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Quote# 135455

Paul is widely hated by the left, including the "Christian" left because of what he taught regarding sexuality and the role of women. If you defend the inspired character of Paul's writings, you will be called a "Paulist instead of a Christian" by the homosexual activists and feminists. They are obviously ignorant of Christian history. There is no such thing as a Paul-free Christianity. Accept the writings of Paul as part of the divine canon of Scripture, or go start a different religion, because there is no Christianity without Paul.

Denny, Patheos 17 Comments [12/23/2017 1:33:17 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 135454

(In response to a reminder about Mormon and Catholic sexual abuse scandals)

Men of God sometimes have to get their hands dirty to show children that evil is real.

SeaDragon666, Deviantart 13 Comments [12/23/2017 1:33:08 PM]
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Submitted By: Smithnikov

Quote# 135452

The reason why many people and families stop coming to church is because they feel unwanted. I attended a local Baptist church one time on Guam, back in 2009. My life was in shambles, devastated after a divorce I didn't want in 2006. My life is still in shambles, and I am often lonely. I am looking for a wife, and praying, and in the Lord's time I hope to remarry. I remember sitting in back of the church and often crying during the congregational singing and special music, with a broken heart. I have always been a quiet person, keeping to myself, which is my personality (which is why it is hard for me to find a wife). No one reached out to me. The church uses the modern Bibles. They have since officially removed the name “Baptist” from their church. But when I was visiting faithfully for two months in 2009, no one befriended me. I remember the senior pastor saying one day from the pulpit, “Some of you are like big teenagers, you expect us to come up to you and befriend you, but you need to open up and talk to us.” I couldn't believe that he said that. It was a short time afterwards that I left and never went back, not because I was disgruntled, but because I simply didn't feel like anyone cared, that no one loved me there, and I felt like a misfit. I was hurting and at the bottom of life.

You know, that senior pastor is a graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary. He also has a degree in psychology, go figure. And yet he, and I say this kindly, was so shallow that he couldn't even reach out to someone with a broken heart who was a loner. I am indeed like a big teenager, and I admit it, and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why I often wear my cap backwards (or maybe my head is on backwards...lol). I still feel like I'm 15 years old in my heart, and I like that. Brother Hyles teaches in his books that we ought to be a child, adolescent, adult.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 17 Comments [12/23/2017 1:32:43 PM]
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Quote# 135451

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Alabama investigates voter fraud after out-of-state man says he voted for Doug Jones"

Amilou:
I live in Alabama, I did not vote for Roy Moore during the primaries, I did not like Doug Jones we were between a rock and a hard place we really had no choice.

Lady Checkmate:
You didn't vote for Roy Moore based on lies from the alt-left? Even after one of them admitted she lied and falsified "evidence"? smh.
Prayers.

Amilou:
No I did not believe the lies it wasn't that I just don't think Roy Moore needs to be a US senator.Kay Ivey made a mistake she should not have had a special election she should have just went ahead and appointed someone to fill out the remainder of sessions time.

Lady Checkmate:
So you would have an ungodly person lead you rather than a godly man of wisdom. Rhetorical. Disappointed, but not surprised. The alt-left depends on wishy-washy religious people who claim Christianity, conservatism and patriotism, but do not know God nor His word and will go(vote) anyway the wind blows at the drop of a hat - actually vote against righteousness, what's best for America (SMH) and bow/submit to unrighteousness. In fact, that's the group the alt-left looks to for support more than any others. If we could get rid of RINOs, religious hypocrites, etc., we could accomplish a lot more (faster) in the world's system.
My hope remains in God and we hasten His return.
Merry Christmas and enjoy your day!

(irrelevant scripture removed)
(Amilou is now banned)

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 12 Comments [12/23/2017 1:32:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 135450

Lady Checkmate's headline: "POTUS Supports Religious Liberty: Trump Keeping Promise to Bring Back 'Merry Christmas'"

(Fox News link: http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/21/tony-perkins-president-trump-keeping-promise-bring-back-merry-christmas

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate:
Merry Christmas!
I pray for the potus and his family in Jesus name.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 8 Comments [12/23/2017 1:32:35 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 135448

(Comments on an article about feminists "triggered" by Jimmy Choo shoes catcalling ad)

(Epynymcles)
I'm guessing the people complaining are the usual husky types?

(Damn Skippy)
As a former 20-30 something...flirty catcalls are natures way of telling you are still hot. What is the harm? People need to LIGHTEN UP!

The ONLY people bothered by this are the feminists who are creepy control fascists. They tolerate NOTHING outside their thinking.
Women can be and do it all or what they want. Like you said Joe, each is unique in their own way!
This ad is fun and flirty.

(gomurr)
Personally, I never found catcalls to be offensive unless they came with a guy following you down the street, muttering dirty things under his breath. I think women have gone too far in the other direction in their quest for "equality" and women's rights. While they're busy destroying any of the intriguing differences between men and women, as well as the mystery of sex being reduced to hook ups, it's seems most of them still don't feel "empowered" enough to tell a man to FO when he's being inappropriate, or simply remove yourself from the situation. Yup, this is now about the male sex as the enemy and the domination of women. Until you can actually stand up for yourselves in an unpleasant situation, ladies, and until you can lose the "victim" status, don't plan on ruling the world. I feel really bad for the young people today. Some of them are seriously screwed up.

