Quote# 125280

BeWhoYouAre:
I've had an issue with this idea that we choose hell since I first heard it expressed out loud. It's above all dishonest because it's actually a self-righteous Christian saying "you disagree with my belief which is the only thing that can save you, so you are instead choosing hell." When it's entirely reasonable that you might simply reject hell as a concept entirely. The other side doesn't like that answer so they dish back this thing of "yes hell is real and it's there and you don't believe me so you must want to go there then."

Master Samwise:
I think your disconnect is that you seem to disbelieve in an objective moral order. I mean, let's just put the God question aside for a moment and look at the underlying philosophical difference here. For a person who believes in an objective moral order i.e. right and wrong are objective principles that are discovered through reason, not created by it. From this perspective, you comment about the supposed self-righteous Christian would seem laughably insane. Whether or not you agree or disagree does not change the reality that violations of the objective moral order occur. It is like saying that you won't die when you jump off a building because you don't believe in gravity.

This is where, I think, atheists and agnostics and anyone else trying to play gotcha with Christian goes wrong. You are trying to argue against a whole system of metaphysics that, believe it or not, can go on for days about morality without a mention of God without actually engaging the first principles of that system. It would be like a scientist trying to disprove Newton without ever studying Newton beyond his laws of motion.


Master Samwise, Disqus - Religion 7 Comments [3/10/2017 11:24:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 125279

The Main Course



President Trump rips the press again. Many have waited their whole life to see somebody put the media in line the way Trump can. Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2017.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 25 Comments [3/10/2017 11:23:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125277

[Comment under "TIL of Ossip Bernstein, a famous chess grandmaster, who was sentenced to death by the Bolsheviks in 1918. While he was facing the firing squad, a russian officer that heard his name offered him the chance to prove his identity in a game of chess. He beat the officer and was released."]

@IndigoCup:
bankers and landlords starve people


There is no evidence and this doesn't even make sense, because they would lose money if their employees died

Collectivized farming is a failure and killed millions


But you're perfectly okay with this...?

Really makes you think ??


Ends justify the means. The USSR became a superpower under Stalin, with average lifespan and standard of living massively increasing.

Stickmanville, Reddit - r/todayilearned 13 Comments [3/10/2017 11:22:16 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 125271

Degenerates, Communists, and The Left make Fascists.
That's what I absolutely adore: the utter idiocy and inability to avoid the same mistakes over and fucking over again. People have gotten so obsessed with painting Hitler as the Ultimate Evil and obscuring any actual in-depth analysis of his Rise To Power that even the same people who whine about being "doomed to repeat history" are ironically dooming history to repetition.

Firstly the Communists: they go out of their way to hurt as many people as humanly possible and get giddy at human misery, period. We have quotes of Lenin celebrating the fact that his "fellow" Russians were dying of famine because it would weaken the Tsar's grip and get people to abandon their faith in their King and Country. We have Peter Hitchens admitting when he was a Trotskyite that his and his companions constant haranguing for more immigrants wasn't out of any kind of "solidarity", but rather the desire to see his country and the traditional institutions within it destroyed.
You even have people on this very subreddit admitting that they support mass-immigration ultimately to undermine the electoral process by getting a horde of voters in to blindly pass whatever the fuck they want.

Then you have the violence. Communists in Spain murdered innocent Catholics, they killed civilians and butchered businessmen. In Germany they launched a bloody "revolution" at the worst possible moment, thereby ensuring that Germany was that much more weaker at the bargaining table.

Germany is honestly the most ironic example, given we've got this idiotic narrative pushed by anti-fascists that Hitler was essentially "unopposed" in his rise, as if he could say whatever the fuck he wanted and no one would raise their voice: in truth their predecessors, the various red militias in Germany, were wreaking enough habit and threatening him enough that the SA could form fairly easily, and the narrative of the omnipresent "red menace", the violent thugs seeking to destroy Germany, was only reinforced.
And so today you have the far-right rising again; though unlike what the whining left says so far, they aren't fascist--at least not yet.

