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Quote# 118239

Right and wrong are subjective, social constructions that have no real meaning. If torture wasnt an effective means of extracting information then it wouldnt have been used as such for thousands of years.

Shai Hulud, Gateworld 34 Comments [4/17/2016 5:06:20 AM]
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Quote# 118238

I really can't disagree with torture on the basis of the pain/anguish it causes, human beings are resilient and I think we're becoming very soft and squeamish to such things. The only real arguments that I think hold value on the subject and are relevant to the opposing side are related to effectiveness. The question of torturing innocents is all down to competency of the individuals involved and really have nothing to do with the issue of torture itself and as I stated; humans are resilient - we can handle it. and I think we're becoming very soft and squeamish to such things.
Better for one man to feel such pain than a thousand innocents later on


I don't find anything morally objectionable about using torture to obtain information that will save lives.

Given the choice between inflicting temporary pain on one person to save the life of another I'd take the former without a seconds thought.



[ Trying to logically argue the value of compassion or empathy to someone is pointless. Either they have it or they don't. For many torture supporters the feelings of protection and pound of flesh retribution gained from the practice more than overrides any sense of compassion or fair play they may have. As long as they don't know who is being tortured and it isn't directing impacting their lives the suffering imposed on others isn't important to them. ]


It has nothing to do with a "pound of flesh" or "retribution gained". Maybe you should stick to your own feelings on the subject rather than trying to tell me what mine are, because none of what you just wrote is correct.


[ Is torture okay when you are unsure whether the person you are torturing has the information you need? ]

Yes, again we're weighing temporary pain for a very short time against a persons life.



Every country has examples of innocent people going to jail for crimes they didn't commit (A-Team lolol) and I'm sure those people had lasting psychological effects but we don't stop sending people to jail because we might be wrong.

[You also didn't answer my question about an innocent who lies under torture to make it stop. Is that a crime or not? Should an innocent who is totured be able to sue for being tortured, or is that just the cost of keeping or nation "free"?]


No I don't consider it a crime to falsely confess under duress and no I don't think an innocent who is tortured should be able to sue.


Sami_, GateWorld 17 Comments [4/17/2016 4:32:12 AM]
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Submitted By: randy

Quote# 118236

The Holy Bible teaches us to avoid churches and pastors who stray from the teachings of the Word of God. Although I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist, most Baptist churches today have been duped by the modern counterfeit Bible versions (which means they are no longer “fundamental,” unless you mean too much “fun” and not enough “da-mental”). Atheist and theoretical physicist, Stephen Hawking, correctly states: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” Today's apostate pastors have the illusion of knowledge in the new Bible versions, but in reality they have been woefully deceived by the Devil. All of the modern Bible versions, which originate from the corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts, maliciously attack the deity of Jesus Christ, remove the Godhead, diminish the preeminence of Jesus, and wrongly redefine what it means to “repent” to be saved. Have you been deceived?

“Without education, we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously.”
?G.K. Chesterton, Author

Notice that these bad pastors do not really serve Jesus Christ; but rather, “THEIR OWN BELLY”! That is, it is just a career to them, a way to pay the bills. No pastor who approaches his duty as “a job” should ever be ordained nor allowed behind any pulpit. The pastor ought to be a man of God, who actually walks with God. That's why I love listening to Dr. Jack Hyles' preaching, because you feel like you've been with a man who's been with God when you hear him. I am always encouraged, lifted up and edified after hearing Dr. Hyles preach. Sometimes I get my face ripped off, and the shoe fits just fine (ouch!), but we all need that kind of scathing, blistering, loving, hard-preaching to keep us in line. Granted, nothing can substitute for the Word of God, which Dr. Hyles readily admits himself.

People who continually listen to music, text others, watch television, gab on their cellphone and surf the internet, without ever listening to any Bible-preaching are carnally-minded. What a foolish way to waste one's life! Hardly any of my web visitors take advantage of the great preaching videos that I promote. How tragic and sad! You can listen to the same music hundreds of times and never glean the least wisdom from it, but every sermon you hear increases your level of wisdom!!! Oh, how we all need wisdom.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 20 Comments [4/17/2016 4:31:43 AM]
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Quote# 118235

YES THE WHOLE WORLD HAS BEEN FOOLED...JESUS=LUCIFER=ANTI CHRIST=ABADDON=APPOLOYON=666 DRAGON.

THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS THE ORION CONSTALLATION WHICH BELONGS TO LUCIFER/APOLLOYON/OSIRUS/SHIVA. THE GREAT DRAGON THAT THE CHINESE AND ACIENTS WORSHIP. DOG IS GOD BACKWARDS FOR A REASON. THE ENGLISH ALPHABET IS CODED IN A NUMERICAL LANGUAGE EX: A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4. 911 IS THE REVELATION BEAST DRAGON. 911 IS USED EVERYWHERE ON THIS PLANET BECAUSE THIS PLANET BELONGS TO SATAN/THE DRAGON. HE OWNS THE POLICE/GOVERNMENT. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CALL THE POLICE DOG A "K9"?? K=11 SO THERE YOU GO AGAIN 911 "G" ERMAN "S" HEPHERD. H "EL"P. EL THE PHONECIAN CAANNINITE GOD IS THE GOD OF THE JEWS, CHRISTIANS, AND MUSLIMS. LORD = BAAL = STORM GOD = FALSE DIETY.

Jeremiah 23:27 They think the dreams they tell one another will make my people forget my name, just as their ancestors forgot my name through Baal worship.

