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One by one, the 120 events on the special list God had given me while I was in his Throne Room, began to take place in the exact order listed! God had told me that these were markers along the road in confirmation of my visit to the Throne Room!



While I was there, God took me in a vision to my own office on earth, and let me see a lady who had been involved in witchcraft. He didn't tell me her name, but in one split second I saw this woman clearly and distinctly and noticed all the details of her appearance. In the vision, God told me to bind the spirits, cast them out, and set her free, and I did just that!



The following Tuesday night, a woman came into my office dressed exactly as God had shown her to me, and she was completely set free just as I had seen her in the vision in heaven. This was item number one on the list.



While I was in heaven, the Lord also let me see myself ministering in a place of real need. I didn't see the congregation as such, but I saw people who had various types of spiritual and physical bondages, and the Lord was beautifully giving them new life and victory. The name of the place was Christian Life Center, but it definitely wasn't our church.



On the following Monday, we received a telephone call from a pastor of a church in a very small town in Washington. God had placed it on his heart to call me and have me minister in his church. He didn't know why, but he KNEW that he had to call me. We checked the calendar and my wife called him back some definite dates. When he answered the telephone she was amazed to hear these words, "Christian Life Center!" There it was, just like God had shown me! That was item number two.



One of the reasons I get excited about this is that when God says something, we don't have to follow him around and keep reminding him, nudging him, and saying, "God, I have to keep an eye on you to make sure that you do the things you said you would." God had to remind me several times, "You tend to your business, and I'll tend to mine." He jogged my memory over and over again as he repeated these same words! If he doesn't do what he said he would, there isn't anything I can do about it, but I know he will. I trust him, and he has never failed! If he doesn't do it today, he probably has it on his schedule for tomorrow. But he will do it! You don't ever have to worry about that!



Event number four on the list related to a man who was to accept Christ on February 4, 1977, and who would die on May 30 in an airplane crash! God saved him on the exact day he said he would!



He was in our services on the Friday before he died, and asked to have lunch with me, saying, "There are some things I just have to talk to you about." As we ate together he said, "Pastor, I have a strange feeling that I might be going to die. Will you tell me everything you can about heaven?"



I had to bite my lip because I KNEW what was going to happen, but couldn't tell him. God had said I could not because of the impact it would have on other lives! However, I did tell him everything I could about heaven!



Just exactly as God had said over four months before, he went to be with the Lord on May 30, 1977, when he was killed in an airplane crash!



Another exciting event, number 34, concerns a young man who had sold out his life to Satan as a satanic priest. The Lord had given me his name and had even let me see him. On God's designated date, he came into the church and I recognized him, greeted him, and told him to come back into my office. God saved him, blotted out all of the old evil that was in him, and gave him new hope and new victory! Here is a letter I recently received from him:

As I related my life to you on April 9, 1977, you didn't seem surprised at anything I said. It was if you already knew! I discovered later that you did because my name was on a list you had received from the Throne Room of the Almighty God. You had been expecting me, and it was no surprise to you that I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. My life had been a series of ups and downs. I was raised in a parsonage and had been to the altar many times, but somehow I never completely surrendered. I wandered from place to place, unsettled, undisciplined, with no purpose to my life, finally ending up in a spiritualist center. I became a medium and minister, holding seances and giving readings. Controlled by demons, I had sunk as low as a man can go. Truly "my house was left unto me desolate" (Matthew 23:38). As I tried to break away from this way of life, my home became infested with rats that would not be killed! I lost my home, my dignity, and then my family. I had no place to go. I called my mom and dad in Idaho, and found that they still loved me. I left the spiritualist center and came to Idaho, and like the prodigal son, I was welcomed home! In a short time the Lord gave my family back to me and my wife and I took a trip to Hawaii. We met a couple there from Boise who invited us to your church. PRAISE THE LORD! There is a white flag that stands in my office. It reads: "I HAVE SURRENDERED!"
/s/ Jim Olson

Item number 63 was another one which God actually allowed me to see and witness in detail before it happened. It concerned a family who were having serious marital problems. While I was in heaven, I saw them coming into my office and noticed the date was on the paper when this was to occur.



When the date arrived, these particular people didn't show up. I wondered what had happened, so I decided to stay a little while longer at my office. A short time after my normal closing hour, the telephone rang and a person who didn't identify himself, said, "Pastor Buck, will you be in your office for a little while?" I said, "Yes." He didn't tell me who he was.



When they came to the door, I greeted them BY NAME! This really shook them up! Then I asked, "What brought you here?" They said they had been having terrible marital problems and decided they would have to go someplace to clear the air. They didn't know why, but they had decided to come to Boise, Idaho.



"We drove up here, rented a motel room, and when we got inside the room, we noticed the telephone book was lying open to the spot where you have your ad which reads, 'Counseling by appointment'."



Instantly I knew that one of those angels had been there ahead of time and had opened the directory to the right place, and had also arranged at the front desk for them to get the right room.



As we conversed, the lady said, "We have had a good time driving up here together, things are all straightened out, and everything is going to be all right, so we won't waste your time. We'll be leaving now!"



I said, "No, you had better stay here, because that isn't the way it is." I told them that God had let me see this event happening months before. I said to the wife, "You have a gun in your purse, and you are planning to shoot your husband as soon as you get back to your motel."



He was really alarmed, and exclaimed, "You'd better not shoot me!" She was shaking all over. I said, "Open your purse and give me that gun!"



She opened her purse and handed me the gun exactly as I had seen it happen before. Then her very soul cried out to God! She knew there was no way I could have known anything about the gun unless God had told me, and he had let me know about it almost six months before it happened!



Both of them immediately fell down on their faces before God. He washed their sins away and instantly put their marriage back together. I have had one beautiful letter from them since then. They are going to a good church in California, happy in the Lord and serving God!