Fascism is ultimately born when the humiliation, the degeneration, the utter soulless materialism and corruption grows too much for society and it needs an intensive chemo treatment in the form of a dictator.

As for the rise of the alt-right, which is Fascism-lite in my opinion, all you have to do is simply look at the news and come to understand that a not-insignificant group of White Men realized that they had to argue for their peoples continued existence.

The media successfully painted a narrative that White men are evil, and whilst that might be fine for non-whites, many Whites realized that their government has been acting in the best interest of this amorphous blob called "The Nation" rather than simply for "The White Race", and in fact has been catering to Non-Whites for decades in spite of those various minority group's continued failure to reach economic parity with Whites.
Not only that, but The Left is quite honestly the most institutionally privileged "group" (for lack of a better term) in The West: their radicals can attempt to murder people with no legal ramifications, they can destroy property, they can ruin peoples lives and laugh at it whilst being lauded as heroes while their moderates can spew their disgusting ideology on the news, in the classroom, and at work without having to fear the slightest ramification.
Let me ask everyone here why the fuck would anyone want to be some meek little "Conservative" or "Republican" in this environment? If you're moderate you'll be met with violence, expelled, called Racist, Fascist, be humiliated, and if you raise your voice the same institutions which privilege The Left will try to annihilate you.
It reminds me of an old story in the death throes of the Qing Empire: essentially two generals would be late to a meeting due to flooding. One general turned to the other and asked "What's the penalty for being late?" "Death." Replied his peer. The first general pondered for a moment and asked, "What's the penalty for rebellion?" "Death." His peer replied again, and so they weighed their option and decided rebellion was the better choice.

The Left expects The Right to be smeared as hate mongers, as pure evil, to be willingly attacked, to have no sense of job, social, or educational security, and to do all that while being bashed for not grovelling enough... and then its shocked when The Right turns to fascism.
Can anyone provide any decent fucking argument for why Whites shouldn't turn to racial identarianism and race-based hatred? Can anyone provide any single reason why anyone on The Right should give a fuck about Fascism?
"Democracy"? The Left undermined it for centuries, it decided it wasn't going to work for votes, just drag in a bunch of minorities and give them free shit. You have people on this sub openly admitting that.
"Equality"? That quite honestly just means chasing the last white person down and murdering them.

"Treat others the way you wish to be treated"? Why is that always used as a one-way street? Blacks have been howling for blood constantly. Muslims murder people out in the streets. The Left has been treating The Right, even the moderate right, as Satan, and then they sputter and claim that The Right should treat others the way they want to be treated because...? Are we meant to imply that they have been treating us as not the way they wished to be treated themselves?
"Because its Fascism"? Fascism, Racism, Sexism, these words have been abused so-fucking much that Racism means anything from telling a Black chick her hair is curly to lynching blacks in the 60s, what's the worst that can happen if someone actually becomes a Fascist? They're a "double-fascist"?

The Far-Right is on the rise, and The Left has thankfully wrapped a noose around their own neck.

Moprollems, Reddit 14 Comments [3/10/2017 11:09:47 AM]
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Quote# 125269

Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) got into a battle with Rep. Mike Doyle (D-PA) Thursday during a House Committee on Energy and Commerce hearing for the healthcare bill.

While discussing the GOP’s new bill, Doyal asked what Shimkus could possibly have a problem with that is mandated in Obamacare. He rattled off some of the things Americans have said they like, kids being able to stay on their parents’ insurance until 26, not being kicked off for pre-existing conditions or stopping caps on benefits.

Shimkus replied that men shouldn’t have to pay for prenatal care.

“I’m just — I — is that not correct?” Shimkus stuttered. “Should they?”

Doyal seemed so dumbfounded he couldn’t find his words either. He reclaimed his time. “There’s no such thing as ala cart insurance, John,” he explained.