(PigressivesSuck)
I can see why the typical ugly as sin fat libtard cow is triggered by an ad like this...LMAO!

(kyrifles)
I can see the next big trend in fashion shoots already - models in burkas. That way, Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary Clinton can both be "it" girls.

(Momster)
They are already “it-girls.” You take one look and ask WTF is it?!?!

(jimhurt)
As a man who works with "normal" women everyday, they have no problem with compliments. I've seen guys get creepy and these women shut them down NOW. This is just a few women with an inferiority complex big enough to drive a semi through. If they didn't get media attention, you would never hear from them again.

(Sola Fide)
From this older woman's perspective, it looks like today's feminists are not seeking equality, they are seeking domination. Frightening.

(Sequitur)
Always been that way, lady. Arrested development types still in the "penis envy" stage as explained by Freud. Serious Daddy issues.

(Sola Fide)
Freud was a fraud and his "penis envy" was a fairytale created to possibly make himself feel better. Nevertheless, it is obvious today's feminists are without question anti-male.

(Sequitur)
Many Freudian theories/constructs are attempts to explain behaviors which are otherwise unexplainable, and they are just theories which have been discussed, debated, refined over a century. But I wouldn't call him a "fraud."

If for nothing else, we still have not answered his lament that, after a lifetime studying the female psyche, he still could not answer the simple question "What does a woman want?"

Seriously, could anything be more au courant? What, exactly, does a woman want? Jimmy Choo shoes in the Oval Office? Showing a lot of leg in the boardroom? "GI Jane" fantasies? Nice guys? Bad boys? What?

Standing by for incoming . . .

(Sola Fide)
While most women would be horrified to admit it to a man, among ourselves and with deep honesty, many of us want security for ourselves and our children.

(anthilltiger)
the Big question to be answered and studied is "What Does A Man Want" I don't think women have an answer for that one ? I am sure they think they know same with men concerning women....life goes on to sweat the petty things.... Men and women a different DNA and that is special.. No Human can change that law. Not even todays mental-Trans illogical agenda can change it. Its permanent done!

various commenters, Breitbart 4 Comments [12/23/2017 1:32:02 PM]
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Quote# 135444



Twas the night before Christmas, and in the White House
Trump’s words were stirring; Obama felt like a mouse.

A populist president with a broom that swept clean,
Trump accomplished much in 2017.

Yet out past the lawn there arose such a clatter,
Pussy Hatters were yelling along with Black Lives Matter.

The Deep State pushed back—the Swamp became bitter,
They always get triggered when Trump is on Twitter.

Fake News Media compared Trump with Nixon,
“Impeach him!” said Maddow, Mika and Wolf Blitzen.

Rich kneelers were kneeling and sitting on hands,
Stadiums were emptied, they angered their fans.

Rocket Man’s missiles were threatening Seoul,
Kim Jong-Un’s stocking was soon stuffed with coal.

Respect, fame and fortune many women were hoping,
Instead they were molested–the gropers were groping!

Crooked Hillary lied about Trump’s Russian collusion,
The evidence showed it was just an illusion.

The Ass Clowns were angry and showing no poise,
They were loud and obnoxious–empty barrels of noise.

Trump’s eyes twinkled with MAGA delight. He yelled,
“MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT!”

–Merry Christmas from Ben and Tina Garrison

Ben Garrison, Grrr Graphics 8 Comments [12/23/2017 1:31:11 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 135441

(If you needed further convincing that non-white supporters of Trump are crazy, here's an interview with rather well-known japanese right-wing youtube personality, Yoko Mada, known as randomyoko2 on youtube.)

With the notable exception of author and former television announcer Yoshiko Sakurai, the right-leaning camp in Japan has long been a man’s domain. Not anymore. Yuriko Koike is governor of Tokyo, Tomomi Inada is minister of defense, and Mio Sugita is a rising star in parliamentary politics from Kobe. These women are leading the conservative charge inside the political world.



On the internet, though, no conservative is busier, more popular—or funnier—than Yoko Mada, known to her legions of fans as “Random Yoko.”



Mada was born in Fukuoka, Japan, in 1985. A graduate of Kansai Gaidai University in Osaka majoring in English, Mada began posting videos to YouTube in 2006. In 2011, she won the first YouTube NextUp award. Her YouTube channel on politics and history, randomyoko2, has more than 50,000 subscribers and has been viewed more than 6.5 million times. She has appeared in numerous print, online, and television outlets, and has published a book on the subject of patriotism: Shin Aikokuron.


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Q: That is truly impressive. You are increasingly becoming a respected pundit on historical and political issues. Were you interested in those things from a young age?

A: No again! I was basically non-political in college. I was actually anti-Japanese, to tell you the truth. I wanted to cast off my Japanese identity and become American in fashion, speech, mannerisms, everything. I wanted to be able to choose my own country, regardless of where I was born and raised. I like Americans. They’re down to earth, they give you their opinions directly. Even American women have strong views and just come right out and tell you what they think. I liked American independence of thought and expression.

As a typical product of the Japanese education system, I was indoctrinated to dislike Japan. I took in the anti-Japanese propaganda from the schools and the media, and I believed it.

