learned their behavior from as concerns the 'place' of men and women?

The Bible clearly states that because of Eve's deception, part of her punishment was that she would be under the 'rule' of her husband: Adam. He would 'rule' over her.

And I find nothing throughout the rest of the Bible in it's entirety that alters this format.
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So is it really up to us to debate the issue? If we claim to be believers in the Bible: God's Word, is there any room for debate if God's Word clearly states that man is the Head of woman?

Imagican, Christian Forums 22 Comments [4/8/2016 2:07:49 AM]
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Quote# 117982

(However, I didn’t see anything about pro-choice harrassment in the article? If I missed it or if it’s present in another article, I’d love to see the link to it so I could read it.

While this woman, unfortunately, didn’t make the decision best for her, the option should still be open to other people. There are people that get abortions and are happy with the results, and I don’t think that should be taken away from them. People regret tattoos, piercings, etc., but those options are still, rightfully, available. There are also people who regret having children, and that option is neccessary for people to have as well.)

I read about this today. Such a tragedy. I pray that women who feel the same guilt seek help so that they may find healing and life after the death of their children.

I don’t think you understood when you asked about pro-choice harassment. It’s the pro-choice mindset that dehumanizes unborn children and convinces women that abortion is a viable option which persuades women like Jade to have abortions. When she realized what she had done, she felt an overwhelming guilt.

Tattoos and piercings are not immoral. They don’t stop beating hearts. They don’t destroy life. These are not good analogies. Abortion is simply a bad option, period, for the women it harms and the children it erases.

Time stands still now, Tumblr 26 Comments [4/7/2016 5:41:53 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 117981

(Single mother haunted by abortion hanged herself to Ed Sheeran song)

Pro-choice groups are the ones who trickd her into it, Convincing her that her baby wasn’t a ‘real person’, and that she was empowering herself. while pro-life groups were the ones presenting alternatives and offering post-abortion counseling which could’ve saved her

So, pro-choicers, this is what your movement has resulted in. Hope you’re proud of your work.

Naomi Elizabeth Dooner, Tumblr 27 Comments [4/7/2016 5:41:46 AM]
Fundie Index: 11
Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 117980

"Global cooling", oops, now called "Global warming", oops, now called "Climate Change", is, in truth, just the latest Apocalyptic The Gods Are Angry End Of The World Unless We Repent Cult. There's a new such cult every few generations complete with sinners (climate change deniers), purchasing external signs of righteousness and piety (Prius cars as an example), the ability to sin at will by buying forgiveness from the gods (carbon credits), outlawing sins against the gods (banning plastic bags for example), large visible tributes to the gods to show our piety as a social group (huge wind power projects as an example), and most of all a uniting of the ruling and clergy class (politicians and "scientists") to strip the people of their wealth in sacrifices (taxes) to conduct ceremonies and make offerings to the gods to appease them. Human nature is simply human nature and does not change appreciably over thousands of years. These behaviors have made the elites rich through all of human history and the average human alive today is no more wiser about the manipulation the an ancient Egyptian making an offering to a priest to help make sure the Nike flooded again this year to make the soil fertile.

Anonymous Coward, Slashdot 20 Comments [4/7/2016 5:22:41 AM]
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Quote# 117979

