Quote# 117963

in RV park landlord Gene Baker, who admitted over the weekend that he evicted an interracial couple simply because they were an interracial couple .

“Me and my husband, not ever in 10 years have we experienced any problem,” said Erica Flores Dunahoo, who is Hispanic and Native American. “Nobody’s given us dirty looks. This is our first time.” Her husband, a former National Guardsman of more than a decade, is black — something that bothers the racist landlord’s friends, neighbors, and church.

In February, Dunahoo and her husband, Standley Hoskins, and their two children were set to move into an RV sace to save money and “get our life on track,” the lighter half of the interracial couple explained. On February 28, she gave Baker a check for $275 to pay for a month’s rent. This should have been the end of it — she paid her rent and inexchange she should have been allowed to stay. In fact, there were no problems that first day.

“He was real nice,” she said. “He invited me to church and gave me a hug. I bragged on him to my family.” Unfortunately, the next morning, Baker called her, fuming:

“Hey, you didn’t tell me you was married to no black man.”

Dunahoo told him that she didn’t realize it would be a problem. It is, after all, 2016.

“Oh, it’s a big problem with the members of my church, my community and my mother-in-law,” Baker told her. “They don’t allow that black and white shacking.”

“We’re not shacking. We’re married,” she replied, but Baker would have none of it, explaining that “it’s the same thing.”

“You don’t talk like you wouldn’t be with no black man,” the church-going “Christian” continued. “If you would had come across like you were with a black man, we wouldn’t have this problem right now.”

Baker maintains that he is not a racist, telling the Clarion-Ledger that he only refused to provide a space to the couple because of the issues members of his church and community had with a black man and a light-skinned woman “shacking.” He even says they would be welcome to attend his church. They just could not be members, because the church does not believe in interracial marriage.

To avoid future issues, he plans to completely close his RV park down just in case he ever encounters another interracial couple who wishes to rent a space

Gene Baker, Addicting Info 22 Comments [4/7/2016 4:55:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 117960

God is above people's lives and deaths, he created the concept of both.

Since you're so keen on your gnostic "yhwh is the devil" goggles, start with the flood, or Sodom: more death.
Even in the Moses story, all the firstborns of Egypt? Some were surely good kids!

God's making of humanity is certainly mysterious, at least as mysterious as if he were an explosion and monkeys.

Makes sense that he would be serious about the ten commandments though.
People who don't take regular breaks from their daily jobs become turbo insane workoholics and if the hebrews had done that, the world would be way way worse than it is now for that guy's death.

Imagine the kind of man it takes to see the creator of the world part the sea, destroy the biggest empire on earth in a day, hear him say "take the day off" and decide "eh what ever I'll just not take the day off, just to show him who's in charge"
Not the best kind of man for sure, and frankly I'm glad he didn't become a nation.

As for the deaths of all those killed by god's actions or exhortations, you have to see something here:

we can play a video game in which, in order to make the game unfold the way we want it, much video game "death" occurs.
This is not actual murder, even though we didn't create the computer (and in most cases didn't even program the game).

To God, we're not all that: he can make an entire new world like you'd make a pie, and if it doesn't taste or look like the pie you want, you can throw it in the bin and make a better one.
If you kill some guy you'd be insane scumbag & c, but if you throw your #ty pie in the bin, or a small part of an apple on it that looks like it may be unfit for the pie? Basic pie-making

Judging god isn't even as smart as denying god: if you think there is a creator, what ever he does is his prerogative entirely and you have no more right to judge it than the pawn on your chessboard can tell you to move the queen to b6 or you're a scumbag.
So the gnostic workaround is to say "oh but "yhwh" isn't the creator."
You either receive the story or you don't: yhwh is the god of Moses who is the god of Jacob four generations earlier, and is the god of Abraham who is the god of Adam who is the creator.

human emotions do not apply to god in any way, not taking his guidelines seriously results in much unnecessary grief, believing the serpent is what made Adam's kids go through all this nonsense to begin with.

"yeah let's believe the serpent again, surely this time he's on our side"

well.. nope

Didn't work when he said science of good and evil would make us gods
won't work when he says he's god and god is the serpent, either


wisvol, above top secerts 22 Comments [4/6/2016 2:53:30 AM]
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Quote# 117958

Oh friend, you know as well as I do, that atheists who claim to have read the Bible, really haven't thoroughly read the Bible

david j. stewart, JESUS IS SAVIOR 28 Comments [4/6/2016 2:52:28 AM]
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Submitted By: sweetride

Quote# 117957

Although there are many phony Christians, and ungodly preachers (and the Bible condemns them all - 2nd Peter 2:1-3), it is God-fearing people who are the most kindest, forgiving and generous people on earth. Who are the murderous Communists? That's right, they are atheists. Who are the mass-murderers? That's right, they are atheists. Although Adolf Hitler claimed to be a Christian, he clearly was not. Hitler was associated with the satanic Roman Catholic religion, as well as the occult. Remember, the Bible warns that Satan and his ministers are actors, falsely appearing as righteous ministers and Christ Himself (2nd Corinthians 11:13-15; Matthew 7:15). God is a holy God and wherever you find good in this world you'll find God. Granted, many people have been murdered in the name of religion, but that just evidences the spiritual war that exists between Satan and God.

