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Quote# 131055

barwhack: Socialistic parasites have done their best to kill Christianity for over a hundred years: pretty much since Marx. Christianity'll survive. Don't worry. It survived Stalin AND Mao even... and it'll survive the ongoing self-destruction of the west. I know those facts will alleviate your obvious anxiety, because your motivation for speaking was manifest: your concern for Christ and His legacy - the gospel (which concern involved-not-at-all using Christ's name as your very own eco-warrior tool...) Rest assured: Christianity will survive -unhurt- versus intelligent Evangelicalism, and happy Lutheranism, and choosy Calvinism, and progressive Orthodoxy, and parochial Catholicism, and united denominations, and this deadly life. Thank God.

bullet-2-binary:
Whaaat. No idea what you're talking about.

Old_Army90Lutheran: but libruls

barwhack: Stupid has many names. Its recent incarnation as forced sharing for social good, is right now most vibrant in non-classical liberalism. You're right. If only there were a naturalistic replacement for religion that would promote forced sharing... something that would appeal to good-natured folks that Wanna Make A "Difference"... something that -all at once- stroked the the inner Knight In Shining Armor AND inflamed his self-righteous indignation. Something that already has a socially entrenched clergy, and was dressed as secularism...et voilå. Al Gore and Bill Nye would like a secular word with you. It concerns submarine Miami and ice cream orgies; for the Earth!

HolyMuffins: You know, there are proposed solutions to climate change that don't involve secular tree worship and fully automated gay space communism, or whatever you're on about.

barwhack: Like Paris global "carbon" redistribution magic orwellian economies? Yes, I'm aware. The absolute brilliance of shifting currencies around (out of the US) - in service of a glorious secular World Faith - whilst failing even to address the basic supposed complaint? by failing to sequester ANY carbon? did not escape me. If only Obama had constitutionally pushed his treaty through congress... instead of inventing new powers for Trump to exploit. Alas.


barwhack, Reddit  9 Comments [8/28/2017 12:00:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 131049

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Why Do Sinners Become Irate When Sin Is Addressed And Appropriately Labeled As Sin?"



President Donald Trump tapped Sam Clovis as his pick to lead the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Research, Education and Economics division. Pending Senate confirmation, Clovis would oversee scientific research at the agency. Now, the alt-left is targeting, attacking and persecuting Mr. Clovis because he stands against sin and has spoken out against it. I think they are also afraid that the false-science the alt-left has been promoting will be exposed as false science that is limited in scope and biased in favor of sin to appease those on the far left. There science is at best their best guesses and not 100% fact.

My vote is for Mr. Clovis. It's getting to the point that each fake news report should be taken with a grain of salt and f not ignored, immediately rebutted with Truth.

God bless.

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-nominee-compares-lgbt-behavior-pedophilia-n796261

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 20 Comments [8/27/2017 2:02:20 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 131046

The other day i was told by my brother who was listening to a lecture and said 'you cannot have music and quran in the heart'. It leads to hypocrisy big time.

As for those who find it 'difficult' to give up. 1-make dua 2- collect all you have, thats all the musical material (be it cds/downloaded/mp3/phone) so gather them all together, count 1..2..3 and THROW THEM OUT AND DELETE THEM ALL

It is as simple as that, you aren't gonna stop if you have it. Like if its on your phone,computer,mp3,in your house then you have the ability to GET RID but if you go out and hear it then thats different coz its out of your control but you should still repel the desire to listen to it.

Don't let it draw you, again this is your jihad, reject it and fill your heart with quran instead, not music. You cannot have space for both in your heart its either one or the other.

You are the ones in control, coz you have it on your phones and can get rid of it, but it is alll about you and how bad you want to leave it Especially in this time there is no time for messing around, dont get caught into the trap of shaytaan and dajjal.

Besides this music does nothing, it plays with your emotions makes you feel happy makes you feel excited it is a shaytaan that controls the way you feel. An the messages and words i mean write it down and then read it to yourself, what on earth is it saying, absolutely nothing beneficial.

Its not saying 'put your rubbish in the bin, speak nice to people, remember Allah swt, hate shaytaan' no. It talks about nonsense, and if you do that then it'll make you realise how stupid music is.

