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Quote# 136206

Commenting on a blog post/following comment discussion about the ridiculously high ages in Genesis and how life could have "devolved" from the "Fall of Mankind" to "The Flood" in only 1656 years, Yahweh's limit on human age (120) and the question whether the earth could have been repopulated from 8 people to the estimated 30 million.

read the whole thread, it's fun.

Robert:

Ok, I'm a nihilist hardcore, but you fellow's don't seem to know much of anything about real nature as studied by science, OK In an oxygen rich environment (about 30% of the atmosphere) cellular repair increases at a phenomenal rate, a human will be able to live an estimate 300+ years with the original atmosphere the chances for have more one child at a time quadruples and also it takes about 500,000,000 years for our galaxy to go in a full rotation each revolution of the galaxy is a galactic day, this is the original measurement of "a day" but in terms of the age of humans the years would also be slightly different since our plant, it's axis, it's revolution rate and orbital rates have changed dramatically due to many cosmic events I.E. massive meteorites and other calamities.


Robert, Dwindling In Unbelief 12 Comments [1/24/2018 3:09:03 PM]
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Submitted By: SomeApe

Quote# 136205

If you’re a woman and have “haram” sex, you’re more likely to get cancer according to a Moroccan cleric.

The cleric, Sheikh Abderahman Sekkach sparked outrage when he came out with his statement on local radio station Chaada FM, especially after he used pseudo-science to justify his bizarre epiphany.

Sekkach argued that when a woman has sex for the first time, her vagina "decodes" her husband’s sperm. So when she has engages in intercourse with someone who is not her husband, her vagina gets confused because it now has to decode the sperm of another man.

This, according to Sekkach, causes cancer in the uterus. He however did not take credit for this new revelation, but said that this new fact was discovered by “Western scientists” who are proving the wisdom of extramarital sex being banned in Islam, despite him also reportedly saying that the West is falling to abyss and has no benefits to Muslims.

He also claimed that this is proof behind God’s wisdom behind the prescribed iddah period, which outlaws women from remarrying for 40 days after they have been widowed or divorced.

“What Western scientists have just found out is what the prophet Muhammad already knew over 1400 years ago. He knew that the uterus needed these 40 days for her vagina to reset its coding. How did he know if it is not the divine miracle?” he said.

Sheikh Abderahman Sekkach, The New Arab 17 Comments [1/24/2018 3:08:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 136204

i know this is like a very stereotypical "tankie" thing to say but like..
i really admire Kim Jong Un ? seeing that level of courage in spite of adversity and leader ship from someone my generation really inspires me as a communist and as a young person.

genius girl, kathy !, Twitter 12 Comments [1/24/2018 3:08:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 136133

To be fair, having a retarded kid is a life ruiner. And society never acknowledges it. If you have a retarded kid you're supposed to grit your teeth and make that kid's well being your absolute priority, and put on a smile because the kid is so sweet and such a blessing, meanwhile you've signed on for way, way more than the 18 years of feeding and occasional teaching most parents do for their kids. You're in what will likely be a life long commitment to raise and physically care for a person who, depending on the disability, will never be able to care for themselves or contribute to society. And not only do you have to do this, you have to be fucking happy about it. I'm not saying there aren't people out there selfless and giving enough to be genuinely happy to raise their retarded child. In fact, there are many men and women who have taken it upon themselves to care for many retarded children who don't have the benefit of willing parents, and they do a great service to society.

But I would hate to be in that position. I mean, I can think of few things worse to have happen to me that don't involve violence. I'm pretty firmly in the camp of medical termination if a problem is known about ahead of time, and I believe it should be possible and acceptable for people who would be overwhelmed by the responsibility of caring for such a child to give the child up to a system designed to care for them, one with those selfless folks I mentioned earlier. Surely there is some middle ground between the horrors of 19th century institutionalization and the way we do things now.

Stereotype_Apostate, Reddit - r/AskReddit 11 Comments [1/24/2018 9:21:31 AM]
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Quote# 136132

( A written review on a childern show called Just add Magic )

what's one more kids' show designed to hook kids on the occult? the real Book they need for the Supernatural, is the Bible. Find GOOD power in there that REALLY rids us of evil, as Jesus' power is the most powerful , kids.
The only redeeming feature of this societal decay enticement is that the spells usually backfire, which is actually realistic. And i thought the kids did a fine job of acting.

D, Amazon Reviews 11 Comments [1/24/2018 9:19:16 AM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 136129

Liberals are such pussies that all it takes is two lines to make them start **LITERALLY SHAKING**



ranceer, Reddit - r/The_Donald 42 Comments [1/24/2018 9:18:24 AM]
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Quote# 136099

Merry X-MAS on behalf of the ANTICHRIST!