God told me he wasn't listing everything that would happen. He said, "I just want to pick out a few things so you can see by confirmation that I am really on the job!" There were undoubtedly hundreds of happenings between each of these events, but he let me see just a few to have as markers along the road. People have asked me what is going to happen when all 120 events have come to pass. I would like to say that the future events are planned in advance, just as much as they were planned in the past, only I don't know about them, but you can rest assured God has everything all mapped out!



An interesting item on the list concerned a Jewish man who owns a great chain of restaurants. Through a beautiful set of circumstances he met and accepted Jesus as his Savior. Evidence of his experience was seen by his desire that the hundreds of employees in these restaurants across the country would have the same opportunity. He said, "Surely God cares as much about these employees as he does about me." When he told me who he was, my spirit leaped inside of me because his name was number 112!



Number 113 of the 120 events which God entered on this paper from my book in heaven on January 21, 1977, was the selection of a new pope. God told me the pope has no more influence with him than the least of his saints, and has no greater privileges, but because his influence with man is great, his choice is God's concern. Therefore, in order to help in the restoration of his fragmented body, God had chosen a man named Karol Wojtyla of Poland. This prophecy was fulfilled October 16, 1978, when he began his reign as Pope John Paul II.



Number 116 on the list had to do with Red China. God told me not to panic when diplomatic relations with Red China were restored, and Taiwan was seemingly cut off. God has not forgotten nor forsaken his people. God has chosen to open the doors so that through this small opening the bright rays of his light can shine, bringing light and deliverance from chains of darkness.



One of the things God told me when he brought me back from heaven was, "I will come to you again." How I love him! He has revisited me over and over again by means of these heavenly angelic beings with messages for today's world!



In answer to those who ask if angel beings will come at my call - this is not possible! They do not respond to human beings, because they don't take orders from anyone except God. I have heard many people say, "I command the angels to do this and that!" This is an effort in futility, because you can't command an angel to do one thing!



Every single order comes from God, and that is why I know when they are speaking they are echoing words right out of God's heart. This is why they don't listen to the objections of people when God orders them to minister to individuals.



"For since the messages from angels have always proved true and people have always been punished for disobeying them, what makes us think that we can escape if we are indifferent to this great salvation announced by the Lord Jesus himself, and passed on to us by those who heard him speak?" (Hebrews 2:2-3 TLB).



My visit to the Throne Room has changed my life completely! I know God in a more real and personal way than ever before. My times of prayer have become visits with him. The Bible took on a new dimension and began to live. It is apparent that this experience became a big part of my entire life for it has occupied almost all of my thoughts and meditations since it happened. Though I do not have the benefit of the heavenly paper since God turned it into ashes, every item written on it was burned into my mind like a photograph.



I have often mentally gone over the various items on the list wondering how God would bring them to pass. Some of the things looked like total impossibilities. Upon occasion I mused over these seemingly difficult prophecies, jotted down my thoughts, and dropped them into my files. Recently, for my personal enjoyment, I drew out some of these papers.



One was dated February 4, 1977, just two weeks after the Throne Room experience when most of the prophecies were still in the future. It read, "How can these things happen? He was saved today, but it also shows his death in an airplane accident, May 30, 1977, Memorial Day. I surely don't understand why."



As I think of the long list of events which have already been fulfilled, and these predictions that God said would definitely take place, I cannot help but thank him because he has kept his word. 117 of these great events, these prophecies by God, have been fulfilled in sequence. The other three are in the process of being fulfilled at the time of this writing.


Roland Buck, angels on assignment 9 Comments [8/11/2017 12:15:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 130401

Pathetic. When once the atheist community was, very briefly, at the very forefront of scepticism, now you are the arrière-garde of the mainstream, the mindless foot soldiers of the status quo, the obedient lapdogs of the powers that be. Scoff at right-leaning wrong think but don't dare step out of line and criticize Islamic barbarism, anti-white racism or unscientific leftist narratives about human biodiversity or culture! No no no, don't dare do that! Disregard the plethora of evidence, CNN would never cut live feeds whenever a guest states uncomfortable facts! YouTube videos showing dozens of examples of this? Ha ha, don't be silly, everyone knows video is an illegitimate means of conveying information, only idiots watch YouTube videos (you say, after your tenth cat video of the day).

http://www.atheistthinktank.org/thinktank/index.php/topic,1639.0.html

Look at this. This is what you are now. Intellectual and moral cowards. You'll chuckle at the old Christian lady who prays for good health, but won't dare challenge the issue of the religion which preaches enslavement and murder, whose 70 IQ, inbred adherents are invading the West and raping Her women. The atheist community is sad and weak. Since the alt-right exploded onto the political landscape mere years ago, almost everything they've wanted has happened. And you, utterly ignorant and helplessly lost, you really just don't understand why, do you? It's because you get your political opinions from empty headed celebrity tweets and garbage leftist rags whose every author has a name ending in Stein, that's why. Oy vey!

Samide, FSTDT 10 Comments [8/11/2017 12:15:31 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 130399

It may help to recognize that the spiritual inability of unbelievers to repent (without God’s help) is self-imposed. They reject God’s offers of mercy and salvation, but not because of any physical inability. Rather, they have absolutely no desire to repent because they hate God’s law and they love their sin. Jesus says as much in John 3:19-20.

And so the analogy of someone with Down’s Syndrome being imprisoned because he cannot act normal is not fitting because such a person does desire to behave normally, but is physically unable to do so – the opposite of the situation with unbelievers. They do have the physical ability to obey God’s law and even to repent, but they have absolutely no desire to do so because they hate God’s law and love their sin.