Insha'Allah thats helped. May Allah swt help you all and give you all the strength to hate shaytaan and get rid of this music ameen

1MuslimByChoice, Ummah 17 Comments [8/27/2017 2:00:09 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131038

I certainly don’t wish to seem blasphemous, but over the years of viewing Brother Nathanael’s videos and articles I have come to the inescapable conclusion that he is one of the most Christ like figures to preach the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that we are fortunate to have today.

His evangelization across this wicked land is as remarkable as it is audacious, and as revolutionary as was Jesus chasing the money changers out of the temple. Brother Nathanael’s presence in our debased world is a Blessing sent from God.

And now with a money grubbing warmongering witch about to seize power, we are moving ever closer to WW3, as the NWO animus is ratcheted up to fever pitch, against Holy Mother Russia, the last bastion of Christianity left in the world today, and against Putin, a true world leader, who only desires World Peace.

Evil is now so palpable, that Armeggedon seems almost an inevitability, as the US neocons unceasingly clamor for WW3, which they think is a “winnable” event.

But only demon possessed minds can think in this manner, sick in the head and sick in the soul, and who’s evil is ultimately and satanically, paving the way for HELL ON EARTH.

Brother George, Real Jew News 8 Comments [8/27/2017 8:15:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131037

Excellent, Brother Nathanael!

The luciferians here in America are paving the way, not only for fulfilling the evangelical views of false Bible prophecy insisting that Russia and China will invade the Middle East.

These unbiblical views were first begun in 1575 by the scheming Jesuit, Francisco Ribera who conceived the “seven year tribulation” by corrupting Daniel 9:27, removing the exact year of Jesus Christ on the Cross and replacing Him with their fabricated “future Antichrist,” thus removing from the Pope from all Protestant condemnation during the Reformation, but also fulfilling I Timothy 6:10…”the love of money.”

Just so you know, Brother Nathanael, two Jesuit agents have been caught red handed in two humble churches here in Tennessee: my church, LORD of The Sabbath Fellowship, and a close brother’s church in a nearby town.

Our churches are small, with small budgets, and yet these servants of Satan were sent to sabotage our ministry, sapping our resources and imposing themselves.

Maybe you have a testimony as well. Keep up the efforts to shine the light of truth on the darkness.

Gary McAleer, Real Jew News 5 Comments [8/27/2017 8:15:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131036

Liberals are terrorist and need to be exterminated. You scum are destroying this country by fighting our constitution. The democrat party are nothing but terrorists. Make America Great Again by exterminating the violent, intolerant liberals!? (...) The liberals have turned into violent communists and are destroying free speech and all of our constitutional rights. So, that's why we have to remove the problem to fix everything. (...) Yea, this election showed how crooked liberals are. When they don't get their way, they riot, murder people, spread lies and make threats. Who is the single most violent terrorist group in the US? The democrat party.?

2redneck, Youtube 11 Comments [8/27/2017 8:11:52 AM]
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Quote# 131032

(From a pro-life woman who believes women are coerced to abort, but not coerced to get pregnant and give birth):

When I was pregnant and told my husband, even though we planned our babies, I still watched his reaction very carefully. If I had one hint of his being a little worried or not happy enough, I would have felt vulnerable and alone.

Men may not be able to appreciate what I am saying -- but what she wants you to do is jump up and down with excitement and lift her in the air and kiss her and tell her everything is going to be okay.

Instead, many men say - okay, what do you think? (wrong words) Or they say - are you going to keep it (uhhh, her heart just sank). Or they say -- it's up to you...it's your body and your choice. I will not stand in your way if you want an abortion. WHAT????????????? He is taking away all responsibility from himself. By saying that he is putting her on her own.

It is horrible. A woman couldn't feel more vulnerable than when she is pregnant. With his so easily agreeing maybe she shouldn't keep the baby (passive aggressive usually), she may feel alone and that she has no other choice but to abort.

Men are often very stupid. That they don't realize this or that men use this against women is maddening.

