Quote# 104424

In the secular worldview, why should a person love his neighbor (one chemical accident) more than a can of motor oil (another chemical accident)? In a secular worldview, would it be morally commendable for a person to sacrifice his own life to save his grandmother - and if so, why?]

Jason Lisle, Jason Lisle's blog 43 Comments [10/31/2014 8:48:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 104423

I feel sorry for older women (e.g. as interviewed by Sylvia Ann Hewlett) who’ve come to the overdue realization that feminist brainwashing has cheated them out of children and a husband. But I feel no sympathy for Maureen Dowd types who are incapable of introspection by age 50. She doesn’t understand that her confused ideology is what’s left her alone.

gc, GNXP 21 Comments [10/31/2014 8:48:15 AM]
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Quote# 104421

Michelle Obama our first lady is a disgrace to all first ladies. She dresses as no first lady ever dressed before. I always tell myself that this just shows the extent of the moral decent of our society- having OUR first lady dress as if she thinks she's a hollywood actress. With no sleeves, tube-dresses, her back showing, etc. This has NEVER in the history of the united states ever happened. First women ALWAYS wore suits and modest attire. That is until Mrs. Obama came along. The presidential inauguration was more like a Hollywood Debut than a presidential inauguration. If you want to look it up for yourself just youtube ''Michelle Obama Inauguration" you can see for yourself. The first lady is supposed to be the prime example of what our american women should be. Our president's wife is exactly the opposite of what this article is trying to stress. With her dress and how she presents herself she is promoting 'dressing to turn heads' and dressing like a prostitute. She has absolutely no class or modesty.

Michelle, Aish.com 39 Comments [10/31/2014 8:47:28 AM]
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Quote# 104414


Fornication
Joe and Lucy have sexual intercourse. Because neither Joe nor Lucy have ever been married, they commit the sin of fornication. If they repent, God will forgive them.


Family
Joe and Janey get married and vow to love and cherish each other until death do they part. Joe and Janey have sexual intercourse and the marriage bed is undefiled. There is no sin in their sexual relationship because they are married. It is their commitment to each other for life that makes them married, not their having sexual relations.


Adultery
Joe and Janey obtain a divorce from the state. Later Rocky finds Janey, a divorced woman. They make vows promising to love and cherish each other until death do they part. Their "marriage" is legal under the state, but God sees them as adulterers. Janey has already made a lifetime commitment to love and cherish Joe. If she has sexual relations with another, she violates her marriage covenant and commits adultery.
Rocky also commits adultery when he marries Janey because she is divorced from her husband. Jesus says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery" (Luke 16:18).
Through the marriage vows, God has made Janey one flesh with Joe and what God has joined together let no man tear apart (Matthew 19:6). Janey was not free to marry Rocky. She is still married to Joe until Joe dies. If Janey and Rocky repent of their adulterous relationship and sin no more, God will forgive them.
If Janey wants to return to God's favor, she has two choices: remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband (1 Corinthians 7:11).
If Rocky wants to return to God's favor, he must separate from Janey. Assuming Rocky has never been married, he is free to marry another because his marriage to Janey was not marriage in God's eyes.




Background
When Joe and Janey were married, they were young and foolish. Neither believed in Jesus Christ. Yet they did make a solemn commitment to be faithful to each other "until death do us part." There is a price to be paid on judgement day if that commitment is violated by marrying another.
Joe and Janey also bought a house and made a commitment to pay a 30-year mortgage. If the terms of that mortgage are not met, there is a price to be paid. They cannot just make the excuse that they were young and foolish and be relieved of their commitment. No, they will have to uphold their commitment or lose the house.
When we get married, it is not just a 30-year commitment. It is a commitment for life. As the years go by, we may find our spouse less than ideal. Many problems arise and we see other potential partners who are far better suited to our tastes. But unlike the 30-year mortgage, we cannot close out the first obligation (marriage) and step into a new one.
If you are married to an unbeliever, but they are willing to live with you, you are not to obtain a divorce (1 Corinthians 7:12-13). If the unbeliever departs, let them go. You are not forced to live with them (1 Corinthians 7:15). However, nowhere in scripture does it say that once they have departed, you are free to marry another.