A better analogy is a violent murderer who has been repeatedly offered forgiveness if only he will repent and stop murdering. But he doesn’t repent because he hates people and just loves murdering them. Is the man able to stop murdering? In one sense, yes, because his choice to murder is free and not due to external compulsion. But in another sense, no, because he will do what he desires, what he freely chooses: to murder. His spiritual inability to repent is self-imposed because he loves doing what he does. The conviction and capital punishment of such a wicked person would certainly be fair. Likewise, unbelievers do have a choice, and it is genuine. The problem is that they will choose to reject Christ every time because it is what they want – unless God changes their heart. Unbelievers do not end up in hell because they have no choice, but rather because they do have a choice and, left to themselves, they will always choose hell (Psalm 14:2-3).


Jason Lisle, jason lisle blog 13 Comments [8/11/2017 12:13:28 PM]
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Quote# 130398

Atlanta gym bans police officers, military from joining
Wednesday, August 9th 2017, 5:54 pm EDT
By J.T. Fellows, Digital Content Producer

ATLANTA (AP) - An Atlanta gym owner has banned police officers and military members from working out at his facility.

Jim Chambers put up a sign on the door of EAV Barbell Club that used an expletive to announce that police aren't welcome there. Chambers tells WXIA-TV that his gym has "had an explicitly stated 'No Cop' policy" since it opened. He says active members of the military also aren't eligible for membership.

The Atlanta Police Department tells the station that the policy wouldn't prevent them from responding to an emergency at the gym.

Chambers says he's taken the sign down due to its vulgarity but plans to replace it with a clean version. He told the station that people who work out there are generally minorities who are uncomfortable with law enforcement.

Jim Chambers, WIS 18 Comments [8/10/2017 3:40:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 130393

I'm Gay and I Oppose Same-Sex Marriage

While religion and tradition have led many to their positions on same-sex marriage, it’s also possible to oppose same-sex marriage based on reason and experience.

“I know in my heart that man is good, that what is right will always eventually triumph, and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.” These words, spoken by Ronald Reagan in 1991, are framed on the wall above my desk. As a gay man, I’ve adopted them as my own, as I’ve entered the national discussion on same-sex marriage.

I wholeheartedly support civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, but I am opposed to same-sex marriage. Because activists have made marriage, rather than civil unions, their goal, I am viewed by many as a self-loathing, traitorous gay. So be it. I prefer to think of myself as a reasoning, intellectually honest human being.

The notion of same-sex marriage is implausible, yet political correctness has made stating the obvious a risky business. Genderless marriage is not marriage at all. It is something else entirely.

Opposition to same-sex marriage is characterized in the media, at best, as clinging to “old-fashioned” religious beliefs and traditions, and at worst, as homophobia and hatred.

I’ve always been careful to avoid using religion or appeals to tradition as I’ve approached this topic. And with good reason: Neither religion nor tradition has played a significant role in forming my stance. But reason and experience certainly have.

Learning from Experience

As a young man, I wasn’t strongly inclined toward marriage or fatherhood, because I knew only homosexual desire.

I first recognized my strong yearning for men at age eight, when my parents took me to see The Sound of Music. While others marveled at the splendor of the Swiss Alps displayed on the huge Cinerama screen, I marveled at the uniformed, blond-haired Rolfe, who was seventeen going on eighteen. That proclivity, once awakened, never faded.

During college and throughout my twenties, I had many close friends who were handsome, athletic, and intelligent, with terrific personalities. I longed to have an intimate relationship with any and all of them. However, I enjoyed something far greater, something which surpassed carnality in every way: philia (the love between true friends)—a love unappreciated by so many because eros is promoted in its stead.

I wouldn’t have traded the quality of my relationships with any of these guys for an opportunity to engage in sex. No regrets. In fact, I always felt like the luckiest man on the planet. Denial didn't diminish or impoverish my life. It made my life experience richer.

Philia love between men is far better, far stronger, and far more fulfilling than erotic love can ever be. But society now promotes the lowest form of love between men while sabotaging the higher forms. Gay culture continues to promote the sexualization of all (viewing one’s self and other males primarily as sexual beings), while proving itself nearly bankrupt when it comes to fostering any other aspect of male/male relationships.

When all my friends began to marry, I began to seriously consider marriage for the first time. The motive of avoiding social isolation may not have been the best, but it was the catalyst that changed the trajectory of my life. Even though I had to repress certain sexual desires, I found marriage to be extremely rewarding.

My future bride and I first met while singing in a youth choir. By the time I popped the question, we had become the very best of friends. “Soul mates” is the term we used to describe each other.

After a couple of years of diligently trying to conceive, doctors informed us we were infertile, so we sought to adopt. That became a long, arduous, heartbreaking process. We ultimately gave up. I had mixed emotions—disappointment tempered by relief.

Out of the blue, a couple of years after we resigned ourselves to childlessness, we were given the opportunity to adopt.

A great shock came the day after we brought our son home from the adoption agency. While driving home for lunch, I was suddenly overcome with such emotion that I had to pull the car off to the side of the road. Never in my life had I experienced such pure, distilled joy and sense of purpose. I kept repeating, “I’m a dad,” over and over again. Nothing else mattered. I knew exactly where I fit in within this huge universe. When we brought home his brother nearly two years later, I was prepared: I could not wait to take him up in my arms and declare our kinship and my unconditional love and irrevocable responsibility for him.

Neither religion nor tradition turned me into a dedicated father. It was something wonderful from within—a great strength that has only grown with time. A complete surprise of the human spirit. In this way and many others, marriage—my bond with the mother of my children—has made me a much better person, a person I had no idea I had the capacity to become.

Intellectual Honesty and Surprise Conclusions

Unfortunately, a few years later my marriage ended—a pain known too easily by too many. At this point, the divorce allowed me to explore my homosexuality for the first time in my life.