Q: In your book, you appear on the cover in a kimono. You obviously changed your mind about Japan somewhere along the way! When did that happen?

A: It was in 2012. It happened almost overnight. I saw on the news that Chinese people were rioting in the PRC over the Senkaku Islands. I couldn’t understand why. Their actions were only harming their own country—it seemed counterproductive. It was clearly a ginned-up controversy orchestrated by the Chinese government. Anybody could see that. I asked my father what was going on, and he told me. I was amazed.



My father is a very conservative man. He has a whole library of books on history and politics. I always made fun of him for that, and thought he should just get rid of all the books that he had read and that were just collecting dust. But after the Chinese riots, I wanted to know the history that had led to that point, so I went into my father’s library and read everything in it on politics and history. Everything. I chose a different topic each day and plowed through volume after volume.

Q: Just like when you learned English grammar in one week.

A: Yes. I used to think that politics and history were beyond my understanding—too complicated, too involved. But as I read I began to see things very clearly. Shoichi Watanabe-sensei’s books in particular were invaluable. It all made sense. As Japanese, we have all been lied to. I felt betrayed, by the media, by the education system. I was a teacher’s pet in school and I used to love NHK. Looking back, I can see that I just blindly accepted ideology as fact. Almost everyone in Japan did, and does, the same thing. Until recently.

Q: One of your most powerful videos is called “Aikokushin,” “patriotism.” When did you make that?

A: It was late in 2012, I believe. After the turmoil of realizing that so much of what I thought I knew had been false, I had to get off my chest the way I really felt. That video got picked up by other outlets and really seems to have caught on.

Q: Your political views changed. What about you, personally?

A: I haven’t changed as a person, although I’ve come to see the world in a completely different way. Also, by discovering the truth about the past, about Japan, I was able to embrace being Japanese for the first time in my life. I no longer wanted to become an American. I was suddenly proud—and grateful—to be Japanese.



It was from that point that I wanted to work with the US, with patriotic Americans, to fight back against the left-wing brainwashing we all receive through the schools and media in both countries.

Q: You are a big supporter of Donald Trump. When did you start following him?

A: It was actually soon after he announced his candidacy, around September of 2015. When he began to speak of the US-Japan alliance in the summer of that year, I realized that Trump and his supporters in the US were Japanese conservatives’ natural allies. I knew that Trump was serious, even though he was dismissed by nearly everyone in the political establishment. Trump was going to fight them, fight the globalists and the politically-correct powerful elite. We were fighting the same fight in Japan. Making America great again in the way Trump was talking about would help Japan become great again, too.

Q: You seem to have come full circle since your school-age years.

A: I loved the US when I was younger, but not in the right way. The globalists always tell us—and I thought this way, too—that we can become better friends with people in other countries by throwing away our own national identities. I hated being Japanese. I hated being Asian. I hated being a woman, even. I was a tomboy and thought that I could get to know boys better by being more like them. That is just one silly example, but it shows how much socialism, communism, cultural Marxism, Wilsonianism, anti-traditionalism have come to dominate both Japan and the US.

Q: Your eyes have really been opened, it seems.

A: Yes. What happened was that I became an adult. I learned to know and love and tell the truth. I accepted who I am. I stopped being a feminist and became a woman. It was as simple as that. I used to suffer from depression. I was always trying to stamp out who I am inside. Now I am me, and I am happy.



I want to be a role model to everyone else in Japan. Our ancestors were very sophisticated. They knew how to survive in the world by learning other languages, learning about other cultures and ideas, without throwing away their own Japanese heart and soul. One can speak English without becoming American. One can support the US-Japan alliance as a Japanese. We need to be equals with other countries. We cannot always be masochistic about who we are.



I see myself pushing the WAKE UP button inside of Japan. There is nothing more convincing than truth.

Yoko Mada AKA randomyoko2, Japan-Forward 0 Comments [12/23/2017 1:30:42 PM]
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Quote# 135438

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Alabama investigates voter fraud after out-of-state man says he voted for Doug Jones"

HUNTSVILLE, Alabama, December 21, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Alabama's Secretary of State has launched an investigation into voter fraud after a TV interview surfaced in which an out-of-state man admits voting in the state's special election last week that resulted in a narrow Democrat win. Republican Roy Moore is still fundraising and has yet to concede defeat.

(link: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alabama-investigates-voter-fraud-after-out-of-state-democrat-supporter-says)

I KNEW IT! I have nothing else on this now...still praying. God is FOREVER faithful!!!

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 17 Comments [12/23/2017 2:30:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 135437

God’s Family is laid out in the Parable of the Wheat and the Darnel (Tares).

The wheat are those of God.

The darnel (tares) were planted by the evil one.

The children of God will be saved.

The children of the the evil one do not matter and are only good for the fire.

Making God out as a serial killer is judging God based on wanting God to preserve or respect your identity. What you don't understand is that God only wants to see His Family. Those of God have been killed already as The Bible says their heads were cut off for the witness’ sake. The head of the new man in Christ is not the old man any longer. The difference is the children of the evil one will have to die and pay for their sins. They will have to owe God for their will for all of eternity.

In a sense everyone will die as the two thieves represent the entire world. The difference is one thief died and was brought back as a Son of God before both died physically.