Cher

FairSharFairShar, Realabortiondebate 7 Comments [8/27/2017 7:23:22 AM]
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Quote# 131030



Occupy Libtards 5, Facebook 32 Comments [8/27/2017 12:20:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Occupy Libtards 5, Facebook 29 Comments [8/27/2017 12:18:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Occupy Libtards 5, Facebook 17 Comments [8/27/2017 12:17:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Anonymous, Facebook 19 Comments [8/26/2017 11:13:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131020



Christian Fellowship Church, Facebook 17 Comments [8/26/2017 11:12:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131019


(transcript)
A deaf baby hears for the first time.
Thousands of hours of patient experimentation went into this. Science is glory.

accurate headline:
hearing parent doesnt how to deal with deaf baby and decides their life for them without their knowledge or consent

Anonymous, Facebook 21 Comments [8/26/2017 11:12:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131018

Tiffany, it's a miracle that women that look like you regularly get laid, but it just goes to show that the standard of modern "dating" (if you want to call it that) has fell so low that utterly average looking women are sought after like some sort of prize. No respectable man wants to marry a slut, especially not some vulgar little Vietnamese whore with a mouth like a sailor that will give birth to a future mixed raced Elliot Rodgers. Who the fuck wants that. Fucking hell

Anonymoose, Thought Catalog 18 Comments [8/26/2017 11:11:10 PM]
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Quote# 131016

Please consider this 2012 election challenge: Lets purposely and creatively introduce the rational meme of the Doomsday Machine into the impending debate over any new START Treaties. And then let the Militarily-Industrial-Congressional-Religious Complex (MICRO howl in their white rage.

For we also know finally that the opposite side of "the Deterrence coin" is Disarmament. Lord how the militarists will rage at the very thought of a true disarmament regime! Perhaps the lion may yet lie down with the "lamb" as in my Jehovah Witnesses' literature, for truly blessed are the "new peacemakers'—given the existence of God's Doomsday Machines and other competing weapons of Satan.

We have at least in theory ironically paradoxically forever created the capability now to control mankind's original sin of a fallen Adam/Eve's greatest temptation to conquer and thus have Genesis 1:28 "dominion over all of God's Creation." Yes. over all the Earth and all her populations 8.8 million species therein via thermonuclear weapons. They will of course, in their victory campaign, reduce the Earth we love so dearly to a dead radioactive cinder and "two American and one Chinese" and endless waves of cockroaches and black carrion beetles.

The ultimate question must be raised: Can these thermonuclear "devices" "weapons''/machines he controlled by the next generation'

Is that our fate' Our destiny''

My tentative answer is in two parts:

1 Yes if God chooses not to desert his Creation that is if He docs not abscond, flee once again as He did in the twentieth century when 160 million innocent humans were killed. Yes. 160 million "Innocent Ones"—created in His own image.—Genesis 1:20: "And God said let us make man in our image, after our likeness"; and Genesis 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him: male and female created he them."

2 Yes if we of the "Green Vital Center" do not fail to stop/defeat the men and women of "passionate intensity" (you ought to know who I'm talking about by now) and if they are allowed to succeed in taking control of our society, marching in a victorious goose step parade following that great white Fascist beast, led by "666." first toward Jerusalem, "after twenty centuries of stony sleep." where He accepts His" Great While Throne" of his Millennial Kingdom, followed quickly by moving it to Independence. Missouri Dallas, Texas/Salt Lake City. Utah- depending "on the breaks" of November 6, 2012.

It s Christian and corporate Fascism Studpedio "Sapiens" Americanus!

George E. Lowe, Stalking the Antichrists (1940?1965) Volume 1 (book) 2 Comments [8/26/2017 11:10:46 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 131014

Christopher Columbus statue vandalized. Antifa, BLM thinks Genghis Khan and Attila The Hun would have given Native Americans a fairer shake!

donald, Twitter 17 Comments [8/26/2017 11:10:07 PM]
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Quote# 131011

This is really a sad story for the atheist cause.
Atheists that suppose to be the most open mind people around show once again that they are as bad as those religious fanatics that take a guess as a golden truth and therefore creating a dogma.
In the past few weeks some atheists said that the peak of evolution or the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
When I did asked to show the evidence someone reply with a direct swearing to me.

I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.
None of whatsoever.

NDEs already show that being a human is not the peak of existence beside to understand that concept you don't need a big brain or even the NDEs.
Just look around and see how it is difficult to find peace of mind and permanent happiness.
How on earth can a human being that hasn't yet overcome his-her own personal problem can say that he or she is at the top of the evolution cycle?
It would be like to say that a vehicle that go from point A to point B has reached point B before point B has been reached.
How on earth can someone be so sure to have reached the peak of evolution well before he-she hasn't sort out his-her own problems.
Absurd. :Banghead:

Little Rik, AtheistForums.org 13 Comments [8/26/2017 2:18:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Stimbo

Quote# 131010

[From "Charlottesville Violence Being Blamed on White Nationalists "Neo Nazis" Even Though All Video Evidence Shows Communist Counter Protesters Who Didn't Even Have a Permit Started Violence. Event Being Used to Dismantle White Cultural Symbols Across US, and Assault Free Speech Online."]