At first, I felt liberated. I dated some great guys, and was in a couple of long-term relationships. Over several years, intellectual honesty led me to some unexpected conclusions: (1) Creating a family with another man is not completely equal to creating a family with a woman, and (2) denying children parents of both genders at home is an objective evil. Kids need and yearn for both.

It took some doing, but after ten years of divorce, we began to pull our family back together. We have been under one roof for over two years now. Our kids are happier and better off in so many ways. My ex-wife, our kids, and I recently celebrated Thanksgiving and Christmas together and agreed these were the best holidays ever.

Because of my predilections, we deny our own sexual impulses. Has this led to depressing, claustrophobic repression? No. We enjoy each other’s company immensely. It has actually led to psychological health and a flourishing of our family. Did we do this for the sake of tradition? For the sake of religion? No. We did it because reason led us to resist selfish impulses and to seek the best for our children.

And wonderfully, she and I continue to regard each other as “soul mates” now, more than ever.

Over the last couple of years, I’ve found our decision to rebuild our family ratified time after time. One day as I turned to climb the stairs I saw my sixteen-year-old son walk past his mom as she sat reading in the living room. As he did, he paused and stooped down to kiss her and give her a hug, and then continued on. With two dads in the house, this little moment of warmth and tenderness would never have occurred. My varsity-track-and-football-playing son and I can give each other a bear hug or a pat on the back, but the kiss thing is never going to happen. To be fully formed, children need to be free to generously receive from and express affection to parents of both genders. Genderless marriages deny this fullness.

There are perhaps a hundred different things, small and large, that are negotiated between parents and kids every week. Moms and dads interact differently with their children. To give kids two moms or two dads is to withhold from them someone whom they desperately need and deserve in order to be whole and happy. It is to permanently etch “deprivation” on their hearts.

Rich Versus Diminished Lives

Sexuality is fluid for many, and much more complex than many want to acknowledge. Gay and straight activists alike pretend this isn’t true in order to fortify their positions. If they fail to maintain that mirage, fundraising for their organizations might dry up, as would the requests for television and radio interviews. Yet the “B” in the middle of “LGBT” acknowledges an important reality concerning our human sexuality.

Here’s a very sad fact of life that never gets portrayed on Glee or Modern Family: I find that men I know who have left their wives as they’ve come out of the closet often lead diminished, and in some cases nearly bankrupt, lives—socially, familially, emotionally, and intellectually. They adjust their entire view of the world and their role within it in order to accommodate what has become the dominant aspect of their lives: their homosexuality. In doing so, they trade rich lives for one-dimensional lives. Yet this is what our post-modern world has taught us to do. I went along with it for a long while, but slowly turned back when I witnessed my life shrinking and not growing.

What Now?

In our day, prejudice against gays is just a very faint shadow of what it once was. But the abolition of prejudice against gays does not necessarily mean that same-sex marriage is inevitable or optimal. There are other avenues available, none of which demands immediate, sweeping, transformational legislation or court judgments.

We are in the middle of a fierce battle that is no longer about rights. It is about a single word, “marriage.”

Two men or two women together is, in truth, nothing like a man and a woman creating a life and a family together. Same-sex relationships are certainly very legitimate, rewarding pursuits, leading to happiness for many, but they are wholly different in experience and nature.

Gay and lesbian activists, and more importantly, the progressives urging them on, seek to redefine marriage in order to achieve an ideological agenda that ultimately seeks to undefine families as nothing more than one of an array of equally desirable “social units,” and thus open the door to the increase of government’s role in our lives.

And while same-sex marriage proponents suggest that the government should perhaps just stay out of their private lives, the fact is, now that children are being engineered for gay and lesbian couples, a process that involves multiple other adults who have potential legal custody claims on these children, the potential for government’s involvement in these same-sex marriage households is staggering.

Solomon only had to split the baby in two. In the future, judges may have to decide how to split children into three, four, or five equal pieces. In Florida, a judge recently ordered that the birth certificate of a child must show a total of three parents—a lesbian couple and a gay man (the sperm-providing hairdresser of one of the lesbian moms). Expect much more of this to come.

Statists see great value in slowly chipping away at the bedrock of American culture: faith and family life. The more that traditional families are weakened in our daily experience by our laws, the more that government is able to freely insert itself into our lives in an authoritarian way. And it will.

Mark Regnerus, a sociologist at the University of Texas at Austin, recently said, “I think you can have social stability without many intact families, but it’s going to be really expensive and it's going to look very ‘Huxley-Brave New World-ish.’ So [the intact family is] not only the optimal scenario … but it’s the cheapest. How often in life do you get the best and the cheapest in the same package?”

Marriage is not an elastic term. It is immutable. It offers the very best for children and society. We should not adulterate nor mutilate its definition, thereby denying its riches to current and future generations.

Doug Mainwaring, The Public Discourse 25 Comments [8/10/2017 3:35:38 PM]
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Quote# 130389

How should man love God during refinement? By using the resolve to love God to accept His refinement: During refinement you are tormented inside, as if a knife were being twisted in your heart, yet you are willing to satisfy God using your heart, which loves Him, and you are unwilling to care for the flesh. This is what is meant by practicing the love of God.

You hurt inside, and your suffering has reached a certain point, yet you are still willing to come before God and pray, saying: “O God! I cannot leave You. Although there is darkness within me, I wish to satisfy You; You know my heart, and I would that You invest more of Your love within me.” This is practice during refinement.

If you use the love of God as the foundation, refinement can bring you closer to God and make you more intimate with God. Since you believe in God, you must hand over your heart before God. If you offer up and lay your heart before God, then during refinement it will be impossible for you to deny God, or leave God. In this way your relationship with God will become ever closer, and ever more normal, and your communion with God will become ever more frequent.

If you always practice in this way, then you will spend more time in God’s light, and more time under the guidance of His words, there will also be more and more changes in your disposition, and your knowledge will increase day by day.

