Quote# 130203

When the Gay Rights movement first started, it’s main argument was “don’t be mean to Gay people, they don’t choose to be Gay, they’re born that way”.

40 years later, “Gay Rights” has morphed into LGBTQ, and the same people who were telling us that you can’t choose to be Gay, are now telling us that you can choose your gender.

So here’s what I tell people......

If you want me to believe that people are born Gay, then it goes to follow that they’ll die Gay too. And by the same token, if you’re born with male genitals, then you’re born a man and you’ll die a man too, even if you mutilate yourself, pump yourself with female hormones, wear a dress, and give yourself a woman’s name.

And if you want me to believe that a person can choose their gender, based on how they feel inside, then don’t criticize religious Christians for trying to “cure” Gay people of their homosexuality.

The Fop, Free Republic 13 Comments [8/10/2017 3:17:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130182

[I]n Chabad-Lubavitch it is our approach to invite a Jew -- even one who claims not to believe -- to do a mitzvah, before we engage them in a discussion on faith. Because in consideration of the existence of the soul, we can assume that we don't have to convince people of life's Divine purpose. We just have to get them started, and with each mitzvah they do, their neshama asserts itself more, and questions become answered of themselves. By way of analogy, if a woman's maternal instinct appears to be absent, you don't argue the philosophy of motherhood with her. Just put the baby in her lap and her maternal response will emerge.

Rabbi Manis Friedman, Chabad.org 6 Comments [8/10/2017 3:15:58 PM]
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Quote# 130169

And just when you thought it was over...

The devil is sometimes allowed to attack. But he's not allowed to win - so long as we stay in faith and keep our eyes on Jesus Christ. He can slow us down a bit, but he cannot stop us. He can hinder but he cannot defeat us.

This has been an unprecedented time of spiritual warfare and attack in my life personally, and in the lives of those who help me with Eden Decoded that has lasted for more than a year now.

We've been attacked by witches, satanists, covens, occultists, black people, white people, Hispanic people, BGLO's, newspapers, websites, the Huffington Post, political writers, secular music artists, misguided ministers, psuedo-prophets and prophetesses, fake Christians, social media giants like Facebook and Twitter: the list goes on.

When you fight against the devil and demons, please expect them to fight back!

I learned this lesson from my own father, watching him cast demons out of people ever since I was a young boy. Then I watched days and weeks later as he went through all types of hellfire and warfare in his business, finances and his own personal life.

This IS war! And too often Christians forget that we don't get saved to go on spiritual picnics or sabbaticals. We get saved to disavow our citizenship in Satan's kingdom, and to become permanent members of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

When we said yes to Jesus we said 'later' to the devil! When we became friends of the cross we become instant enemies of the powers of darkness that were defeated by the cross.

Though this warfare has been intense, the support of those sent by God to stand with us in this hour has equally been unprecedented.

Thank you to all who heard our request for help, and who gave to get Eden Decoded back up and running again! We're baaaack!

And to those who gloated, sent us nasty celebratory emails reveling in our site being down and offline - better get a refund on that victory dance because we're up and running again with full steam ahead! ??

Thanks again to everyone who gave. You will never know how much you've helped. Only God truly knows: therefore what you did in secret I pray that God rewards you for openly, in the way and manner that He sees fit. God bless you immensely.

Now back to churning out these books and articles!

Mack Major, Facebook 8 Comments [8/10/2017 3:15:13 PM]
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Quote# 130161

Over half the Jews we help with tefillin at the Kotel initially refuse. So how do we get them? Each time is different and has to be made to fit the Jew we are reaching out to. The more experienced you get the more you succeed.

Some of the things that I have found worked are;

Do not ask them if they want to put on tefillin because they don't. Instead say, 'Come put on tefillin.'

They often refuse so we respond with whatever we think will work, but to the one who says he does not believe, I answer. 'You don't need belief to do it. The Torah says, 'we will do it then we will understand'. Doing it brings the understanding,' and I gently pull their arm or bring the straps to their hand and see if they let me continue as they often do. "Assumed consent" is an old sales technique.