'Go to hell, people! BWAHAHAHA!'

Transcript of image: A gif of the pope transforming into a demon.

Hanss, Ezekiel 38 Rapture 10 Comments [1/24/2018 9:13:19 AM]
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Quote# 136090

Yes, God is present even in hell. There is no place (or being) in which God is not present. God, the Creator of all things, maintains everything in existence and knows everything from all eternity. So demons are not freed from the presence of God even in hell. No matter how far a demon wants to draw away from God, he will always be condemned to be in the presence of God.

Even though God is in hell, the demons do not directly perceive His presence. On the contrary, they feel totally distanced from Him. God permits them to have this sensation so as not to torment them. Nevertheless, there is no place or being that can be outside the reach, sight, or power (i.e., the presence) of God.

Father Fortea, Catholic Exchange 13 Comments [1/24/2018 9:12:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 136201

'IS' claims deadly attack on Save the Children office in Afghanistan

An attack on the Save the Children's office in Afghanistan has ended killing two and wounding 20, in the latest violence to strike a foreign aid group in the country. So-called 'Islamic State' has claimed responsibility.

An attack on Save the Children's office in the eastern Afghan city of Jalalabad has ended with at least two people killed and 20 wounded, an official said on Wednesday.

"The fighting has ended. The security forces are clearing the building now," Attaullah Khogyani, a spokesman for the governor of Nangarhar province, told the French news agency AFP.

The four assailants — reportedly dressed as police — fired a rocket propelled grenade from a car outside the British charity's compound in the eastern city of Jalalabad.

They then clashed with security forces for about three hours, a provincial government spokesman said. Afghan TV news channels showed a plume of black smoke coming out of the compound and a vehicle on fire outside the office.

The so-called Islamic State (IS) group later on Wednesday claimed responsibility for the attack. "A martyrdom-seeking operation with an explosive-laden vehicle and three immersing attacks targeted British and Swedish foundations and Afghan government institutes in the city of Jalalabad," IS said via its propaganda arm Amaq.

Jalalabad is the capital of Nangarhar province, on the border with Pakistan. The province has become a stronghold for the so-called "Islamic State" (IS) terror group.

The attack comes days after Taliban militants attacked the Hotel Intercontinental in the capital, Kabul, which killed at least 20 people, including 13 foreigners.

Red Cross 'drastically' reducing presence

The violence against Save the Children, which has been working in Afghanistan since 1976, is the latest in a number of assaults on foreign aid groups in the country.

The International Committee of the Red Cross and Red Crescent announced in October it would "drastically" reduce its presence in the country after seven workers were killed last year.

The decision by the charity highlighted the growing dangers for aid employees, who have increasingly become casualties of a surge in militant violence in recent years.

Islamic State, Deutsche Welle 8 Comments [1/24/2018 8:49:08 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136195

RE: Dreams of ‘Speaker Pelosi’ Return to Majority Shaken as Democratic Advantage on Generic Ballot Slips

(Roger Lepus)
Democrats are going to LOSE more seats in 2018. The economy will be on fire and getting even hotter. People will have more money in their pockets. The US will become energy independent. New higher paying jobs for all, including blacks and hispanics will be here. Democrats only have hate and fear to run on. That no longer works for the American people.

(EOD)
The Polls had Hillary Clinton skating to victory in 2016.
Even up to and including polls on Election Day.

I fail to see why Polling Companies keep believing that most of the Nation is Liberal?
When the facts show that most of the Nation is not Liberal.

(NationalCapitalist)
It's not that polling companies believe the US is liberal, it's that polling companies are liberal and they are purposely over-sampling Democrats in order to create a narrative of inevitable victory for their side.

Ignore the polls that put Hillary ahead in 2016, and get all your family and friends to vote in 2018. Only through sheer determination will we root out this evil that has taken hold of the Nation!

(Rob)
If you're Hispanic with a bunch of illegal aliens in your family, I can sort of see why you would be fooled to vote Democrat. If you're a transgender "male" who really enjoys dressing up "pretty" and going to the bathroom with little girls, I definitely see why you would vote Democrat. If you're white, black, Christian, employed, heterosexual, or just plain generally NORMAL, why the hell would you EVER vote for a Democrat?? The one commonality on all these vulgar, hate-filled, angry leftists is: ZERO FAITH IN GOD. They have hardened hearts. Why black Americans continue to throw their votes away on the party that has enslaved them (literally in the beginning and currently with welfare) is beyond explanation.