When the day comes and God’s trials suddenly befall you, you will not only be able to stand by God’s side, but will also be able to bear testimony to God. At that time, you will be like Job, and Peter. Having borne testimony to God you will truly love Him, and will gladly lay down your life for Him; you will be God’s witness, and one who is beloved by God. Love that has experienced refinement is strong, and not weak.

Regardless of when or how God subjects you to His trials, you are able to care not whether you live or die, to gladly cast aside everything for God, and to happily endure anything for God—and thus your love will be pure, and your faith real. Only then will you be someone who is truly loved by God, and who has truly been made perfect by God.

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 8 Comments [8/10/2017 3:33:20 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130388

Today, most people are too afraid to bring their actions before God, and while you may deceive God’s flesh, you cannot deceive God’s Spirit. All that cannot withstand God’s observation is not in accord with truth and should be cast aside, or you sin against God. So, no matter whether it’s when you pray, when you speak and fellowship with your brothers and sisters, or when you perform your duty and do your business, you must lay your heart before God.

When you fulfill your function, God is with you, and so long as your intent is correct and is for the work of God’s house, God will accept all you do, so you should earnestly devote yourself to fulfilling your function.

All that you do, every action, every intention, and every reaction must be brought before God. That is, your normal spiritual life, your prayers, your closeness with God, eating and drinking of God’s word, fellowship with your brothers and sisters, living your life in the church, and even your service in your partnership are all things which must be brought before God and observed by Him. It is such practice that will help you mature in life.

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 8 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:44 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130386

Maybe you missed my earlier post. When scientists measured the earth as it rotated, hurling towards a star and then away from a star six months later as it journeyed around the sun, expecting to see the velocity of the wavelengths of light less as it moves towards the star and more as it moves away ( velocity V being subtracted or added to C, the light speed), the EARTH DOES NOT MOVE. Period.

It was a big mystery for decades, until Einstein postulated the speed of light not changing even if the earth is moving. Time Magazine's Person of the Century Issue in 2000 featuring Einstein comes right out and says that his greatness was in being able to overthrow the conclusions of the geocentric experiments. This is all laid out in detail in the better Geocentric literature.

So as I said, the debate now comes down to the theory of relativity. Classical physics and how waves are measured is tossed into the dustbin of history in favor of relativity. There is no other explanation. Light waves do not behave like radar waves and the doppler effect you so nicely tried to explain to me. The earth is motionless, or relativity is correct.

I found this subject to be so enormously wonderful to my faith in biblical inerrancy that I passionately love it, and have spend a lot of time on other threads discussing the science in more depth. However, I think at this point unless sceptical people spend time on serious consideration of the subject ( Sagnac and Michaelson Morley on the geocentric sites is a good start) it is a waste of time to pursue it.

Einstein has deluded the masses as badly as Darwin has, and posting here is time consuming and not helpful. I am certainly not about to tackle the theory of relativity on Puritan board. But I do appreciate you trying to open my eyes.

Lynnie, Puritan Board 19 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:16 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130385

What if it were shown that the Bible systematically adopts a geocentric perspective? Would that be something to care about? God created the heaven and the earth on day one. The sun was made on day four. There will be new heavens and a new earth, but there will be no need for the light of the sun. From beginning to end the Bible rejects the natural man's deification of the sun as the source of light and life. God sets the sun it in its place. God moves it in its course. God can stop it in its course when it serves His purpose. The Bible systematically presents the same picture of the sun in relation to the earth, and never suggests anything different.

History, prophecy, law, poetry, all provide the same uniform view of the matter. Even the poetic descriptions only make sense on the understanding that the sun moves. There is never a hint that this is merely phenomenological language. It is reality as God has revealed it. That being the case, whence arises the suggestion that it is something other than literal? The suggestion comes from naturalistic science. A changing science at that.

A science which self-consciously proclaims its findings in terms of hypothesis and probability. A science which already accepts that alternate models might be just as valid. A science which itself is geocentric, since all its preliminary findings are based on observations of and from the earth. What then? Are we seriously being asked to exchange the reliability of the consistent worldview of the Bible in order to conform to the unreliable and ever-changing probabilities of this so-called "science?"

MW, Puritan Board 13 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:12 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130384

Man I find the notion that the Earth rotates on it's axis (by the way were is this axis that heliocentrists speak of,has it been sighted?) absolutely Incredulous, Preposterous & Absurd.

If the Earth rotated on its imagined axis, its rotational speed at the equator would be 1,600 kph, thats more than bullet speed & not a single soul is swept off its feet, what about the windshere factor, the surface of the earth would be sand blasted, I dont need any scienfitic theories to cover these facts up, just the law of common sense tells me it cannot be so!

How is it that the north star is stationary to an observer if the earth supposedly rotates on its axis is it also in a geosynchronous orbit around the earth?

In GEOSTATIONARY COSMOLOGY, the World does not rotate.
In GEOSTATIONARY COSMOLOGY, the World does not orbit the Sun.
Hence, in GEOSTATIONARY COSMOLOGY, the motions we see are real.

In HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, we are continually spinning at up to 1,039 mph about an axis, yet this is supposedly indiscernible.
In HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, we are hurtling around the Sun at 41.89x the muzzle velocity of an AK-47, yet this is supposedly indiscernible.
Hence, in HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, our perceived lack of motion is unreal and those motions that are real we cannot perceive.

These photos show that stars rotate around a stationary point, a star I think,in the nights sky, they appear as streaks in timelapse photography, the further they are from the centrepoint the longer the streak that the star leaves which would indicate that some stars travel a larger orbit at greater speed, if the Earth rotated around on its axis in a 24 hour period stars would appear as a single streak across the nights sky, would they not?

