Quote# 126277

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Evolution is an anti-science idea which not only violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics, but is nowhere observable and reproducible even after "billions of years" have gone by. It cannot pass the test of scientific method. The Genesis "after their kind" principle has never been violated in all recorded human history and thus is observable and scientifically sound . Evolutionists love to hide behind the word "science" to spread evolution and other naturalistic beliefs (big bang and abiogenesis). No scientists should account for the origin of the universe by only looking within the universe any more than looking within books for their origin and computers for their origin. Intelligent designers always exist outside of their objects of design. Atheism makes as much sense as reading "The God Delusion" and concluding Richard Dawkins doesn't exist just because he can't be found in his book (his creation).

EvolutionismAnti-Science Lie, youtube 15 Comments [4/13/2017 1:49:25 AM]
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Quote# 126276

Dad raped teenage daughter to 'prove sex was better with men' after she told him she was gay

The 54-year-old reacted with "uncontrolled anger” by brutally attacking the 16-year-old who had confided in him that she was "struggling with her identity"

A twisted father raped his own teenage daughter in a bid to "show her" that sex with men was better after she told him she was gay.

The 54-year-old reacted with "uncontrolled anger” by brutally attacking the 16-year-old who had confided in him that she was "struggling with her identity".

The father, who cannot be named to protect the identities of his victims, also raped his other daughter during two decades of sexual abuse.

He has now been jailed for 21 years after being found guilty of three rapes during the 1980s and 90s.

Judge Andrew Lockhart QC told the brute: “The court heard from both of these two women. They have both been severely psychologically damaged by your behaviour.

“Listening to [one of the victim’s] evidence of her feeling of guilt at leaving her sister to face you was the most harrowing of evidence.”

The father had pleaded not guilty at Warwick Crown Court to nine charges of indecent assault, one of indecency with a child and three of rape.

He was convicted of all charges after a trial.

Unknown father, Mirror 37 Comments [4/13/2017 1:49:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 126275

While in heaven God and his unit was running towards Lucifer to finish this once and for all. Lucifer seen God coming toward him so he rush towards God and use his power called blade of destruction. Out of Lucifer's sword came out this golden lighten blot and it killed about fifth-teen of God's men. God yelled to his men, "For victory or death!" God and Lucifer clashed their swords together thunder and lightening flashed through heaven's sky. With every blow that God and Lucifer swung the thunder got louder, the lightening got big and was in the sky longer. Deviceus finally seen Michel though all the fighting that was going on and he began dashing towards Michel yelling, "Today is your day to feel real pain Michel!" Michel heard Deviceus yelling at him so he slashed everyone that was in his way that he could get toward Deviceus. Deviceus got closer by the seconds to fight Michel and Michel said, "Brother the side you on will parish from this place come back to the father he would forgive you my brother." Deviceus said. "We aren't brothers no more you will die Michel for sins the new lord."

Michel said, "while die now my brother to victory or death." Tears began rolling down Michel's face as he started fighting his brother to stay alive. More angels were dieing and heaven looked like a city that was called Blood Bath with all the bodies lying around. God and Lucifer were still fighting cutting one other up in to pieces. Lucifer said to God, "You will lose today and lordship will be mines to hold and your life will be unpleasing for ever." God said to Lucifer. "Your life is what you made it Lucifer and victory shall be mines." God use his power called light of angels and out of his left hand came five bright halos that surrounded Lucifer. The halos began shining this great big light upon Lucifer and they were burning Lucifer's body. Lucifer use his power called black mist and charcoal black smoke smother around Lucifer. The halos blow up instantly when the smoke covered them. God use another power called tears of grace and it cleared up all the smoke that was around Lucifer. Lucifer use another power called knife of the fire and on his sword came this fire like balls heading toward God. The fireballs hit God in his chest and stomach and God fall to his knees. Lucifer said to God. "My Father there is no one that loves you more than me. we can stop this fighting now if you just say to me that I am the first and the last in heaven and on earth." God said to Lucifer. "Never will I say that to you because I am the first and last my child and for your miss love I can't give you nothing but the bottomless pit that you are given because of your disloyalty." Lucifer said. "Will your life shall be mines." Lucifer raise up his sword over his head to finish off God and swung it down to cut God's head off his shoulders. Lucifer's came close to cut God's head off, it got so close where it was at God's neck, but God blocked Lucifer's sword with his sword. Lucifer pressed his sword hard towards God's neck; there was blood dripping and slowly pouring down Lucifer's sword. God looked around and he seen that it looked like his army was losing the fight until a glow shoot up in heaven's sky. God pushed Lucifer's sword from off his neck and began fighting Lucifer with rage in his eyes. Lucifer felt every bone-crashing blow that God swung at him so he yelled at his army, "We lost retreat back to hell!" Deviceus said, "While Michel you got lucky this time but next time you will see death.' Deviceus used this power called joke is on you and Deviceus disappeared in this dark smoke. Lucifer and his army retreated back to hell and Lucifer said to God as he was leaving heaven, "Jehovah I will be back!" God said. "And I will be waiting."