This anti-child bride thing is part of a radical feminist movement. Here are the facts for anyone who cares to consider them:
-- Worldwide, throughout history, people have normally been considered adults at ages as young as 12 and as old as 21. But the ones on the older end of the scale (17 to 21) are actually an anomaly -- most societies have given people only 12 to 16 years to grow up and take on the mantle of adulthood.
-- "Extended childhood" is the exclusive province of wealthy, urbanized nations, in which most people do not live off the land.
-- The people who run this campaign would have you believe that marrying young causes one to be poor. They are confusing cause and effect. Actually, it is the poor people who are most likely to marry young. This is because it provides an advantage to the family or tribal structure. Life expectancies aren't all that long anyway in many of these places, and in an agrarian society where people are living off the land, there is not the kind of opportunity to do other things as there are in Westernized, wealthy nations. But interestingly enough, if you go back even 100 years in American history, you will find many young women marrying between ages 12-18. Same was true in many European countries. People who are farming would have a different outlook on this issue than an 18-year old heading off to Columbia University. If your choices are to keep working on your family's farm and babysit your younger siblings, or start your own family, many would choose the latter option.
-- The death rate of young women from pregnancies again confuses cause and effect. In places where people marry this young, these are the same places that have much lower quality of health care and higher death rates from all causes. A 25-year old in rural India is just as likely to die in childbirth as a 16-year old in that same place.
-- Teens having babies hit an epidemic proportion in the United States about 15 years ago but is on the decline now. Many of these young women wanted a baby so much that they were willing to go to extremes. One undercover article exposed a pact between high school girls in Salem MA to get pregnant, and they found a homeless guy who would knock them up so they could get pregnant. This has happened also in the other industrialized nations that forbid "child marriage". Just how is it better for society if a young, unmarried woman has a baby than if a young woman who desires a family gets married to an older man who is willing and able to provide for one?
-- Teens who get pregnant out of wedlock in western nations are much poorer relative to their peers than those who marry young in third-world countries. In those places where this is going on, pretty much everybody is poor (at least by Western standards).
Here is a final question that is food for thought?
Why are these people trying to solve the social problems of cultures half a world away while they refuse to look at pressing issues right in their own cultures?

Tom Vivian, Hello Giggles 29 Comments [4/7/2016 5:22:22 AM]
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Quote# 117975

Transformation Begins After "Aliens" (Fallen Angels) Revealed

Ezekiel 33:6
If the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.

The world's evil is at new heights of wickedness and they are totally blinded and deafened to my truth. The great deception is almost complete. The darkness is getting blacker and the light of My glory is getting brighter. Have I not said in my word that everything that is hidden will be uncovered and exposed. Have I not said in my word that as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the time of the return of the Son?

After the flood there was a veil put in place to guard against the evil one and the fallen angels. The veil is being removed slowly but in the days just ahead it will be ripped away suddenly and the time that you now know will be a thing of the past. Do not long for the past as Lot's wife did for you will perish like her. This will be a time of testing like never before.

Do not be deceived by the false teaching of demons and men. My bride will not escape from this earth till her work is done. The great end time harvest. You will be greatly rewarded for your work for My kingdom. Then I come for you!

Your transformation will begin when the fallen angels who most will call "aliens" are revealed, after My judgment of fire has begun. It is then that My mighty ones will be revealed also. My manifest sons and daughters. My wrath is not on My own, and I will keep My own from harm. They will overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony and they will not be afraid of death, because there is nothing of the world in them.

I warn you now My beloved, that men’s hearts will fail them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. When these powers are shaken there will no longer be any place found for them in heaven. They now inhabit the spiritual realm but they will be cast down, lowered so that everyone will see them for what they really are, truly hideous , repulsive but powerful beings from the far ends of the heavens. Hollywood has only scratched the surface of the pure evil and terribleness of these serpents and dragons. What is coming to earth is far worse that any movie has ever depicted. The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John is literal not figurative and every prophecy in My word will be fulfilled. My word is truth!

My power far exceeds theirs and My children will have My power and authority without measure. Men will not be able to overcome them in their own strength, they will have to call upon Me for help! This is an act of mercy that most do not understand. My children will go out and speak My name and signs, wonders and miracles will be preformed. The harvest is great and the workers few.

Do not fear, just draw very close to Me now. Fear only Me, for My power defeats the enemy. Time is very, very short and I am warning you now so you are not caught unaware. I ask you to take what you have read to Me in prayer and discern it. I AM coming for My bride!

Do not give up hope , I will never leave you or forsake you.

I love you with an everlasting and immeasurable love,

Jesus Christ the beginning and the end

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The first verse is from the Bible.God spoke the rest to me , through the Holy Spirit. It is a warning!

holyspiritwind, Godlike Productions 13 Comments [4/7/2016 5:17:22 AM]
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Quote# 117969

Homeschoolers says it’s unfair that they must prove they’ve obtained high school-level academic skills to become a police officer or enter trade school.

The Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) is challenging requirements by cosmetology and vocational schools that incoming students show a high school diploma or pass a GED exam to gain admittance.