Embassy of Heaven Church, Pamphlets: Permanency of Marriage 37 Comments [10/31/2014 8:45:13 AM]
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Submitted By: ConcernedCultist

Quote# 104413

As Christians we need to learn to think objectively. We need to question EVERYTHING that man tells us, even the Bible. Remember, I just said to question what MAN tells us. I'm not saying to question the Holy Bible. You can trust God. I am saying to question what MAN tells you from the Bible, because men could be lying or have it wrong, perhaps sincerely, but still wrong. I don't even trust my own opinions, so I'm going to follow the Word of God, whether it makes sense to me or not. God is never wrong! As Pastor John Wilkerson says, “Everything that God does is right!” I like that. Yes Sir, everything that God does is right!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 41 Comments [10/31/2014 8:44:48 AM]
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Quote# 104410

I write about this a lot. Women and men inhabit different universes and the reason for that is biological.

Of course I supported women’s liberation as a child of the 60’s. But it opened a Pandora’s Box and most feminists now are just lunatics. It’s not a sane movement if it ever was.

Intelligence has nothing to do with it. Jewish women are way smarter than Asian chicks but Jewesses were raised under feminism and I understand that they are typical Western hellions.

Before women were like animals in the zoo. Sure, you can make modern zoos as humane as possible, but the animals are still in the zoo. They are not free. Prison is comforting, but at the end of the day, you are in jail and you are not a free man or animal. It wasn’t right to lock women or Blacks or gays in zoos or metaphorical prisons as we did.

Women, gays and Blacks were at best anthropological curiosities. You know, maybe it is fun to feed them and watch them in their cages, but you don’t exactly what them roaming free and really we straight White males are humans and those others are just zoo animals, so they are inferior.

The Liberation Movements of the 1960’s opened up the zoos in which we kept half the population, the queers, the Blacks and the rest. But now really we have the equivalent of lions and tigers running loose in our streets and you can’t call anyone to come capture these dangerous animals because it’s against PC.

Women nowadays are unleashed. They are untamed and feral. Feral women is not a pretty picture. It’s great for some guys and it’s crap for most. They revert to Cavewomen and practice hypergamy and other natural things that civilization was set up to keep in check in order to create a livable society. Women’s Liberation has led to Roissy, PUA’s, the Men’s Movement, Game Theory, the rise of the Republican Party and lots of other strange things. Women hate most of these things, but the truth is that they are children that women birthed.

Robert Lindsay, Beyond Highbrow 24 Comments [10/31/2014 8:44:10 AM]
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Quote# 104407

Ken Hamms Ark Park is sinking.

The trouble began when the park, officially called Ark Encounter, listed its employment opportunities in August. Nestled among the requirements for all job applicants were three troubling obligatory documents: “Salvation testimony,” “Creation belief statement,” and a “Confirmation of your agreement with the AiG statement of faith.” (AiG is Answers in Genesis, Ham’s ministry and Ark Encounter’s parent company.) These first two requirements are problematic enough: The park is quite openly instructing all applicants to pledge that they personally believe in creationist Christianity. If an applicant has other beliefs, her application to Ark Encounter isn’t welcome.


Wisely, the Kentucky Tourism, Arts and Heritage Cabinet, which oversees the dispersal of tax incentives, halted its funding after it saw Ark Encounter’s employment application. Bob Stewart, secretary of the cabinet, wrote to Ham that “the Commonwealth does not provide incentives to any company that discriminates on the basis of religion and we will not make any exception for Ark Encounter, LLC.” Before funding could proceed, Stewart explained, “the Commonwealth must have the express written assurance from Ark Encounter, LLC that it will not discriminate in any way on the basis of religion in hiring.”


In a brash and legally baffling move, Ark Encounter decided to fight back. Mike Zovath, Ark Encounter’s executive director, told reporters that Kentucky was “requiring us to give up our religious freedom and our religious rights,” and denied the validity of the state’s concerns. Given that the tax credits are still subject to final approval—and that approval is contingent upon Ark Encounter not breaking the law—one might expect Ham and his cohorts to simply comply with the state constitution. But they seem committed to the belief that their religious freedom gives them a right to take state funds with one hand and push away non-Christians with the other.


Ken Hamm/Mike Zovath, Salon.com 25 Comments [10/31/2014 8:43:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 104405

Ladies and gentlemen, here is why Pope John Paul II is the antichrist.

Revelation
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Please watch this video http://www.john1429.org/video/antichrist/Antichrist-128.html

That video explains almost everything that I would explain, but it does not go so far as to identify the antichrist, it only identifies the 1st beast of Revelation 13.