Qweon Lee Drayton-Washington Sr., The Next Level: When Faith Begins and the fallen Has Arisen (book) 22 Comments [4/13/2017 1:49:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 126274

I feel totally convicted right now, I have been watching Disney my whole life and I have a 10-month old daughter and we watch Doc McStuffins, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and Octonauts on the Disney Channel and I have watched Cinderella, the Lion King, Snow White, Finding Nemo, Beauty and the Beast and other Disney movies with my daughter and learning about all this is disturbing. I'm going to pray and repent before God because I feel horrible. I'm not sure why the Holy Spirit about this, either way, I hope God forgives me and there is no damage done to my daughter from watching these movies.

Anonymous, The Latter Days 16 Comments [4/13/2017 1:49:01 AM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 126273

While Christians and only Christians can take authority over demons, self reliance is the main thing that God showed me was simply not an option, in regards to my experiences with fallen angels. God hated my self reliance 1. because it showed my lack of faith in His ability to protect me 2. It doesn't work. The mysterious scientific studies and research that Ryan alludes to are BOGUS. Fallen angels/ demons are in attendance at all universities, parapsychology laboratories etc. They run them! :)?


Coral Hull, youtube 16 Comments [4/13/2017 1:48:55 AM]
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Quote# 126270

Shockingly, Priscilla Presley (his former wife) said in 2005 that Elvis would have gone on to become a preacher had Elvis lived. Oh is that so? What church, the church of Satan! Elvis was a disgrace to name of Christianity. His gospel music was despicable. Any believer who can listen to the music of a godless reprobate like Elvis is NOT right with God. Elvis Presley openly committed adultery, loved sexual sins, and abused himself with illegal drugs. Elvis was a true ecumenical, drawing immoral people from all different religions into his religion of immoral sex and drug abuse.

Elvis' religion was rock-n-roll. No one entertainer is more recognized in the rock music industry than Elvis. Sadly, even many believers bought into Elvis' music because he would add one gospel song to the end of his albums. Thus, carnal believers justified listening to Devilish rock-n-roll, claiming that Elvis sang gospel music. This is the typical method which Satan uses to kill, steal, and destroy (John 10:10). Satan gets his foot in the door with a legitimate and good intention. We trust him enough to let him into our life, and then little by little before you realize what's happening, Satan gains complete control over us. NO believer goes straight into deep sin, it always starts with something small. Many believers who bought Elvis' music because they wanted that ONE gospel song ended up becoming whoremongers down the road.

Pastor Hamill, former pastor of First Assembly of God in Memphis, says that Presley visited him in the late 1950s, when he was at the height of his rock & roll powers, and testified: "Pastor, I’m the most miserable young man you’ve ever seen. I’ve got all the money I’ll ever need to spend. I’ve got millions of fans. I’ve got friends. But I’m doing what you taught me not to do, and I’m not doing the things you taught me to do" (Steve Turner, Hungry for Heaven, p. 20).

Elvis represents everything that is evil, truly his name should have been called "EVILS," and NOT Elvis.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 18 Comments [4/13/2017 1:48:18 AM]
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Quote# 126267

"Bloodless treatments are not in the realm of reality and there is not a single reason, Biblical or otherwise, not to use transfusions. I myself would be dead without having had one, so don't feed me this load of shit."

I am, YOU are not. You obviously don't know what in the world you're talking about.
Bloodlesss treatments are in the realm of reality, as there are entire medical facilities dedicated to such. So either you're simply a liar, or you're delusional and living in a fantasy land. Which is it? There is ample Biblical reason not to use transfusions, and you're completely incapable of refuting the logic behind it. In fact, you're incapable of even understanding it, as is everyone bigoted against God and the Bible. The only one trying to feed a load of manure here is you.