Reb Gutman Locks, Mystical Paths 4 Comments [8/10/2017 3:14:35 PM]
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Quote# 130362

a real american wants to kill liberals. a real american wants you dead.

lewstherin, Liberal Forum 22 Comments [8/10/2017 12:04:01 AM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130361

sparky SimonSays • 6 months ago

It would only kill liberals, as terrorists would, why would they care about there people now?

Sparky, Newsmax 8 Comments [8/10/2017 12:03:44 AM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130359

Yahuah (God) created the heavens and the earth. He also made the lights of the sun, the moon, and the stars. He put the lights in the firmament to serve as signs.

And Yahuah said, "Let there be lights in the firmament to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years"
Genesis 1:14 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)]

One of those signs, The Great Sign of the Woman, will appear on September 23, 2017. That sign is the key to unlocking the timeline of other prophetic events revealed in the Book of Revelation.

The Woman is the constellation Virgo (Virgin). She represents the nation of Israel. She is described in the Book of Revelation 12:1-2:

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
Revelation 12:1-2 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] .

The Great Sign of the Woman as described in Revelation 12:1-2 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] forms and lasts for a few hours. According to computer generated astronomical models, this sign has not yet occurred. It will occur once on September 23, 2017. It will never occur again. Refer to Mark Chiswell's video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxVwpcXV0U

The predicted arrangement of the sun, the moon, and the stars that will be part of The Great Sign of the Woman can be seen using a computer generated astronomical model. (http://neave.com/planetarium/) We have that the sun is located in the region of the woman's upper torso. The moon is under her feet. The crown of twelve stars is above her head in the constellation Leo. The twelve stars comprise the nine major stars of Leo and the three "wandering stars" of Mercury, Mars, and Venus. The Woman is approximately 307 days "pregnant" (November 20, 2016 to September 23, 2017) with Jupiter, known to the Jews as the star of the Messiah. Jupiter appears in the lower torso, or womb region, of Virgo. Symbolically, the woman is pregnant with the Messiah. The Woman is at the end of a full term pregnancy, in labor, and about to give birth.

The Great Sign of the Woman is both a symbol and a sign. As a symbol, it represents the birth of the Messiah from the virgin of Israel. As a sign placed by Yahuah, it tells us where we are on the prophetic timeline. It places us in the fifth seal just twelve (12) days before the opening of the sixth seal. The sixth seal is the subject of the next section of this paper titled "The Red Dragon."

...The sign of The Red Dragon will appear in heaven after The Great Sign of the Woman. Note that the verse says that "The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born." This means that The Red Dragon will appear in heaven while the woman is still pregnant and crying out in pain as she is about to give birth. The Great Sign of the Woman will appear on September 23, 2017. The "pregnancy" of The Woman, discussed next, will end no later than October 13, 2017.

Jupiter, known to the Jews as the star of the Messiah, will exit Virgo (Virgin) on October 13, 2017 after having spent some 327 days (November 20, 2016 to October 13, 2017) in the "womb" region of that constellation. Refer to Mark Chiswell's video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxVwpcXV0U. After that, The Red Dragon will have no more opportunity to "[stand] in front of the woman who was about to give birth." The Woman will no longer be "pregnant." The Red Dragon must make its appearance by October 13, 2017.

Daniel L. Berglund, October 5 2017 17 Comments [8/10/2017 12:03:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 130358

An exclusive Christian private school in a wealthy suburb of Nashville is accused of covering-up up the repeated sexual assaults of a 12-year-old boy.

The Brentwood Academy is being sued for $60 million for allowing four eighth-grade bullies to repeatedly sexually assault a sixth-grade student, the Tennessean reports.

The lawsuit was filed by the mother of the victim.

Four male students are alleged to have “conspired to engage in male on male sexual harassment, sexual assault and/or rape upon John Doe in the locker room not supervised by an adult,” according to the lawsuit. “(The boy) would place his penis before John Doe and forcibly penetrated it into the mouth of Plaintiff John Doe without consenting claiming ‘eat it, eat it, eat it, open your mouth, accept it.'”

The same student is alleged to have bragged he “f—ed that boy up the ass and stuck a Gatorade bottle in him.”

Brentwood Academy Headmaster Curtis G. Masters allegedly told the victim to “turn the other cheek” and that, “everything in God’s kingdom happens for a reason.”