(Trump Train aka Honey Badger)
Release the Memo and find those Strzok deleted text prior to midterms and it’s all over for the Dems/RINOS and their Co-conspirators over at the FBI.
President Trump fighting diligently to return our Republic back to the people where it belongs!
Nancy and the Dems are delusional!
Businessman Trump’s economy will be over heated by mid year..even the fake news media is not going to be able to hide its Undeniable Strength!

(Frank Castle)
I died laughing when he called all those shitholes shitholes. We all know he isn't wrong yet these cultists shed crocodile tears about it for days. The faux outrage from individuals like Cory Booker was beyond comical yet these people double down on the antics. Whats gonna be the straw that breaks the camels back, the thing that one of these twits do that makes all the others stfu for awhile?

(roydenoral)
LOL. They know he is doing well so I think they will continue with their antics. One of the first things I liked about Mr. Trump was his lack of political correctness. He tells it like it is, agree those countries are shitholes. They will continue with the racist, homophobe, etc but people are not buying it. There are some great youtubes by Victor Davis Hanson about how Obama destroyed the Democratic party with his identity politics. I recently read that Nancy Pelosi is supposed to be a judge at something like a drag queen contest. It just does not get any funnier.

various commenters, Breitbart 11 Comments [1/24/2018 4:07:29 AM]
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Quote# 136193

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Teenager gets smacked by pro-choice adult"

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Thanks.

This is not meant to judge anyone's past, but to show that the hostility toward Christianity is intensifying. Note, an adult woman attacked a 15 year old girl (because she's Christian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ClhGNFg4g

BlueTheWelshman:
(comment now removed)

Lady Checkmate:
So, Blue, you're proudly advocating the targeted harassment, persecution and attacking of Christians, while simultaneously demanding that others tolerate, accept and place on a pedestal sin and those who worship sin. The hypocrisy and double-standard is blatant. Shame on you. Seek Jesus Christ.



sherylbaker:
"WE " have been under attack for years , but I notice lately it is "in your face " , "you are a racist hater " ......how does this equate ?? I realize their Ignorance of HIM is no more / less than mine was , still sad to see .

Lady Checkmate:
That's the al-left's go-to attack.

Someone says: I disagree with your sin (adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lying, rejecting God, etc.,)
They respond: You're racist.
*Note: All parties are the same race.

It's ridiculous. They're ridiculous, illogical, hateful and violent. It's really sad because real racism exists, but the alt-left is trying to use the AA experience to further their own sinful agenda...pathetic leeches.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 16 Comments [1/24/2018 4:04:50 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136192

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Congress Quietly Pushing Bill To Require National Biometric ID For “ALL Americans”:

(Link: https://www.activistpost.com/2018/01/congress-quietly-pushing-bill-require-national-biometric-id-americans.html)

Lady Checkmate:
Revelations 13:16-18 KJV
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 17 Comments [1/24/2018 4:03:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136191

Headline: "Today's Laugh 1-23-18"



Lady Checkmate:
Lol??. Good one, Mick.
I think I have a couple of liberal tendencies, but they're in line with the word, helping the poor, etc. Thank God, whew??.
Thank you for breaking up the monotony of the day??. Your OPs make my day. I usually try to save them as a way to treat myself, but this one pulled me in right away. I couldn't wait.

Mick Williams:
Ordinary folks can be as funny as those wacky celebrities. Thanks, all--it's fun being a comedian.

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 23 Comments [1/24/2018 4:03:36 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136187

It has been established at CEC that the current portrayal of Canada as a nation populated from the beginning by peoples from diverse cultures and racial backgrounds should be seen as nothing more than an act of deception orchestrated by academics in wilful disregard of the historical evidence for the sake of legitimizing the leftist/global corporate goal of creating a race-mixed Canada against its European heritage.

The record shows, rather, that ninety percent of all immigrants who came to Canada before 1961 were from Britain, that it was only after the institutionalization of official multiculturalism in 1971 that immigrants from the Third World started to arrive in large numbers, that Canada was 96 percent ethnically European as late as 1971, and that immigration itself was not even the most important factor in Canada's population history but the high fertility rates of true born Canadian pioneers.

It has also been established at CEC that the French Canadiens were practically a new people born in the soil of New France, or within lands inside present-day Quebec, driven by the "exceptionally high" fertility rates of women, 5.6 surviving children on average, coupled with honourable patriarchal respect for women with children, the hard work and self-reliance of farmers.

In this article we will show that before the conquest, from Canada's origins up until the 1760s, immigrants played a very small role demographically in the making of Canada. Not only the Quebecois, but the Acadians as well, were a newly created people in the soil of North America. Native born Quebecois and Acadians were the main historical protagonists in the settlement of Canada for almost the first two hundred years.

Another Misleading Text about Canada's "Diverse" History

Don't you believe current historians who tell you that "New France was a multicultural society, with a considerable First Nations population and an African community". This is the message advocated by one of the most widely used texts in Canadian universities, consisting of two volumes, Origins: Canadian History to Confederation, and Destinies: Canadian History since Confederation, by R. Douglas Francis, Richard Jones, and Donald B. Smith. This very successful text, now in its seventh edition, claims that it is a major improvement over "the older texts", not only in incorporating "new historical research", but in showing that "anyone seeking to understand our diversity today must first examine the pre-Confederation era" (Origins, pp. 108, viii, fourth edition).

The two volumes seek to imprint upon students an image of Canada as "diverse" and "multicultural" from the beginning. Needless to say, Amerindians were the first inhabitants of territories that came to be identified as "Canada" only through the establishment of French and Anglo institutions during the 1600s to 1800s. But the "first peoples", the Hurons, Algonquins, Cree, Iroquois, and others, were organized in tribes spread over territories that can in no way be identified as part of "Canada" before Europeans arrived. They were territories actually contiguous with the United States rather than neatly located within Canada. Only in retrospect, through the European science of geography, have they been, and can be, demarcated in the continent of North America for pedagogical instruction, but not as actually existing tribal nations with definite geographical boundaries, since none of these tribes were organized as nations with marked boundaries.

Amerindian cultural areas

European geographers, not the Amerindians, have classified the natives of Canada in terms of six cultural areas, "Northwest Coast", "Plateau", "Plains", "Subarctic", "Arctic", and "Northeast". Indians had an intimate knowledge of the land, the soil, migration pathways of animals, weather, location of rivers, lakes, mountains, upon which the first European settlers and fur traders relied for survival. It was the Europeans, however, who mapped these territories and eventually created our modern institutions from the ground up.

It is extremely anachronistic and misleading to tell students that these tribal groups were members of a multicultural Canada. The French and English, for one, inhabited separate cultural lives, and in respect to the Natives, they inhabited totally different worlds. Their interactions with Natives are best described as interactions between separate peoples, commercial and military interactions, which affected both sides, but which essentially involved the modernizing encroachment of the Anglo-French side upon the Native cultures, leading to a situation in which, by the time of Confederation in 1867, only 1 percent of the racial population of Canada was Amerindian.

This reduction was of course tragic for the Aboriginals. But it is only by identifying them as a separate people that we can acknowledge their distinctive heritage instead of falsely assimilating them into a "multicultural Canada" as co-creators of a nation that only became multicultural in 1971 and in which, to this day, most Natives remain apart.

It is outlandish for Origins and Destinies to tell students that "in 1867" the Natives peoples were one of the three "major groups" that made up "Canada's multicultural society" (Destinies, third edition, p. 1). How can one percent of the population living in "lands reserved for Indians" — to use the official designation of the British North America Act — be identified as a "major" cultural group in Canada, equal to the French and the British, which made up 92 percent of the population?

The historians of these volumes want to have it both ways: an image of a European Canada that "decimated" the Natives through diseases, and an image of "First Nations" as co-partners in the creation of Canada's parliamentary institutions, legal system, schools and universities, churches, and modern economy. They want students to believe that the Natives were the "first peoples", followed by the French and English, as the next two "major groups", followed by the arrival of "non-British and non-French immigrants", as a fourth major group. This fourth group is portrayed as a multiracial lot, even though the statistics contradict any such picture.

The facts about the ethnic composition of immigrants, which this text cannot hide altogether, show that, at the time of Confederation, the English constituted about 60 percent of the population, the French 32 percent, and the remaining "non-British and non-French immigrants" about 8 percent. The non-British and non-French were all whites from Europe and the United States.

Origins: Canadian History to Confederation

There was no "considerable" African community in New France. The facts stated in Origins, which are the only facts that can be legitimately used, contradict this contrived interpretation: from its origins to 1759, only about 1,200 African slaves were brought to New France (p. 111). Another source says that "from 1681 to 1818 there were approximately 4100 slaves in French Canada, representing less than one per cent of the population".

The facts Origins has to rely on, since they are the only historically documented facts, contradict not only its claim that Canada was created by diverse racial groups but also the claim that the Europeans generally were "immigrants". In the case of New France (and let us not forget that the history of New France is basically the history of Canada up until 1763), the text offers a detailed table on the number of French immigrants "by decade" from 1608 to 1759, from which we learn that the total number of immigrants throughout this period was only 8,527 (p. 93). By contrast, the population of New France in 1759 was about 60,000. These numbers are consistent with the numbers I offered in The Canadiens of New France: A People Created Through the Fecundity of the Women — Not Immigration.

Since the French were the first Canadians, and the English proportion in Canada as a whole, before the Conquest of 1763, was scattered and incidental, it behooves us to conclude, on the basis of the above numbers, that immigrants played a minimal role from the time Samuel de Champlain planted the first permanent settlement at Quebec in 1608 up until 1763.

This point can be further accentuated through a consideration of the Acadians. In the calculation of the demographic history of French Canadians, the Acadians are sometimes included without a clear identification of their own demographic identity. The Acadians were another newly created people in the soil of America, not in present day Quebec, but in the maritime part of New France, or in the province of present day Nova Scotia.

The beginnings of the Acadians closely resembles that of the Quebecois; they too began as a small colony of men, or wooden buildings constructed in Port Royal in 1605 by Champlain, but these colonists were forced to return to France in 1607. In 1611, 20 new colonists, including a family, were brought back to Acadie, but this settlement failed as well.

It was only in 1651 that a demographic dynamic was set in Acadie, when about 50 families, or about 500 settlers, were brought in. After 1671, 40 more families were recruited from France, leading to a population of 800+ by 1686. By 1710, there were around 2,000 Acadians, "most of them born in North America" (J.M. Bumsted, 2003, p. 39). The text Origins likewise informs us that the "average Acadian couple usually married in their early twenties and had ten or eleven children, most of whom survived to adulthood" (p. 140).

Without any more French immigration, "the Acadian population multiplied by nearly 30 times between 1671 and 1755". By 1750, "there were more than 10,000", and "in 1755, more than 13,000 (excluding Louisbourg" (Origins, pp. 141-44). J.M. Bumsted tells us that Louisbourg's Acadian population was 3,500 in the 1750s (2011, p. 67).

The British gained control of Acadia in 1713, and in 1749 some 2500 British Americans were recruited, and then in 1750-51 about 1500 German Protestants settled at Lunenburg. This population, however, has not been counted in the above Francophone numbers. We will be writing about British immigration/birth rate patterns in a future article.

In the context of a full-scale war between France and Britain, and the refusal of the Acadians to give a formal pledge of loyalty to the British rulers in Acadia, in 1755-58 the British deported about three-quarters of the Acadian population. By 1762, they had expelled another 3000. However, in 1764, the British allowed about 3000 Acadians to resettle back in Nova Scotia, and by 1800 the Acadians numbered 4000.

It should be noted that in the 1740s there were about 700 Acadians in Prince Edward Island (PEI), then known as Île St-Jean, and categorized as part of Acadia (Nova Scotia). In 1757, approximately 2,000 Acadians had fled to PIE as refugees, which increased the population to about 4,500, but the British expelled many of these Acadians in 1758. A census of 1803 showed a population of nearly 700 in PEI. In New Brunswick, a territory carved out of former Nova Scotia in 1784, there was a population of 4,000 Acadians in 1803, a "result of high birth rates rather than the return of more exiles" (Origins, p. 153; Bumsted, 2011, p. 109).

The conclusion we must reach is quite self-evidential: the Acadians began as a small group of immigrant families, only to grow into a people with blood ties firmly set in Acadia, through a very high fertility rate, with its own unique Francophone identity, with speech patterns quite different from the Quebecois, in a very harsh environment that required the harvesting of salt from the salt marshes, the clearing of forested uplands, the building of dikes to reclaim land from the Bay of Fundy's strong tides; yet establishing themselves with a "far higher standard of living than all but the most privileged French peasants", coupled with a spirit of independence and refusal to submit to external authorities, which led to their expulsion, though not their demise, constituting today about 11,000+ in Nova Scotia, and 25,000 in New Brunswick.

The claim that Acadians were just immigrants no less different to the making of Canada than Sri Lankan Tamils, corrupt Chinese real estate millionaires, and Somalis is patently absurd, a discreditable claim that only academics who are out of touch with historical reality, and shamelessly unburdened by their traitorous attitudes towards their ancestors, would make.

Ricardo Duchesne, Eurocanadian 12 Comments [1/23/2018 1:13:25 PM]
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Quote# 136183

[Emphasis added to give you an idea what Vox considers wacky social justice nonsense]

This isn't Jon's fight. It certainly isn't the comics journalists' fight; they are on the other side. This is a fight for everyone, of the Left and of the Right, who doesn't want to be totally controlled by the social justice warriors. This is for everyone who wants to be able to write what he wants to write, to draw what he wants to draw, and to tell the stories that he wants to tell without facing immediate disemployment and permanent blackballing from the industry.

This is the GamerGate situation on steroids. It is as if all the game developers teamed up with the game journos against the gamers rather than quietly siding with the gamers.