"In the real world as we know it, blood transfusions are still absolutely necessary to save lives. If you say otherwise, you're just being willfully ignorant. Are you saying from a Biblical standpoint I should have chosen to die? Is that what you're telling me, Sedagive? Your faith would have me six feet underground because of a Bible verse you chose to interpret in such a silly way?"

In the real world as we know it, blood transfusions are getting phased out with more and more frequency. If you say otherwise, YOU are the one being willfully ignorant. For anyone who even remotely cares about their relationship with God and understands his view of blood and life, it isn't even a no-brainer: obedience to God comes above everything else, even if it costs us our life. But of course you don't believe in God, you have no respect for the Bible, and so the fact that God promises a resurrection of the dead for the faithful means nothing to you so naturally you maintain that archaic view of blood that you have.

SEDAGIVE, Disqus - Religion 48 Comments [4/12/2017 8:33:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 126266



(The person who made this probably rages at the mere mention of the word “antifa”)

Nobody rages at the words antifa. The group is the laughing stock of the world right now. It’s a bunch of beta males who have to ask their mom to make them a sandwich before they go out and put on masks to LARP on 75 year old Trump supporters in a 12:1 ratio until they are encountered by Based Stickman and beaten back into the depths of Hell whence they came. Had to reblog it just because this shit is too comical.

theangryamerican, Tumblr 26 Comments [4/12/2017 8:33:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 126259

If you look at an incel's situation objectively without preconceptions and without bias, the group really deserve a holocaust-type memorial to remind people of the suffering.

The title should really end with "to remind people and the world of the plight of countless incels that exist today."

PointyBagel, /r/incels 45 Comments [4/12/2017 1:18:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 126258

22 months after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, North Carolina Republican lawmakers have filed a bill nullifying all marriages between people of the same-sex. The bill, which is unconstitutional, falsely invokes the 10th Amendment and claims the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over marriage. It also falsely claims the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over the Christian Bible.

The "Uphold Historical Marriage Act," known as HB780, says, "the ruling of the United States Supreme Court not only exceeds the authority of the Court relative to the State of North Carolina and a vote of the People of the State on an issue pertaining solely to the State of North Carolina and the People of North Carolina but also exceeds the authority of the Court relative to the decree of Almighty God."

It then quotes Genesis 2:24, "a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."

HB780 "declares that the Obergefell v. Hodges decision of the United States Supreme Court of 2015 is null and void in the State of North Carolina." It also declares that marriages "whether created by common law, contracted, or performed outside of North Carolina, between individuals of the same gender are not valid in North Carolina."

The bill's primary sponsors are (photos, in order, above,) Rep. Larry Pittman, Rep. Michael Speciale, and Rep. Carl Ford.

Were the bill ever to become law, it would be declared unconstitutional, and the taxpayers in the State of North Carolina would have to pay court and attorneys fees, which easily could reach more than a million dollars.

North Carolina GOP, The New Civil Rights Movement 34 Comments [4/12/2017 1:17:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126257

This was something that happened when Josh was about 14. Now, more realistically, how many of us did things when we were 14 that we wouldn't want brought up now? There was a reason why David prayed, "Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD." Psalms 25:7 We all do some really dumb things when we're young.

Mary Stephens, homemakerscorner 24 Comments [4/12/2017 1:17:49 AM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 126251

Ove Karlsen, former developer, tested open-source components to see what OS he could build of it. Which resulted in a "low-jitter" linux-kernel config in 2010, which he maintained for a few years. […] None of the linux-environment seemed interested, or understood much of it. Instead he was bothered more and more by the increasing irrationality of GNU ideologists, who both censored him, made irrational claims about jitter, and behaved abusively. After suspecting Richard Stallman, to use hallucingenic drugs, from his personal research on monotheism, and recognizing hallucinogenic art, he found hallucinogenic art on Andrew Tanenbaums book "Operating Systems: Design And Implementation", and coupled with earlier knowing there was hallucinogenic art in Valves Halflife from testing, quit the linux environment, calling it a facistic LSD-sect, with animal idols, and animal behaviour, far removed from any rational computer environment, but instead abused people who worked for free, for illconcieved ideological reasons. And said he would rather have a completely general commercial low-jitter OS, and discontinued his kernel.