The headmaster allegedly said he considered the allegations to be “boys being boys and he could not investigate each of those and run a school.”

When the victim’s mother wanted to report the sexual assault to law enforcement, former Brentwood employee Chris Roberts — the victim’s counselor at Daystar Counseling — allegedly responded, “this isn’t how Christian institutions handle these things.”

“In addition to Masters, middle school director Nancy Brasher, administrator and middle school athletic director Buddy Alexander, assistant basketball coach Lyle Husband and sixth grade basketball coach Mike Vazquez, who is also Masters’ son-in-law, are named as individual defendants in the suit,” the Tennessean explained.

The school’s motto is, “Vivat Veritas” (Let Truth Prevail).

Brentwood Academy, Raw Story 20 Comments [8/10/2017 12:02:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130357

It would be nice to see other employers be intolerant of any of employees who support progressivism.

Paul Hair, BarbWire 13 Comments [8/10/2017 12:02:36 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130356

[On a Republican governor declaring August 4 "Barack Obama Day"]

A Republican governor heaping praise on the most immoral promoting president in American history, Barack Obama, who ushered in homosexual so-called marriage, who mocked the authority of the Bible, who promoted abortion, who loves Planned Parenthood. With Republicans like that, who needs Democrats?”

Peter LaBarbera, One News Now 13 Comments [8/10/2017 12:02:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130353

Jayson was about eight years old when it started. It’s a real-life nightmare that wounds deeply and causes every mom and dad to shudder.

Over seven years, Jayson was sexually abused by several people. One of them was a scout leader — someone he should have been able to trust.

For Jayson, these events were not only traumatic, but they began a long struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions. Sadly, he’s hardly alone in this experience. Childhood sexual abuse is common for those who struggle with homosexual feelings, temptations, orientation and identity.

The good news is that Jayson found help that reversed the course of his life. It came in the form of professional counseling that — over a period of years — transformed his life and realigned his sexual identity with his faith. In fact, it was such a positive influence for Jayson that he’s now providing pastoral coaching to those who are dealing with similar struggles and their parents. God does work all things together for good (Rom. 8:28)!

But incredibly, there’s a movement under way in our nation to ban young people from receiving the same professional counseling that turned Jayson’s life around. State by state, “gay-rights” activists are pushing bills which mandate that counseling on sexual orientation be a one-way street — toward homosexuality.



If this dangerous scheme isn’t already the law in your state, an effort to pass it is coming soon. That’s why your Family Policy Alliance is gearing up in states across the nation to prevent this assault and to push back on states where it currently exists.

While the brazenness of this push is surprising, the energy behind it is not. After all, the homosexual movement has long had as its goals: tolerance, then forced acceptance and, ultimately, punishment to those who won’t embrace their agenda. These bans on therapy for minors are an attempt to force acceptance of homosexuality right into our own homes.

Paul Weber, Right Wing Watch 12 Comments [8/10/2017 12:01:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130351

(I wonder if 'Sawman' got his name from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre?)

Americans, Patriots, pray for our nation. Pray for our President.

I’m hearing serious rumblings of a hostile, illegal coup against our democratically elected President by seditious, deep-state subversives funded by Soros & other globalists. Very disturbing.

Patriots, this would be nothing less than an act of war against the American people. It would be the removal of our boldest defender & last possibility of maintaining our protective Constitution. Under the boot of globalists, life as we know it, would immediately decline to the model that suits the globalist interest – Marxist/Socialist/Communist. They get complete control, you get zero. Freedom, Gone! Liberty, Gone! This agenda is evil and simply cannot be allowed, at ANY cost.

Like ALL military, law enforcement and government officials, I took an oath to defend our Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. By abandoning the rule of law and conducting a coup against the President & policies WE THE PEOPLE elected, they have made themselves enemies of the United States.

Under threat, ALL patriots, whether civilian, law enforcement, government, or military, have the duty to defend our Constitution against such enemies. Some speculate on “civil war”. I readily recognize a much more sobering reality: Anti-American subversives involved in ANY WAY in an unconstitutional coup against our President will be run down and executed immediately by the world’s most supreme warriors. There will be nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide, no mercy, no sense of humor. Harsh examples will be made. My prediction is it will be a gruesome massacre. Why? Because one side in this conflict has 8 Trillion bullets & the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use. It will likely only take a few hours. Lessons will be learned. History will take note. Order restored.