Everyone to the left of me desperately wants to believe that a line will somehow be drawn between them and the evil crimethinkers of the extreme right. But Chuck Dixon, Will Caligan, and Jon Malin all demonstrate that the line will always and continuously move leftward until every individual and organization in the comics industry are forced to converge to the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice in the utmost degree.

That is the goal. Since 1861, that has always been the goal.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 18 Comments [1/23/2018 9:50:59 AM]
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Quote# 136182

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Dear Congress, wearing black to the State of the Union helps no one. Let's have some action"

(Fox News opinion piece was cut and pasted, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/23/dear-congress-wearing-black-to-state-union-helps-no-one-lets-have-some-action.html)

Lady Checkmate:
That's another example of the silly, childish, theatrics and games the alt-left and it's leaders like to play (think of the pink kitty hats). Goofy! Grow up and get to work, adults

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 15 Comments [1/23/2018 9:47:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136178

Are Baha'i Christian?

The Biblical answer is No! But Baha'i will answer, 'yes.' They claim the foundations of Christianity and the religion of Baha'u'llah are one. The foundations of all the divine Prophets and Holy Books are one. The difference among them is one of terminology only.
The Baha'i Faith is essentially rationalistic. "We must not accept traditional dogmas that are contrary to reason, nor pretend to believe doctrines which we cannot understand. To do so is superstitious and not true religion."

Because of this inclination to reject any doctrine that does not seem reasonable to them, Baha'i interpret allegorically, rather than literally, the biblical doctrines of the Holy Trinity, the bodily Resurrection of Christ, the existence of angels and evil spirits, and the doctrines of heaven and hell. Yet, despite this insistence that everything must be understood in order to be believed, they hold that God Himself is impersonal and unknowable. He can only be perceived indirectly through the reflection of his Manifestations - Jesus being ONLY ONE of these NINE, in no manner superior to the other eight.

Baha'i deny that man fell through Adam from his original spiritual and moral state. They affirm that no one is "essentially" bad or evil, but merely imperfect. Sins are characteristics of the lower, baser plane of nature, and education brings deliverance from them. Baha'u'llah taught that men ought not to confess their sins to one another, for this would lead to humiliation and abasement, which he taught, are contrary to God's will.

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. [James 5:16]

Foundations of Christianity vs. Baha'u'llah

Baha'i will argue that whoever acts completely in accordance with the teachings of Christ is a Baha'i. The purpose, they claim, is the essential meaning of Christian, not the mere word.

The purpose is the sun itself and not the dawning points. For though the sun is one sun, its dawning points are many. We must not adore the dawning points but worship the sun. We must adore the reality of religion and not blindly cling to the appellation Christianity. The Sun of Reality must be worshiped and followed. We must seek the fragrance of the rose from whatever bush it is blooming - whether oriental or western.

Baha'i reject the foundation of Christianity - the essential meaning of Christian.

Jesus Christ is the foundation upon which Christianity rests - not one of several manifestations as Baha'i insist.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [John 14:6]

As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone," and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message - which is also what they were destined for. [1 Peter 2:4-8]

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. [Acts 4:12]


Concerning salvation, Baha'u'llah said, "Whoso keepeth the commandments of God shall attain everlasting felicity." And Abdul Baha stated that there is no sin-atoning value in Christ's sacrificial death on the cross. So inadequate was his concept of redemption that Baha'u'llah was able to say of himself: "Fix your gaze upon Him who is the Temple of God amongst men. He, in truth, hath offered up his life as a ransom for the redemption of the world."

The Central conflict between Baha'u'llah's concept of salvation and the biblical revelation on the subject is best shown in where Baha'u'llah stated: "Every age has its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require." In contrast to this, the Bible teaches that the one universal problem of man throughout the ages is sin, his state of moral guilt and consequent alienation from God. Thus the one remedy - the only possible remedy for mankind's dilemma - is the death of Jesus Christ for our sins, a sacrifice sufficient to save all who turn to Him for all time as God tells us in Hebrews 10:10-18.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 13 Comments [1/23/2018 9:45:11 AM]
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(In reply to another member, who wrote: "I do not believe in miracles or the supernatural"):

That is like screaming in a public place, "I'm stupid."

A bacterial flagellum is a motorized system the size of a virus with more power than a NASCAR engine. Mankind couldn't recreate it. A motor has never been observed to be the result of anything but intelligence. But, you want us to believe a bacterial flagellum could be the result of anything but an intelligent being?

The sun is 400 times bigger than the moon. Yet, the same distance to form a perfect solar eclipse as it did last year. You want us to believe that kind of symmetry is result of random chance rather than an intelligent being?

Face it,[...], your belief system is a lie.