One Little Nail, Puritan Board 14 Comments [8/10/2017 3:32:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130383



yourcutehey, Kongregate - Off Topic 26 Comments [8/10/2017 3:30:47 PM]
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Quote# 130382

Evangelist and author Anne Graham Lotz has listed a number of key preparations Christians should make before the rapture.

Lotz, who is the founder of AnGeL Ministries and the chairwoman of the National Day of Prayer, wrote in an article Monday on the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website that preparing for any kind of trip takes "time, thought and energy."

"The Bible teaches that all followers of Jesus are to plan and prepare for a 'trip.' The trip is not only undertaken when we move to Heaven following death, but it is also a very unique one that will take place at the end of human history as we have known it," she wrote.

"We are told that believers in the last generation will not experience physical death, but will be caught up in what is called the 'rapture'... the 'snatching away'... to meet Jesus in the air and be reunited with loved ones who have died in Christ and have gone before us. It will be the trip of a lifetime — a trip that is out of this world," Lotz added.

She indicated that getting informed and being prepared to "leave suddenly, at a moment's notice" for the coming trip, referring to the rapture, would be the first step.

Next, she said that a checklist needs to be planned out.

Lotz shared several Bible verses for readers to help them make such a checklist, and said that Christians needs to be abounding in love, established in faith, confident in hope, unblamable in holiness, and steadfast in service.

"What is your service for Jesus? How can you serve Him even more as the time for departure draws near?" she asked believers to reflect upon.

Finally, she said faithful believers need to listen for the "Clarion Call."

"How will we know when it's time to leave? Read 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17. When the call to leave comes, will you be ready? What items on your checklist will you wish you had 'packed?'" she asked.

Lotz did not speculate when precisely the rapture may arrive, but said Christians need to get ready.

"We haven't left yet, so there is still time to increase and excel in each item on the checklist. Ask God to help you prepare so that you are rapture ready," she wrote.

In the past, Lotz has warned that the United States is entering the "last stage" of the "downward spiral" toward God's judgment.

"God is backing away from America. He has said again and again and again, 'If you forsake me, I will forsake you. If you abandon me, I will abandon you.' So, we see God abandoning America as we shake our fist in his face and insist on our immorality and all the things we are doing," she said in 2016, referring in part to the legalization of gay marriage.

"We have lost the ability to think straight, no pun intended. God backs away and removes His hand of blessing and His hand of favor and His hand of protection," Lotz added.

Most recently, she told The Biblical Recorder that the U.S. continues "unraveling" and "disintegrating" into anger and anarchy, due to its "rejection of God."

"God has promised to hear us, forgive us and heal us on the condition that we pray. Therefore prayer is essential. It is not an option, it is a necessity," she said.

Anne Graham Lotz, Christianpost 15 Comments [8/10/2017 3:30:27 PM]
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Quote# 130381

In anticipation of the solar eclipse that will span the entire contiguous United States later this month, evangelist Anne Graham Lotz has warned that the Great American Eclipse might not be a cause for celebration.

There's been much buzz recently about the solar eclipse that will occur on Aug. 21, which could mark the first time since 1918 that a total solar eclipse will be visible across the entire contiguous United States. It will begin in Oregon and sweep southeast across the country ending in South Carolina. According to Space.com, the phenomenon is "one of the most spectacular sights in nature."

As many across the nation will welcome the phenomenon by hosting and participating in eclipse parties, Lotz, the daughter of world renowned evangelist Billy Graham and founder of AnGeL Ministries, took to her website on Monday to comment on the upcoming eclipse in a blog post titled "Is God's Judgment Coming on America?"

The 69-year-old Lotz, who has previously cited the the Old Testament book of Joel to warn a number of times that God could soon cast his judgement on the United States as punishment for the sins of the nation, began the post by explaining that she felt "compelled to issue the warning once again."



Anne Graham Lotz.
"The warning is triggered by the total solar eclipse of Aug. 21, nicknamed America's Eclipse. For the first time in almost 100 years, a total solar eclipse will be seen from coast to coast in our nation," she wrote. "People are preparing to mark this significant event with viewing parties at exclusive prime sites. The celebratory nature regarding the eclipse brings to my mind the Babylonian King Belshazzar who threw a drunken feast the night the Medes and Persians crept under the city gate."

The story of Belshazzar's feast was told in the Old Testament book of Daniel. Lotz explained that while Belshazzar and his friends partied and had a good time, "they were oblivious to the impending danger."

"Belshazzar wound up dead the next day, and the Babylonian empire was destroyed," Lotz stated.

Lotz also noted that Jewish rabbis have traditionally seen solar eclipses as "warnings from God to Gentile nations."

"Therefore, my perspective on the upcoming phenomenon is not celebratory," Lotz wrote. "While no one can know for sure if judgment is coming on America, it does seem that God is signaling us about something. Time will tell what that something is."

In her blog post, Lotz also embedded a YouTube video of a nearly hour-long message given by Australian Pastor Steve Cioccolanti of Discover Ministries that was posted late last month. The message was titled "Is the USA in the Bible? Great American Eclipse Aug 21st, 2017 a Real End Time Sign?"

"Pastor Steve articulates the warning in a very clear, undeniable, yet undogmatic way based on his understanding of biblical truth," Lotz added.

"Please be assured that balancing God's warning is His plea for us to return to Him and rend our hearts in sincere, heartfelt repentance," she continued. "I can almost hear the tears in Joel's voice as he pleads for us to repent and return to God, because 'Who knows? He may return and have pity and leave behind a blessing' (Joel 2:13-14)."

Lotz argued that even if the warnings about the eclipse are inaccurate, the U.S. and the world are already in "turmoil."

"Without doubt this is the time for God's people to get right with God. To repent of our own sin. To share the Gospel with our neighbors. And to pray that in the midst of His coming wrath, God would remember mercy," Lotz concluded.