Patriots, We The American People stand united as one, against ALL enemies. We are peace-loving people who abide by the rule of law. Prepare yourselves in case this ridiculous insanity actually gets played out and the rule of law goes out the window under their gross miscarriage of our legal process. Shaking my head…

United We Stand! At the ready. USA!

Craig “Sawman” Sawyer, Patheos 17 Comments [8/10/2017 12:00:58 AM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130346

It happened live on air for everyone to see. Their satellite connection always conveniently goes down the shitter when someone starts contradicting their narrative. What are some other examples of CNN being deceitful? When they staged a Muslim protest and when they edited out proof of voter fraud from a Trump panel. CNN gets caught with its pants down every week but somehow there are still people out there that trust it. These people get all of their information from the mainstream media so they never question the truth of it all. That's why people like Obama want to regulate the internet. That's why the mainstream media is pushing the fake news narrative. They're building support for censorship of independent media so no one can challenge the narrative.

Nichtubermorgen, Kongregate - Off Topic 20 Comments [8/9/2017 11:46:50 AM]
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Quote# 130340

I wrote my first book "The War That Never Began"! It's based on Revelation 20:7-8 (that one paragraph that covers the span of the future 1,000 year reign). I found it really fun creating a future world where Jesus was King on Earth! It follows a family that is split apart as they each choose their own side, for or against, Jesus' worldwide Monarchy. While the end may be known from beginning, I hope you enjoy this fictional tale on what it might be like to be alive in those days. I think you'll love how the enemy has the tables turned on him at the end! We likely very soon won't even have to wonder about it!

Falaskan, Rapture Ready 22 Comments [8/9/2017 11:44:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130334

(From a thread titled "Survey finds most American Muslims believe 'society should accept homosexuality'")

American Muslims


This message is for you

Most of you are either munafiqs, frauds, murtadds, kazzabs, zanis, thieves, and or slaves to the kuffar

You are the biggest group of cowards I've ever met

Talwaar, Ummah.com 16 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Into the Unknown

Quote# 130333

The article title is "Should Light-Skinned People of Color Voluntarily Exclude Ourselves from People of Color Spaces?"

Wouldn’t it be amazing if you could get all the cool stuff that Black, Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC) get? Like…

Richly artistic cultures that have been setting trends in music, dance, art, and fashion for hundreds of years
Ancient and powerful cultural and spiritual practices passed down through generations
Seasoned food

Without all the problems like…

Disproportionate incarceration and extrajudicial murder
Higher incidence of low self-esteem, depression, and suicide
Decreased life expectancy

There is a way to get lots of the good stuff and avoid lots (but not all) of the bad stuff!

It’s called being light-skinned or white-passing!

Really though. Don’t get mad, my fellow light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC. I’m not saying that we don’t face many of the same problems as other BIPOC. But it’s ridiculous to deny the fact that our experiences are easier than darker-skinned people’s.

There are too many concrete statistics to the contrary.

To be fair, us light-skinned and white-passing people cannot just snap our fingers and nullify colorism. We cannot return our privilege to the Privilege Store.

But, there are some things we can do to address our privilege, like not automatically assuming that we are entitled to be in all BIPOC spaces all the time.
Are Separate Spaces Based on Race Racist?

Dig, if you will, the picture:

A group of gazelles gathers by the watering hole to strategize about how to avoid being eaten by lions. Also just to kick it and admire each other’s stripes and horns.

A group of lions gathers on the plains to strategize about how to catch and eat gazelles more effectively. Also, just to play a round of golf and talk about wealth management.

Lions find out about gazelles gathering together and get very upset, calling the gazelle’s separatist meeting unfair and reverse speciesist. They demand that lions be able to attend gazelle meetings!

After all, aren’t gazelles allowed to attend lion meetings? It’s just a coincidence that gazelles who attend lion meetings sometimes get mauled and eaten.

You think I’m being funny but I’m not.