david j. stewart, Jesus is Savior 16 Comments [4/6/2016 2:52:17 AM]
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Submitted By: sweetride

Quote# 117955

I'm betting on God's side, because He has a perfect batting average!

david j. stewart, JESUS IS SAVIOR 28 Comments [4/6/2016 2:40:51 AM]
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Quote# 117954

The Refiner's Fire Response:

Read in context, you would see that God gave Pharoah NINE CHANCES to comply with His wishes to "let His people (the Israelites) go". NINE plagues to give Pharaoh a chance to see exactly WHO was in charge! Let's take a look what these "chances" were:

First Plague: The Nile waters Turn to Blood

The Nile, the river of Egypt, was the Egyptians' idol. The Nile's waters nourished the land and determined the welfare of all the people. The Egyptians thirsted after blood when they slaughtered the Hebrews' children, and now God gave them blood to drink. Now the source that brought the Egyptians life brought death instead (Exod. 7:14-25).

Second Plague: The frogs

The frogs represented the Egyptian fertility goddess, Isis, that was supposed to help women in childbirth. Frogs were everywhere: in their houses, in their beds, and at their tables. They could not eat, drink, or sleep without their precious god. The frog that symbolized life was left to be raked in heaps of rotting piles of death (Exod. 8:1-15).

Third Plague: The Lice

The lice which came up to live out of the dust of the earth represented the Egyptians' god of the earth, Seth. Matthew Henry notes that lice were small despicable, inconsiderable animals, and yet, by their vast numbers, they rendered a sore plague to the Egyptians. God could have plagued them with lions, or bears, or wolves, or with vultures or other birds of prey; but He chose to do it by these contemptible instruments (Exod. 8:16-19).

Fourth Plague: The Flies

The stinging, disease-carrying flies ruined the land. Beelzebub, the prince of the power of the air, has been glorified as the god of flies, the god of Ekron. The fly was always present at idolatry sacrifices. It seems that the god partook of those in this manner. This fourth plague came upon the Egyptians only. It made Israel a separate and Holy People (Exod. 8:20-32).

Fifth Plague: The Disease of Livestock

A great number of cattle died by a sort of pestilence. The Egyptians made the Hebrews poor and so God caused great loss to the Egyptians. This disease afflicted only the Egyptian livestock. The Egyptians believed animals were possessed by the spirits of gods. The bull was sacred in Egypt, identified in it markings to their god Apis. This pestilence, God's Word tells us, did not affect the Hebrew livestock (Exod. 9:1-7).

Sixth Plague: The Boils

Again God demonstrated His ability to control nature. When the death of their cattle didn't convince the Egyptians, God sent a plague that seized their own bodies. And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast (Exod. 9:10). Sores in the body were looked upon as punishment for sin, a means by which to call one to repentance. None of the Hebrews had any boils. This plague was a direct attack on the shamanism of the medico-mystical processes in Egypt (Exod. 9:8-12).

Seventh Plague: The Hailstorm

Moses gave the people a one-day warning before this plague. The notice was given because the sorcerers of Egypt were also agricultural shamans who supposedly controlled the weather. Those who feared the Lord went into shelter (showing us that God had mercy on some of the Egyptians). Those who did not believe God and took no shelter died in the fields (Ex. 9:21). There was ice and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all of the land of Egypt. The hail killed both men and cattle, and battered down the herbs, vegetable gardens, fruit trees, and other plants. God, in His judgment, caused it to rain or hail on the Egyptians and not on the Hebrews (Exod. 9:13-35).

Eighth Plague: The locusts

By this time, Pharaoh's people, his magicians, and advisors, began to rebel. Pharaoh stood alone against God. Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts. And the locusts went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts of Egypt: very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts as they, neither after them shall be such. The plague was then sent which devastated the land and hence the power of the gods and shamans of agriculture. Pharaoh sent for Moses and pretended to repent. He asked Moses to pray to God to take the locusts away. And the LORD turned a mighty strong west wind, which took away the locusts, and cast them into the Red Sea; there remained not one locust in all the coasts of Egypt (Exod. 10:13-14, 19).

Ninth Plague: The Darkness

The Egyptians rebelled against the light of God's Word and they were justly punished with darkness. This thick darkness was over Egypt three days, but the people of Israel had light where they dwelt. What a picture of dark and light, of being lost and saved. The children of God walked in the light while Pharaoh and his people wandered in the darkness.

This plague was an attack on the power of the supreme deity of Egypt, the sun god Re or Amun-Re. The Egyptians could do nothing but stay in their homes and consider what they had experienced up to now, regarding the power of the God of the Israelites. Even then, Pharaoh refused to yield (Exod. 10:21-29).