SATAN HAS TAKEN THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE MOST HIGH AND REPLACED IT WITH TRANSLITERATIONS OF HIMSELF. YES CHRISTIANS WORSHIP SATAN. JESUS NEVER EXISTED. THE CRUCIFIXION IS A HUMAN BLOOD SACRIFICE TO RELEASE THE REVELATION 9:11 BEAST OUT OF THE PIT. WHY DO YOU THINK ALL THE ESCALATION IS HAPPENING IN TURKEY NOW. THINK ABOUT IT THE LETTER "T" WAS CREATED TO SYMBOLIZE A CRUCIFIX. THE WORD TURKEY SPELLS OUT "T" "U" "R" "KEY". "T" "YOU" "ARE" "KEY". THE KING OF THE ILLUMINATI IS "JESUS" AKA LUCIFER. YES IT IS TRUE. SATAN DECIEVITH THE WHOLE EARTH AND YES CHRISTIANITY WAS CREATED BY HIM. NIMROD THE KING OF BABYLON. WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS AN OBLIESK DOWNTOWN IN WASHINGTON DC. ITS THE WORSHIP OF OSIRUS/BAAL/NIMROD. SATAN HAS REINCARNATED UNDER MANY DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES AND YES HE CREATED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. HIS ORIGINAL NAME IS "ENKI". WHICH IS NIKE, WHICH IS THE PLANET SATURN. "EN" "G" "L"=EL" "I"=EYE" "S"=ES=SERPENT" "H"=8=THE 8 POINTED STAR OF BABYLON.= ENGLISH= THE LANGUAGE OF THE SERPENT.

SO ALL YOU CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET RAPTURED TO THE PLANET SATURN. LOOK AT THE EYE ON SATURN. AND LOOK AT THE HEXAGON ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. AND THE RAPPER DRAKE FLASHES THE KING OF THE ILLUMANITI SYMBOLISM EVERYWHERE...RUNNING THROUGH THE 6... 6 GOD..COME ON PEOPLE THE HEXAGRAM IS A SATANIC SYMBOL REPRESENTING SATAN HIMSELF. THE FALSE PEACE.

IAMLUCIFERJESUS, Godlike Productions 18 Comments [4/17/2016 4:31:20 AM]
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Quote# 118233

"I don't consider healthcare workers providing abortions to be criminals"

I don't care what you "consider," Elie, I care what is true. If you can watch an abortion video and delude yourself into thinking that same is not a crime against humanity, so be it. There were plenty of people who lived long healthy lives and went to their graves certain that the Nazis were in the right too - even after it was proven otherwise, by rational folks.

"I don't consider them any more immoral than any other medical professional or volunteer."

Again, if you cannot tell the difference between those who destroy life and those who protect life, it is not my problem. Quit projecting your moral depravity on those of us who know right from wrong, especially by your libelous claims that I was threatening "blackmail and violence" for Heaven's sake. That's pretty sick and hypocritical of you to stand shoulder to shoulder with those who destroy life and claim that those who try to protect life are the violent ones. I'm sure there were plenty of Nazis in Nuremberg who thought they were being mis-treated too.

"I am not the one promising to memorize their identity so that I can identify them in a forthcoming governmental crackdown"

Excellent! You just implicated both the Resistance and those who prosecuted at Nuremberg as "immoral." You are the gift that keeps on giving, Elie! Please keep posting - many are becoming pro-life in reading your thread. :-)

And take a good long look in the mirror: you have been proven to confuse justice seekers with mass killers.

"forced conversion"

Strawman. No one is forcing them to read the Bible in their cells. This just shows how disingenuous you are. I am so disappointed, Elie - you are slipping in your old age. :-)

WorldGoneCrazy, Live Action News 21 Comments [4/17/2016 4:30:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta McFucken

Quote# 118232

Actually, we generally CAN discount natural processes as a possibility, enki. As I've already pointed out, the terms are generally used when all the natural processes have been exhausted or non-functioning - be those the body's own mechanisms or medical science's best provisions. To say that there is somehow a further reserve of natural processes beyond these is to suggest that there is another dimension (for want of a better term) of natural-ity that science isn't able to probe. Could this be the very thng that we're dealing with in this debate - the spiritual element to the natural world?
I accept that miracles don't necessarily follow prayer - but then, questions need to be asked about the motivation of that prayer (was it honest, was it really putting the best for person concerned first - or was it simply selfish on the pasrt of the persdon praying, etc. etc.). Similarly, as with ordinary human situations, NO is a perfectly legitimate answer to requests - they don't all have to be answered in the affirmative, if a 'No' is actually better for the asker. (The famous 'want' v 'need' dilemma).

Incidentally, since so few miraculous healings are reported, not least because of our confidentiality rules, how do you know how many (or few) take place? I woulodn't be able to tell you how many such events have occurred in the UK over the past - say 5 years, simply because they aren't reported by the medical or secular press; however, I can say that I have known upwards of a dozen people who have been healed - in direct contravention (to coin a phrase) of highly authoritative medical opinion - as a result of prayer over the last 2 or 3 years alone.

Again, this is something that has to be experienced, either personally (or at least within a family or close community), before it can be appreciated.