See, the way that this society is set up, Black, Indigenous and People of Color — especially those who are Black and Brown with darker skin tones — spend an inordinate amount of time trying to avoid the dangers of racism that are instigated by white people.

Meanwhile, the reaction of your typical white person to BIPOC expressing the levels of anxiety and terror they must manage while navigating emotionally, economically and physically violent white supremacist spaces is ¯\_(?)_/¯.

Pop Quiz!

In this context ¯\_(?)_/¯ means:

IDGAF
Hands thrown up incredulously as if to say, “I don’t know understand why you feel that way! I don’t see color!”
“Why couldn’t Kanye just accept that Taylor was the better artist? What’s the problem?”
All of the above.

Answer Key

Why, when BIPOC decide to gather for various reasons in the face of a society that systematically seeks to subjugate them, is it such a problem for white people?

Could it be that white people are afraid of what could happen if BIPOC divested from white institutions and ways of being and sought self-determination and independence instead?

BIPOC throughout history have spent much time and energy building our own spaces only to be met with disapproval, petty meddling, violent threats and horrific violence.

In the face of all this, BIPOC have even taken the time to explain to white people and our own people why it is okay and possibly advantageous to have separate spaces.

Yet we still encounter white people who want to know why it’s okay for BIPOC to gather but not okay for white people to form their own separate groups.

Problem is when white people gather separately we end up with groups like the KKK, Stormfront and the Trump White House (please avoid ‘splaining about how the cabinet is not actually completely white).

Bottom line: When life, wellness, and happiness are at stake, Black, Indigenous and People of Color have a right to gather without white people in order to address issues that are important to them.

Or even just to gather socially without the fear or inconvenience of having to worry about whether white people will insult them or act awkward.

Similarly, darker-skinned BIPOC may also desire spaces where they can process and organize around the unique issues they face because of their closer proximities to Black and Indigenous skin tones and facial features and that us lighter-skinned people do not have to worry about.
I’m Stalling

It’s easy to create a funny and provocative headline before you have to actually write it. Then you talk about it with people and realize that everyone has so many feelings. But feelings are okay, even my own, so let’s keep going.
Psst… I’m Not Making This Issue Up

In some areas, separate spaces are simply not possible because of lack of large populations of BIPOC. So this question is a moot point.

However, I have lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for the last 11 years, a place considered a mecca for social justice activism and vibrant BIPOC culture. I have been a part of many groups and events organized exclusively for BIPOC.

And every time I have been a part of putting together or attended such a gathering, the issue of whether very light-skinned or white-passing BIPOC should attend has come up.

At the very least, people have expressed annoyance that white-passing people seem to feel entitled to BIPOC spaces and/or get upset if someone questions whether they are BIPOC.

While some might argue that such comments are petty or inconsequential, I think it’s worth taking a pause to consider any issues that darker-skinned BIPOC bring up regarding colorism.

Besides, these tensions make sense since they arise out of the reality that colorism has been present since the first times Black and Indigenous women were raped by white men during colonization and slavery and then gave birth to mixed-race children.

To this day, light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC still receive economic and social advantages over their darker brethren despite all the writing, scholarship and discussion around colorism that is out there.

It must be very frustrating to know that someone of the same race as you can enjoy benefits that you cannot access and to know that they never have to worry about things that you worry about every day simply because of the lightness of their skin and facial features that are considered “finer” — AKA more European.

It might also feel startling to walk into a space that was advertised as BIPOC-only and see blond-haired, blue-eyed people who look whiter than the marshmallows in an Ambrosia salad.

Rather than being defensive or complaining about how we are being excluded from spaces, light-skinned and white-passing people might take a moment to think about what the impact of our presence is in the spaces that we inhabit.

Because let’s face it, us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC — especially those with white parent/s — still get pretty defensive sometimes when BIPOC vent about the racism or poke fun at the cultural habits of white people.

Other BIPOC don’t really deserve to have to deal with our growing pains of sensitivity, defensiveness, and fragility when they were hoping to be in spaces that are safe from racist or colorist microaggressions.
Appearance Vs. Identification

Because identity is considered deeply personal, we are discouraged from questioning another person’s identity.