Tenth Plague: The Death of the Firstborn

God said in Exodus 13:2, Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary explains the importance of the firstborn: God placed a special claim on the firstborn of man and beast (Ex. 13:11-13). This meant that the nation of Israel attached unusual value to the eldest son and assigned special privileges and responsibilities to him. Because of God's claim on the first offspring, the firstborn sons of the Hebrews were presented to the Lord when they were a month old. Since the firstborn was regarded as God's property, it was necessary for the father to redeem, or buy back, the child from the priest. Early Hebrew laws also provided that the firstlings of beasts belonged to the Lord and were turned over to the sanctuary (Ex. 13:2; 34:19; Lev. 27:26). The firstborn's birthright was a double portion of the estate and leadership of the family. As head of the home after his father's death, the eldest son customarily cared for his mother until her death, and provided for his unmarried sisters until their marriages. He was the family's spiritual head and served as its priest. In figurative language, the term firstborn stands for that which is most excellent.

The significance of the death of every firstborn in Egypt, from the house of Pharaoh to the slaves and the livestock, was great. But Israel would be spared so that there would be an obvious distinction between those who belong to the YAWH and those who do not (Exod. 11:1-10).


How many chances SHOULD God haven given the Egyptians? If they couldn't understand that YHWH was in charge say, by the second or third plague, then that indicates that they probably wouldn't have listened to God after the thousandth plague!

Now, let's discuss "hardening of the heart". The following is an indepth explanation borrowed, in part, from The Christian Think Tank:

The bottom line is that God KNEW that Pharoah's heart was hardened, and so He allowed a struggle to happen: During the first 5 plagues, Pharaoh hardened his own heart without any help from God (Exodus 7:13,14,22; 8:15,19,32; 9:7). Then God does it (9:12); then Pharaoh and his officials do it together (9:34-35), then God does the rest.

The point of the hardening is given the following passages to show that God CAN perform these miracles/judgments:

Exodus 10: 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them.

Exodus 11: 10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.

Exodus 14: 17 But take this staff in your hand so you can perform miraculous signs with it."

The miracles/signs/judgments themselves had an end-goal: so that the Egyptians would know that YHWH was God (and therefore come into a positive relationship with him - Exodus 14:4, 17); and so that the Israelites would know that YHWH had delivered them from their oppression with power, and was therefore a God they could depend on for their needs (Exodus 10.1), and so that the whole world would hear about God - 9:16. In other words, the end goal seems to be to wake everybody up concerning the true and living God.

From Lamentations 3 we know that God "sends hardness of heart" as a punishment: 59 You have seen, O LORD, the wrong done to me. Uphold my cause! 60 You have seen the depth of their vengeance, all their plots against me. 61 O LORD, you have heard their insults, all their plots against me- 62 what my enemies whisper and mutter against me all day long. 63 Look at them! Sitting or standing, they mock me in their songs. 64 Pay them back what they deserve, O LORD, for what their hands have done. 65 Put a veil over their hearts, and may your curse be on them! 66 Pursue them in anger and destroy them from under the heavens of the LORD.

What this means is that the judgments of God were not because of the later hardenings, but that the later hardenings were judgments themselves. (This motif also shows up in Joshua, where the kings who were being evicted from the land for atrocious crimes were "hardened" so they would fight Israel. (Jos 11:19.)

refiners fire, refiners fire 30 Comments [4/6/2016 2:40:41 AM]
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Submitted By: sweetride

Quote# 117950

Funny that we were having this discussion in this thread regarding homosexuality caused by being molested and I received a call last night from an old friend I've had since high school. He called to tell me that our mutual friend recently contacted him and asked him to come over to talk. This friend's dad was a closeted homosexual and we all knew it growing-up but no one ever spoke of it, it turns out our mutual friend had been molested several times over the years of his childhood by his father and he recently confronted the bastard and told him he would have no further contact with him. This person is now in his early 40s and married with two children but says being molested as a child by his father has nearly driven him mad, he expressed that he was afraid to tell any of us as we'd probably think he was also gay which was actually never the case but I personally can't imagine having to endure what he did and living day-to-day with those hellish memories. This is my problem with gays wanting to adopt children, I could care less what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their home, but when it involves children and those children are molested or exposed to depravity, the line must be drawn.