Anne Graham Lotz, ChristianPost 10 Comments [8/10/2017 3:30:19 PM]
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Quote# 130373

At sixty years of age I was in bad health. I could not climb steps because of arthritis, and had to crawl to get upstairs. I was unable to do any work on the farm and had to rely on an assistant to get around.

My neighbor saw me suffering and introduced me to Falun Dafa. However, I had been poisoned by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) propaganda against Dafa, and refused to believe my neighbor.

One day, my pain became unmanageable. My wife took me to the hospital along with our savings of 40,000 yuan. The doctor said, “It is necrosis, a condition that develops when too little blood flows to tissues and they die. After more tests, you will need surgery and many treatments.”

We were worried. We wandered into the hospital courtyard. We saw a small red bag hanging on a tree, were curious and took a look at what was inside. It was information about Falun Dafa. The pamphlets were filled with stories of how illnesses were healed after practicing. I was amazed! We decided to go home and talk to our neighbor about learning Falun Dafa.

The practice far exceeded my hopes and expectations. I was able to walk without a cane after I practiced Falun Dafa for just three days. It did not take long for my feet to recover completely.

I am grateful for my complete recovery and happy life. Falun Dafa is amazing!

Unknown author, Minghui 3 Comments [8/10/2017 3:26:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130372

When Putin invaded Crimea
A chill went down my spine
If Kim-Jong tests out shitty missiles
It's like Hitler has just crossed the Rhine
But Gaza(or Libya), it got what was coming
It got what it asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal

I read Vox explainers and HuffPo
I know every conceivable view
I always watch Maddow and Cooper
I'm basically LGBTQ
And when it comes to cops in a Pride march
There's no one who's more for the blue
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal

I loudly support Black Lives Matter
Know who all the latest victims are
And I always check all my white privilege
When their protest traps me in a car
But their platform just screams redistribution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal

I vote for the Democratic Party
They want NATO to be strong
And I can't wait for Booker or Zuckberg
They'll both have me chanting along
I'll donate to disrupt education
The teachers' union is too strong
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal

We must reverse Citizen's United
The Koch brothers have us in a trap
With ALEC and all of their front groups
We'll never stop drowning in crap
But we can't steamroll over centrists
I think bankers get a bad rap
So love me, love me, love me
I'm a liberal

FloralMarx, r/Socialism 10 Comments [8/10/2017 3:25:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130366

As my view from other threads has been raised, I think it is important to note that while discussion naturally gravitates to Joshua 10, it is more important for me to follow the cosmology of biblical revelation as a whole, which can only be understood as geocentric. The creation itself is geocentric; the poetic descriptions of the Psalms assume it; numerous phenomena in the histories and prophets only make sense on the basis of it; and there is of course nothing which suggests an alternate view. Moreover, science has done nothing to disprove it.

I feel no necessity to re-evaluate or reformulate biblical revelation in the light of hypotheses which themselves are undergoing continual re-evaluation and reformulation. I also see no need to attempt to alter the Bible to make it look credible in the eyes of the scientific community. There are pertinent philosophical considerations which limit the scope of empirical science, and allow us to hold to the biblical view even when it conflicts with the observations of men. Our aim should always be to let the Bible speak for itself, and to accept its message regardless of how it is judged by others.

MW, Puritan Board 4 Comments [8/10/2017 3:24:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130365

I'd happily force-feed a vegan steak, even force them to skin a baby rabbit alive at gunpoint if I had a gun, to toughen them up.

Randomosaur, FSTDT 44 Comments [8/10/2017 3:23:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130360



A group of conservatives is working on “a thought-for-thought translation” of the Bible “without corruption by liberal bias.” Yes, that Bible. The organization seeks to create a document that, among other things, is “Not Emasculated,” that “Express[es] Free Market Parables” and that favors “conciseness [over] the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio.” That Jesus was such a wordy socialist.

According to the brains at Conservapedia, the Web site responsible, liberal tendencies in the previous versions of the Bible can’t be blamed on poor translation alone. The fault also lies in “lack of precision in the original language. … ” You don’t say.

Before you scoff, know that Conservapedia has anticipated your derision. “[L]iberals will oppose this effort,” the site warns. “[B]ut they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds.”

The group’s guidelines for the Conservative Bible Project are below. — PS

Conservapedia via Swampland:

As of 2009, there is no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, “gender inclusive” language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level
Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop; defective translations use the word “comrade” three times as often as “volunteer”; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as “word”, “peace”, and “miracle”.
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as “gamble” rather than “cast lots”; using modern political terms, such as “register” rather than “enroll” for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word “Lord” rather than “Jehovah” or “Yahweh” or “Lord God.”

Thus, a project has begun among members of Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The [partly] translated Bible can be found here.



Conservapedia, Truthdig 14 Comments [8/10/2017 3:23:16 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130350

madhatz asked:

I love your blog and your sense of the link between sex and the divine . From reading your blog i wondered what your views on consensual incest might be ? Thanks .

The Bible thoroughly condemns it so I cannot be for it. But let’s define what incest is. It is sex, which is a penis ejaculating inside of a vagina, with a close family member. Oral, manual and other things are not sex, and so would not constitute incest. Hope that helps.

holynakedness, Tumblr 17 Comments [8/10/2017 3:23:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 130285

Any government employees caught and convicted of leaking must be charged with treason and punished with life terms — or the death penalty.

Wayne Allyn Root, Las Vegas Review-Journal 15 Comments [8/10/2017 3:21:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130284

Right-wing preacher Lance Wallnau posted a video on his Facebook page last night in which he blamed liberals for the death of former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes.

Railing against reports that Fox News host Eric Bolling has been suspended amid allegations that he had sent lewd photos to several female colleagues, Wallnau declared, “I can only take some much before I have a meltdown right there on the air.”