Being able to determine whether someone appears to be Black, Indigenous or a Person of Color is complicated and contested, and often depends on many different factors and contexts. For example, some BIPOC may only be seen as such when they are with other BIPOC.

But the examples of former NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal and respected Indigenous Studies scholar Andrea Smith, people who were enriched through claiming BIPOC identities even though they may not have any BIPOC ancestry, have highlighted that there might be a problem with uncritically accepting self-identification.

However, we know that one’s race and skin tone determines material factors such as health, income, and life expectancy, so to pretend that how one is perceived by the world at large has no correlation to how one might choose to identify doesn’t make sense either.

If a person has a BIPOC parent or grandparent and looks white, is treated as a white person, and was raised culturally white for most of their life with little exposure to other BIPOC, where does one draw the line?

Part of the problem may be that in the US we tend to talk as if race, ethnicity, and culture are equivalent, rather than related.

For example, a person can have mostly white European ancestry but due to their family immigrating to a Latin American country, may have been raised Latinx and strongly identify with Latinx culture.

Generally, Latinx people in the US are considered BIPOC. So a person with mostly European ancestry could be BIPOC in this instance and may show up to the next Black and Brown kick back wearing hoop earrings and a huipil blouse.

Does this section make you feel uncomfortable? It makes me feel uncomfortable! Maybe that means we are getting somewhere.

Or maybe it just means that this is a fraught subject. No one wants to go around policing membership into BIPOC-ness when it was white supremacy that created these imaginary categories in the first place.
These Final Thoughts Will Probably Not Feel Very Satisfying But They Are Important

Should you exclude yourself from people of color spaces as a light-skinned or white-passing person?

I can’t answer that for you. There may be no answer.

However, problems arise when us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC fail to ask ourselves this question or freak out when others ask it.

Next time, before entering a BIPOC space, I would like to encourage light-skinned and white-passing people to read this helpful article by transpinay philosopher b. binaohan and consider the following questions:

Why do I want to be a part of these spaces?

Is it solely to be accepted, to be reassured by other BIPOC that I belong?

Is it to build community with the loved ones and inner circles of people who constitute the spaces in which we might have the most impact in our work to change the world?

Is it to hold space and compassion for the anger and resentment that darker-skinned Black and Indigenous people might have as a result of bearing the brunt of white supremacy’s abuses?

Is it to build solidarity with BIPOC communities so that we can fight injustice together?

Is it to move back by not dominating discussions and not rushing to take on leadership roles that could be filled by darker-skinned people?

Is it to humbly ask what we can contribute to the struggle?

Is to strategize around how we can use our perceived proximity to whiteness in order to destabilize white Supremacy?

***

I think you know where I’m going with all this, right? Humility, compassion, and patience are traits all people to strive toward, but it may just be a prerequisite for those of us with more power seeking connection, support, and solidarity from our communities.

Feeling entitled to space and the emotional labor of reassurance or favorable treatment is what often gives us light-skinned and white-passing BIPOC a bad name.

So keep this in mind — it may just be the reason why your people give you side-eye when you walk into a room.

Nico Dacumos, Everyday Feminism 17 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:49 AM]
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Quote# 130332

Texas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress, one of President Trump’s evangelical advisers who preached the morning of his inauguration, has released a statement saying the president has the moral authority to take out North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

“When it comes to how we should deal with evil doers, the Bible, in the book of Romans, is very clear: God has endowed rulers full power to use whatever means necessary — including war — to stop evil,” Jeffress said. “In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un.”

Robert Jeffress, The Washington Post 24 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:45 AM]
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Quote# 130331


Yes, anything God commands is moral. And he may tighten or loosen that which he enforces, or that which he makes explicit. But he has encouraged us to think of him as consistent through his revelation. If you and I would like to be consistent, but cannot be--not to the imposed standards from outside, or even to our own standards (hypocrisy)--God is able to be so, and wills himslef to be. If something changes, relative to man in the commands of God, then something has changed about us--either in our being or our circumstances. In any case, God is also in control of those changes, and he has a morally sufficient reason for everything he does, and all that he expects of us, at whatever time he calls for it.