UliJonHoth, Bitcoin Forum 23 Comments [4/6/2016 2:38:38 AM]
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Quote# 117948

As can be expected human knowledge is sand tower. Without the help of our Creator our outlook and knowledge will remain extremely limited. It is physically imposible to get more knowledge from the Earth. But humanists must maintain the myth of endless human passiblities of the proud denied their Creator.

viko_mx, Phys.org 23 Comments [4/6/2016 2:36:43 AM]
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Quote# 117947

Evil Bible Allegation: God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel's death. Genesis 4:3-5


The Refiner's Fire Response:

First of all, God doesn't have to "justify" anything, because EVERYTHING He does is perfect and for a reason. (You don't have to justify to your kid why he shouldn't do drugs. You tell him it's bad for him, it might even kill him, and that's the end of it. When parents speak, kids are to listen - whether they agree or not.) Secondly, the Evil Bible web master has AGAIN taken Scripture out of context. Let's take a look at what actually happened:

Genesis 4:

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

In order to grasp the meaning of this, one has to have a good understanding of Torah, including Exodus 12:1-13 wherein God describes exactly what type of animal is to be used for sacrifice, and what types of sacrifices will be accepted. Even though the Bible doesn't outline specifics about sacrifices until the Book of Leviticus, Cain and Abel obviously KNEW about sacrifices in their day, which means Cain knew exactly what was and what wasn't an appropriate sacrifice to bring before God. He chose to bring whatever he wanted, rather than what he KNEW God wanted.

"To see the law in its right place, we must look at the circumstances going before. We must not imagine that the world was without law from God in the times before the law of Moses. There is the clearest evidence that law, commandment and statute were in force, and that men were righteous or wicked according to their attitude towards these during that time. Thus of Abraham God said to Isaac, he "kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws" (Gen. 26: 5), which was centuries before the giving of the law.

So - Cain KNEW what to bring. He KNEW that sin offerings require blood, yet he took the easy way out, since he was a farmer of crops instead of animals. As a result, rather than to realize he'd goofed and simply admit it, he instead became jealous of and angry with his brother. He killed Abel - a sin that was a direct result of Adam and Eve's disobedience - because, before they disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, it never occurred to anyone to fight, argue, or be murderously jealous! The Bible tells us that we reap what we sow....

Genesis 4:

8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

See the sin in Cain? Not only did he kill his brother, he also LIED about it! Like most humans who think they're smarter than God, Cain figured he could talk his way out of what he had done and just get on with his life.

10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."

13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Now, here is yet another sign of God's mercy: Rather than to allow Cain to be killed for the evil sin he had committed, God told him He would protect him! Cain brought his own punishment upon himself, yet God spared him for reasons only GOD Himself knows!

refiners fire, refiners fire 18 Comments [4/6/2016 2:32:18 AM]
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Submitted By: sweetride

Quote# 117945

First, we know God’s Word is true and there was a global Flood. Knowing the Flood happened, and in light of the fact that we have plants today, the important question is: in what ways did the plants and seeds survive the Flood? The logical argument for the fact that plants survived the Flood is actually quite simple.

The Bible states there was a worldwide Flood.
We see plants today.
Therefore plants survived the Flood.


David Wright, Answers In Genesis 29 Comments [4/6/2016 2:31:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Cyclonus

Quote# 117944

By definition a homosexual discriminates against women. If you didn't you would be Heterosexual.

Alasdair Maclean, Twitter 25 Comments [4/6/2016 2:25:58 AM]
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Submitted By: faefantasia

Quote# 117943

What kind of immoralities are you talking about?

As examples, godly people are against the following immoralities:

- Fornication
- Onanism
- Using illegal drugs
- Using foul language
- Taking the LORD's name in vain
- Murdering babies via 'abortion'
- Murdering babies via 'stem cell research'
- Murdering the disabled and/or elderly via 'euthanasia'
- Indoctrinating students with darwinistic beliefs in public schools

Now, contrast that with atheists. atheists are by and large, if not universally, in favor of all of those immoralities.

Navaros, IMDB 23 Comments [4/6/2016 2:23:05 AM]
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Quote# 117942

A former adviser to GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump is promising “days of rage” outside the GOP convention in Cleveland if the Republican Party tries to whisk the nomination away from Trump and give it to someone more palatable to the party.

According to Buzzfeed, Roger Stone — who either quit or was fired by the Trump campaign last August depending upon who is talking — is modeling his street actions after the violent protests outside the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968.

Despite no longer having any official affiliation with the Trump campaign, Stone has remained one of the candidate’s biggest boosters.

Stone promised disruptions at the convention earlier in the week, telling GQ: “I think there would be extreme anger by the Trump supporters. I don’t know that it would boil over into violence. Trump is certainly not advocating violence.”

With the possibility of a contested convention and Trump being denied the nomination, Stone has been tweeting out: “Stop the Steal March On Cleveland! @realDonaldTrump Supporters- drive,hitch-hike, bus or fly to “the Forest City’ July 18-21”

In an email interview with Buzzfeed, Stone said, the protests will be “organized by Trump nation,” in conjunction with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ Infowars.

Stone wrote, they will “will stage protests at hotels of state delegates of states supporting the BIG STEAL.”

“The Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Romney, Ryan, McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump,” Stone wrote in a column this week.

Accordingly, the Cleveland police department has been stocking up on riot gear — using a $50 million federal security grant — in anticipation of protests in the hot July weather both for and against the controversial candidate.