Shimkus said that was the thing he had a problem with. “That’s the point! That’s the point!” he exclaimed. “We want the consumer to be able to go to the insurance market and be able to negotiate on a plan that –”

“You tell me what insurance company will do that,” Doyle interrupted. “There isn’t a single insurance company in the world that does that, John.”

John Shimkus, Raw Story 15 Comments [3/10/2017 10:54:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125263

Why Cant Women Admit that 99% of them are Attracted to only One Man???

Tall, Muscular, Handsome........................99 % of them want this. If Incels looked like this 99% of women wud want them.......

Incels looks restrict them to a very small percentage of women if any at all and the women may reside half way around the world.

Whilst most women are attractive to most men. Even fat ugly women have a harem of men after them even decent looking men.......

Which Sadistic God created this Unfair Sexual Marketplace and why Cant women admit the truth??????

jackville07, /r/incels 24 Comments [3/9/2017 6:04:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 125262

"I've said it before. Any religion that invents a god that invents hell is an evil religion. Think about it. It's practitioners are saying that not only will you go to hell but that you DESERVE hell. You and everyone you love."

It's practitioners are saying that not only will you go to hell but that you DESERVE hell... Not really. It is more that you desire hell and God, being obliging, lets you have your way. Basically, if you choose to have a life apart from God, then He doesn't compel you have one. Granted, life apart from God is bad, but can you blame God for people actively choosing with full knowledge of the intellect the wrong thing? That would be like saying doctors are to blame for people who refuse treatment and die. Sure, they may have lived if they went with the doctor, but they are to blame if their denial of the good causes them suffering.

Master Samwise, Disqus - Religion 21 Comments [3/9/2017 6:04:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 125257

in response to this post


The issue I have with this post is that for the purposes of who it’s appropriate for you to be dating you’re 30, not 17 ,always. To go ‘oooooh which is the age you should be judging the morality of my relationships by 30 or 17 it’s impossible to say!’ you’re implicitly telling people that there’s some ambiguity as to whether having headmates who are minors as an adult means your relationships should be judged as a minor’s relationships. There is not. This is the main point of this reblog and tbh it’s something you need to speak on. Arguing for age gaps between adults being okay shouldn’t be done in ways that could be used to justify child abuse, and that’s a responsibility you take on when you speak on the issue.


We have spoken on it. Repeatedly. And… no, you’re dangerously leaving out an important nuance there: A system member who is a minor, even in an adult body, is still a fucking minor and so probably should not “have their relationships judged as an adult” - they shouldn’t be entering into adult relationships at all. Yes, this leaves an awkward spot where there’s basically no ethical way for some system members to date at all. Again, we’ve spoken publicly on this very issue before, including in direct response to this post.

.You’re not allowed to ignore age completely whether you’re a singlet or not. The age of your body absolutely determines, at least, the minimum age of the people it is ethical for you to date and I don’t know why you continually dance around whether or not you agree with that because you have made it unclear.

.”mental age” is measured in a lot of different ways by a lot of different people, unlike chronological age which is objective and it’s often used to tell disabled people what they can and cannot do so I think it’s up to her to decide the age of the people she is comfortable dating, depending on what exactly she is using the very ambiguous term “mental age” to convey, and her chronological age.

.It’s actually pretty dangerous to a wide variety of people to respond to people saying “23 year olds and 30 year olds shouldn’t date” with but ‘I’m a system and therefore using age as a measure of the morality of a relationship is flawed.’ Like were the “antis” you’re discussing even talking about a relationship that involved systems in any way?

.Also “think carefully about your answer” look it’s so unsettling how you’re conducting this conversation like SEE IF YOU CAN SOLVE THIS PUZZLE I”VE CONCOCTED like people are trying to talk to you about how something you said had some really uncomfortable implications and you should at least try to treat our concerns in a way that’s honest and self-critical and not be trying to like get us to say something wrong so you “win”that’s not how this works.