“I am so flipping mad!” Wallnau bellowed. “First, they took down Roger Ailes, the liberals killed him. The devil killed Roger Ailes because they disgraced him with sexual harassment allegations.”

Wallnau said that while “there is not one sexual practice [that secularists are] not advocating for and trying to make a civil right out of,” they hypocritically targeted “poor little Roger Ailes” for destruction simply because he allegedly sexually harassed multiple women at his network.

Wallnau blamed liberals for Ailes’ death, which occurred after he injured his head in a fall shortly after he was ousted from Fox.

“I’m convinced he fell down partially because of stress and the spiritual warfare,” Wallnau said. “Bang, bashes his head, hemorrhages and bleeds, 77 years old, dies of an accident in his own house. But, I’ll tell you, it was liberals who killed him, not the floor; it’s spirits and curses and demons.”

Lance Wallnau, Right Wing Watch 10 Comments [8/10/2017 3:21:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130255

In my ideal world, if your child tests positive for a deadly or debilitating genetic disease like fatal familial insomnia, Huntington's or fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva, the mother shall be given two options. Gene editing or abortion.

Randomosaur, FSTDT 18 Comments [8/10/2017 3:20:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130248

And yes, their children should be seized as religion before the age of 7 should be seen as a form of child abuse. The brain, before age 7 is incapable of distinguishing between a story that they are told is true and is, and a story they are told is true but isn't, and obviously so.

Once it gets in there and engrained every week, it becomes a thought virus, forcing its illogical substance onto every thought that goes through the head of that child. This has been proven through extensive medical imaging.

James Hill, Facebook 9 Comments [8/10/2017 3:19:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130220

The timeless principles of Graeco-Roman logic and philosophy that we have just reviewed (not to be confused with the pointless mental masturbation that many modern pseudo-intellectuals like to engage in over a Starbucks’ latte) will expose a charlatan or an ignoramus every... single... time. Indeed, armed with nothing else but the earlier segment on Logical Fallacies, any “average Joe” can easily take down one of these “scientists” and humiliate him.

The Fake Scientist is thus compelled to declare: “there is no debate” because he knows that he cannot win a debate! Just like Count Dracula before a crucifix or sprinkled with Holy Water, the Fake Scientist will recoil in agony when confronted with the Socratic Method of inquiry.

Therefore, it is not surprising, but to be expected, that warmist Fake Scientists would express such open contempt and hostility for the millenniums-old discipline that should serve as the foundation of all intellectual pursuits and even common, every day understanding of life situations. Here they are, in their own words, mocking Philosophy – the very rules of thinking that we use to pursue truth and unmask lies and errors.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson: “Philosophy is not a productive contributor to our understanding of the natural world …. It (philosophy) can really mess you up.” (28)

Stephen Hawking: “Philosophy is dead. Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science. Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.” (29)

Bill Nye: “Philosophy is important for a while…. But you can start arguing in a circle…. Keep in mind, humans made up philosophy too.” (30)

You see, when a Fake Scientist needs to work around the eternal rules of lie-detection, he simply ridicules them, declares them “dead” or dismisses truth itself as “relative.” It’s sort of like a local burglar telling you that installing a home alarm system, adopting a big guard dog and keeping a loaded pistol under your bed aren’t effective anymore; or a nervous criminal, under interrogation, insisting that polygraph (lie detector) tests are never accurate.

But philosophy is not dead. The theory of man-made Global Warming is, and Messrs. Tyson, Hawking and Nye all know it – which is why they want to replace philosophy (Greek for “love of wisdom”) with “theoretical science” (love of slick talking sophistry, rigged math equations and rigged computer models).

Tyson, Nye and the “talking” stiff from “Weekend at Bernie’s” (or his ventriloquist?) all rely heavily upon classic logical fallacies to sell their nonsense. The only thing that can stop them is sound logic, aka philosophy.

Mike King, Tomato Bubble 15 Comments [8/10/2017 3:19:15 PM]
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Quote# 130211

KUALA LUMPUR: The 12-year-old girl who married the man convicted of raping her in Sabah is doing fine, Dewan Rakyat was told.

Women, Family and Community Development Minister Datuk Seri Rohani Abdul Karim (pic) said the girl currently lives with her parents in Kota Kinabalu.

She said the girl, now 16, is still married to Riduan Masmud, 44, who is serving his 12-year jail term after being convicted of raping her in 2015.

"We visited the girl at her family home on April 18 and she was in good health while the husband is serving his time,” she told Teo Nie Ching (DAP-Kulai) in a written reply.

Rohani said the girl also visited Riduan, a former restaurant manager, in Kepayan prison in Kota Kinabalu early this year.

However, she said, based on a visit by a welfare officer in 2014, the girl said she had no interest in going back to school as she felt embarrassed due to the wide media coverage on her case.

She said the girl told the officer she was comfortable living with her parents as she could help take care of her siblings.

“The girl had also voiced her intention to work so she could be self-sufficient.

“The parents also informed us that they had no problem in taking care of her,” said Rohani.

Riduan, a father of four children aged between two and 17 at the time of the offence, was charged with raping the schoolgirl in a vehicle on a road near Kionsom Waterfall in Inanam between 9am and 10am on Feb 18, 2013.

He married the girl in May that year in a bid to escape conviction and was charged with bribing the girl’s father with RM10,000 to withdraw the police report the girl made against him.

Ridhuan went to jail after the Kota Kinabalu High Court dismissed the appeal pertaining to his statutory rape case in 2015.


Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/08/07/rohani-girl-who-married-rapist-is-fine/#cSbtqZQJr5SyshI6.99

Rohani Abdul Karim, The Star Online 8 Comments [8/10/2017 3:18:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Bedhead