God is real and the horror that is to befall those that God did not save is beyond frightening…

Praise I AM,
Michael Idarecis

Michael Idarecis, Have been writing about The Bible for over 9 years., Quora 5 Comments [12/23/2017 2:30:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 135436

Gud day sir my name is pter from niger state am a member of christ apostolic church. sir, i av sme question i would lik to ask am a bit confuse
-Is sunday a sun-worship cause in dictionary and through my research in bible sabbath day is saturday?
-There are some churches that wear ear rings and chains but preach about salvation but not often
-is it right for a prophet who cast out demon during interrogation how a demon enter someone and d demon kept silent and he said the demon is very stupid and all sort of insult
-is it right for a man of God n member to use palm top to preach in church service. I av a lot to ask and may God give me d grace

paul, The Bride Assembly Church's Blog 4 Comments [12/23/2017 2:30:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 135435

Thank God for you dir sarvant of God, Pastor Moses Alu, the original seeds will hear and understand, and come out of errors but the tares will see you as an enemy who came to spoil their busness, ofcuse not all pastors are called by God, many called themselves, and devil also calld many, how can they belive you? Keep on preaching the trueth, may the Lord continue to reveal mistrys to you in Jesus name Amen. Sir please do not be angry, their is something i want you to do, i want you to tell all the members of Bride Assemly to pray and ask God to reveal to us about wedding ring, many people in my church and some other churchies are testifying of how God gave them revelation the wedding ring is a sin, that is why we dont use it in my church, am not challanging you or aguing you becuse i have had your teaching about wedding ring, Thanks

Joshua Udeji, The Bride Assembly Church's Blog 3 Comments [12/23/2017 2:30:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 135433

Responding to Pro-Gay Theology

Major denominations ordaining homosexuals, priests and clergy presiding over same-sex weddings, sanctuaries invaded by boisterous gay activists, debates over homosexuality ripping congregations apart-who would have guessed we would ever reach such a point in church history?

A vigorous debate between Christians and homosexuals shouldn't be surprising in and of itself. If author and commentator Dr. Dennis Praeger is right when he says the Judeo-Christian ethic is responsible for the Western World's disapproval of homosexuality,[1] then conflicts between the Church and the gay rights movement are not only understandable, they are inevitable. (While acceptance of homosexuality in ancient cultures is well documented,[2] the past 2000 years of Western thought have, by and large, rejected it,[3] and the influence of both Old and New Testaments can be credited for that.)[4]

What is surprising, though, is the current trend in which these ethics are not only being challenged, but rewritten as well, most notably in the form of the pro-gay theology.

The pro-gay theology is much like the broader gay rights philosophy, in that it seeks legitimization (not just tolerance) of homosexuality. Gay spokesmen have made no secret of this as being their goal in secular culture; activist Jeff Levi put it plainly to the National Press Club during the 1987 Gay Rights March on Washington: "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right-as heterosexual Americans already have-to see government and society affirm our lives. Until our relationships are recognized in the law-in tax laws and government programs to affirm our relationships, then we will not have achieved equality in American society.[5]"

But pro-gay theology takes it a step further by redefining homosexuality as being God-ordained and morally permissible:

"I have learned to accept and even celebrate my sexual orientation as another of God's good gifts." -gay author Mel White[6]

When God is reputed to sanction what He has already clearly forbidden, then a religious travesty is being played out, and boldly. Confronting it is necessary because it (the pro-gay theology) asks us to confirm professing Christians in their sin, when we are Biblically commanded to do just the opposite. As Christ's ambassadors on earth, we unfaithfully represent Him if a professing believer's ongoing sin has no effect on our relationship with that believer...which is, in essence, what Paul told the Thessalonians:

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother. (2 Thes 3:6, 14- 15)

Likewise, when Paul heard of a Corinthian church member's incestuous relationship with his stepmother, he ordered the man be excommunicated (1 Cor 5:1-5), then explained the principle of confrontation and, if necessary, expulsion from the community of believers:

Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast. (1 Cor 5:6-7)

A healthy body purges itself of impurities; the Body of Christ cannot afford to do less. Error, like leaven, has a toxic effect.

The pro-gay theology is a strong delusion-a seductive accommodation tailor-made to suit the Christian who struggles against homosexual temptations and is considering a compromise. Some who call themselves gay Christians may be truly deceived into accepting it; others might be in simple rebellion. What compels them to believe a lie we cannot say. What we can say is that they are wrong...dead wrong.

But even as we say so, the caution of a proper spirit is in order. When we answer the pro-gay theology, we do so as sinners approaching other sinners, nothing more. Rev. Andrew Aquino of the Columbus Baptist Association expressed it perfectly during a recent interview:

My message to the homosexual is: We love you. Come and struggle with us against sin. Don't give in to it.

The Pro-Gay Theology in Brief

Exactly what do the "gay Christians" believe, and how did they come to believe it? The first question is more easily answered than the second. Explaining what a group believes is not hard. Explaining how they have come to believe it is another matter.

We cannot read minds or motives. That, I am sure, is one reason Jesus warned against judging (Mt 7:1). We can be certain the teachings themselves are false; why people have accepted them is something we cannot prove one way or another. Yet the Bible offers clues, and testimonies from members of the gay Christian movement are also enlightening, in helping to understand what the gay Christian movement believes, and what personal and spiritual factors may have influenced their beliefs.