Media has created a narrative once again by using the Charlottesville event started by White Nationalists. George Soros had bused in Communists paid by the hour to attack the Nationalists and then the media covers for them by painting them as the victims even though the Nationalists showed extreme restraint sticking to the narrative and speaker events.

Now the media is trying to justify the attempt to paint White ethnic nationalists of any kind as terrorists clearly holding us to a completely different standard as far left groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter etc. have commit to political violence as part of their party program. BLM have encouraged and engaged in ongoing efforts to attack and assassinate police officers but yet they are still portrayed as underdog civil rights heroes on TelAvivision as if they aren't the status quo and are fighting against "the man" (pretending that far right Whites who protect White interests are in charge as if we would allow mass non-white legal and illegal immigration and refugees etc. if we were in charge).

Antifa are just Communists who call anyone to the right of them politically as Nazis (lol remember the guy who said "...and I don't use the word Nazi lightly!" followed by constant cries of "fuck off nazi! go home nazi!". Antifa also like BLM use political violence as standard accepted practice, they will instigate and initiate violence and then cry pretending to be the victim at retaliation with the mainstream media on standby ready to support the Marxist narrative.

Antifa are so completely unaware of their surroundings and reality they don't notice all mainstream media/government/celebrities spouting the marxist narrative and they still pretend that they aren't the status quo and are fighting a mythical system of White Privilege that only exists in their minds because in reality affirmative action/immigration reform act of 1965, safe spaces, hate speech laws, holohoax denial laws, and also the fact Whites are going to become minorities in all of our own nations more than proves that the governments for decades have been enacting Communist social and economic policy at the expense of the White population.

At this point in time every single one of Hitler's warnings have come true. We are being subject to policy that is ethnically cleansing our people from Europe and North America our home nations. The United Nations definition of genocide includes "Enacting policy that is engineered to eliminate a population in whole or in part", data clearly shows that the White race is being eliminated in large part due to the social/economic/immigration policies that Jews themselves admit to being behind in the first place.

The Jewish media monopoly at the moment are acting even worse than Soviet Bolshevik propaganda making huge stretches to paint situations in a completely different perspective in order to make it seem to fit a Marxist narrative. For example this is the refugee situation but yet media portrays only very specific stories that focus totally on a key individuals story of "struggle and suffering" and they never EVER broadcast a story that focuses on the EFFECTS OF MASS MIGRATION ON WESTERN SOCIETY because it is a complete and utter disaster that is seriously going to destroy the European race which is what they want. They want to replace the White race in all of our nations because we are their obstacle to a world where Israel is the only ethnic nation as a Jewish homeland, but every other nation is forced to be Communist void of race or heritage or any other obstacle that would compete with the state for loyalty.

National Socialism is something they are terrified of because it has shown that we are capable of providing an extremely high quality of life for all our people because we don't need international Jewish finance to handle trade, foreign aid, investments, and other economic actions. They will do whatever it takes to secure their current lifestyle of making huge profits off of being the middlemen between nations, and being the loan givers. They are responsible for technological advancement coming to a complete standstill (because they need people spending almost all their time working unable to give the amount of attention needed to stay up to date on politics and history so they wake up to who is screwing them). They are a corrupt and evil status quo which is why they demand censorship and using the 9/11 attacks in 2001 as an excuse to label our own citizens as terrorists just because we aren't ashamed to be White anymore. They want to be able to keep power by calling their opponents racist or anti semitic, they can't vindicate themselves with facts or truth so they need to be able to evoke angry emotions in the masses against their opposition by saying "Look at these nazis! They're so racist and hateful! Don't listen to them!" because that kind of simplistic reasoning is an excuse to not explain to people why their social and economic policies are better than ours.

They are desperate to avoid an honest dialogue about who can provide a better social/economic platform for our nation between the Bolsheviks (Globalists they now call themselves) or us National Socialists. That discussion is something they have to avoid at all costs and they can't have people even discussing it even if it's on social media between each other or in any form where ideas can spread.

Na7Soc, Reddit - r/NationalSocialism 11 Comments [8/26/2017 2:17:25 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 131009

[On the trans mikitary ban]

I am glad, as an American citizen, that President Trump is directing the military to stop fighting culture wars and start fighting the bad guys.

Todd Starnes, Fox News Radio 15 Comments [8/26/2017 2:17:13 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131008

[On Donald Trump]

He’s married to an immigrant. Intellectually speaking, from a logical continuum, you can’t have a child who is from an immigrant mother and be anti-immigrant. So it’s just intellectually naive. Right?

Samuel Rodriguez, The Stream 21 Comments [8/26/2017 1:49:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131004

Have you ever encountered this chart? It calls the traditional and Biblical definition of marriage into question by examining eight “definitions” of marriage that are described in the Bible. Its intent is to denigrate traditional marriage, to make supporters of traditional marriage appear bigoted or hypocritical, and to make appeals to the “Biblical definition of marriage” appear ambiguous at best.

Does this meme succeed in its attack on traditional marriage, supporters of traditional marriage, or even the idea that there is such a thing as a “Biblical definition of marriage? We will take each example of marriage in turn, but first I would like to offer the following distinction, a distinction that was not made in the meme itself. There is a large difference between a purely descriptive account of what actually took place and a prescriptive description of what ought to be the case. One needs to be careful of the naturalistic fallacy – mistaking how something is with how it ought to be – and the moralistic fallacy – mistaking how something ought to be with how it actually is. Not all of the forms of marriage mentioned by this meme are problematic, but it would be a mistake to assume that those that are problematic are held up as positive examples.

Man + Woman = Nuclear family (Gen. 2:24).
This is what is meant by the “Biblical definition of marriage.” While I object to the characterization of the wife as “subordinate” to her husband, the Biblical role of the man is in authority, and wives are called to submit to their husbands. If you think that’s harsh, keep in mind what husbands are called to do for their wives. There are many excellent expositions of this concept. It is not sexist, nor should it count against the Biblical definition of marriage.

Interfaith marriages are forbidden, so that part is accurate, although it would be a mistake to interpret that as essential to the definition of marriage.

Most people today object to the concept of arranged marriages, so apparently the creators of the meme thought it would be damaging to include this aspect. The problem is, arranged marriages are as much cultural as religious – there is no Biblical mandate for them – and are practiced in various places around the world. There is even a growing group of individuals who turn to their parents for assistance with matchmaking, if not for actual arranged marriages.

It is true that a woman could be stoned unless proof of virginity could be produced. This is consistent with the punishment for other sexual sins. In fact, it is interesting to note how there are high penalties for all of the sexual sins. Given the extreme problems that sexual sins cause for the stability of marriage, and consequently for families and society as a whole, it could be that an extreme penalty was needed to ingrain the importance of marital fidelity. Regardless, the penalty for infidelity is not part of the definition of marriage.Most importantly, Genesis 218-24 indicates the standard for marriage that God intended, and Jesus referenced and upheld this standard when he was asked about divorce in Matthew and Mark.

Man + Wife + Concubines
The mere existence of concubines in scripture does not indicate that having concubines is moral or part of the definition of marriage, and it certainly was never upheld as a moral standard approved by God. Concubines were not wives but more like indentured prostitutes, so it is hard to see how this could affect the definition of marriage in scripture. Excessive wives and concubines were specifically prohibited for kings.

Man + Woman + Woman’s Property
The situation here is little different than with concubines; instead of being the husband’s property (a concubine) the woman was the wife’s property but used by the husband. God did not condone the practice in scripture.

Man + Woman + Woman + Woman…
Again, this practice is not condoned in scripture, it was merely a common cultural practice that actually went against God’s plan as originally intended.

Man + Brother’s Widow (Levirate Marriage)
This is a legitimate form of marriage in scripture (in fact, it’s a legitimate form of marriage today as well). Since the woman’s original husband was dead, her marriage to him was void. The original husband’s brother could then marry her (and actually was expected to marry her, if she had no children). This provided for the continuation of a man’s line after his death, since the first child produced by the new marriage would be counted legally as the dead man’s heir. This also meant the widow had someone to provide for her. So why was this very compassionate form of marriage put on a chart attacking the Biblical definition of marriage?