In finishing, I'd fully agree that we need "... to look at the natural world. At least we know that that world exists." It just seems to me that some people understand the term 'the natural world' in different ways to others

Hope, Religion and Ethics 9 Comments [4/17/2016 4:30:29 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 118231

The "entertainers" are a society of perversion, drug, alcohol, and absolutel lack of moral and human values is expected. If they want to support perversion, that is their right. However, while they demand "equal rights" for this type of society, they are demonstrating their intolerance and non acceptance of those with moral values and love of country. How can they, as "all accepting, loving and tolerant" of one group be so intolerant of the majority of the people who refuse to accept lifestyles that they do not agree with. I can understand that, liberals want to accept anything that they believe in and the lifestyle they want, as long as thye are the same as theirs, but don't have an different life value, then you are all kinds of names and phobias. Stay in your perverse world, I'll live in mine, do as you want but don't protest me because I refuse to become as you! After all is that not freedom?

Morriss Moore, Newsweek 17 Comments [4/17/2016 4:11:37 AM]
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Quote# 118230

Your definitions of "species" are completely arbitrary.

And moreover, they don't work either. I.e., darwinists claim that different species can't interbreed, even though species that aren't "supposed" to be able to interbreed can do so, and even though darwinists also paradoxically, at the same time, INSANELY, make an antithetical claim that debunks their very own other claim, that different species can interbreed!

To wit,

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-skull-could-be-from-human-group-that-interbred-with-neandertals/

New Skull Could Be from Human Group that Interbred with Neandertals

What?! So your definition of species is based on the fact that they can't interbreed with one another, except for when they can?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!? truthy, can I get an AMEN (or at least a HEEHARHAWWWW or something???) for how LUDICROUS darwinists' insane & non-functional definition" of species is?!?!??!?!?!?!

darwinists call something a "different species" or not based on subjective opinion-based judgements.

What you call "speciation" is, in actuality, merely variation within a single kind of life. It is not, as your evolution story requires, evidence of lower forms of life transforming into new, higher forms of life.

Now, let's pretend for a moment that I didn't have any of the evidence which I just used to destroy your "specieation" argument (that evidence, by the way, is just one drop in the bucket)...

Even if darwinists did legitimately observe some "specieation"...that would still be grossly insufficient to prove their outlandish claims. darwinists claim that bacteria "descended" into all forms of life. So unless/until they observe every single one of those alleged transformations of "specieation," then their extraordinary claim of "common descent of all life forms from bacteria" will remain the unproven faith-based belief that it has always been.

Navaros, IMDB 26 Comments [4/17/2016 4:03:06 AM]
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Quote# 118228

[Comment on "[Discussion] Is assassination/violence "outside" of the market?"]

I like the idea a lot but I think there is not enough enthusiasm for it to be applicable.

I believe a "Lottery of death" in a cryptocurrency like Zcash is an easy way to start an Assassination Market where people interested in killing some public figure buy lots of early tickets raising the jackpot then the killer buys one ticket when the initial loading has settled so he can collect the rewards.

But still, not easy to gather hundreds of thousands for each killing.

Anarkhon, Reddit - r/Anarcho_Capitalism 7 Comments [4/17/2016 3:43:08 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 118227

Creationists are getting more scientifical . . .

A twist on circular reasoning

Any student of formal logic soon learns about the fallacy of circular reasoning. If one starts by assuming a fact of nature, one cannot try to prove that fact later. Any scientist knows this. For that reason, scientists always start with fundamental properties of nature that none can explain. Geometers start by assuming certain relationships (like the constant ratio of the circumference to the diameter of all circles) they cannot prove, but still know. Some things deserve to have someone assume them. Hence their name:axioms, from the Greek word axios meaning something deserving or deserved.
In circular reasoning, someone tries to prove an axiom. Formal logic does not work that way. And origins scientists often fall into a twist on this trap: “Your theory does not work under my theory (or the theory everyone accepts). So your theory must not hold.” Glen Kuban falls into this trap.
Observe how Glen Kuban takes issue with Walt Brown’s starting point: a subcrustal ocean, some fifty miles underground, and sealed for about 1600 years (at least) until the crust breaks and lets it out.
This precludes any significant earthquakes, meteorite impacts, or fissures in the crust anywhere on entire earth, even though such phenomena are well evidenced throughout the geologic record.
The trap: Kuban assumes age for the earth, and gradual, sequential settling of layer on layer of rock and soil. But suppose one event laid down all those layers in one year? And suppose the meteoroids that fell back as meteors (and meteorites) came from that same event?
The Hydroplate Theory also tells us that every earthquake in the historical record is an aftershock of the earthquakes that attended the breakout of the subcrustal ocean. Of course no earthquakes occurred before the Global Flood. The Flood event provoked the first such earthquakes! These made the Japan Earthquake feel like somebody dropping a bowling ball in the lane next to you. They easily reached Richter magnitudes of ten to twelve. That made them more than powerful enough, by the way, to produce the radioactive materials Glen Kuban’s sources rely on to “date” the earth.

Creation Week

Kuban does give a nod to Brown’s theory of the Creation Week itself. Here Brown scrupulously follows the Bible. Specifically he follows Genesis chapter 1 and 2 Peter 3:5. (He follows the original Greek verse. That verse speaks of the earth “standing together out of the water.”) Kuban thinks he found a weakness in Brown’s theory: whether the earth’s crust, if hot enough to deform, could have cooled off rapidly enough to avoid killing the life God placed on the earth later. The way Kuban expresses himself, makes one suspect he thought the life came before the buckling of the crust, the sealing of the waters under the earth, and the forming of the pillars. Of course, the Bible says different.
Walt Brown might seem to break one of his own rules, if only this once. “Brown’s Razor” says one must not invoke miracles to which the Bible does not specifically attest. But the Bible does attest to Creation Week and the events of it. The first matter formed in space, literally out of nothing. That alone qualifies as miracle enough. After that, life itself could only come by miraculous means. (Neither Glen Kuban nor anyone else has ever advanced a convincing model for abiogenesis or chemical evolution. Life does not come from non-life.) The exquisite sequence of the molding of the earth’s crust surely qualifies also.