What SM was arguing in the OP - what we have argued consistently - is that chronological age does not equal narrative age for multiples. SM split in a trauma event 17 years ago. So yes, it is 17 years old. But believe it or not, we aren’t born quite like you. It didn’t need to learn to walk and talk and use a toilet again. It came into existence as a teenager, in a teenage body. It continued to age in real time, so despite having existed for 17 years, it has a narrative age in the mid-30s.
This information has already been explicitly provided to you.
So… your argument is that a system member with a narrative age in the mid-30s, with a body in the mid-30s, is the victim of a gross predator… because she’s in a consensual relationship with someone younger. Because you are utterly fixated on dictating to multiples instead of listening to us about our experience and how your rules get really fucked up and ableist when you apply them to us unilaterally.
What’s even more fucked up is that you’re making this argument after repeatedly arguing that a system member with a narrative age of fourteen should be allowed to date adults because they happen to be in an older body.
Like. Do you have any idea how many different levels of fucked up you’re being here?
Re: mental age: If you know that, then maybe you know better than to apply it to other DD people without their consent? No? What a surprise, consideration for other people’s boundaries and differing situations is not your strong suit.



You seriously could have just said that you’re 30 and your girlfriend is 23 and it’s a healthy relationship without doing all this bullshit
.‘checkmate people who disapprove of relationships between 30 year olds and 23 year olds, I’m also 17’ is an inherently dangerous sentiment, deflecting criticism of your relationship based on the age of your body by bringing up your chronological age of your alter absolutely cosigns some pedophiles’ justifications
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2. Well, there’s the aspect that we’ve brought up repeatedly and you literally just acknowledged: Basing your decisions solely on the age of the body opens up two loopholes for the abuse of children.

I have never seen someone so determined to allow for the abuse of children in my life.

2.5. They weren’t just calling it “inherently predatory,” they were calling it “pedophilic.” That is the absurdity I was responding to. There is no, repeat no, way for a relationship between two adults to be pedophilic.

3. I could’ve done a lot of things. I chose to write a quick snarky post to vent some of my frustration. This is just tone-policing a mentally ill woman for not responding to ableism politely enough for you. Fuck off.

4. “Your expressed policies paint me as simultaneously predator and victim of the same person, this is absurd” is not an inherently dangerous statement. I wasn’t deflecting criticism of my relationship - I was responding to criticism of a fictional relationship and the fact that it leaves zero room for me to exist. And I wasn’t bringing up the age of a system mate. I was talking about myself. I am an adult who happens to have existed for 17 years. This is a thing that happens, and maybe if you could stop being an ableist fuck for like half a second you’d be able to understand that.

This is not cosigning anybody’s justification for the abuse of children. This is saying “Your rules have a blatant and ugly failure case; better rules are needed.” I have, repeatedly, offered better rules which - unlike yours - do not simultaneously paint someone as predator and victim or allow for the exploitation of children.

Seriously. I said “Hey, there’s a problem with your policies, here’s a policy that better protects children.” And you are trying to pretend I am cheerleading for child molesters, like the ones who fucking raped us, because I did so a bit snarkily (after already having been the target of multiple smear campaigns by antis for daring to actually listen to experts and evidence).

No part of this is honest disagreement. You are doing exactly what I have always objected to in the Anti Squad - reaching as hard as you fucking can for any excuse to portray anybody who disagrees with you as a supporter of child molesters. You are actively harming CSA survivors and mentally ill people and allowing child molesters to go unchallenged, and that is beyond disgusting. Get the fuck off our post with that shit.






wetwareproblem, tumblr 15 Comments [3/9/2017 3:22:12 PM]
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Quote# 125255

I'm pro-multiculture, but for stupidity like this, even I am tempted to say "If this doesn't fit you, you can get out of here!".


Now you know why some people are anti-muslim. I used to go to a muslim convention every year and this crap was everywhere. That is in addition to what I see at muslim sites on the internet.

Consider this: Muslims are not pro-multiculture. Islam must reign supreme. There are lots of muslim refugees in Sweden. What are the implications for your multicultural self?