This is just another version of the nuclear family.

Rapist + his victim
While it is true that marriage was required after a rape, the phrasing of this chart is backwards: It is not that a woman was required to marry her rapist, but rather that a rapist was required to marry his victim (provided she was not already engaged). Sending a woman away after raping her was considered a disgrace to her greater than the rape itself; other men likely would not marry her, which meant she would have to live as a desolate woman. Imprisoning or killing the rapist would have served little purpose, but forcing the rapist to marry his victim forced him to provide for her and established some semblance of legitimacy for the woman.

This is also another version of the nuclear family.

Male soldier + Prisoner of war
Soldiers were permitted to marry female prisoners of war, provided they were virgins. The soldiers were required to allow the woman to mourn for her family, and were prohibited from treating the woman as a slave, which would have been common in that time. The woman would thus have been provided for through marriage.

This is yet another version of the nuclear family. Of course, the reason this type of marriage was included was because it offends modern sensibilities to think about marrying prisoners of war. Given that such prisoners were a common reality in context of the Israelite conquest of Canaan (when the permission was originally given), it is difficult to find another more humane way of handling the situation. In most cases the culture the Israelite were fighting was entirely destroyed due to their extreme wickedness, so the women couldn’t go home. Forcing them to provide for themselves would have only heightened their distress, and would have likely resulted in them being slaves. Marriage provided for them in practical ways and enabled them to establish new lives as part of the Israelite community.

Male slave + Female slave
Slaves were allowed to marry. If people wish to complain about this, imagine the outcry if slaves weren’t allowed to marry. Is it so odd that a slave would be permitted to marry other slaves? It is difficult to see how a slave getting married is offensive or somehow constitutes a new definition of marriage. As for the requirement of sexual submission, that is not supported by the reference the chart supplies.

This is still another version of the nuclear family. I suppose we could continue to multiply examples of the nuclear family (Farmer + Woman, Priest + woman, etc), but what would be the point?

To sum up, we have seen that each of the examples provided in the chart was either a version of the nuclear family with Biblical approval, or a violation of the nuclear family model with no Biblical approval (as descriptive, not prescriptive). Appeals to the “Biblical definition of marriage” are not ambiguous, but rather refer to marriage as God intended “from the beginning,” rather than the various unapproved versions of marriage in scripture.

It is likely that several of the versions of nuclear marriage are included not because they serve as alternate definitions of marriage, but rather merely for the culture shock they create. This culture shock encourages one to disavow Biblical forms of marriage out of a sense of moral superiority. However, several of the types of marriage described are more compassionate than they appear at first to modern Western sensibilities.

Finally, in the context of the same-sex marriage debates today, it is worth noting that all of the Biblical forms of marriage this chart addresses are heterosexual in nature, serving to underscore the traditional, Biblical view of marriage.

“But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; ?she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.”


Feral Apologist, Feral Apologist 14 Comments [8/26/2017 1:49:00 PM]
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Quote# 131001

Sorry, while I’m all for the police de-escalating if possible, when you have a knife and are stabbing a police officer, the public belongs on the officer’s side and there is a chance of the police officer killing the criminal — and unless the officer does something wrong, they deserve the public’s support.

Supporting every criminal killed by a police officer over the police is a good way to take the wrong side and discredit the movement against police abuse.
[...]
There’s a difference between opposing police injustice and opposing police, period, cheering wrongful attacks against them.

The right likes to pretend the left can’t tell the difference.

Sadly it seems in some cases they might be correct.

You two are morons. The police are nothing but gangsters with badges, engaging in murder and hiding behind “fear for their lives”.

It’s too bad the piggie got stabbed, but given the long history of police violence AGAINST POC AND LGBT FOLX, the woman (sadly murdered by the pig) was absolutely in the right to defend herself.
Wow. So collective guilt for police. Because there has been police abuse, she was right to stab this officer.

And if the officer was just defending himself, then he murdered her wrongly and is a “piggie”.

You’re simply wrong, and no friend to the cause of justice to anyone.

IF the facts come out the officer did anything wrong, THEN criticize that.

Officer used deadly force when he should have de-escalated. She was acting in self defense.

Fuck the Police.
You don’t know that, and certainly haven’t proven it here. Maybe he should have, and maybe he couldn’t.

You assert she stabbed a police officer in self-defense without any evidence. Prove it.