How the Global Flood started

Glen Kuban seems to say Brown specifically said that God set the Flood off by direct Divine action. Brown never says that. He says the Flood was an accident waiting to happen after Man “fell” and turned his back on God. The Bible repeatedly says “all creation groans” under the effect of sin.
Furthermore, for all we do or can know, some person or company or corps of engineers set off a charge of high explosive (not nuclear or thermonuclear) in the wrong place, and opened a crack that compromised one of the pillars. Whoever did this, neither Adam nor Noah nor his sons ever recorded his name or the details of his act. The Flood did not begin with a miracle. But the Bible does attest to one: God gave Noah 120 years’ advance warning. He also gave Noah the design for a vessel that would withstand a rather violent launch and even more violent buffeting. (The favorable winds that blew the great life-ship into the “eddy cut off from the main flow” where it “rested” until the waters went down, likely came from the rise of the great mountain chains as the hydroplates settled to the floor of the old subcrustal chamber and literally wrinkled.)

A factitious heat problem

Glen Kuban talks at length about The Heat Problem. Brown himself calculates the energy release from the breakout at more than a trillion thermonuclear bombs. But when one releases a supercritical fluid from confinement, one relieves at once the “critical pressure” that kept it in that state. (Supercritical fluids consist of mutually miscible liquid and vapor.) The fluid expands, then cools. Rapidly. Refrigerators work that way.
Furthermore, much of that energy “cold-packed” itself as the earthquakes, acting on buried quartz, helped form the radioactive materials in the crust today. Everyone knows radioactive materials release lots of energy when they decay and especially when they split.
Last, and possibly most important: the energy that converts to the kinetic energy of the comets, asteroids, meteoroids, and trans-Neptunian objects (including Pluto), cannot remain as heat.


The starlight and time problem

Brown does try to make his work comprehensive. So sometimes he treats subjects that bear less on the Flood and more on how the earth can be young while the universe is so vast (13.7 billion light years in radium), yet we can see every object in it. Glen Kuban thinks he has done his job by pointing to the weaknesses in Brown’s specific sources on that point. But he never once considered another source (John Hartnett, Starlight, Time and the New Physics). Hartnett explains the seemingly inexplicable this way: when you stretch space, you stretch time. Hartnett can concede that 13.7 billion years’ worth of changes have taken place–at the edge of the universe. At the center of the universe, only seven thousand years need have passed. (And Glen Kuban fails to show, with his brief citations, that redshift is not quantized.)


Terry Hurlbut , creation science hall of fame 13 Comments [4/17/2016 3:42:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 118226

Ever seen an animal talking about the weather? Driving a car? Flying a plane?
Because animals do not do those things.

Big clue but no brains to conceive hence the stupidity of mans own nature.
He makes himself lesser because he can't cope with the fact a higher being made him and the man named all the animals.
Animals are animals and humans are humans. Only man could make himself out to be lower than an animal.


Sassy, Religion and Ethics 17 Comments [4/17/2016 3:40:29 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 118224

These Attacks Confirm God’s Word

The fact that people like Bill Nye and Richard Dawkins and atheist groups in the USA like the ACLU, the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the Freedom From Religion Foundation are so consumed with fighting against biblical Christianity, actually confirms the truth of God’s Word.

In Romans 1 we read that God has given man the ability to know that He exists, so that if anyone rejects the God of the Bible, they are without excuse: “What may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:19–20).

God’s Word also makes it clear that the reason even atheists use words like right and wrong and good and bad is because God has given man a conscience—God’s law written on our hearts: “For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law . . . show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness” (Romans 2:14–15).

In Genesis 3:5 we read that the temptation given to Adam and Eve was that they could “be like God.” Because we succumbed to this temptation in Adam (in Adam we sinned), we want to be our own god! Our fallen nature doesn’t want to submit to the God who created us and owns us; we want to make our own rules! Romans 1 also explains that because of man’s rebellious heart, fallen unregenerate man will “suppress the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18).

Really then, when Bill Nye, Richard Dawkins, and others so aggressively oppose biblical Christianity, what they are doing is this. They are covering their ears and closing their eyes and saying, “I refuse to submit to the God who created me. I refuse to acknowledge that God is the creator. I refuse to accept that I’m a sinner in need of salvation. I want to write my own rules! Therefore I must oppose anything that pricks my conscience and aggressively suppress the truth to justify my rebellion.”

I was once speaking with an atheist when he said to me, “If there is a God, then why doesn’t He come and show Himself to us?” I replied, “He did, and they nailed Him to a cross.” And of course I went on to talk about Jesus as the God-man, His death and Resurrection, and the gift of salvation that He offers.

In 2 Peter 3:5, we are told that those who scoff about God as creator, the historical Flood, and coming judgment by fire are “willingly ignorant.” This means it is a deliberate action on their part not to believe, because they don’t want to believe. They close their eyes and cover their ears, refusing to believe the truth and actively suppressing it.

So why do these who so aggressively oppose Christianity care? They care because they are desperately trying to justify their rebellion against the truth. They don’t want to admit that they are sinners in need of salvation and thus need to submit to the God who created them and owns them.

Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis 29 Comments [4/17/2016 3:38:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 118223

Too many women in the Church are walking in the very path of rebellion (which is witchcraft). There is never an excuse to be seductive in church. Be modest as the scriptures tell you to be.



Eden Decoded, Facebook 34 Comments [4/17/2016 3:38:45 AM]
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Quote# 118222

When people get dressed up to go to the nightclub or a bar, they're really dressing to offer themselves as a living sacrifice to demonic spirits that inhabit such places. We'll break that down in a moment.

In life you only get dressed up for religious/spiritual ceremonies.

Think about it: what do we typically get dressed up for? Usually it's for church or some other religious service, a wedding, or a funeral. Even when you get dressed for a job interview, you're really dressing up for the spirit of Mammon, trying to look your best in the hopes of being selected for the opportunity to serve Mammon for a paycheck. This applies equally for going out to the club.

Everything we do in life is done for religious or spiritual reasons

Which is why I laugh when people say they are not religious. Oh yes you are! You just haven't accepted it yet! Folks like myself know better, because we realize that in this world you can only serve one of two masters: God or Lucifer. You don't get to serve both, and you don't get to opt out of serving neither.

There's a very real spiritual danger in going to nightclubs and other such venues. One of the more obvious dangers is the type of dark demonic energy that resides there.

When you willingly go to a place or event where demons are known to hang out at, you are in essence partying with the devil.

And those devils won't just stay behind at the club after you leave. They are there for YOU!

Few can deny that there is a certain atmosphere you find in nightclubs and bars, that's not found anywhere else. And this is because the atmosphere is literally charged with demonic energy. Some of you are suffering problems in your life right now that can be directly attributed to your frequent attendance at night clubs, bars, wild parties and specific festivals that endorse and extremely ungodly atmosphere.

Here's a thought: Some demons can only get into you by being danced into you.

I know that might sound crazy, but I assure you it's not. Let's get into some specifics. In many African, Aboriginal, Native and Asian cultures, dancing served more than just an outlet for entertainment. Dance was ALWAYS associated with occult rituals and shamanism. These rituals were known as an evocation, invocation, or as a summoning.

When the spirits needed to be consulted for guidance by the village elders, meetings were called where the entire village came: from the youngest to the oldest.

Eventually the drums began to beat, and those appointed 'channelers' for the spirits to speak through would begin to 'feel' the rhythm of the music. These were known as conjurers.

As they danced, their wild dancing served as a conduit that would actually summon demons to enter them. And as the demons came into them, their dancing would increase and get wilder and more intense, as the conjurer would eventually become a different person: fully possessed by the spirits.

Have you ever been to a club where someone would inevitably get on the dance floor and act a straight up fool? That person would just seem to zone out and dance uncontrollably when a particular song would come on. Unbeknownst to you and me at the time: we were witnessing a ritual possession taking place right in front of our eyes. Maybe this has even happened to you before.

Now you also know why many singers and dancers will testify to becoming a different person when they are caught up in dancing and performing. They are literally conjuring spirits and becoming possessed during those performances. So be equally careful when listening to such artists and their music.

There's a reason why Christians don't belong in nightclubs.

Nightclubs are nothing more than places where people are gathered and collected to become food for devils.

Some of you may remember the opening scene from the first Blade movie, starring Wesley Snipes. It opened with a club scene, where those present thought they were there just to have a good night out. But instead they ended up becoming food for vampires. (Side note: In the movies, demons are always represented as vampires; hence their aversion to priests and Christian paraphernalia.)

Another movie I recently came across had this same theme of demons hiding in plain sight inside of nightclubs. (Satan is so bold with his works these days that he boldly tells the world about what he's doing through movies.) This movie titled "The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones" featured one such scene where the protagonist and a friend went into a nightclub. While there she witnessed one group of spiritual assassins that she mistook for regular clubbers killing a guy who turns out to have been a demon. No one else present is aware of this spiritual battle taking place right in front of them. (Turns out the ones who killed the demon are the offspring of angels who mated with humans: known in biblical times as the Nephelim. The Nephelim were the ungodly children that came from angels mating with human women, as recorded in Genesis 6. You can't make this stuff up.)

Nightclubs, bars, raves, and other such establishments are set up by people heavily involved in the occult to provide fresh bodies for demons to inhabit - that's their ONLY purpose. And yes, this also includes strip clubs.

You may have thought these establishments were there to entertain you, or provide you with a place to mingle and imbibe refreshing adult beverages. But their true purpose is to lure you there to make it easier for demons to get inside of you. And get inside of you they will.

This is why nothing good ever takes place at bars and clubs. Have you noticed that? There are always fights, shootings, stabbings, robberies and murders that take place either in or right outside of them. People end up hooking up with unsavory people, typically for sex. Therre's a lot of intoxication and drug use associated with bars and clubs. And it's always dark. Have you ever wondered why nightclubs and bars are ALWAYS dark inside? It's because the darkness provides an ideal atmosphere for dark spirits to hide and lurk in.

And the more popular the club, the more demons that are hiding in the music and in the shadows, lusting for their chance to jump into as many people as they can: including someone like you.

So do yourself a favour and stay away.

By the way: what do you think Carnival is? For those who don't know, Carnival is a huge event popular among Afro-Caribbean, Latino and native African people. It's also very popular in big cities like NYC, Philly, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, Baltimore, Houston, etc. Carnival is nothing less than a huge ritual demon conjuring party. What else would you expect when you have thousands of scantily-clad women in the streets filled with drunk-horny guys, simulating sexual acts with each other in an open orgy?