Mister Spak, FSTDT 28 Comments [3/9/2017 3:18:56 PM]
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Quote# 125247

If the Bible was written by men, then why does it prompt us to seek forgiveness from a Divine Creator? Why would men write such a fairytale condemning all of humanity to Hell? Has anyone ever written a book such as the Bible? Archeologists and explorers have been discovering thousands of scrolls, tablets and fragments of the Bible for centuries.

People have uncovered all of these findings in scattered places throughout the Middle East, in multiple languages. Can any book throughout history claim such remarkable exposure? And if men did write the Bible without ant Divine inspiration, then how did the forty Biblical writers, over 1,500 years of history, manage to complete such a seamless masterpiece of prophecy? The Quran can not claim this, it contains no prophecy.

God is Amazing! I am always intrigued, captivated, and stand in awe when I consider the universe. What was God thinking? Did He really create all of those stars (the nearest star to earth being 4.24 light years away) just for mankind to have a night light? (Genesis 1:14-19). Yes, that is what the Bible teaches. God gave us the sun, moon and stars. This is why mankind will NEVER find any intelligent life in the universe apart from the earth. God created it all for us.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 28 Comments [3/9/2017 3:10:26 PM]
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Quote# 125246

Although the Supreme Court in 2015 made it legal for same-sex couples to get married across the United States, several lawmakers in Arkansas are trying to challenge that ruling with a new bill that would rescind their state’s recognition of same-sex marriages.

The New Civil Rights Movement notes that GOP Arkansas Rep. Stephen Meeks has introduced a new bill that would make it state policy to only recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman.

“Marriage shall be only between a man and a woman. A marriage between persons of the same sex is void,” the bill reads. “It is the public policy of the State of Arkansas to recognize the marital union only of man and woman… Marriages between persons of the same sex are prohibited in this state.”

Additionally, the bill would not recognize the marriages of same-sex couples who move to Arkansas from states that do recognize same-sex marriages.

Meeks has attracted 20 additional Republican co-sponsors for his bill so far.

Arkansas GOP, Raw Story 24 Comments [3/9/2017 3:09:31 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125245

When certain families raise their children in today’s culture to be God-honoring, productive, respectful young adults, it’s an astounding accomplishment.

It still happens, praise God, and many of you are still trying to do this.

But the forces allied against such happy outcomes are growing, metastasizing through the disease of secular American culture.

To keep protecting our children, we must recognize honestly what’s going on, even if it is a deeply sobering, heartbreaking picture.

It’s all-out war, one that God is possibly allowing for a time as part of judgment on America.

The left calls the transformation of America “progress.”

But no, it is instead an insane race toward the crumbling temples of ancient barbarism, leading our children by the hand as the sacrificial victims brought willingly to the pagan feast.

Can God “turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children”? (Malachi 4:6)

It may be a divine consequence, if not judgment, of America’s callous slaughter of 60 million unborn lives. God has a habit of giving us what we want.

We are reaping the fruit of abortion: marriage abolition via the homosexual and gender confusion agendas. “Don’t want the blessing of faithful husband/wife love – new human life? OK, take the emptiness of fruitless pleasure instead.”

Sexual promiscuity and cohabitation before marriage were just the beginning. The severe spiritual disorientation that results in the disintegration of male and female norms is being visited on the next generation as we fail to guard their hearts, their eyes, their bodies.

Corruption is “cool”; protectiveness is stifling. The bar of “education” in sexual matters is moved ever lower until Ph.D.s in anti-Christ mythology are dragging youth through a gutter of horrific abominations in grade school. Students are tutored in masturbation as a child, then mutual masturbation as a pre-teen, then experimentation in all directions as a teen. Abortion is always a “health care” option.

And sometimes, adults break a sacred trust and violate children themselves.

The result? More children who exhibit the classic signs of demonic oppression.

Many are behaviorally unhinged, some unaccountably anxious. Others are perennially dissatisfied, proudly rebellious, even self-destructive through cutting, drug use, eating disorders. And then there are those with violent impulses – teen rapists, looters, vandals.