Roger Stone, Raw Story 21 Comments [4/6/2016 2:22:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117941

The family of a Muslim child is upset because they say the 12-year-old’s teacher called him a terrorist in front of his classmates, KHOU reports.

Waleed Abushaaban, an honor student at a middle school in Fort Bend County, Texas, said the class was watching a movie on Thursday when his teacher directed the hateful words his way.

“We were in the class watching a movie,” Waleed told KHOU, “and I was just laughing at the movie and the teacher said, ‘I wouldn’t be laughing if I was you.’ And I said why? She said, ‘because we all think you’re a terrorist.'”

Abushaaban said the class was watching the soccer film, Bend It Like Beckham, after completing testing when the comment was made. He said the teacher’s comment prompted the other students to start mocking him.

“They were like, ‘oh I see a bomb!’ and they started all laughing and making jokes,” he told the station. “I was upset and I felt like I was put in the corner and like everybody was just looking at me.“

The school district has removed the teacher from the classroom while it conducts an investigation. But Abushaaban’s parents and local Muslim leaders want her fired.

“Just because my son is a Muslim doesn’t mean he is a terrorist,” Malek Abushaaban told KHOU. “He’s an American. He’s as American as anybody else. He was born here. That’s all he knows, is how to be an American.”

According to KHOU, the family plans to keep Waleed at the school, and aside from wanting the English and Language Arts teacher fired, they want students and teachers to undergo religious sensitivity training.

In a statement sent to KHOU about the incident, Fort Bend Independent School District officials say the teacher claims she was trying to make a point about negative stereotypes, but did so poorly.

“While the teacher reports her statements were made in the context of trying to make a point about negative stereotypes, District officials do not believe that the teacher exercised the appropriate sensitivity expected of the District’s educators, and do not believe that the statements were made in a manner that is in keeping with the District’s Core Beliefs and Commitments,” the statement reads.

It’s not the first time a young Muslim student has been the target of anti-Muslim sentiment in Texas public schools.

Last year, 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed was arrested when he brought homemade clock to school. Teachers and school police accused the child of making a “hoax bomb.” Mohamed was cleared and in the midst of outcry over the incident.

Unnamed teacher, Raw Story 19 Comments [4/6/2016 2:22:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 117939

THE ISLAMIC NEW WORLD ORDER

The Church today is completely saturated in Apostasy. At the very heart of this Apostasy are the false prophets [that is, Pastors, Bishops and Priests] who are deceiving Christians to practice lawlessness. Hence the reason why billions of Christians are spiritually cold towards the Lord Jesus Christ, the reading of His Word and the keeping of His commandments. The few Christians that do are having to endure mockery, ridicule and persecution at the hands of those Christians that don't. This will continue until the Last Day of this Church Age.

"...Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Matt.24:11-13]

The Last Day of this Church Age, on First-fruits, will signal The End of this Age as we know it. For this is when the Lord Jesus Christ will come again and gather into heaven all those who love Him by keeping His commandments, and will, unfortunately, leave behind all those who don't.

"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me...Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word...He who does not love Me does not keep My words..." [John 14:21,23,24]

All the Christians that are left behind will then have to choose, under the Islamic New World Order, whether to feed their bellies or loose their heads!

The Islamic New World Order under Obama, who is a Muslim, is coming into existence for one purpose only and that is to persecute Christians by beheading them for 42 Prophetic Months or 1,260 Days. I believe this will be from the 19th of October 2019 until the 31st of March 2023. This persecution will separate real Christians from those who are Christians in name only.

Once this has been accomplished the Islamic New World Order along with all those who will choose to feed their bellies instead of making a stand for Christ will be destroyed! All the Christians who survive being beheaded will then usher in the Millennium Reign of Christ on earth.

"...the same horn [Obama] was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom...He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time [360 Days] and times [720 Days] and half a time [180 Days]." [Dan.7:21,22,25][words in bracket are mine]

INTHELORDSNAME, Godlike Productions 11 Comments [4/6/2016 2:09:26 AM]
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Quote# 117928

In the new film “God Is Not Dead 2,” co-produced by David A.R. White, a false Gospel is taught. Toward the end of the film, two actors are portrayed exchanging the Gospel message, in which the audience is influenced to “invite Jesus into your life” and to “follow Jesus as your Savior and Lord.” Kindly, although I loved the inspirational film and admire David White's acting talent, they got the Gospel WRONG! The Word of God plainly defines “the Gospel” as:

1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”

There you have it... Christ DIED (on the cross for our sins), He was BURIED (officially dead and buried), and He RESURRECTED (bodily from the dead) three days later. There is no mention of “following Jesus.” There is no mention of “saying a prayer.” There is no mention of “inviting Jesus into your life.” There is no mention of “turning from one's sins” to be saved. The Gospel is so plain, and it is so easy to be saved, that the apostle Paul called it, “the simplicity that is in Christ” (2nd Corinthians 11:3-4). Nor does the Bible mention “water baptism” as being necessary for salvation. It is not required.