Carnival and its accompanying party known as the J'ouvert Festival is not about celebrating island culture: it's about using that as an excuse to engage in sexual orgies. Both of which are prime environments for demonic spirits to prey on the unsuspecting.

The same applies equally for Mardi Gras: which is the American version of Carnival and J'ouvert.

As born-again believers in Jesus Christ, we are told to stay away from such wicked places and demonic festivities.

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God warns us to stay away from these things because in His wisdom He knows what lurks in the shadows at these places and events. When you attend nightclubs or bars, or engage in Carnival and other such wild parties: you are serving and celebrating demons. And once you've opened yourself up to demonic activity, they will torment you and ultimately destroy everything good in your life. It's what demons do best.

It's time to repent. If you're serious about your walk with Jesus Christ, you need to act like it. No more dipping and dabbling with Satan's devices. It's time to show some sincere loyalty to the God you claim to love so much: or else you're nothing more than a fraud who likes fraternizing with demons. I know this won't go over well with those of you who enjoy the club life, partying and festivities. But you need to ask yourself: what does it say about you when you love the things of Satan more than the things of God?

Mack Major, Eden Decoded 24 Comments [4/17/2016 3:38:25 AM]
Fundie Index: 13

Quote# 118221

<Responding to the question: "Since trans men were born female, the law mandates them to use the women's restroom. Do you expect them to hold it until they get home?">

I think they should go to the ladies' room if they have had all of the surgeries. If they are cheating and do not want to cut off the penis and still have a penis, then they should go to the men's room.

Shar

FairSharFairShar, Realabortiondebate 16 Comments [4/17/2016 3:37:29 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 118218

I realize this sounds fantastic, hut sometimes when the glory of God manifests, gold, gold dust, and gems appear from nowhere. I know this is so, for I have seen it happen. While in Israel in May 2008, a gold nugget fell during one of our meetings, and a woman from our tour group handed it to me. My wife, Sue, frequently has gold dust form on her hands whenever she talks about Jesus. At Harvest Rock Church we have had numerous reports of church members instantaneously having their teeth filled with gold or covered by gold crowns. These supernatural occurrences have been verified by their dentists.

The sudden appearance of jewels and gems has happened in worship meetings around the world. A few years ago, my friend Bill Johnson, senior pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California, showed me pictures of gems that fell into the yard of a humble couple who lived in Idaho. Bill flew out to meet this elderly couple and to take pictures of these gems. They were perfect 50-carat gems made up of stones that a gemologist could not recognize. Then in July 2008 Rob DeLuca, an HIM pastor in New Zealand, showed me two small gems he carries in his wallet. One of the gems appeared in his church during worship time. The worship leader heard something rattling in his guitar, shook the instrument, and saw the gem fall out. Another gem was found when a church member fell to the ground in worship and saw the jewel on the floor next to him. Rob has had both of these gems assessed and was told they were precious stones unlike any currently found on earth.

Why are gems appearing? Why is gold dust appearing? I believe these occurrences are prophetic signs, indicating that God is bringing prosperity to His people for the purpose of transforming society.

Ché Ahn, When Heaven Comes Down: Experiencing God's Glory in Your Life (book) 14 Comments [4/17/2016 3:35:27 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 118217

Boko Haram is singling out geography teachers in its campaign of terror against Western education in Nigeria, it has been revealed.

Teachers of the subject have emerged as an unlikely top target for the group because their lessons contradict its bizarre worldview on how the Earth was created.

Boko Haram believes that the Earth is flat rather than spherical, and that rainfall is caused not by evaporation, but by God’s divine will.

As such, geography teachers are ranked alongside Nigerian security chiefs and senior politicians as prime candidates for assassination.

The threats to geographers are outlined in an extensive new report by Human Rights Watch, which lays bare the devastating impact wreaked by Boko Haram on Nigeria's school system.

It says that a total of 600 school staff have been murdered by Boko Haram since 2009, and that 19,000 have quit their jobs due to threats and attacks.

The report is timed to coincide with this Thursday's two year anniversary of Boko Haram's kidnapping of more than 200 schoolgirls from the town of Chibok in Borno state in north-east Nigeria. They remain as hostages to this day.

The report says that in Borno, which is Boko Haram's main stronghold, schooling in 22 out of 27 local government areas has been closed down, depriving hundreds of thousands of children of the right to learn.

“In its brutal crusade against Western-style education, Boko Haram is robbing an entire generation of children in northeast Nigeria of their education,” said Mausi Segun, Human Rights Watch’s Nigeria researcher.

The 86-page report, based on interviews with more than 200 teachers, students, parents and school officials, documents numerous attacks on schools by Boko Haram gunmen, some of which ended in abductions and some of which ended in massacres.

It notes: “Boko Haram insurgents have shown particular distaste for certain subjects like geography and science... Teachers of these subjects are targeted."

One such attack took place at the Mafoni Government Day Secondary School in Borno's regional capital, Maiduguri in September, 2012, when gunmen burst in and "set their sights" on the geography teacher, Malam Anjili Mala.

One witness, whose name was withheld, told Human Rights Watch: "I dived for protection, but the gunmen simply rained six bullets into the teacher and calmly walked away. No one else was touched."

The principles of geography and social science contradict of the eccentric teachings of Boko Haram's late founder, Mohammed Yusuf, who was killed by Nigerian police in 2009.

In an interview with the BBC in which he claimed that Western education was contrary to Islam's values, he said: "We believe that rain is a creation of God rather than an evaporation caused by the sun that condenses and becomes rain.”