Gender anarchy is one of the last stops on this nightmare trail, a natural outcome of rejecting the sanity and beauty of male and female God-designed identities. Homosexuality was the stop before. And while homosexual desires arise from some level of gender confusion, many stop short of a complete repudiation of the anatomical reality of masculinity and femininity. Or at least, they used to.

Satan is not done with our precious sons and daughters yet. He wants us to hand our children over willingly, believing it’s for their own good, and scream in outrage at any who try to issue warnings.

It’s now “cruel” not to let boys dress in skirts and eyeliner and disrobe in the female locker rooms at school.

Watching this descent into the hell of child corruption for four decades, it’s difficult to understand why more people who call themselves Christian are not radically upset. Some are – that’s our hope and promise.

But for instance, America’s most fervent pro-life activists often avoid any stand on this issue. It may be fear, or it may be that they resist connecting the dots about where decades of sowing disrespect for the fruit of marriage takes us.

After killing millions of our own offspring, Americans are jaded and desensitized to the sexual corruption of our children. Many believers now contend, unbiblically, that it’s un-Christian not to cooperate with these diabolical delusions.

This blindness may also be God’s judgment.

We are more afraid of the worldly label of “hate” than the divine label of “unfaithful.”

Parents allow schools to teach children detailed elements of sexual perversion in sex education. Should 11-year-olds learn, inaccurately, that anal sex is a manageable “genital” activity? Do we not weep in despair at the smashed innocence in a sensitive child?

Friendly librarians hand our children “young adult” literature selections that include pornographic passages. Parents trust that what a school recommends will have no negative effect. This category of literature has exploded in the last 15 years – complete with rape scenes, homosexual sex, masturbation, oral sex, gender fluidity – only because parents are not the watchdogs they used to be. The healthy skepticism that once accompanied parental oversight is quickly vanishing.

So we have porn-obsessed boys who crave sex with other boys – but are willing to accept sex with a predatory adult male.

We see teen lesbians who hate males flirt with witchcraft and think abortion is a sacrament.

And highly disturbed middle schoolers are exploited by social media and radical teachers and threaten suicide unless parents support them in identifying as the opposite sex and beginning hormone “treatment.”

Does any parent bring a baby home from the hospital and proclaim, “Oh, I can’t wait until he is a 17-year-old drag queen who begs to have castration surgery!”

Do any parents pray that their adorable baby girl grows into a foul-mouthed, tattooed “gender-queer” who damages her breasts permanently through chest-binding?

Of course not. America is drowning in parental tears. “I never thought this would happen!” “What did I do wrong?”

Sometimes parents do bear some responsibility. But sometimes it’s the corrupt world that is increasingly impossible to screen out.

We must change it.

What can America do to turn this around? First, we must face the war that is being waged and search our own hearts, with repentance and conviction.

Read and study Scripture about the nation that turns from the Lord:

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I will also reject you from being priest for Me.
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children." ( Hosea 4: 6, NKJV)

Can we save our children? Yes. But first, we must save ourselves.

Linda Harvey, WND 14 Comments [3/9/2017 3:09:23 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125243

Last month, “respected prophet” Cindy Jacobs preached at a church in New Jersey, where she prophesied that God wants Christians to be rich so that there will be a “great harvest” of Jewish conversions when they see their Christian neighbors becoming “profoundly wealthy.”

“What the Jews have, we have,” Jacobs proclaimed. “However, we have more when we’re in Christ because the Holy Spirit is inside us, empowering us to do the good works we’re called to do.”

“I want to say to you,” she continued, “that one of the things I believe that’s going to bring a great harvest of Jews is the Christians becoming so profoundly wealthy … that it’s going to make them jealous. The wealth and the riches that we’re able to obtain is going to make them jealous.”

“Do you think our poverty is going to make a Jew jealous?” she asked. “Come off it! No, we are meant to prosper. Why? Because they understand, in their culture, that obedience to God brings blessing.”

Cindy Jacobs, Right Wing Watch 19 Comments [3/9/2017 2:56:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125242

Porn stars belittle all women. As long as men look at women as a sex object, we won't get the credibility we deserve.