“A homeschool graduate is accepted into a cosmetology or vocational school — but then, like a bolt from above, the admissions office reverses course,” said William Estrada, HSLDA director of federal relations. “Officials tell the applicant that the school cannot accept homeschoolers.”

The Christian legal advocacy group has handled numerous calls from homeschooled young adults who say they were turned away from trade schools or police departments because they had not passed a General Educational Development exam — which they say graduates of traditional high schools are not required to do.

“Vocational schools are more likely to be audited for compliance with federal higher education laws,” Estrada said. “They’re worried that if they accept a homeschooler who doesn’t have the documentation of a public school graduate, it could cost the vocational school its accreditation.”

The HSLDA is representing two candidates who Christian legal advocates say were turned away from the Ithaca, New York, Police Department because they had not earned high school diplomas or the equivalent — even though both went on to graduate from state colleges.

“One had a bachelor’s degree and the other was a qualified emergency medical technician,” said TJ Schmidt, a staff attorney for HSLDA. “Despite their success in higher education, these graduates were essentially being told to go back to high school.”

The HSLDA claims the police department is violating state law governing educational requirements for officers, which the group argues should permit the two women to join because they hold “a comparable diploma” to high school or its equivalent.

The group is awaiting a response from city officials in Ithaca and will pursue further legal action if the two homeschooled women are not accepted as candidates.

Estrada admits his group had not succeeded in all of its challenges because most vocational schools are privately run and may therefore set their own admission standards — which he complained allowed them to “discriminate against homeschoolers.”

The legal advocate melodramatically related comments made by the president of a cosmetology school — whose voice, he said, was “shaking with rage.”

“I will not let a homeschool graduate into my school unless he or she has a GED,” the school official allegedly told HSLDA attorneys. “My brother had a GED, and if it was good enough for him, it’s good enough for a homeschool graduate.”

The HSLDA has been urging the National Accrediting Commission of Career Arts and Sciences (NACCAS) to loosen its requirements for homeschooled students, and the legal group said the board’s leadership had encouraged affiliated trade schools to accept those students “with open arms.”

Estrada recommended that homeschooled students should present “a parent-issued high school diploma, a high school transcript, and evidence of compliance with your state’s homeschool law” when applying to cosmetology or vocational school.

He urged families to contact HSLDA if the school refuses admittance or requires a GED.

William Estrada, Raw Story 28 Comments [4/7/2016 5:02:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117968

Gordon, we need to separate that which is claimed direct religious experience from that which is philosophically and intellectually assented. Anything else is a typical antitheist category fudge and mudge.

Jonique Anoo, Religion and Ethics 8 Comments [4/7/2016 5:01:59 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 117967

I have been thinking about this lately. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think WE can forgive a woman or an abortionist for taking the life of an innocent child. I think we can forgive them for wrongs they have done to us, but not for the wrong they did to the child and God. I think that only God (and the child in the afterlife) can forgive the post-abortive woman for the abortion she had, but I think we can point to Jesus as the source of that forgiveness.

Similarly, WE cannot forgive the abortionist for the thousands of innocent lives whose blood he or she has shed. Only God can do that. We can love him or her upon repentance, but we are not the one doing the forgiving, nor could we be. Does that make sense to you?

World Gone Crazy, Charisma News 17 Comments [4/7/2016 4:57:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta McFucken

Quote# 117966

He was known as Prophet Shamiso Kanyama in Zimbabwe and he instructed his followers to bury him alive as part of his ritual to cleanse their house of evil spirits. They did and were surprised when they dug him up to find out that he was dead. Now the family involved in the ritual is accused of murder despite the “Prophet” demanding that he be buried.

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Kanyama reportedly asked his followers to bury him alive so that he could summon more cleansing powers to heal the family that had been plagued by mysterious deaths. He directed them to dig a grave and bury him alive because that was the way he summoned more healing powers to ward off evil spirits. Indeed, Kanyama helped to dig his own grave and jumped inside. One man begged the men to stop and dig up Kanyama but they ignored his pleas. Instead, the prophet yelled at the man that he was “disturbing his angels, and urged the other to continue filling the grave."

Shamiso Kanyama, Jonathan Turley 26 Comments [4/7/2016 4:57:47 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP