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Quote# 126371

Good strength to all our brothers and sisters who are battling extra temptations and passions lately. The Evil One knows he is defeated, and the annual commemoration of his humiliation and disenthronment fills him with a rage that he shows by bringing greater battles to Christians.

Don’t believe his lies! Christ’s love is victorious! You can find defense in the prayers of all the saints and the knowledge that your temptations are rooted in illusions, lies and, the knowledge that, as real as they feel, they are really the last desperate act of a defeated and enraged enemy.

goingorthodox, Tumblr 4 Comments [4/16/2017 4:56:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 126370

Should liberals be driven from Christian churches because of their bastardization of basic Christian tenents?

Like deeming sexual deviant partnerships being called marriage? Like situational morality? Like personal productivity and resulting rewards being called greed? The list goes on and on...

Liberals are Hypocrites, Y! answers 15 Comments [4/16/2017 4:56:49 PM]
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Quote# 126369

ROOT: As bad as United Airlines scandal is...not even close to Obama's IRS scandal. Trump needs to compare 1 person mistreated & abused vs. thousands of Republicans targeted, persecuted, punished, intimidated by govt agency by orders of President Obama for their political beliefs. Biggest scandal EVER. Buried by media. Makes United Air scandal look like joke.

Wayne Allyn Root, Wayne Allyn Root's Facebook page 9 Comments [4/16/2017 4:56:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 126368

Saving The Middle Class



Trump’s agenda includes reviving the middle class from the damage of the last 8 years, but not if Schumer can stop him. Political Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2017.

To see more Legal Insurrection Branco cartoons, click here.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 13 Comments [4/16/2017 4:54:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 126367

“How do you explain the millions of children that He lets perish from starvation?”

If you are an atheist, He doesn’t let any children starve to death, because He doesn’t exist. If you believe in evolution it’s simply a matter of survival of the fittest.



Ray Comfort, Ray Comfort's Facebook page 23 Comments [4/16/2017 4:54:18 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 126366

Pauline Hanson: ‘Go buy non-Halal Easter eggs’

Megan Palin, news.com.au @megan_palin

PAULINE Hanson has urged Australians to buy “non-halal” Easter eggs and boycott brands that offer halal-certified products, including Cadbury.

The One Nation Senator made the appeal in a video posted to her Facebook page on Tuesday morning, in line with the party’s stance that buying halal-certified products equates to “financially supporting the Islamisation of Australia”.

Ms Hanson said one of the “biggest complaints” she has received since being elected was about halal certification.

“We see these products out there that are actually halal-certified, Cadbury chocolate for instance, halal-certified,” Ms Hanson said in the video.

News.com.au has contacted Cadbury, which sells several Halal certified products including Easter eggs, for comment.

Ms Hanson went on to plug Cadbury’s competitors including Lindt and Darrell Lea.

“If you want to get product that’s not Halal certified I’d suggest Lindt,” she said.

“And another great one is Darrell Lea, an Australian company not Halal certified.”

“Halal” is the Arabic word for “permissible”, and defines the food that Muslims are allowed to eat.

Halal certification indicates that a product does not contain traces of alcohol, blood or pork — all forbidden in Islam — and can be consumed by Muslims under Islamic religious rules.

It also applies to the way an animal is slaughtered, meaning animals are pre-stunned, but still alive when their throats are cut, so that the blood leaves their bodies.

But for some people and groups, including Reclaim Australia, halal certification is a “religious tax” and a sign that Australia is becoming increasingly “Islamified”.

Ms Hanson said some companies were “misleading” consumers by “not printing (‘halal-certified’) on the wrappers”. She informed supporters the information can instead be found on company websites and urged them to shop for Easter products at local newsagents.

“Go and buy some non-halal Easter eggs and chocolate and have a very happy Easter everyone,” she said.

Many other Australian staples including Vegemite, Bega cheese and Kellogg’s cereals are also halal-certified. As is most bread, milk, cereals and at least 80 per cent of chicken processed Down Under.

Worldwide, the halal market is valued at $2.1 trillion. In Australia, it is worth about $8.5 billion, $1.5 billion of which is in the meat sector.

Ms Hanson told viewers she was still waiting on answers to questions she put on notice to the government about how it was going to respond to recommendations handed down by the third party certification of food inquiry in December 2015.

“They’ve got 30 days to answer the question,” she said.

Pauline Hanson, news.com.au 19 Comments [4/16/2017 4:53:57 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 126365

Science Confirms: Angels Translated the Holy House of Our Lady of Nazareth to Loreto

How did the Holy House take off from its foundations and reappear intact about 2,000 miles away, where it remains to this day?

At a conference organized by the “Amici del Timone” Cultural Center in Staggia Senese, Italy, titled “The Story of the Incredible Move of the House of Mary of Nazareth to Loreto,” a topic was developed which challenges engineering.

Indeed, the Holy House, birthplace of Our Lady and where the Archangel Gabriel announced to her the Incarnation, has been for many centuries in the town of Loreto (Santa Casa di Loreto), in the Marche region of Italy, facing the Adriatic Sea.

However, the Annunciation took place in Nazareth, in the Holy Land, where the foundations of the Holy House remain to this day. When compared with the dimensions and characteristics of the Loreto House, they match perfectly; but the similarities and concordances do not end there.

How did the Holy House take off, so to speak, from its foundations and reappear about 2,000 miles away, where it remains intact to this day?

According to historical evidence, the move took place in the thirteenth century; but how could it have been done given the poor technological resources of the time?

The move is attributed to an angelic action officially recognized by Popes and sustained by saints. However, such authoritative approvals are not intended to explain the material procedure, which carried an object the size of a house from one continent to another practically overnight.

This transfer, however, was confirmed by historical, documentary and archaeological evidence. Once again, for the astonishment of many, science confirms the Church.

Prof. Giorgio Nicolini, who devoted his life of study and research to the case, spoke at this conference. Based on these scientific evidences, he proved indisputably the veracity of the miraculous transfer.

During his lecture, Professor Nicolini demonstrated the existence of many documents and eyewitness accounts of the transfer, which science and human method cannot explain. He also established a chronology of the change of location.

1. On May 9, 1291, the Holy House was still in Nazareth.

2. On the night of May 9 to 10, 1291, it traveled nearly 2,000 miles and reached Tersatto (now Trsat), in the region of Dalmatia, in what is now a suburb of Rijeka, Croatia.

On that occasion, Nicolò Frangipane, feudal lord of Tersatto personally sent a delegation to Nazareth to ascertain whether the Holy House had indeed disappeared from its original place. The emissaries not only verified its disappearance but found the foundation on which the house was built and from which the walls had been taken away as a block. Around these foundations in Nazareth, the Basilica of the Annunciation was built. In Loreto, the Holy House stands firmly, without its foundation, directly on the ground.

3. On the night of December 9 to 10, 1294, the Holy House disappeared from Tersatto and landed “in various places” of Italy. For nine months it stayed on a hillside overlooking the port of Ancona, which thus came to be called “Posatora,” from the Latin “posat et ora” (to set down, or land, and pray).

A church was built on the site as a memorial, as was recorded at the time and signed by a priest “Don Matteo,” probably an eyewitness.

Two tombstones also commemorate this occurrence. One is from the same time period of the event and is written in old Vulgar Latin. The other, from the sixteenth century, is written in vernacular and is a copy of the older.

Posatora’s oldest tombstone already mentioned “Our Lady of Loreto,” making it clear that the inscription was done after the House’s departure from the site.

4. In 1295, after nine months in Posatora, the Holy House moved to a forest that belonged to a woman called Loreta, near the town of Recanati. That is where the name Loreto comes from.

5. Between 1295 and 1296, after spending eight months in this location the Holy House was miraculously transported to a farm on Mount Prodo belonging to two brothers of the Antici family.

6. In 1296, after four months at this farm, the Holy House departed and landed on a public road on Mount Prodo connecting Recanati to Ancona, where it remains to this day.

Countless other elements attest to the historical truth of this inexplicable translation of the Holy House. Three churches were built in Ancona—two still existing—testaments that eyewitnesses saw the “flying” Santa Casa arrive in Ancona and stop in Posatora.

Moreover, in Forio, on Ischia Island, fishermen who traded with Ancona returned narrating the events that had taken place in 1295. Their reports led the city inhabitants to erect a basilica dedicated to “Santa Maria di Loreto.” They also saw the Holy House in Ancona with their own eyes.

Various bishops of the region approved the veneration of the miraculous translations. For centuries the Popes renewed the approvals until Urban VIII, in 1624, definitively established December 10 as the Feast of the Translation of the Holy House of Mary, Mother of God.

Several Popes, including Paul II, Julius II, Leo X, Pius IX, Leo XIII and Pius XI documented their recognition of the translation. These respective documents, beyond their religious aspect in which the Popes recognize the event as supernatural, are recognized as valuable documents by historical science.

Professor Nicolini strongly reprimanded the materialistic mentality, at times agnostic, atheistic or Protestant, which seeks to discredit the authenticity of the Holy House venerated in Loreto.

In a way, this opposition encouraged deeper studies, which ended up proving the Holy House actually came from the Holy Land. Proofs include the chemical composition of the material used to build the house, its shape, and many architectural details.

Some, denying the angelic translation, went so far as to fabricate a story that a fanciful princely family from Epirus named “Angeli” had dismantled the house and transported it brick by brick at the request of the Crusaders facing the destructive advance of Muslims. That “family” then rebuilt the house in Loreto.

Such an operation, with the transportation conditions of the thirteenth century, would have been a more miraculous feat than the angelic translation.

The stones and bricks are kept together with a mortar whose physical and chemical composition is found only in Palestine and precisely in the region of Nazareth. They are nonexistent in the Marche region or anywhere else in Italy.

Moreover, if the house was dismantled and rebuilt in place after place along its journey—as claimed by its fanciful objectors—one cannot understand how it could possibly have maintained the exact geometric proportions of the Nazareth house, whose foundations, to this day, match perfectly the walls of Loreto.

Nor would it have been possible that nobody saw or heard the house being dismantled and later rebuilt, especially in the brief span of one night in the center of the shrine in Nazareth and then again in Croatia and Italy.

Even more inexplicable is the fact that the Holy House finally came to rest across an old dirt highway. On this road, the passage of animals and carriages naturally opened ruts in the center of the roadway, raising the roadsides, and forming ditches on both sides. Thus, the way the house landed, its three walls, with no foundation, are supported partly on ground and partly over open air. Today pilgrims can see this for themselves through a glass floor.

The Recanati City Hall, moreover, had already at that time forbidden the building of houses on public roads and had ordered demolished all buildings found to be in violation of the ordinance. How, then, could someone have rebuilt a house cutting across the road without anyone noticing?

Another great hurdle comes from the lack of means in those days to carry an entire house, even if dismantled brick by brick and stone by stone. It would weigh a few tons. Transport by road would have likely been unfeasible due the delay and the amount of chariots, animals and men it would require. Transportation by sea, while more feasible, would also have been too time-consuming and prone to loss due to storms.

More complicated still would be to cut the walls in segments and take them intact on a 2,000 mile journey and then glue them back together without leaving traces of the joints. These material factors, Prof. Giorgio Nicolini explained, postulate the impossibility of such transportation with the technical means of the time.

From Professor Nicolini’s long and detailed demonstration it is clearly much more reasonable to believe the angelic translation resulting from a wondrous work of God, for Whom nothing is impossible, and Who has worked far greater miracles.

For human hands to have performed such a translation is to consider an event even more miraculous than that done by the work of angels.

Luis Dufaur , The American Society for the Defense of TRADITION, FAMILY AND PROPERTY 15 Comments [4/16/2017 4:53:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 126363


Magic is not always about sleight of hand, trap doors, hidden compartments, smoke and mirrors or something up the sleeve. I have seen some amazing street magic in India.

Today's trend to show magic right in the middle of a crown, on a personal one to one basis and without elaborate costumes, is great and shows us that there are many things that we don't understand. Maybe even the magicians themselves don't fully understand what they are doing......

We may choose to dismiss these events as 'tricks', illusions or a con. But fact is that they clearly defy our understanding of normal life and normal laws of nature.

Yeah...I've heard of James Randi and his 1 million prize....but regardless of that, magic goes on merrily, growing every day!

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 14 Comments [4/16/2017 4:53:07 PM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 126361

Over the last several weeks, Christians angry and upset with me for not supporting Donald Trump have emailed to tell me my wife has lung cancer because I am opposing God's chosen candidate. The other day I got an email from a man who wrote, "I have come to learn after listening to so many prophesies that God DOES have his hand on DJT! You, of all people, who are studying the Bible, KNOW about CYRUS, DAVID, SAUL OF TARSUS, etc. were used for God's purposes! God can even use a donkey." The all-caps were his. I agree with him that God can use even donkeys, just like Hillary Clinton.

Various e-mailers, Townhall 8 Comments [4/16/2017 4:52:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Hu's On First

Quote# 126358

And no man who claims he has a "husband" can be trusted to speak correctly about logic, let alone morals. You are not married anymore than you are a crocodile.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 21 Comments [4/16/2017 4:51:21 PM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 126356

Dinosaurs never existed, it's all a fabricated lie to fool the world into thinking God doesn't exist. There were never any dinosaur bones found, not one society who's job entailed excavating the earth, ever found dino bones, but all of a sudden, in the 18 hundreds a supposed dino tooth was found.
All these supposed dino skeleton's are nothing but the mixed bones of other animals mixed with mammals. The whole thing was started by a bunch of Freemasonic Satanists and it's funny that it happened around the same time as Satanic Charles Darwin another freemason.?

David Fleming, youtube 8 Comments [4/16/2017 4:51:02 PM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 126355



Henry Johnson and Joe Tylor, Omniology.com 6 Comments [4/16/2017 4:50:55 PM]
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Quote# 126349

as many of the heavy metal rock bands of today are doing. “Satan, we give you our soul—now you give us popularity! You give us money! You give us power!” And that’s happening today. And our young people are flocking to Satanism now in unprecedented….

Johanna Michaelsen, John Ankerberg show 22 Comments [4/15/2017 11:28:10 AM]
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Quote# 126347

The reality of your conscious choice is aptly demonstrated by your ability claim that cognitive science suggests that it is an illusion. The fact that cognitive science is unable to fully define how conscious choice occurs does not prove that it does not exist. Our demonstrable ability to make conscious choices is clear evidence of our spiritual nature which is currently beyond the realms of human understanding.


Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 8 Comments [4/15/2017 11:27:58 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 126345

Voodoo - not Christianity - is the number one influence over the African-American community right now. (The same goes for African and Caribbean cultures too.)

Many of today's youth - and adults - are under the direct demonic influence of African voodoo; and they don't even know it.

I'll be talking more about this in my upcoming ebook. Because many are totally ignorant to the greatest spiritual warfare in our generation taking place right in front of them. And they haven't the slightest clue.

Voodoo influences just about all of modern day black culture: including our music, festivals, college frats and sororities, street gangs, the drug culture and our entertainment; especially the rappers and singers.



Take the recent photo shoot by this popular rapper in the image above. To the untrained mind this is just some guy posing with a weird dark background. But I've been studying the occult influence within the entertainment industry long enough to know what this photo shoot REALLY represents.

This rapper is letting you know exactly what spiritual influence he's placed himself under; and he's giving honor to the deity he most likely serves the most. He's paying respect to the voodoo god called Eleggua.

And he's not the only one. A lot of your favorite rappers - both male and female - pay homage to various voodoo gods and spirits. When you know what to look for you can easily see it, even in the colors of the beaded bracelets that they quietly wear.

The Church has to get more astute at recognizing the demonic spiritual influences that are over our youth. Many of you reading this are raising children in church: and while your kid sits in church every Sunday, they're really under the dark spiritual influence of these voodoo practicing entertainers.

Some of you are under this influence yourself. And once that door gets opened it's only a matter of time before your child is entertaining demonic spirits in their life.

So you need to make it your business to know what's influencing your child and more importantly how to nullify that influence by covering your household under the blood of Jesus Christ.

Start taking your Christian faith and the power it contains seriously. These are not the days to get caught slipping. And if you find yourself being entertained by demons, you need to clean up your act.

Stop straddling the fence and make an affirmative decision to roll with Christ till the end. The bible makes it clear that you cannot be influenced by Jesus Christ and demonic spirits at the same time!

"You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord's Table and at the table of demons, too." 1 Corinthians 10:21

Be informed, be faithful, be aware and be educated. That's how you escape the deadly traps of the enemy in this hour.

"So that Satan will not outsmart us. For we are familiar with his evil schemes." 2 Corinthians 2:11

"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Mack Major, Facebook 17 Comments [4/15/2017 11:25:56 AM]
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Quote# 126340

Pope Francis: who am I to judge?



More on this fundie:
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/girl-in-the-picture

Emily Thomes, Facebook (mirrored at ChristianForums.com) 17 Comments [4/15/2017 11:24:09 AM]
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Quote# 126338



AIG, Answer In Genesis 20 Comments [4/15/2017 11:23:55 AM]
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Submitted By: P.E..T.F

Quote# 126337

Modern, young, metrosexual, multicultural, social justice mongering lefties are idiots. They are idiots wherever found, all over the world. They are spoiled children; ill-mannered, ill-bred, weak, ignorant, and stupid. They are historically illiterate. They have no idea of how the world really works. The only ideas they have outside of the fever swamps contained within their neutronium-dense skulls, filled to the brim with professorial sewage, are the kind of ideas that can only survive inside the echo chamber of a safe space. They are, frankly, disgusting, and the similarities between them and actual human beings are minimal. Morally, intellectually, spiritually, they are cockroaches. Were it not that some of them are possibly larval stage human beings, creatures who may eventually grow up to be actual human beings, there would be little or no moral component to gassing them.

Tom Kratman, EveryJoe 17 Comments [4/15/2017 11:23:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Citizen Justin

Quote# 126335

May we repent on behalf of our nation for turning from God and looking to Big Government to be our lawgiver, judge, and king and provider, rather than our Jealous God, who alone has the power to heal, prosper, bless, and guide ours or any nation. May God give our president, Speaker Paul Ryan, Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, the entire GOP majority in both Houses, and the Democrats who are willing to work with the majority, wisdom, patience, guidance, and the ability to come to united agreement over this initiative. May God work miracles in our legislative branch to heal the breach between the parties and personalities, and allow enough cooperation for our nation to move forward.

Watchmen on the Wall, Family Research Council 14 Comments [4/15/2017 11:23:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126334

When I hear Christian voices undermining Cyrus Trump or confusing people’s minds I want to block them before they poison more people.

Lance Wallnau, Facebook 10 Comments [4/15/2017 11:15:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126332

Arthur Belling:
Listen Sedagive, I had a real life blood disease. It was called Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpura or TTP for short. The treatment involved getting plasma infusions - I was given fresh frozen plasma in a process called plasmapheresis. There was no "bloodless" option for me. It was that or DIE. How very sweet and compassionate of you and members of your faith to tell me that I should HAVE ELECTED TO DIE rather than have this procedure done. So don't tell me my views are "archaic", practically everyone who got this disease before the 1950s died from it. Your heartless standpoint is so utterly horrible I can't even find the words for your lack of compassion.

Pizzarrhea:
Dude that's harsh. He would have died without the transfusion, and you're saying that's what he should have done?

Sedagive:
Re-read what I said. I said for anyone who remotely cares about God, about God's laws, and has a grasp on God's promise of the resurrection for those faithful, they'd have properly refused a transfusion. Since none of that applies to him, it doesn't matter, does it?

Pizzarrhea:
So you think he should have chosen to die...really?

Sedagive:
Yep, I would have.

Pizzarrhea:
Are you even listening to yourself? A life can be saved with a simple medical procedure and you think he should choose to die?

Sedagive:
Are you even listening to YOURSELF? A life may be saved temporarily, only to be lost permanently because of disobeying God. I'd rather die than lose out on that promise of living forever. Hmmm.....MAYBE live a little longer now but lose out on living forever. Or....MAYBE dying now, but promised to be restored to life with the chance to live forever. It's not even a question of the sane choice.

Sedagive, Disqus - Religion 16 Comments [4/15/2017 11:15:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 126330

Evidence proves nothing, and Dr. Lisle knows this and teaches this. He is merely pointing out that all observable objects or "evidence" is judged according to one's worldview. DNA does show we Christians evidence of God's mighty work. The unbeliever has no choice but to assign some other explanation. It is a fallacy to believe that anyone can be "objective", unbiased, as the self-declared "rationalist" or "reasonable" person claims. The critic of creationism is delusional to believe that this ordered universe came about accidently by random chance. Darwinian evolution is a mere attempt to explain the origin of everything with the insistence that there is no god. To say that there is no god is to insist that one has been everywhere in the universe, has access to all knowledge, and that if there is a God, He must appear to them on their terms. No wonder the Scriptures record God's judgment of such people as fools.?

Pastor Matthew, youtube 12 Comments [4/15/2017 11:14:33 AM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 126329

On his radio program last month, rabidly anti-LGBTQ pastor Kevin Swanson railed against the current remake of “Beauty and The Beast,” not only for featuring a gay character but also for supposedly promoting “inter-species breeding.”

Swanson said that the movie was an “insidious” effort to “homosexualize the next generation of eight and ten-year-old kids” and ensure that they are “indoctrinated into the homosexual lifestyle.”

“This is how revolutions take place,” he said. “You are in the middle of a cultural revolution in the United States of America. No, this is not the cultural revolution that Mao Tse-tung brought to China; this is a different kind of cultural revolution, but I’m going to say it’s just about as dangerous … though a bit more insidious.”

Even worse, Swanson said, the film is promoting inter-species breeding, which he said Hollywood has been pushing since the days of Star Trek.

“Christians, I don’t believe, can allow for this,” Swanson stated. “Humans are made in the image of God. Humans are assigned a spouse which happens to be a member of the opposite sex. Friends, God’s law forbids it … Christians should not allow for this, man. We cannot allow for humans to interbreed with other species. It’s just wrong, wrong, wrong. It’s confusion, it’s unnatural.”

“We are in some of the most radical, most anti-biblical, the most immoral, the most unethical, the most wicked sexual environment that the world has ever known, right now,” he warned.

Kevin Swanson, Right Wing Watch 18 Comments [4/15/2017 11:14:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 126328

Evolution is just a testament to the cult/zealot/sheep mentality of man. No evidence yet I BELIEVE

M Taylor, youtube 8 Comments [4/15/2017 11:13:51 AM]
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Quote# 126325

Muslim men are allowed to hit their wives if they disobey them and domestic violence is a 'beautiful blessing', according to the women's branch of a radical Islamic group.

Sydney primary school teacher Reem Allouche told the women's arm of hardline political group Hizb ut-Tahrir that men are permitted to hit women with sticks.

During the 30-minute discussion at a meeting in Sydney's west, Ms Allouche and fellow panellist Atika Latifi - who are both wearing headscarves - describe how beating women is a 'symbolic act'.

At one point they even demonstrated how to use a small stick called a 'sivaak' to hit 'disobedient' women.

In a video of the debate, which has been posted on Facebook, Ms Allouche says men should use the sivaak to punish their wives.

She then uses one of the sticks to hit Ms Latifi while the pair laugh.

Other permissible methods to punish women involve using a twisted scarf or piece of fabric, the women say.

Ms Allouche says the act is 'symbolic', while Ms Latifi claims it's 'a beautiful blessing'.

The women agree that they should only be beaten if they are caught 'committing sin' - pointing out that this means seriously disrespecting Allah or their husbands.

'Disobedience to the husband. Immoral acts or cheating. Admitting anyone to the home that the husband doesn't like,' Ms Latifi explains.

Ms Allouche smiles as she adds that does not mean a man can beat his wife simply for not cooking dinner, with the women agreeing that violence should only be used to 'promote tranquility'.

The pair agree that men have the right to beat their wives because husbands take a 'leadership' position within the family.

'It goes hand in hand that he would have the right to undertake disciplinary ­measures,' Ms Allouche says.

Ms Latifi adds: 'He is permitted - not obliged, not encouraged - but permitted, to hit her. That is what everyone is talking about. It should not cause pain. Not harsh.'

During the debate, Ms Allouche says wives who disobey Muslim teachings could face a beating from their husband, but only because 'he loves his wife, he fears for his wife'.

'It's almost a natural consequence,' she adds.

'He's not responding through anger or frustration or rage. He's responding in obedience to Allah's commands, in a measured and staged way, because we know when people talk about violence against women, often it happens in the heat of the moment, in anger, in frustration and what-not, whereas here, it's managed.'

Ms Latifi claims violence should be a last resort for husbands, saying they should admonish them first.

If that does not work, he should 'refuse to share the bed with her, not being intimate with her'.

Finally, if that does not work, he 'is permitted to hit her'.

'And what a beautiful blessing, that he said not to take the steps at the one time, but one after the other,' she continues.

'And what is the third option all about? What kind of hitting? It should not cause pain.'

The all-women meeting was held in Lakemba in Sydney's inner west, The Australian reported.

The government considered banning Hizb ut-Tahrir in 2007 but eventually deemed it to be a political group.

Islamic leader Keysar Trad apologised at the weekend for saying hitting women was a 'last resort', admitting to Sky News presenter Andrew Bolt that he had made a 'slip up'.


Reem Allouche and Atika Latifi, The Daily Mail 11 Comments [4/15/2017 11:13:07 AM]
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