The pro-gay theology is the cornerstone of the "gay Christian" movement (which is comprised of whole denominations, like the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, as well as gay caucuses within mainline denominations) just as the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds are the foundation of most Protestant's beliefs.[8] The movement is diverse; some of its spokespersons-Episcopal Priest Robert Williams and Bishop John Shelby Spong, for instance -promote flamboyant and blatantly heretical ideas. But most groups within the gay Christian movement ostensibly subscribe to traditional theology. (The Statement of Faith of the Metropolitan Community Churches, for example, is based on the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.)[9]

Although the pro-gay theology claims a conservative theological base, it includes additions and revisions to basic, traditional ethics. First, homosexuality is seen as being God ordained. As such, it's viewed as being on par with heterosexuality. Gay author Mel White points out, quite accurately, that "if you don't see that premise (that God created homosexuality) then gay marriage looks ridiculous, if not insane."[10]

But to be seen as created by God, the traditional understanding of homosexuality needs to be discredited. This is done four basic ways within the "gay Christian" movement. First, prejudice against homosexuals is blamed for the understanding most Christians have of the Biblical references to it. The founder of the Metropolitan Community Churches, Rev. Troy Perry, asserts this is his writings:

To condemn homosexuals, many denominations have intentionally misread and misinterpreted their Bibles to please their own personal preferences.[11]

So, according to Perry and others, not only are most Christians wrong about homosexuality, but many or most are intentionally wrong- deliberately reading their prejudice against gays into the Bible.

White goes even further, stating that major leaders in the Christian community-Jerry Falwell, James Kennedy and Pat Robertson-take public stands against the gay rights movement for the sake of raising funds and increasing their visibility.[12]

Casting doubt on the motives of conservative leaders, and numerous denominations, makes it easier to discount their Bible-based objections to homosexuality. No wonder this tactic is so common in the "gay Christian" movement. Others within the movement contend the scriptures we understand to condemn homosexuality have actually been mistranslated. According to this view, the Bible should be taken literally in its original language; the problem with most Christians, they say, is that they don't know Biblical Greek and Hebrew well enough to realize our modern translations on homosexuality are all wrong.

Another claim pro-gay theorists make is that the Bible verses (Lev 18:22 and 20:13; Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:9-10) which seem to prohibit homosexuality have actually been yanked out of context from their original meaning, or that they only applied to the culture existing at the time they were written. (Professor Robin Scroogs of Union Theological Seminary, for example, claims, "Biblical judgments about homosexuality are not relevant to today's debate."[13])

These arguments do not sit well with most serious Christians. The scriptures mentioned earlier are so clear and specific they defy interpretation of any sort. "Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman" requires no more interpretation than "Thou shalt not kill." It is intellectually dishonest to say conservatives "interpret" such verses out of prejudice against homosexuals. Those same "prejudiced" conservatives (Falwell, Kennedy, Robertson et al) also take scriptures against heterosexual sins quite literally. If they only prohibit homosexuality out of their own prejudice, why on earth do they, as heterosexuals, also condemn heterosexual sins? The argument makes no sense.

Neither does the "mistranslation" argument. We can allow some discrepancy in minor areas of translation, but, on something as important as sexual ethics, are we really to believe the Bible translators we rely on got it wrong five different times, in two different testaments? And only on the scriptures regarding homosexuality? (Pro-gay apologists seem to have no problem with the other scriptures condemning sins like adultery and child abuse.)

Equally poor is the "out-of-context" argument. The fact is, in Leviticus, Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, homosexuality is mentioned in the context of sexual and immoral behavior! The context is quite clear-a variety of behaviors are prohibited; homosexuality-along with adultery, fornication and idolatry-is one of them.

The "cultural" argument fares no better. In some cases, a scripture may seem culturally bound (injunctions against long hair on men, or women speaking to their husbands during church.) But again-five times? Five different scriptures, from both testaments, addressed to highly different cultures (from the Hebrew to the Roman) are obviously not culturally bound. The cultures they address are just too different.

All of which leaves conservatives highly skeptical of the "gay Christian" movement's claim to respect Biblical authority. It takes mental gymnastics to accept these inadequate arguments; those not having a stake in accepting them are unlikely to do so. But those having a personal interest the pro-gay theology are another matter. Twist the Scriptures hard enough and you can make them appear to say anything you please. Author Paul Morris raises this very issue when he warns:

But if I were a Christian homosexual, I think this one question would disturb me most: Am I trying to interpret Scripture in the light of my proclivity; or should I interpret my proclivity in the light of Scripture?[14]

An unfortunate pattern of doing the former can be seen in the "gay Christian" movement's testimonials. Rev. Troy Perry writes about having already decided homosexuality was acceptable, then searching the Bible to equip himself to answer conservatives.[15] Mel White alludes, in his book, to some earlier studies of the destruction of Sodom[16] but his turning point seems to have come not from a careful, prayerful study of scripture, but from a psychologist who encouraged him to accept his homosexuality and find a lover![17] And gospel musician Marsha Stevens (composer of the beloved song "For Those Tears I Died" and now openly lesbian) gives a lengthy account of her acceptance of homosexuality without once explaining how she reached the point of believing homosexuality was scripturally acceptable. (The closest she comes is in telling how she prayed one night for confirmation that lesbianism was okay; the next morning someone gave her a pin saying "Born Again Lesbian.")[18] Considering the background and theological training of the above-mentioned believers in pro-gay theology, their acceptance of it is astounding.