God is TRUE to himself, and more than we're able to be. God keeps his Word, and better than any of us. He chose to make covenant, and bind himself to promises in order to show himself faithful. Again, this is something he is free to do; and if he has done, who dares to charge him with an inconsistency? That he was supremely free, and now he is not because he made a promise? This is trying to bind God with an absurdity. But it is an internal, voluntary constraint. If he denies himself, the world goes out of existence. He is the only constraint on his own freedom; but it is his WILL to act precisely as he has. There isn't some "higher standard" by which he is held. The absurdity is in the puny creature, who tries to render God impotent or irrelevant by language-games.

There's all kinds of different standards of atheistic "morality," including cannibalism and Naziism. So, what complaint does the questioner have against such individuals or societies? He has none. He operates under a "might-makes-right" ultimate philosophy, which is guided only by what he hopes is a mindless evolutionary process that has selected him and his genes to triumph over lesser creatures, and lesser humans. If he is right about the world, then it makes perfect sense for him to get to the top of the heap, and try to live like an absolute monarch, impregnate all the women in his power, kill all his rival males (whoever he cannot make his obedient soldier, farmer, or slave-drone).

Saying there are untold "kinds" of Christians or Christian morality, is like saying there are as many "maths" as there are answers given to a given problem. The implication is that there is NO yardstick, there is NO subordination of a reader to an author's text because there's no such thing as successful communication of meaning. That is an absurd expectation, and it defies common sense and human experience. It is possible to analyze texts for their intrinsic meaning, as well as getting closer or farther away from that meaning. It is possible to agree to what a text means, while disagreeing with its content, or another analyst's judgment as to its worth. It's possible to gain consensus between several people, or even a majority of them, at least for a time. It is possible to analyze all of this, and to come to a "moral" conclusion on the whole.

In the end, you can expose the ridiculous bias of persons who simply "don't like" what the Bible has to say; as well as persuading the truly searching person that most of us have the tools (if not the will) to study the Bible for the message it contains. No one is really interested in the hater's biographical reasons for not being a Christian or accepting the Bible's message or morals. The student of Scripture is interested in the content of Scripture for what it says about itself. I am concerned for truth, and not interested in pluriform contrary opinions from those who may not share my passion and method of getting there.

Contra_Mundum, Puritan Board 14 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:27 AM]
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Well first off a thing is right or wrong simply because God's says it. Do we christians locate the source of that rightness or wrongness in God's unchanging charector? Yes but what we know of that charector is revealational in nature and always anthropomorphic. We cannot use reason to probe the depths of God. We can faithfuly start with his revealation to us and move from there. Also we must say yes God can declare murder to be right, but he has covenantly bounded himself in the covenat of works (or creation). Remember that God can do whatever he wants because he wants to. Does he bound himself in covenants to mankind? Yes, so he will no more "change" his mind on murder being wrong than he will flood the earth again.

I do not object to appealing to his immutible charector, only that appeals alone tend to abritraraly bound God for some logical or metaphysical reason. God is no more bound by logic than he is bound by creation. Now murder is one crime that he gives his reasons for in the Nohaic covenant but he is under no obligation to give any reason whatsoever for his descissions regarding anything. That I think is the best response to the Euthryphro argument, and Ryft gave an excellant response to it as well.

jwright82, Puritan Board 6 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:24 AM]
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God's person defines truth and what is right. Something is right simply because God says it is. He defines truth. To go beyond that is to make him less than God. It is man's duty and pleasure to discover what God has already defined.

Wanderer, Puritan Board 8 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:21 AM]
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Good question. I would say that God always has the right to take or give life. His will in the given situation is reflective of His never changing, sovereign right over His creation. It's not possible for God to be guilty of murder because He always has the rights over His creation's lives.

To answer what you asked about exegesis I would say that any verses proclaiming His sovereignty are stating this. God always does what He (the perfectly wise, just and holy God) wants. Calvin said that the universe is the "theater of the glory of God" and so God's actions in the universe are the displaying of his nature.

*My point was that God's infinite and immutable nature make accusations of arbitration nonsensical. If God's own nature defines right, wrong, and justice, and is unchanging then assigning a term like "arbitrary" to Him seems blasphemous. Their (Non-christian's) use of the word arbitrary seems to indicate that they see God as a peer who happens to be a bigger and stronger bully not the perfectly wise and holy God.