He also said he rejected Darwinism and the idea that the “world was a sphere”, which he claimed ran “contrary to the teachings of Allah”.

Boko Haram Militants, The Telegraph 13 Comments [4/17/2016 3:34:54 AM]
Fundie Index: 15

Quote# 118216



…but we live in a world where Dukes of Hazard gets pulled from TV because there happens to be a painted confederate flag on top of a car and people waste their time getting mad over what some asshole billionaire says about Mexicans. This is utter insanity. #vaccines #sb277 #antivaxxers #socialengineering #criticalthinking #conspiracytheory #parentsrights #insanity

Mattatattat, Tumblr 38 Comments [4/16/2016 6:18:54 AM]
Fundie Index: 16
Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 118207

(Weird and inaccurate explanation for Beelzebufo's giant size)


Henry Johnson and Joe Taylor, Omniology.com 17 Comments [4/16/2016 5:56:39 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Arceus

Quote# 118206

"ORRORIN tugenensis"
THE LATEST "PATRON SAINT OF MAN"

THESE FOSSILS ARE THE MOST RECENT COLLECTION OF DISARTICULATED BONES AND TEETH, YET TO BE FOUND IN THE "FLOOD DEPOSITS" OF THE TUGEN HILLS OF KENYA IN 2000. THESE 13 PIECES OF BONE AND TEETH HAVE BEEN AUDACIOUSLY LABELED BY THE DISCOVERERS AS
"ORRORIN tugenensis (ORRORIN means "original man" in the local dialect)."

THIS METAPHYSICALLY MAKES "ORRORIN" THE "ADAM" OF
MACRO-EVOLUTIONARY ORTHODOXY!
AS IS TRUE WITHIN MANY RELIGIONS, WE SEE HERE DISSENSION AMONG THE DARWINIAN FAITHFUL. MANY TRUE BELIEVERS, HIGH PRIESTS & CARDINALS DO NOT ACCEPT THIS NEW DOCTRINAL REVELATION.

THE LAST DOCTRINAL PARAGRAPH IS THE MOST REVELATORY OF ALL.
IN IT A CARDINAL STATES THAT THE DISSENTING VIEWS IN THIS EDICT REFLECT THE FACT THAT THE "METAPHYSICAL WHOLLY SEE" LACK A CLEAR DEFINITION OF A HOMINID!

AS PARADOXICALLY CONDEMNATORY AS THIS LAST PARAGRAPH IS,
THERE IS STILL HOPE FOR THE DARWINIAN FAITHFUL.
THAT HOPE IS "ORRORIN'S JACKALOPIAN RESURRECTION."

THE "WHOLLY ORDER OF NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC," LED BY THEIR EGOISM, WILL SOON EXORCISE THE TRUTH FROM SCIENCE AND PERFORM THE DUBIOUS MIRACLE OF ORRORIN'S JACKALOPIAN RESURRECTION!

FROM A PALTRY PILE OF QUESTIONABLE BONES, THE SPIRIT OF IMAGOLUTION WILL FILL THE MINDS OF NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC IMAGINARIANS AND "ORRORIN - MILLENNIUM ANCESTOR" WILL APPEAR,
EX NIHILO, IN THE FLESH AND ON THE CANONIC PAGES OF
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE

IF THE READER DOUBTS THE VERACITY OF THIS PARODY, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND JUDGE THE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC PAGE,
"BEHIND THE SCENES - New Artists For Old Bones," FOR YOURSELF.

Click here for
National Geographic's JACKALOPIAN ARTISTS

Henry Johnson and Joe Taylor, Omniology.com 15 Comments [4/16/2016 5:56:19 AM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Arceus

Quote# 118202

The clown image of Google is an effective meme to hide the NSA's actual nature so I'm going to re-share a story told to Carol and I, personally, by the late Stephen J Smith, author of 'NSA: Citadel of Evil,' which has a link on EW's homepage.

We met him in Portland, Oregon, about six years ago after he contacted me in email. He was about my age (I was born in 49) which is an element in the story since what he related took place in the mid 1950s during his childhood. When he was six or seven, he was working as a psychic for the NSA, stealing technical secrets from the Russian and other government agencies. He told us that the NSA uses countless children this way, then before they reach puberty they're murdered in a typically terrifying and gruesome way. Apparently, this is an economy issue since the energy released by the events feeds the NSA, sort of like the way money does. In his case, he remembers being in a crematorium with several other small children and NSA personnel were throwing living kids into the crematory, one by one as the others watched and screamed. He was tossed in feet first and the door was closed. Then he found himself standing outside the building with badly burned feet. He never recovered the full use of his feet and when me met him he had a lot of difficulty walking.

I want you to have this image of terror in your mind every time you hear or see 'NSA' or 'Google.' The Babylonians and all of their clone cultures throughout the middle east (including the Phoenicians) conducted large scale sacrifice of small children, not unlike the way the Spanish found the Aztecs doing though in the case of the Babylonians there was a lot more terror from the victims, who were thrown in the presence of their parents into a furnace. The present day order is evidently patterned on the Babylonian culture. Even though freemasonry/theosophy's lower rituals are an imitation of the Jewish temple rituals their human sacrifice rituals are Babylonian, hence the owl (Moloch) idol at Bohemian Grove and the large owl's head 'garden' behind the US Capitol Building.