Or maybe it is not. Paul predicts an abandonment of truth for the sake of personal fulfillment:

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2 Tim 4:3-4)

Self over truth, man over God-can a Christian be so deceived? Evidently- Paul referred to the Galatian church as having been "bewitched" (Gal 3:1), and Jesus warned that a prominent sign of the days before His coming would be an increase in deception (Mt 24:14). To confront the pro-gay theology, then, is to confront a deceptive element of our time- the tendency to subjugate objective truth to subjective experience.

That is one reason confrontation is not enough to change a heart. Being knowledgeable enough to dismantle all the "gay Christian" movement's claims will not be enough to persuade a homosexual to repent. The heart, having been hardened through deception or rebellion or both, has to be softened. And that is the work of God alone. Ours is to simply speak the truth, trusting Him to quicken it to our hearers.

To that end, this three-part series will address the pro-gay theology by dividing its arguments-or tenants-into three categories: social justice arguments, general religious arguments, and scriptural arguments. A brief description of these arguments will be provided, followed by a response/rebuttal to each.

Joe Dallas, Exodus Global Alliance 6 Comments [12/23/2017 2:29:39 AM]
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Quote# 135432

America is neck deep in the blood of innocent unborn babies. One of the women seeking an abortion is 22 weeks pregnant. This means the baby will be injected with a salt saline solution thru the mothers lower belly into the uterus.

The baby will swallow the solution which will burn the lungs. The skin of the baby will be burned and blackened as it's peeled off. After the innocent baby has suffered a horrific slow death which takes approx 2+ hours the mother will go into labor and deliver a burned dead baby.

This ladies and gentlemen is what America has come to. We legally without even breaking a sweat not only murder these innocent babies but we also torture them in uttero as well.

God help us!

Debbie Kelly, Facebook 18 Comments [12/22/2017 3:56:37 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 135424

There is no homosexual gene. Let me repeat myself. There is no homosexual gene.

If there were, by simple mathematics, there would be no or very, very few gays remaining.

Think about it. Before the in vitro age, gays would only pass on their gay genes via heterosexual intercourse. So if they only desired their same sex, they wouldn’t have any progeny. So fewer and fewer “born that way” gays would be around. If gays were “born that way”, we would be seeing “gayness” less frequently, not more.

Being gay is a choice, even if it is a choice borne of abuse.

FamiliarFace, Free Republic 25 Comments [12/22/2017 3:55:00 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 135423

Good. LGBT activism should not be a part of Judicial politics. It will be good to see them no longer have the judicial power they have had. We may be to actually turn back the tide on these disgusting behaviors. At least we can not be forced to bow down and face punishment for not embracing their deviancy by calling it good.

Maelstorm, Free Republic 5 Comments [12/22/2017 3:54:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 135422

They are one and the same. Both are irrational, vile behaviors and irrational ideology which uses others as a means to an end and is a collective, group-(non)-think, ideology where Truth (God/reality) and reason never exist.

That homosexuals “love” the people whom they desire to sodomize is the Big Lie. It is lust and desire to dominate (control). It is a perverted, warped vile desire (intrinsically disordered) which is caused because of child abuse and child neglect. All behaviors/desires are learned and habituated and trauma in childhood can really warp a child. Children in muslim cultures are severely traumatized, as are sexually abused children and those whom have no loving father figure or an evil mother.

Chastity Bono was raped by a lesbian as a child, as was Milk, Hays, Spacey, Milo, etc. etc. -—all behaviors are learned and habituated in childhood or perverted and warped because of neglect and abuse. The parent who allows the abuse to happen, loses all trust and the anger in a child will make them reject reality, Truth (God), etc. They hate and ability to “love” is warped completely. It is easy to emasculate little boys.

Warping children can be as simple as making little boys hate their fathers which is common for socialist (welfare) “mothers”. That natural need to connect to a male role model for little boys is severely warped and will lead to warped relationship with all males, as it is for girls who have no loving male role model (father). Destroying the Natural family was crucial to the Cultural Marxists who took over our institutions by the 50s—to collapse culture and destroy the virtue in children—so they will be warped.

The fixation in the puerile stage of latency is pure narcissism which is what homosexuality is—a fixation so that true love (selflessness) will not likely occur (the love of “the Other”—true diversity).

Islam is irrational, also, and sodomy is fine in islam, esp. with children. It is a homosexual culture and harems of boys are not abnormal. For procreation, they never allow the irrational concept of “homosexual” “marriage” since males learn to hate women anyhow, and visa versa, which is what homosexuality is all about—immaturity—the inability to love the Other.

Homosexuals love the Same which is always a fixation in latency. All little girls should prefer to play with girls and boys with boys. It is part of normal sexual identity formation which will lead to maturity if no trauma occurs (sex “ed” or rape or lack of loving role models of male and female).