Sharon Gebur, Facebook 25 Comments [3/9/2017 2:56:32 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125241

It is true, as survivors said it was. Under a small patch of grass by a playground in Tuam, County Galway, Ireland, the bodies of the children who died in the local Mother and Baby home lie in unmarked graves. The Mother and Baby homes of Ireland – the last of which closed in 1996 – were run like punishment hostels for unmarried pregnant women. Their children were taken for adoption, fostering or the horror of the industrial schools, or they died in their thousands, of malnutrition and neglect. In some cases the bodies were used for dissection in medical schools.

This was veiled until two years ago when an amateur historian, Catherine Corless, learnt that 796 children had died at Tuam between 1925 and 1961; but where, she asked, were the graves? An inquiry was established and has now partially excavated the Tuam site. (The home has been replaced with a housing estate. Hence the ghoulish – and preposterous – playground.) Remains of children aged from those prematurely born to three years old have been found; Corless, then, is vindicated.

You might say that, for survivors, stonewalled and ignored by the Irish state and Catholic church for decades, denied their birth records and medical histories – essentially, their identities – and thwarted in their attempts to find their families, this is a victory.

[...]

The inquiry will deal with the 35,000 inmates and children of the nine homes, and a small number of associated institutions operated by various religious orders on behalf of the state – plus a few county homes. Some of these orders – such as the Sisters of Bon Secours and the order of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Mary – are still active, and thriving; the Bon Secours, for example, is wealthy enough to hire a public relations consultant who, two years ago, denied the existence of the burial pit at Tuam. But there is a second web of institutions that also removed children from their mothers. These included private nursing homes, public hospitals and so-called holding centres and orphanages for children who were not orphans; or, if they were, the state had made them so.

Other children were taken from private homes, or by small adoption agencies and societies. One – the Catholic Rescue and Protection Society – operated in the UK under the auspices of a Dublin priest. Its job was to return fleeing pregnant women to Ireland, and the homes. One woman made this journey at full term. If you seek evidence of the physical welfare of these women and their children, look only to her testimony, and the burial pits.

[...]

Catholic Church and Irish State, The Guardian 12 Comments [3/9/2017 2:56:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Indicible

Quote# 125240



Catholic Nationalist, Facebook 12 Comments [3/9/2017 2:56:11 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 125238

(The article was on a Nigerian church collapse that resulted in the deaths of at least 60 people.)

They were Christians, so they kinda deserved it for being idiots.

EricNeoMatrix, Friendly Atheist 20 Comments [3/9/2017 2:03:21 PM]
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Quote# 125237

[From an article about a proposed bill to introduce universal healthcare to California.]

Californians need to bring a class action suit against this rogue California government! The nerve to force healthcare for illegals on California tax payers! This better NOT circumvent the voters voice! California greatly passed prop. 187 years ago, that proposition denied benefits to illegals PERIOD! It passed by with a 60% margin and the voters wishes were IGNORED by this state. STOP forcing American Citizens to pay for anything that illegals have NO right to. California government are criminals and anti-American.

Take note America and NEVER elect another Democrat or left wing candidate. You well regret it. Don't let your state turn into California.

BourneInTheUSA ?'s ?TrumpUSA???? (yes that's their real username), Mercury News 20 Comments [3/9/2017 2:03:14 PM]
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Submitted By: Into the Unknown

Quote# 125236

Pastor Sam Nunez: Jesus is coming soon. Be ready. I believe something is going to happen and a lot of people don’t know it. They’ve heard about Jesus and understand he is our savior, but very few think the words he said — that he would come again — are going to happen. The best way to prepare is to read his word and follow it. I think we’re living in times where we see lots of things happening which point to this return. There’s a lot of tension and stress and we need to look up for answers. Jesus says he has conquered the world and in him we can find peace.

SDR: What’s your main concern as a member of the clergy?