ManleyBeasley, Puritan Board 6 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:17 AM]
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There is no biblical rule that requires abstinence from "cinema."

There are, however, biblical principles and commandments that apply to movie going as to many areas of life.

There is much pop culture worldly garbage marketed as entertainment that a Christian ought abstain from.

Is the content geared toward profanity? Blasphemy? Mockery of what is good? Glorification of what is evil?

Is spending the money on it good stewardship?

Is spending the time attending, talking and thinking about the movie good stewardship of time?

One aspect of sanctification will be less tolerance of the profane, more care in spending money, more concern about idleness, less concern about amusing oneself, and more concern about what is true, good and pure.

Scott1, Puritan Board 12 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:13 AM]
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I brought something like this up on another forum in regard to the film "Pulp Fiction." To my thinking this film is an example of the decadence of our society. Aside from the vulgarity and profanity, which is ubiquitous, there is homosexual sodomy and numerous scenes of mayhem. The killers are portrayed as charismatic characters who are attractive to "the world."

A man is accidentally shot in an automobile when it hits a bump and this incident is portrayed as comic relief, this scene invariably brings laughter from the audience. I've read that a society can be judged by its art. If stuff like this is not emblematic of a sick society what is ? There was a time when I enjoyed the film BTW. I wouldn't watch it today. your mileage may vary.

OTOH, I think of Shakespeare and with the exception of the filthy language of our day, there are some parallels in terms of violence. I suppose these stories do portray fallen man in a relatively accurate depiction of what he is capable of. Than there are films that are uplifting, such as, The Sound Of Music, Lilies Of The Field and that sort.

Isn't it true that after we become Christians we only then begin to see the disparaging way that Hollywood portrays Christians? I think of films such as "Zulu", an oldie that most may not remember, but there are many more examples. At my age (63) having spent the majority of my life 'walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air', putting off 'the old man' and putting on the new, I now would sooner devote my free time to focusing on things above. What communion has light with darkness. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing."

JimmyH, Puritan Board 8 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:09 AM]
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No campaign to announce "Die Trans Scum" is necessary.

It's been in de facto effect for as long as cis people have murdered, brutalized, raped, beaten, harassed, denied access to health care or social services, or categorically discriminated against trans people because of their being trans.

"Die Trans Scum" is the default we as trans people face each day when we walk outside. No matter how transparent to the cis world we might be; no matter how many years it's been since our transition, that very risk of being forcibly disclosed as trans (or even accidentally so) puts us in the crosshairs of those cis people who do want all people with bodies like ours eliminated, if not violently reprimanded.

The campaign is provocative. It's meant to be. As the "Die Cis Scum" discussion has been going on with Tumblr and Twitter for some time now, the consensus has been such: if you're cis, and you're not remotely offended by the campaign, it's because the campaign isn't about you or cis people like you at all. If it offends you as a cis person, however, then it means you probably should to look at your own cissexism, trans misogyny, and trans enmity toward trans people.

The campaign, after all, is qualifying only the scum of cis people, not all of cis people. As a trans person, if it offends you to hear "die cis scum", you
might have some internalized cissexism to unpack, if not also internalized transphobia.

tl;dr: As put better by someone else, "No cis person has ever been harmed of died from 'die cis scum,' but thousands of trans people have been killed or maimed by 'die trans scum.'"

patienceinbee, r/asktransgender 12 Comments [8/9/2017 11:43:05 AM]
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(Responding to another member who wrote: "The impact of pedophilia and abortion are often the same. Both can have devastating psychological effects on women.")

I think ripping a innocent child to pieces is the greater sin.

At least a child that has been sexually abused will live to see another day. At least that child can get justice from the LAW. At least that child can grow up to have a life, have a husband or wife, and have a family or a career. The unborn child has NO chance of any of that.

The LAW is allowing an unborn child to ripped to pieces through abortion. There is no justice in that.

Abortion is the greater crime. A Holocaust.

Sandy




dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 4 Comments [8/9/2017 11:42:49 AM]
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