Sex Ed now teaches little boys that they are homosexual in latency if they prefer boys over girls which warps their sexual identity.....as does ALL hyper sexualization of children. Sex Ed was a Lukacs/Adorno creation to destroy the Christian worldview in little children and fixate them in the latency stage and make them totally irrational, dumb, and immature (fixated in latency).

Immaturity is rampant in our culture now, because of the publik skool system which traps children in dependency and group (non) think for 12 years so maturity can never happen (thinking for self). Just programmed “bots” are what the evil, unconstitutional system pumps out.

Savagesusie, Free Republic 5 Comments [12/22/2017 3:54:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 135421

Pain's Reward (12:6)

If it doesn't hurt, it doesn't work.

AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." (Hebrews 12:6)

We don't pretend that certain aspects of discipline don't hurt. In fact, the word 'scourge' is very strong and indicates that at times, chastisement needs to be very painful to accomplish its goals.

Do not hold back discipline from the child, although you beat him with the rod, he will not die. (Proverbs 23:13)

Although parents might feel that they are 'damaging' their child, chastisement brings about a greater good that could not otherwise be accomplished. The scriptures do not deny that the child will suffer if chastised, but only that it is temporary and he will not die. The scriptures do repeatedly acknowledge that the child will suffer without chastisement.

Some people avoid pain and conflict at all costs.These people will not be able to care for their children. The child must experience the pain associated with chastising to be properly trained. God has to train parents too!

Those who train for the marathon severely discipline their bodies. Their bodies ache and groan. And all for only a race or competition. This modern generation doesn't object to self-inflicted training. They object to the enforcement of one person's will upon another.

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What can I do about worried neighbors?

Chastisement can be noisy! Neighbors sometimes get concerned when they hear your child screaming. They do not see your caring love nor your long-term plan.

It is essential that you start training your child when he is a baby. This will enable you to gain the child's respect your 'no' very early This will not eliminate the need for chastisement, but it will greatly limit it.

We have trained our children, especially the loud criers, to cover their mouths when they cry. It works! We also do not tolerate extreme crying or yelling. Yelling is an expression of rebellion. The child must be warned of it and, if necessary, also be chastised for his disobedience. Listen carefully to your child's cries to discern the differences.

Choose to discipline in private places that absorb sound. If you live in apartments, flats or condos, choose the room away from the halls and with more insulation like a rug. You might cover an air vent for the brief moment. Walk-in closets are great.

Paul J. Bucknell, Biblical Foundations for Freedom 21 Comments [12/22/2017 3:53:49 PM]
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Quote# 135419

I recently visited Mattel's website to read up on their Secret Spells Barbie doll, and was sickened by the whorish presentation on their main webpage, The Barbie® Official Music Video 2009. They have a bunch of women in miniskirts, shaking their butts, singing the lyrics... “You can do anything, dream a dream, the world is yours. I brought lots of friends, the party never ends... Come on Barbie let's go party.” They're a bunch of whores! This is what kids are being taught to do. This is what America's society has become. Kids don't stand a chance nowadays of turning out right for God unless they have someone who cares enough about them to teach them the Word of God, and that it is a sin to dress immodestly and dance provocatively in public. I'm talking about good old-fashioned morality.

Sadly, Mattel is providing immoral role models for kids to follow. Barbie dolls have become synonymous with miniskirts and partying. Amazon.com sells the Barbie Dance Party Plug N Play Dance Mat, so your child can prepare for the nightclub life. Does anyone care about what God thinks about all this? Call me what you will, I'm just preaching the truth. America is a sinful culture of miniskirts, partying and sensual dancing. You say, I don't like what you're teaching. That's ok, God doesn't like how you're living. The Bible says in Romans 12:2, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” If you care at all what is the good, acceptable and perfect will of God, then you have to speak out as a Christian against sensual advertising used to sell lewd Barbie dolls. Barbie is a whore!

Americans are truly mentally-ill to teach their daughters to dress like whores, and behave like whores, and then give them free condemns to fornicate, and then provide free abortions for them when the condemns fail.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 17 Comments [12/22/2017 3:53:37 PM]
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Quote# 135380

(On an article about CCP banning it's members from celebrating Christmas to "resist Western cultural invasion")

(Carl La Fong)
Isn't it amazing how much liberals have in common with communists and radical Islam?

For a second I thought the headline said San Fran and not China.... and neither would have surprised me....

(Normy Friendly Pepe)
That's because the Democrats are a party of filthy Bolsheviks who align themselves with anything that undermines Western Civilization because they hate Christianity, Western culture, and it's people.

The left has done nothing but rape the West and redistribute it's wealth to the rest of the world for the past 70 years, but that's not enough! Now they're coming for everything. They are intentionally destroying the Christian West through mass immigration.

(cheatemandhowe)
Precisely, one of Marx's key principles is to weaken religion as a bonding force in society as well as the family, how else to destroy a system in order to rebuild it. Truly evil people.

(Jay Blanka)
Obama the muslim said happy holidays. President Trump says MERRY CHRISTMAS!

MAGA

(Ward)
Obama wasn't a Muslim or Jewish.. he was/is a globalist homosexual puppet.