PN: We’re not reading our Bible. I see members in our church and in other denominations where people like to come to church and hear pastors preach. That’s basically their spiritual meal for the week. In some ways there is an illiteracy in scripture, and I don’t know if it’s because of work or other priorities in life, but there is a neglect in reading the word, understanding it, and applying it.

Sam Nunez, San Diego Reader 7 Comments [3/9/2017 2:01:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

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You can look in my comment history. I'm from the alt right and I used to be a feminist and anarchist. I still attend a prominent social justice oriented leftist academy for grad school and I work in the non profit world. I can quote Foucault or Deluze or bell hooks for you if you would like a seal of authenticity. I live in San Francisco and have for 7 years. There is really no way I can't be fully aware of the dominant leftists narrative and live here.

No I don't agree with him at all that vaccines cause Autism, if that is indeed his position. That is junk science and has no merit.
I disagree with him on a probably a majority of his positions, but I see him as the only candidate who is challenging neoliberal global capitalism, and I think this is the greatest threat to our country and to me personally. I think we need nationalism to have a cohesive population that can advocate for itself politically and I think several neoliberal policies (interventionist wars, free trade, illegal immigration and cultural diversity) work specifically and intentionally against nationhood. This is a last ditch and desperate attempt at nationhood. Clinton would have been the death blow to our nation and an acceleration of the United States into irreversible demographic change that would leave us (working class whites) politically and economically vulnerable to the corporate oligarchy. I think the neoliberal policies I enumerated above leave us physically less safe and culturally impoverished.

TLDR I voted for trump because I don't want to live in Brazil.

In regards to "the election being over" Clinton's policies and neoliberal ideology (which continue to be the dominant set of policies) would degrade our nation. This isn't about Clinton as a person, it's that she represents the dominant ideology which I see as a threat. This is still the dominant ideology of the academy and many other prominent cultural institutions.

Trumps cabinet may be full of billionaires but I don't care. Jeff Sessions has a strong record against illegal immigration which is my number one issue and I think the number one issue facing working class whites in California. I have confidence in Sessions, and that's mostly what I care about. I want lower rent, more jobs, and lower crime rates. I don't want to spend our social services budget on illegal immigrants or their children when we have Americans that need help. Diversity is proven to degrade civic life and I think that is a problem. I want to make America as white as possible and restore our culture.

And yes, I think women are easily tricked into voting against their self interest and the interest of society through emotional and moral manipulation. I think we would have more of the policies that I favor if we (women) didn't vote.

andafuture, Reddit 8 Comments [3/9/2017 2:01:43 PM]
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#Christ warns “A GOOD and TRUE Muslim, according to the Holy Qur’an and the Teachings of Almighty God Allah(?#?MasterFardMuhammad?), to me;

Will not have ANYTHING to do with, or show sympathy, Or love for a hypocrite.

Though they may be their own near of kin, their parents, their sisters, their brothers and their own children.

This is taught in the Holy Qur'an and also taught in the Bible by Jesus; wherein that he says, in Matthew, that “if you would be my disciples, then you must first HATE your mother, brother, sister, and your own beloved ones and pick up your cross and come follow me.” Honorable Elijah Muhammad: Warning to the Hypocrites

"?#?Jesus? taught his diciples and the world to even hate those that did not believe in Almighty God, Allah, and he as His Messenger. And to keep AWAY from them and not even to take them for friends.

The same goes for the Holy Qur’an. The Holy Qur’an teaches us against even befriending a disbeliever or hypocrite for they are the friends of the devil and not the friends of God, nor the Messenger, nor those who follow and believe the Messenger. They hate all.

When they turn back they hate God and denounces Him as being a false God or not the real God and hate the Messenger and those who are with the Messenger. This is true and is going on at this very minute.” Honorable Elijah Muhammad?

doomalert19, Tumblr 7 Comments [3/9/2017 1:55:16 PM]
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Anonymous, Whisper 15 Comments [3/9/2017 1:54:21 PM]
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Anonymous, Whisper 20 Comments [3/9/2017 1:53:42 PM]
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