ParadoxUncreated (Ove Karlsen), LWN.net 12 Comments [4/11/2017 10:29:02 PM]
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Quote# 126247

Fundies Say the Darndest Things (FSTDT) is a liberal mockery website that is a haven for apostasy, feminism, heresy, homosexual behavior, and the lust of the flesh. The site engages in demonic glorification, gloating, arrogance, pride, and otherwise reprehensible behavior. Unsavory comments allude to desiring carnal relationships, and they have a love affair for Darwinism and they tolerate Taylor Swift the evil harlot succubus. There is no substance on the site, no research, no biblical values, and no other redeeming qualities whatsoever.

James Wilson, New Testament Baptist Church 54 Comments [4/11/2017 10:27:41 PM]
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Quote# 126245

AN organisation is to tour Ireland with an event teaching children that dinosaurs and humans existed on Earth at the same time.

The ‘Prehistoric Preachers Dinosaur Roadshow’ is hosted by Creation Ministries, which promotes the belief that the world is only around 6,000 years old.

The fundamentalist Christian organisation says the roadshow - to visit four venues across the north during May before moving to five locations in the Republic – will teach the “true history of the world to young and old alike”.

Children are offered the chance to sit on life-size replicas of dinosaurs and take home an “educational free gift”.

However, it has been warned that the message that dinosaurs did not die out 65 million years ago flies in the face of conventional understanding of natural history, with one critic dubbing the claims put forward by organisers as “dangerous alternative facts”.

Creation Ministries previously sparked controversy when an event aimed at encouraging the teaching of creationism in the north’s schools was backed by DUP West Tyrone MLA Thomas Buchanan.

The assembly member praised the event last October for “reaching out to children who have been corrupted by the teaching of evolution”.

On its website, Creation Ministries states that “humans and dinosaurs did coexist” and speakers will explain their beliefs at the roadshow venues at churches in Belfast, Derry and Dungannon.

However, Ulster Museum palaeontologist Dr Michael Simms told The Irish News that it was important to teach children “conventional scientific theories”.

“These are accepted by scholars and scientists to describe life on Earth from the earliest evidence of fossils. This is consistent with approaches taken by museums of renown across the world,” he said.

Mainstream science teaches that the last dinosaurs died out suddenly about 65 million years ago, while the fossils of the earliest human ancestors are only about 6 million years old.

Boyd Sleator of the NI Humanists group criticised the teaching of “myths” to children who may be impressionable due to their age.

“This is simply dangerous alternative facts being presented to children in an ‘entertaining’ fashion,” he said.

“There is no evidence for these creationist beliefs, and we have a duty to protect young people from being told there is any basis for them.”

Creation Ministries, Irish News 21 Comments [4/11/2017 10:27:13 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 126242

The Most Beautiful Thing That Can Happen to Planet Earth is the COMPLETE ERADICATION of Islam

Islam is a confirmed deadly mind virus, hell bent of eradicating the life giving FEMININE energies, subjugating the female, and raising of the MALE energies.

The very first Egyptian civilizations boomed owing to the superiority of the FEMININE. This was the GOLDEN age. We have murals showing women ruling, and women with hands over the male Pharaohs. This is the way its supposed to be.

Then along came the satanic forces, and they created a bunch of MALE DOMINATED shoe box cults.
Moham-mad was contacted by evil entities in a dark cave where he supposedly meditated.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 14 Comments [4/11/2017 10:26:42 PM]
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Quote# 126236

An anti-gay pastor who said people massacred at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando “got what they deserved” last year has been convicted on eight charges related to child molestation.

The Florida Times Union reports that a jury this week found 57-year-old pastor Kenneth Adkins guilty of child molestation due to a relationship he had with an underage boy and an underage girl who attended his church seven years ago.

In the case, prosecutors claimed that Adkins had methodically groomed two teenagers to have sexual intercourse with him when they were just 15 years old. The pastor’s male accuser said he wanted to come forward so that the pastor would never again be able to similarly take advantage of young teenagers.

The jury came back with a guilty verdict against Adkins after only one hour of deliberation. He is due to be sentenced on April 25th.

Adkins drew national condemnation last year when he sent out a message on social media attacking the victims of Omar Mateen’s shooting rampage at the Pulse nightclub.

“I don’t see none of them as victims,” Adkins tweeted. “I see them as getting what they deserve!!”

Less than two months later, Adkins was arrested by authorities on charges that he molested two parishioners.

Kenneth Adkins, Raw Story 29 Comments [4/11/2017 10:26:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126234

Christianity is a sane, reasonable faith.
"I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason." Acts 26:25

Many people suspect that putting their faith in Christ involves shutting down their brain and making a blind, emotional leap of faith in denial of everything that their rational mind would have told them had they not chosen to turn it off. Not so.

The Christian faith is based on truth. God exists. Christianity is based on actual historical facts. It is reasonable and true. It can stand the scrutiny of rational minds and bring even scholars and scientists to their knees.

Ed Strauss, Facts: Key Truths for Better Living (book) 20 Comments [4/11/2017 10:25:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 126230

In the case of President Trump, I believe he perceives things before they happen and gets caught in an apparent contradiction – until the thing is manifest.

Lance Wallnau, Facebook 25 Comments [4/11/2017 12:51:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126229

I hope that they will point out that it is the behavior that causes AIDS. That it’s aberrant sexual behavior – male on male homosexual behavior – that is the catalyst for this horrible disease, that it is something that can be prevented simply by not engaging in the behavior that causes it.

Matt Barber, One News Now 18 Comments [4/11/2017 12:51:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126228

The Brownshirts, Iron Guard and other right-wing paramilitaries were formed to defend against communist paramilitaries.

If it wasn't for them, the communists would have seized control of Germany and other European countries through voter and political intimidation.

This is reality. Deal with it.

Matt Forney, Gab 13 Comments [4/11/2017 12:50:10 PM]
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Quote# 126226

[From "Have Christian Schools Turned The Tide?" - Bolding mine]

In the past ten to fifteen years, we have witnessed dramatic growth in the area of Christian Education. Churches and pastors who had never given serious thought to being involved in the Christian School movement are now daily teaching their youngsters in their own school.
The complete victory of godless humanism in public education has left most Christians with no alternative but to assume responsibility of their children's education through the church school, or at home for those responsible and disciplined enough to do so.

As Christian schools began popping up across our nation, many were led to believe that this was the "missing Ingredient" for our youth. Surely we would now see a flood of consecrated youth, zealous for souls and the cause of Christ graduating from these Christian schools. Undoubtedly we would have more applicants for missions, the pastorate and other areas of full-time ministry. A distinctive Christian education would surely produce a new wave of holy living and desire for the separated life that would strengthen our local churches.

The starry-eyed optimist of ten years ago has had to alter his expectations. I have noted no revivals breaking out traced to the graduates of our finest schools. If there are, I would surely be thankful, but I am unaware of any. There are many good and godly youngsters coming from our Christian schools, but these schools have not been a magic answer to an age-old problem.

I remain convinced that the home and the parents of the child are more instrumental in determining a child's character and spirituality than whether or not he has gone through a Christian school.

Whereas I am convinced of the necessity of Christian education, it cannot nulify the destructive, chilling effects of a carnal, lukewarm home. An illustration of this is seen in the lives of some youth, who, though they are, through no fault of their own, kept in a government school, grow in grace and develop Godly character because of their own Godly choices and/or the strengthening influence of their charactered home.

On the other hand, we have received multitudes of troubled youth from Christian homes into our ministry who have been students in some of the finest Christian schools in our land. Despite their Christian education, they remained cold, hard and worldly. Such students know Christian vocabulary, terminology, doctrine and theology. They outwardly conform to long lists of rules and expectations, but inwardly they have a hard heart. Polished on the outside, they inwardly are carnal and worldly. This puts us in mind of Matthew 23:25-27 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness". Also, I Samuel 16:7 "But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth: for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart". Where have these youth learned this duplicitous life-style? I believe from their home.

Many youngsters have learned from their parents how to openly and outwardly espouse fundamental Christianity and privately live as they choose. Such a life-style produces a hard heart. Though the Holy Spirit challenges such a heart with the "foolishness of preaching", conviction of sin, and solid Bible teaching; these things are only affirmed in the mind and no repentence or change of life occurs.

How can a mother, who mocks her Christian school's standards by wearing pants, pants suits, etc., (even to pick up her children after school), ever expect her daughter to stop wearing pants in private? How can a father who fits his Christianity into his life only when it is convenient, ever expect his son to not also choose a religion of convenience? How can a home thoroughly desensitized to the awful wickedness of sin through its television, music and worldly life-style ever expect its children to be holy and separated believers?

[...]

If you see sprouting seeds of this poison, what can you do? We must do what Christ told four of the seven churches in Asia Minor in Revelation two and three. Ephesus, Pergamos, Sardis and Laodicea were each told to repent. To all seven of them he said, "He that has an ear, let him hear what the spirit saith unto the churches". Do you have the ear to hear what is happening to your family? Do you have the discernment to see the need?

Ninevah repented when her king sat in sack cloth and ashes. (Jonah 3) Jacob and his family finally returned to Bethel when he caused them to put away all their strange gods. (Genesis 35) Noah's family was saved because he obeyed the Lord and demanded it of his sons. Abraham produced a Godly child because he was a faithful father. (Genesis 18:19)

Rev. Ronald E. Williams, Faith Bible Baptist Church 18 Comments [4/11/2017 10:11:36 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 126225

Easter Sermon (2017)
By Brother William H. Grimes
"So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof."- Proberbs 1:9. I have a short sermon on Proverbs 1:9 today.
Commercialized holidays are a problem in the West. Easter Sunday is less important to "Christians" than Christmas, and Christmas is a way for corporations to make money off Jesus' birth. Jesus wasn't even born in December, and celebrating the birth of Christ in December is because of Romanist papist heretics and their desire to celebrate the pagan winter solstice as Christians pay big bucks to get the latest iPhone or Nintendo or whatever else is "hot" in consumerist culture. Christ has commanded us to be POOR IN SPIRIT and not trying to "one up" our peers by having the latest gizmos.
Easter is another unnecessary and unbiblical holiday that has nothing to do with the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ. It's the holidays of Peeps and chocolate and unholy relations outside of marriage because "Easter" is a pagan ritual of fertility and the papists have tried to tie this into the resurrection of Christ! We are going about having more commercialism and greed! God commanded that we are poor in spirit!
Therefore, my call for you Christians is to stop celebrating "Easter" and "Christmas" because they are PAGAN RITUALS! Stay at home or go to a church that doesn't engage in such papist heresies as "Easter!" It's time to starve the beast and have this country celebrate God instead of fertility! Jesus never had eggs, but fertility celebrants sure do! If Christians stand up and celebrate and preach the passion, crucifixion, and resurrection of Our Lord on another day we will defeat Romanist popery!

William Grimes, Conservatism Wiki 24 Comments [4/11/2017 10:11:29 AM]
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Quote# 126224

This is a long discussion after the OP. Follow the link to see fundie vs not-so-fundie.

Claim: It is not haram to have homosexual thoughts

This claim is an apologetic one; and it seeks to come to a compromise with homosexuals and their lewdness along with the West and how they promote it and seek to have it accepted and part of the culture.

However, there is no compromise on a subject that the Quran and the Sunnah have already made clear. Thus, the claim that it is not haram to have homosexual thoughts and that one is not considered a sinner until he acts upon it is false. This is the same as saying it is not haram to be gay until you act on it.

It is clear that homosexuality is nothing but a perversion and a disease. There are numerous verses in the Quran about it and how it is referred to as "Al-Fahishah" (Lewdness, an abomination, a vile deed).

“And know that Allah knows what is in your minds, so fear Him”

[al-Baqarah 2:235]

“but He will call you to account for that which your hearts have earned”

[al-Baqarah 2:225].

It is also clear that homosexuality begins as nothing but waswas from the Shaytan. We know that Shaytan and his troops are behind every evil on earth; they entice mankind to commit evil and they beautify shamelessness to them, and that is especially in regards to acts of lewdness in society; so why do we separate Shaytan and his effect on people turning gay? Why do we ignore it and indirectly agree with the kuffar's claim that homosexuality is a natural cause by saying thinking about it is not haram but only acting upon it is?

With the fact established that homosexuality starts as nothing but waswas from the Shaytan (convincing a person that he likes men or women), it is wajib on a person to repel waswas from his mind and evil thoughts as much as he can. If a person watches pornography, lives in a society where they see homosexuality as normal, doesn't lower his gaze from looking at the 'awrah of men and women; then he gets waswas from the devil saying that he likes men; and instead of repelling these evil thoughts, he dwells on them and accepts them; and eventually, he convinces himself that he doesn't like women but he likes men, then the source of the problem is very clear. The means to homosexuality and zina must be cut off, and that includes dwelling upon thoughts regarding them.

As for waswas a person cannot help or just passing thoughts that he does not dwell upon, yes, a person will not be held accountable and there is evidence for that. However, if this happens to someone, he is not considered gay. So a person cannot use this as evidence to say it is not haram to be gay until you act on it. He is only considered gay when he dwells on those thoughts and he accepts that he is not attracted to women, which leads him to act upon it.