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Furthermore, both the 2014 film “God Is Not Dead” and the new 2016 film “God Is Not Dead 2” feature the worldly music of the “Newsboys” Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) band, who are praised by satanic hellbound Roman Catholics. NEWSBOYS' co-founder and guitarist, George Perdikis, last year renounced and denounced his alleged “Christian” faith and declared himself AN ATHEIST! This doesn't come as a surprise to faithful Christians, who have exposed CCM as of the Devil from the very beginning! Before there was ever a sickly deformed animal known as “Christian Rock,” there was Rock 'N' Roll music! CCM is worldly, all of it! Amy Grant, the diva of CCM, has done more to unite evangelical churches in apostasy with the wicked world than any other person in CCM. She ought to be ashamed! Hellbound Roman Catholics love Amy Grant! Something is VERY wrong with that! In eternity, on Judgment Day, my preaching of THE TRUTH will be vindicated. You cannot make God cool and hip to the world!

I believe that David A.R. White (and others who produce today's popular religious films) are sincere in their faith, but the Bible warns that sincerity can be a road to destruction in hell. Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” We are plainly warned by the Lord in Matthew 7:21-23, and given a clear example of what will happen to most religious people, when they hear the horrifying words from Christ... I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY!!! Remember, these unsaved people were religious! These unsaved people preached in Jesus' name! These unsaved people did many wonderful works! These unsaved false prophets even cast out Devils in Jesus' name! YET, THEY HAD NEVER BEEN BORN-AGAIN! They failed to rest completely in the finished work of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:10-11).

Just as most unregenerate religious people today, the unsaved religious people in Matthew 7:21-23 were enamored with the name of “Jesus.” So much so that they preached in “Jesus' name” everywhere they went! They declared “Jesus as Lord,” saying “Lord, Lord” everywhere they went (aka, Lordship Salvation). They were good people by man's standards. But they all went to Hell to burn. Take heed my friend. Hear again the Lord's warning in Luke 13:23-24, “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” Here again, we see the danger of sincerity. God is no respecter of persons! If you fail to obey the Gospel, by simply receiving the Good News of Christ's sacrificial payment on the cross for your sins—when He died, was buried, and resurrected from the dead the third day—you will not be permitted entrance through Heaven's pearly gates!!!

If you want to make Jesus the “Lord” of your life right away after you get saved, that is fine, but you had BETTER NOT ADD LORDSHIP to the Gospel, OR YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL WHEN YOU DIE! If you choose to pray after you receive the Gospel, that is appropriate, but you had BETTER NOT ADD PRAYER to the Gospel, OR ELSE YOU'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL TO BURN WHEN YOU DIE!!! Don't add anything to the Gospel, just receive it by faith as your own! You can invite Jesus into your life all you want, and spend every day with Him as Judas did, and still die in your sins and go straight to Hell for ever!!! The moment you believe the Gospel by faith, making it your only hope for Heaven, you are saved!!!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 34 Comments [4/5/2016 2:57:39 AM]
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Quote# 117925

So you have, I am sorry to hear about your experience. I have had an experience with a homosexual that was probably as bad. This guy befriended me at a church when I was new to the area. Not knowing his sexuality I thought him very pleasant, and was intrigued that someone could be so friendly. Well, eventually we discussed relationships, and he told me about a previous one he had had, and that it was with a man. My approach as a Christian was to stay friends with him but make it clear that I believed that was wrong. His approach was to get me in a headlock and force me to say it is not wrong.
Homosexuals are not harmless, they are mentally ill and can be dangerous, just like pedophiles. Read the account of Sodom and Gomorrah for more evidence.
Regarding their rehabilitation. If I had continued to live near to this person I hope I would have forgiven him and remained friends. As it was I moved away and didn't want to stay in contact. However, I know a chap who has had homosexual attraction but is a Christian and has coped with it while remaining celibate. This is due to support from his church. I do not know any pedophiles, but have read an article online written by one, who claims he is also celibate and never molests children. I will try and find a link. But people here who claim all pedophiles do not want to be cured are clearly wrong; neither do they know the power of prayer.

Spud, Religion and Ethics 20 Comments [4/5/2016 2:56:53 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 117921

This is in line with the thread topic, because I am thinking in the context of Christian families who care about the people in society and are willing to take risks in order to help them. As an example, a few male friends who shared a house together took in someone who was an alcoholic. They let him live in their house and encouraged him for some time and he gradually got back into work and living a normal life. If someone can come off alcohol or drugs, then surely a person with homosexual or pedophile-type tendencies can be turned around if they express a desire to do so.
There was something on the news recently about the Spanish prison system. They have much better facilities for rehabilitation, and a much lower proportion of those released re-offend than in Britain.
I guess what I want to get across is that when a person loses something they think of as part of them, for example the freedom to express the desire to molest children (it being illegal), they need something to fill that hole. It can be a hobby or a friendship, something to take away the urges. Sometimes they will surface again but over time an offender can learn how to deal with unwanted desires and live a healthy lifestyle.
In churches where there is real conviction that homosexuality is against God's will, you will find individuals with the gift of helping people struggling in that area; they know how to support them, pray for them and help them change their lifestyle. A lot of it is about not being judgmental when they sometimes fall back into it, recognizing that change doesn't happen overnight.
You said, "How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion."
It depends on what you read. I have found literature which tells a different story about homosexual lifestyles from what one normally hears. You just have to read Shaker's post above to see that he is unwilling to see anything negative about them, or admit that they cause harm. Personally, one look at the biological evidence makes it quite clear that homosexual sex is nothing other than destructive.
We will see eventually whether or not the West's acceptance of homosexuality makes it stronger. It has been interesting to see how the USA and NATO were powerless to do anything about Russia's recent involvement in Syria.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Spud, Religion and Ethics 16 Comments [4/5/2016 2:55:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 117919

The Incredible Happenings Ministries founder and leader Prophet Mboro finally spoke out concerning his ascension to heaven over the Easter weekend.

According to news sources, thousands of church goers witnessed a miracle as the controversial prophet was caught up to heaven on Easter Sunday. It is said that the incident happened at an Easter service in Johannesburg, but people from as far as Pretoria testified that the sky somehow looked different around 10:30 am.

According to reports, Mboro was about to begin a sermon at his church in his hometown when a beam of light from the sky appeared and whisked him into Paradise while some feared he was taken by aliens.

Mr. Nkuna, a spokesperson of the church conducted an interview with a local News Paper (Katlehong Weekly) and confirmed that the Pastor was indeed captured to heaven and he is now back.

“The prophet did go to heaven during the service, and he came back later that day. While there, he took pictures using his Samsung Galaxy S5 so he can show them to the people on earth if they do not believe he was captured to heaven. The pictures will be made available to the public on his Facebook page later next week and can now only be accessed through a R5000 pledge.

Those who need the pictures can contact the church and make the pledge using Money Market then we will send them the pictures on Whatsapp.” Said Mr. Nkuna.

Prophet Mboro & Mr. Nkuna, News SA 29 Comments [4/5/2016 2:54:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 117917

Bible Question:
Thoughts come into my head all the time while I am reading parts of the Bible. At times they try to make me think that certain passages are false. They blaspheme God. I am wondering is this the work of demons or actually my own thoughts? I believe to have a great relationship with God but this is causing me much doubt now.

Bible Answer:
These thoughts could be your own, but it is also highly probable that the thoughts are coming from Satan. Satan wants us to doubt God. He wants non-Christians to reject God personally and to reject what God has said in the Bible. Satan also wants Christians, those who believe and trust Him, not to trust Him and to doubt what He has said in the Bible.

Calling God a Liar. A perfect example of this is found in Genesis 2 and 3. In Genesis 3:1, we are told that Satan approached Eve and then quoted God saying she could eat of any of the trees in the garden.

Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” (NASB) Gen. 3:1

Satan misrepresented God. In Genesis 2:16 it is recorded that God told Adam the following,

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” (NASB) Gen. 2:16-17

Eve knew the truth and corrected Satan’s false statement. Here is her response.

The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'” (NASB) Gen. 3:2-3

But Satan was determined to cause trouble and so he contradicts what God had said. In essence He calls God a liar. Here is Satan’s response to Eve.

The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (NASB) Gen. 3:4-5

In Satan’s encounter with Eve, he actually never calls God a liar. Yet, he implies that God is a liar – that God did not tell the truth. He is devious and cunning. He is sophisticated and clever. Today, Satan uses philosophy, science, archaeology, and various issues to cause people to doubt God. He uses what appears to be objective evidence to call God a liar. He is devious!

Putting Thoughts In Our Mind. In the Garden of Eden, Satan spoke directly to Eve. Now consider what happened to the apostle Peter when he told Jesus that he hoped Jesus would never suffer and die.

Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” (NASB) Matthew 16:22-33

Jesus spoke directly to Peter and rebuked Satan. In Jesus’ parable of the “Sower and the Seed,” He tells us that Satan snatches away the Word of God after a person has heard it. Here is the first part of the parable.

When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. (NASB) Matthew 13:19

This implies that Satan can put doubts into our minds. This may indeed be what you are experiencing.

Conclusion:
We have discovered that Satan had put the thoughts into Peter’s mind that were expressed in the words Peter spoke. This means that Satan can put thoughts into our minds and we should not be surprised if the thoughts are anti-God and cause us to doubt what is said in the Bible – the Word of God. How do we protect ourselves? Be sure to spend time each day reading the Word of God and spend time praying to God. It is the Word of God which the Holy Spirit uses to renew our minds – out thinking. Ask God to protect you as you read and study the Bible. You might remember that God put a “hedge of protection” around the ancient patriarch Job (Job 1:9-10). The hedge protected Job from Satan. Therefore, ask God to put a hedge around you and protect you from Satan and yourself. Also, put on the whole Armor of God of Ephesians 6:1

Like The Master Ministries, Never Thristy 22 Comments [4/5/2016 2:51:24 AM]
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Quote# 117915

Fear is a demon spirit that operates in the air, man, animals or objects. You also have five spiritual senses as well as natural senses. You should get in the practice of discerning your spirit. Fear brings bondage.

Pastor Charles Dowell Jr., straitwaytruth.com 26 Comments [4/5/2016 2:49:08 AM]
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Submitted By: undie not fundie

Quote# 117912

And this why you should never rely on Wikipedia for anything politically related. The site is VERY well known for having an exceptionally gross bias against the right, against conservatives, against Republicans, and against anyone or anything that dares challenge the hive mind / group think of the Left and liberal orthodoxy.

The "Southern Strategy" was actually an attempt by the GOP to break the stranglehold the Democrats had on politics in the South. That hold was so strong the rest of the Democratic Party had to bend to it and thus progress on Civil Rights was always held back by the Democrats - with Southern Democrats at the lead in that.

The GOP attempted to make inroads in the South by appealing to moderates among Southern urban voters. Those "disaffected whites" were the absolute LAST people who would EVER be caught dead voting for Republicans. Look up the phrase "yellow dog Democrat" as an example of that mentality.

The GOP didn't get too far in the South in the 60s with that strategy. The South remained SOLIDLY a Democratic Party stronghold.

If the article's premise were factual you'd have seen the South change over to Republican by the late 60s or early 70s as the Democratic Party pulled a near 180 and suddenly became the pro-civil rights thing that the GOP had always been.

Instead, the South remained Democratic and Southern voters kept electing racist Democrats to office.

It was only in the 80s that things began to change as those Southern Democratic Party bigots began getting too old to hold to power. AND because or immigration patterns where millions of Northerners began moving in to the South in search of better jobs and lower taxes.

As that happened, only then did the voting patterns change and the GOP's message of smaller government / lower taxes take root in the South.

Arguing otherwise runs contrary to the actual facts and is also a staple of current Democratic Party talking points as they attempt to rewrite history and make the Republican Party a thing of racism. This, when it has consistently been the Democratic Party which was the racist of the two.

Madoc, Starship Modeler Discussion Forums 18 Comments [4/5/2016 2:48:42 AM]
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Quote# 117910

I've never publicly posed like a whore to encourage lustful men to commit Onanism to me. On the other hand, Melissa Joan did. That fact is indisputable.

Navaros, IMDB 18 Comments [4/5/2016 2:48:10 AM]
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Quote# 117909

The thread title is an oxymoron. Christianity and politics are the same thing - not different things, as the thread tile implies.

I.e. Christians are obligated to oppose evil, and one cannot oppose evil without at the same time clashing with evildoers who promote a political agenda about indulging in evil.

Navaros, IMDB 19 Comments [4/5/2016 2:47:56 AM]
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Quote# 117908

[ on someone supporting torturing the family members of alleged terrorists in order to get information ]

We wouldn't even be talking about this shit if leftists and phony rightists weren't so damn weak on Islam.

I don't blame TimeToTurn, I blame the left. The longer the west does nothing, the harder it will be to fight Islamic supremacism without compromising your own humanity. The longer we wait, the harder it will be to solve the problem of Islamization of the west humanely. We will either be stuck with a growing problem of terrorism, become a police state or it will be a bloody civil war when people have had enough of Islamic supremacists defiling our otherwise free and tolerant societies, forming no-go zones, calling for Sharia law, forming Sharia vigilante groups and doing terrorism etc.

When people peacefully criticized Islam - the left said that was "hateful" and "Islam is a religion of peace".

When people argued for restrictions on Muslim immigration - the left said that was "racist", even though Islam isn't a race and immigration isn't a right but a privilege.

When people argued that Muslim immigrants should integrate into western society or leave - the left said "no we have to be multicultural and all cultures are equal". A sensible immigration policy could have solved most of these problems, but the left opposed any discussions on it, ignored all the connections between Islamic doctrine (such as the perpetual warfare doctrine in Surahs 9:5 and 9:29) and Islamic terrorism so now Europe has a significant 5th column on their soil that they can't even identify easily let alone deport (because many of them are 2nd generation migrants with citizenship, action can only be taken after the terrorist attack has already been committed). And the left wants more. More Muslim immigrants and Muslim refugees, including with mandatory quotas so they want this imposed on Eastern Europe as well, which is barely recovering from half a century of communism. It's almost as if they're intentionally setting up conditions for a civil war in the west. Neither malice nor stupidity should be tolerated of our politicians.

anonymous, FSTDT 95 Comments [4/5/2016 2:45:34 AM]
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