KZ

[email protected]Realabortiondebate 16 Comments [1/23/2018 9:45:08 AM]
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Indian education minister dismisses theory of evolution

Scientists condemn Satyapal Singh for saying ‘Darwin’s theory is scientifically wrong’

India’s minister for higher education has been condemned by scientists for demanding the theory of evolution be removed from school curricula because no one “ever saw an ape turning into a human being”.

Satyapal Singh stood by his comments on Monday, saying his ministry was ready to host an international conference where “scientists can come out and say where they stand on the issue”.

“I have a list of around 10 to 15 great scientists of the world who have said there is no evidence to prove that the theory of evolution is correct,” Singh told a crowd at a university in Assam state, adding that Albert Einstein had agreed the theory was “unscientific”.

Singh, who has a postgraduate degree in chemistry from Delhi University, said he was speaking as a “man of science”.

“Darwin’s theory is scientifically wrong,” he said at the weekend. “It needs to change in the school and college curriculum.

“Since man is seen on Earth, he has always been a man. Nobody, including our ancestors, in written or oral, said they ever saw an ape turning into a human being.”

More than 2,000 Indian scientists have signed a petition in response calling Singh’s remarks simplistic, misleading and lacking in any scientific basis.

“It is factually incorrect to state that the evolutionary principle has been rejected by the scientific community,” the statement said. “On the contrary, every new discovery adds support to Darwin’s insights. There is plentiful and undeniable scientific evidence to the fact that humans and the other great apes and monkeys had a common ancestor.”

Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution nearly 160 years ago, arguing that all species, including humans, evolved over time through a process of natural selection. He argued that humans and apes share a common ancestor who lived more than 7m years ago, an idea frequently misunderstood to be suggesting modern apes turned into human beings.

Ancient Indian scholars are credited with advances in astronomy and mathematics including the invention of the concept of zero, but religious nationalist figures have been accused in recent years of pushing “ideological science”.

That includes claims by the prime minister, Narendra Modi, that myths from the origin texts of Hinduism include evidence of plastic surgery and genetic science.

YS Rajan, a prominent scientist, said in response to Singh’s comments that Hindu texts such as the Rigveda included lines that explicitly embraced knowledge from across the world.

“Nothing in ... Bharatiya samskaar [Indian philosophy] would demand rejection of such theory or for that matter any scientific findings,” he wrote on Facebook.

Satyapal Singh, The Guardian 14 Comments [1/23/2018 5:12:08 AM]
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Absolutely. When I give my loyalty to someone, they always come first. I don't give my loyalty to the law or society; when I take on a partner, their welfare takes precedence.

How would I help them? Send them away, somewhere with cameras, so that they have an alibi while I dispose of the body. I move the body into a remote wooded area, dig a pit, body goes in, burn for half a day (have myself a camping trip) smash up any bone fragments so they're unidentifiable, then meet up with spouse for victory celebration.




So your morals go out the window just like that? It's murder, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a murderer.



So your love for your partner goes out the window just like that? If that's morality, then I don't need morals.

Yes, itd be very hard for me to say "I love you, especially the way you murdered that person. I don't care what their family is going through."

Maybe I haven't loved someone enough to see your perspective.


I haven't loved anyone that much. I'm just stating what my idea of love is. It's not something shallow that disappears when it's inconvenient.


Disappears because murdering someone is inconvenient? Wow.



YES. Honestly, this morality bullshit kind of creeps me out.

"I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a murderer." "I couldn't live with myself knowing I'm just letting someone cause harm to society."

They're talking about their significant others, but it sounds like they're talking about complete strangers. Something bad happens and they just completely turn on their partner. Sorry, guess when you got married you should have said "for better or for worse (unless you kill someone; I ain't going to jail)."
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I guess murder isn't a huge deal to you.


Betraying someone's trust is more of a big deal to me.


So your SO kills your mother you'll still help her hide the body?



Probably. My mother can be insufferable. Plus it's not like I can bring her back by turning in my SO.



SteadyHandMcduff, Reddit 14 Comments [1/22/2018 6:34:01 AM]
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Judge Jack Robison appears to be channeling a higher authority recently in Comal County, Texas. Robison interrupted jurors during deliberations to inform the panel that God told him to acquit Gloria Romero-Perez of trafficking a teenage girl for sex. It appears that divine judgment did not track well with the jury, which proceeded to find Perez guilty as charged.

Perez was accused of paying $6,000 (£4,300) to smuggle ta 15-year-old girl to the US from Honduras. She then received money from an older man who had sex with the girl and had a child by her.