(Volarekathy99)
He was absolutely a Muslim - billions to Iran, plus a deal to let them make an atomic bomb, pres of the US during the Uranium One deal, bows to Muslim leaders, treated Israel with comtempt & hostility, etc, etc. He claimed not to be a Muslim, but actions speak louder than words. I agree he was a globalist.

various commenters, Breitbart 6 Comments [12/22/2017 3:53:18 PM]
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Quote# 135372

Taylor Swift is an evil succubus who hates the things of Almighty God! She’s a sinful satanist communist, and she’s utterly reprehensible! Her latest album is an open display of her drunkenness, vindictiveness, lust, fornication, lesbianism with Karlie Kloss, as well as her open defiance of God’s natural laws!

I was removed from “Conserva”pedia because I’m a truth teller and I wasn’t gonna stand for them whitewashing the harm of Swift as well as sex!

James A. Wilson, FSTDT comments 13 Comments [12/22/2017 3:53:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 135417

Jerusalem will be the flash point for (gasp) the 'final conflagration'. Trump is just advancing prophecy (who could be against that?).

OldWiseGuy, Christian forums 13 Comments [12/22/2017 11:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Al (Not Bundy)

Quote# 135416



Paul Joseph Watson, Facebook 10 Comments [12/22/2017 10:59:51 AM]
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Quote# 135415

Good intentions don’t justify aggression.

If they did, consider this scenario: if Person A, a male, expressed a desire to have kids (in general, not with a specific person), and Person B, a female, also expressed a desire to have kids (also in general, and not with a specific person), and then if Person A forced sex upon Person B in order to impregnate her, could Person A defend his actions by claiming he had the good intentions of bringing kids into the world, and therefore his act was not rape despite have sex with a woman without her consent?

Clearly that’s an absurd claim, but that’s exactly what deniers of “taxation is theft” claim. “Taxation isn’t theft because the money goes to a good cause, it pays for roads and public education and welfare and so on, so consent is irrelevant and taking your money by force isn’t theft.”

Aggressions aren’t excused because of your good intentions, statists. Stop being utilititarians (justifying the means by the ends) and figure out that wrong is always wrong, no matter if you’re wearing a corporate suit, gang colors, or a uniform with a flag or badge on it.

#all aggressions are rape #taxation is theft #consent


wageronvoluntaryism, Tumblr 10 Comments [12/22/2017 10:59:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 135413

I just came across this subreddit, and it made me remember a tale from my younger days as a boy of just 16 years old.

Just for context, my younger sister is around 8 years younger than me, and she was (not anymore though) a VERY spoiled child. My parents, who'd always wanted a girl, were super-protective of her, and only wanted the best for their little princess, so she grew up with whatever she wanted. This incident happened when they were both out of the house, and it was the turning point I guess.

Mom and dad were out of the house, and my little sister wanted her hair oiled and massaged. She came up to me while I was doing the dishes and this is basically what happened.

Sis: Hey, I want you to call mom and get her to come home, because I want my hair oiled.

Me: (knowing that mom and dad are actually out on a date right now) Uh, I think they're actually pretty busy with some important work outside, so she won't come home and I can't disturb her, I'll do it instead.

After a few tantrums, in which I didn't budge an inch, she finally relented.

Sis: (snarkily) Fine, you do it instead.

Me: Sure thing sis, brb.

I went to the bathroom and brought coconut oil for her, and you can guess what happened next.

Sis: COCONUT OIL?! Yuck! I want the jasmine oil that mom uses!

Me: "Checks the bathroom" Sorry sis, but there's none of that in the house, this is the only thing we have.

Sis: Oh yeah? And what's that? "Points to shelf holding a bottle of the brand of jasmine oil that mom uses"

Me: But that's not-

Sis: It is, and if you don't use it, I'll tell mom and dad that you were mean to me while they were gone.

Me: Alright, if that's what you want.

She smugly watched me bring the container. I handed it to her.

Me: There's just barely enough to be used, you'll have to pour it directly on to your head. My hands are shaky and I don't want to get oil on your clothes.

Sis: What? Fine, give it.

She turned the bottle upside down over her head, only to realize a few seconds later that something rather smelly and sticky was covering her hair and dripping on to her body.

Sis: What's this?! This doesn't feel or smell like Jasmine oil!

Me: That's because it isn't, it's old sewing machine oil. Mom used this bottle to hold the sewing machine oil when it's own container cracked.

Sis: But you didn't-

Me: I tried to, but you refused to listen to me. Come on, I need to give you a bath, there's no way you'll be able to get that stuff off on your own. I'm gonna need to scrub your hair properly to remove the oil.

I don't know how for sure how she must have felt being given a bath by her elder brother, I wouldn't think she was humiliated, but I DO know that the painful scrubbing that followed taught her a good lesson.

Edit: To a lot of people who find the idea of Mixed Bathing horrendous and/or weird, this was a common practice between family members where I spent my childhood.

Edit 2: I washed my sisters hair and then left for tuition.

Edit 3: To everyone arguing about what age my sister and I fought at, I said that she was sent to live with me a few years after I moved out, and that I moved out when I was 24 years old. She came to the US when she was 18, and I was rather new there as well. If you do the math, that would make me 26 years old at the time.

ThatBadassonline, Reddit - r/MaliciousCompliance 10 Comments [12/22/2017 10:56:41 AM]
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