Stephen contacted me to request a modest monthly stipend so that he could develop a free energy engine as a way to extract some payback from the NSA by marketing the plans for free. He evidently had the plans in his head but had no money. He probably knew that giving away the plans without having a working model to show was pointless. I wasn't able to afford it but he did find an investor and apparently built a prototype engine, then he was immediately murdered.

Even if I could have afforded it I doubt I'd have helped him because the only other free energy inventor I knew, Wilhelm Muller had been murdered and I'm not inclined to help someone get killed. The stranger part is that he was apparently killed in a way that we could probably have prevented. He had described to Carol and I a method that the NSA use to kill people that is a high tech version of how people are killed with the use of voodoo dolls. In this case, the 'doll' is a living but confined victim who is psychically linked to the target, then methodically killed. The target then dies that way, too.

Soon after he explained that, Dooney was apparently attacked that way and if we didn't have that information to share with the others in teh weekly chat she might have died. She nearly did. She's quite robust these days, by the way. Stephen was quite suspicious of others, understandably.

The other time Stephen was rescued from a murder attempt was when he was in his late teens. NSA employees, after having failed to murder him through the use of psychotropic drugs and associated aggression, threw him from the roof of the high building they were torturing him in. The only injury he suffered was (if memory serves) a broken leg and they pretty much left him alone after that, though he was never able to get employment, in spite of his genius and considerable skills.

He was a close friend of Phil Schneider's and was with him in Schneider's Portland apartment the day before he was strangled in 1997. He told us that the death towers are, among many other things, amplifiers for gov't psychic predators. Blending high tech with ancient dirty magic is a sewer rat agency forte, in case you didn't know.

Don Croft, Etheric Warriors Forum 18 Comments [4/16/2016 5:54:53 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
Submitted By: TimeToTurn

Quote# 118198

The National Union of Students’ LGBT Campaign has passed a motion calling for the abolition of representatives for gay men – because they “don’t face oppression” in the LGBT community.

The NUS LGBT+ Campaign discussed the issue at its annual conference, which took place in Sheffield this week.

At the event, delegates passed a motion that blames “cis gay men” for “misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia”. It says: “Misogyny, transphobia, racism and biphobia are often present in LGBT+ societies. This is unfortunately more likely to occur when the society is dominated by white cis gay men.”

The motion continues to call on LGBT societies at universities – many of whom have dedicated reps for lesbians, trans people, bi people and gay men – to abolish the role for gay men.

It continues: “The reps system exists to ensure that societies committees can always have a reserved place for groups which disproportionately face oppression within the LGBT+ community. “Gay men do not face oppression as gay men within the LGBT+ community and do not need a reserved place on society committees.”

It goes on to “encourage LGBT+ Societies that have a gay men’s rep to drop the position”.

The motion was passed – despite other resolutions at the same conference highlighting that men who have sex with men are disproportionately at risk of HIV, and disproportionately at risk of violence.

National Union Of Students, Pink News 25 Comments [4/16/2016 5:53:56 AM]
Fundie Index: 29
Submitted By: Cyclonus

Quote# 118197

Never thought I'd see the day, in MY lifetime, that the Bible would be banned in schools and libraries across America. But, once again, predicted with absolute precision and accuracy by the very book in question! What a heartbreaking shame. You know you no longer live in a free society when mere words and entire books are banned. Particularly THIS one!
It is no coincidence that the Bible for generations has been regarded with reverence and respect. Bibles once permeated western society from courthouses, schools, and churches to prisons and hotel rooms. The number one book in distribution every single year since books have been in print, this book has stood the test of time and outlasted all of its critics. (Pretty clear that God has done His part in getting the Word out.) Intellectuals across every field throughout the ages were honoured to be considered Christians and held the Bible in highest regard. This monumental book taught generations of mankind law, morality and ethics, virtue and decency, how to love and how to forgive. Where are our children learning these things today?
The government? HOLLYWOOD!!?
Explains a lot, doesn't it.
Bizarro Amerika. Completely unrecognizable from her former glorious self. Where evil is declared good, and good evil. And any reminder of goodness and truth is summarily BANNED.
But thank God Almighty, it won't be long now... :)

The Last Trump, Christian News Network 26 Comments [4/16/2016 5:52:38 AM]
Fundie Index: 14
Submitted By: Jocasta McFucken

Quote# 118196

The virgin birth of Jesus Christ was documented by Luke, a physician and world-class historian who interviewed eyewitnesses, probably including Mary herself, for his detailed account of this world-changing event. In addition to the birth of Christ, he also gives special attention to the birth of John the Baptist and many see his gynecological interests to be a result of his training as a physician.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 25 Comments [4/16/2016 5:51:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 14
Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 118194

Gay sex is a mutual abuse. Consent means absolutely nothing except in a court of law, it doesn't change the fact gay is a mental disorder.

"you're actually talking about sodomy, or if you're talking about homosexuality. They are entirely different, and you know this."

You're ignorance is showing again, 99.9% of gay men engage in it repeatedly - or are you going to deny this?

"You can't stop people from having sexual relations"

I don't have to accept it, you can't stop people from murdering each other and I don't have to accept that either. Gay male promiscuity leaves heteros in the dust - because of their sexual addiction, it's consumes them just like drugs consume the drug addict.

"The Ellen stereotype is just downright offensive"

Ellen is offensive (but that's another topic) does she or does she not have butch hair and dress like a man? I have seen countless gay couples that have a female role and a male role, a vast majority of them in fact.


Oboehner, Christian News Network 24 Comments [4/16/2016 5:50:40 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Jocasta McFucken
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