Obviously, if this account is true, Robison needs to be stripped from the bench. He was reelected as a Republican to the 207th District Court without opposition. His current term expires on December 31, 2018.
He received is B.A. from Missouri State University and his J.D. from St. Mary’s University of San Antonio. He was reprimanded in 2011 for jailing a grandfather who called him a fool for his ruling on the custody of the man’s granddaughter.

Judge Jack Robison, Jonathan turley 18 Comments [1/22/2018 6:32:39 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 136137

TVN this evening aired its undercover investigation into Polish neo-Nazis.

It focused on the group Duma i Nowoczesnosc (Pride and Modernity), showing how its president last year organised a celebration of the 128th anniversary of Hitler's birth.

At the event, Nazi flags were hung from trees, an 'altar' honouring Hitler was set up, and the participants, some of whom were dressed in Wehrmacht and SS uniforms, gathered around a flaming swastika. At the end they made a toast 'to Adolf Hitler and our homeland, beloved Poland'.

One leading figure in DiM, Jacek Lanuszny, is an assistant to member of parliament Robert Winnicki, the president of Ruch Narodowy (a movement that aims to be the respectable face of Polish nationalism).

TVN reports that, after Winnicki intervened in an investigation into the president of DiM, the national prosecutor's office, which is under the control of justice minister Zbigniew Ziobro, discontinued the case.

As NfP has notes previously, last year the prosecutor's office reportedly intervened to encourage a court to withdraw an indictment against radical-nationalist priest Jacek Miedlar and to reduce the sentence given to his colleague, Piotr Rybak, for publicly burning a Jewish effigy.

Duma i Nowoczesnosc, https://www.facebook.com/notesfrompoland/ 18 Comments [1/22/2018 6:04:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Skidie

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Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 19 Comments [1/22/2018 5:58:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

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Like I said, she doesn't read my articles and couldn't care less about my ministry. She never did. She has no part in my labors for the Lord Jesus Christ! The day she filed for a legal divorce, she no longer had any part in my ministry. Her loss will be great in eternity. Of the thousands of souls saved by God's grace through this ministry, she has no part in any of it. Daniel 12:3, “And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.” I humbly believe that thousands of people will one day thank me in Heaven, appreciate that they were led to Christ through my ministry labors for Christ. To God be all the glory. I have already received many such e-mails from grateful web visitors who've been saved through this ministry. God doesn't reward rebellious, slackard, lazy wives.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 31 Comments [1/22/2018 5:53:48 AM]
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Sermon 21: Against Materialism

By The Rev. William H. Grimes

1 Timothy 2:9 says: "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;"

1 Peter 3:2-5 likewise says "Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands"

Let's talk about these women these days. They go out, trying to look good, with all of this jewelry and this makeup and all of these garments that are immodest and exist solely for them to show off their wicked curves and breasts and whatnot. There is all of these cosmetics, taking HOURS AND HOURS to get ready just to put it on, and then wearing this floral perfume with the raspberry and the vanilla notes or whatever, instead of taking that time to read the Word of God! Get yourself out of the bathroom and into the den reading the Gospel of Matthew! Stop going to the mall to shop and be catty and gossip and all of this, and read the Book of Judges! Get your head into Genesis and not going and buying "cute" garments at Victoria's Secret or Forever 21!!!!!!!! I GUESS THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO LOOK LIKE TAYLOR SWIFT OR SOMETHING!!!! OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

There are even so-called "Christian" women who belong to Roman Catholic or mainline Protestant or even weak sauce "Evangelical" groups such as the Southern Baptist Convention who go about this pursuit of immense and unmitigated vanity!!!!!!!! WHERE ARE THE REAL CHRISTIAN WOMEN GOING AND PROTESTING OUTSIDE OF VAIN AND SICKENING DISPLAYS OF VANITY LIKE ALL OF THESE SEPHORA OUTLETS POPPING UP IN MALLS ALL ACROSS THIS NATION WHILE GOD FEARING CHRISTIANS IN AFRICA ARE STARVING?! WHERE IS THE LOVING AND TOLERANT LEFT ON THIS ONE? OH, BUYING THEIR LIBERAL IPHONES AND IPADS AND IMACS AND IPODS INSTEAD OF GOING AND PROTESTING THESE JEWELERS AND MAKEUP AND PERFUME AND EXPENSIVE IMMODEST GARMENTS LIKE THESE LEGGINGS AND CARDIGANS AND CROP TOPS AND ALL OF THIS OTHER SATANIC TREACHERY! GET A SPINE, YOU MEN! YOUR SO-CALLED "CHRISTIAN" WOMEN ARE TOO WEAK TO TAKE A STAND! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET'S ALL MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT AN END TO THIS MADNESS!!!! NO MORE!! God's people said AMEN!

The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 22 Comments [1/22/2018 5:51:33 AM]
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