She obviously feared for her life.

If it’s a good enough excuse for the cops, surely she can use it, too...
No, it’s not obvious. And the phrase is, reasonably feared for her life.

And no, it’s not enough.

If you go take a schoolroom hostage with a gun, you have reason to fear for your life from the police.

That doesn’t suddenly give you justification for killing police.

Right, right, “if she had only cooperated”…

A trans woman of color DOES have reason to fear for her life when confronted by a police officer. So yes, she was REASONABLY AFRAID, and fully justified.
Being a trans woman of color, or a white non-trans person, or any other race or orientation, doesn’t mean they can’t can’t be a criminal.

And no, simply being a trans woman of color does not give her justification to stab a police officer in fear for her life.

That is insane to claim and makes me have more sympathy for police when I hear anyone in the public even things that way.


WMDKitty, Daily Kos 9 Comments [8/26/2017 6:04:47 AM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 130999

“Habibty, please mama, wear this hijab for me for five minutes? Please, just for five minutes?” pleaded the mother. The mother had a sorry look on her face. She seemed overwhelmed by the rebellion in her 8 year old daughter’s eyes. “No! It’s ugly! It does not match my pink pants!” Rasha responded as she crouched back in the corner of the leather sofa. Back and forth, back and forth the bargaining droned on.

Embarrassment appeared on her parents’ faces as I stood there witnessing in silent shock. The little girl refused to wear what seemed to her as just a piece of cloth, up until her baba bribed her to wear it for a measly five minutes. Hearing the words “I will buy you a new toy if you do”, the little girl’s face finally lit up.

She tugged his arm and said in a small voice, “Baba is our visitor riding with us in the car? I wanna show her my new Sami Yusuf CD.”

I visited an old family friend I had not seen in many years. I became sorrowful to find that they too had been affected by the wave of corruption that plagues Muslims in the west today.

As my visit went on, it dawned upon me that the couple had also done something strange in their deen. Five years ago, both were clad in full modest clothing waving the banner of the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Today, they live on a mortgage and a conscious effort to make their children blend into the western society. They genuinely believed they were improving and doing the right things.

My afternoon finally ended with a ride to a family dinner. The car speakers blasted a blend of Arabic musical instruments and the words of dhikr, the latest “Islamic” CD that’s hit the shelves. The little 8 year old girl sitting next to me winded about her hips to the music.

At that moment, I realized what was killing this little girl’s heart from loving Allah and His messenger.

Watching her imitate half-naked women she has seen on television while doing dhikr of Allah, it was made clear to me the direction her parents were taking their Islam- the confusing version. The little girl was unsure about her Islam, therefore her rebellion no longer came as a shock to me.

I imagined myself living at the time of the prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) and telling the people that there will come a day when all the faire and flair of musical instruments of jahiliyah will be merged with the dhikr of Allah. I imagined the reaction, and realized that we have come to that.

Music. The shaitan, indeed, makes what is good look evil and what is evil look good.

Sheikh Ahmad Musa Jibril, Ummah 10 Comments [8/26/2017 6:04:01 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130998

Asalaimu aleikum brother

I would destroy them if I were you. The guy sell the instrument to could become a great artist and luring many muslims astray with his musical skills and thus making young muslims addicted to his music and causing even more trouble and fitnah for the ummah.

Ask yourself this; What if the guy that buys my guitar will become the next Micheal Jackson? Dont worry about money, Allah is the one that provides and he will certainly reward you for your noble sacrifice.

May Allah give you the highest positions in jannah and forgive you your sins my brother

McDinky, Ummah 6 Comments [8/26/2017 6:03:51 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130997

(In response to the posting of an article entitled "Clooney Donates $1M to Southern Poverty Law Center" (http://thedailyconservative.com/clooney-donates-1m-to-southern-poverty-law-center/), which was posted to the group with the title "George Clooney gave $1 million to hate group SPLC". Boldface mine):

Yeah, George's career is toast.

So are a lot of the other actors and actresses that came out against Trump.

Like Merrill Streepe, Johnny Depp and Ashley Judd, etc....( the rest of them were already unheard of actors)

Here is my absolute favorite MEME which includes George Clooney

I hope it's still up and running:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6lo89y/trump_to_the_the_future_here_is_my_meme_war/

Sandy

dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 7 Comments [8/26/2017 6:03:46 AM]
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