Some responses
We are judged by our actions and not our thoughts (as long as we don't dwell on them). If someone is gay but doesn't act on it, then how can you say it's haram? You can't, because their feelings are not a sin and they didn't act on it. . . . .


So it's not an apologetic attitude to have and Muslims really need to do better when faced with these issues, because condemning gay people when they haven't even done anything is stupid and will hurt you and them in the long run.


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I say it is haram because he got waswas from the Shaytan and he didn't repel them. Instead, he dwelt on those thoughts and accepted that he does not like women. For him to accept he does not like women, it is the same as accepting that Allah made him that way. This is the same as saying Allah made him inclined to al-Fahishah. If it is not natural, then it is from the Shaytan. So he must repel the waswas.

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I want to say this is a separate post because it obliterates your claim completely:

You claim that being gay is okay until you act on it. That is the same as saying being an atheist inwardly is okay. Both atheism and homosexuality go against the natural disposition, both of them are from the Shaytan, and both of them are irrational and an abomination.

How many people including Muslims get waswas about the Essence of Allah? Shaytan whispers to someone that Allah does not exist -- prove that He exists. If he does not repel these thoughts and he dwells on them, and he lives in a society that accepts it and he is lax with his prayers and connection to Allah, he will eventually become an atheist (as we see many Muslims do today). The same goes for homosexuality.

The only difference is the society you live in has made you desensitized to homosexuality.

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From what I have read and asked questions of a scholar, it is not a sin to have a thought and to accept it is wrong and to resist and repel that thought and any subsequent thoughts.

Nevertheless, we must be aware that not all homosexuals are lewd and promoting their condition. Some are struggling to live with a very difficult situation as best they can in submission and obedience to Allah (swt) so we need to be mindful of this group in the way we speak about this topic.

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But sister, we cannot call such people homosexuals, these people are simply people who struggle with waswasa and lowering their gaze. Being a homosexual and identifying as such means one has accepted homosexuality. And what's funny is science is trying really hard to prove homosexuality is genetic (giving it a reason for even existing) but so far, nothing great has come up.
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Here's my thought process, homosexuality and heterosexuality is mainly about sex and attraction. If a straight guy is having urges towards every female around, then he should control himself and say "Allah comes first." If a gay guy is having urges towards some guys around, then he should control himself and say "Allah comes first."

If brothers and sisters have issues when it comes to zina, then someone who has attraction to the same gender will feel the same way so it's best to remind them to control their nafs and remember Allah

That is all.

If you feel like this is not the right approach and instead it's better to condemn the person and tell them that everything about them is a sin, then feel free to do it. But my approach is better, because we're all in this together and we all want to go to Jannah.
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sis this quote along with the link that describes how someone may be more genetically inclined to being gay means that I do not mean all kids and people who are/were molested will turn out gay, it simply explains why gay people who think they were born like this turned out this way. "I remember when I was 8 I had a crush on a boy" yet the man who says this was molested at age 5, so of course this will mean he will like boys by age 8 if he were gay, but because he doesn't link the incidence with his orientation, he thinks he is "born" like this. AstaghfiruAllah.

Sister you are failing to realize no one is born gay. Did Allah ta'ala create people born with genetic diseases (God forbid this on all of us and future kids) and condemn them? Did Allah ta'ala create people who have mental and physical disabilities and condemn them? Sub'ana Allah. So why would Allah ta'ala create gay people only to condemn their existence? Okay, let's hypothetically say there is decent proof of a link between genetics and the inclination towards the same sex, but can't they control who they marry? Can't they control such urges? I'll tell you this right now, there is not a single gay man who cannot be intimate with a woman, everything can biologically proceed but it his "preference" that he does not be with a woman.
A person who God forbid, has schizophrenia (genetic mental illness) cannot, for the life of them, control their disease.

And of course, I am nice to everyone. They are just sinners after all. Will they be close friends? Of course not, just like any other person who chooses to openly sin. I do not want to be associated with such people and possibly be influenced. Will I be mean to them and be proud? Of course not. I say Allah yihdeeyon and keep moving.


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"MUSLIMS ARE THE REAL HOMOPHOBES! BOO HOO HOO!"

God bless Chechnya.

[Link to Daily Mail piece on Chechen concentration camp for homosexuals]

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