To help reduce confusion, it will help to keep this in mind:

God The Father, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit

Satan, antichrist, False Prophet

Satan tries to mimic God in every possible way in order to deceive people. God exists as 3 separate beings and Satan tries to duplicate that.

So here are the key verses that identify Pope John Paul II as the antichrist:
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

A person needs to know a little history to understand this, but in 1929, the Vatican and Italy signed the Lateran Treaty which made Vatican City a separate nation. Nations are ruled by kings, presidents, etc. The Pope is the head of the Catholic church and thus became the king of Vatican City.

If you go here: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_popes
you will find an outdated list of all of the Popes, but you will see that Pope Pius XI was the Pope at the time that the Lateran Treaty was signed, which made him the 1st king.

OK, look at Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is,

Start counting Popes and you will see that Pope John Paul II is the 6th Pope and notice the verse "AND ONE IS". God made certain that there was a distinction given in Scripture. God could have said "4 have fallen........", but He made the 6th king distinctive from the rest.

Then Rev 17:10 says: [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Pope Ratzinger is "the other" Pope, and God says he will continue for a short time. I don't know exactly how short a time, but Pope John Paul II reigned for about 27 years, so I suspect that Pope Ratzinger will reign for 13 years or less.

Now this is where the antichrist appears in this verse:
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The beast that was: John Paul II

and is not: John Paul II died in 2005

even he is the eighth, and is of the seven: this means that one of the Popes is coming back. (for people who are still confused, think of a 7 person softball team and the batting rotation. After everyone has batted once, the first batter comes to bat again, although in this case, the rotation goes to John Paul II)

Does anyone even remember who was Pope before John Paul II? I learned from "momof4survivor" that John Paul II's picture is in a new Bible that she bought, which means that he is still being promoted to the public. He was the most travelled Pope, the most well known, and the most liked Pope in recent memory. Furthermore, the Bible clearly singles him out "AND ONE IS".

Now I have said to you that Satan tries to duplicate everything that God does in order to deceive as many people as possible. When John Paul II appears to come back, it will be Satan trying to duplicate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. John Paul II will NOT be coming back because the Bible says in this verse:

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

This can mean only one thing.... a fallen angel will be impersonating Pope John Paul II.

Kevin Dunn, Kingmannafta 30 Comments [10/31/2014 8:43:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 104404

Yes, I am; spiritually, physically, and legally married....a marriage based on true validity of God's model for marriage. Unfortunately, same-sex addicts desire their lusts to be counted as a reason to selfishly change the meaning of marriage. God doesn't see it their way, according to His Word. It is not enough for one small group to covet what another group has simply so they can think themselves to be "equal". They are not equal no matter how hard they try. There is no possibility of procreation out of their pretense. Same-sex addicts abuse the privilege to make themselves feel warm and fuzzy. Bunny slippers could have given them the same effect.

Marriage is for a man and a woman together. Anything else is just a bootleg caricature of what God created. Same-sex addicts tried to rape angels a long time ago...now they are doing the same thing to marriage. Nothing has changed, even after all these years. Sad.

Princess Sheilyia, Charisma News 25 Comments [10/31/2014 8:43:15 AM]
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Quote# 104403

I disagree that feminism can't explain the same problem in Japan, even when that society is more patriarchal. The explanation for the decrease in the fertility rate is essentially the same. Lots of women are entering the work force and having careers, while men are left to play second fiddle and lose the supporter and mother of their children they need to have a family. In japan, this process has been somewhat accelerated due to the fact that it is so patriarchal, and being a wife means have no career whatsoever.
Myself, I'm not that concerned with the drop in the birth rate.

davidchester, r/DarkEnlightenment/ 17 Comments [10/31/2014 8:43:02 AM]
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Quote# 104402

To be honest, I never understood why people compared the herbivore men in japan with mgtow/redpill etc in the west. I think the causes are fundamentally different. Japanese, as a group, simply are shy and have high anxiety levels. How much of that is cultural and how much is genetic I will let you guess, but either way the result is the same. Extreme timidity prevents marriage and children.

In the west the similar effect, but with a completely different cause. Westerners as a group aren't nearly as timid as that. The are simply responding to the incentives rationally and maximizing their benefit and minimizing their risk. Because of the poor structuring of incentives, you have less marriage and less children.

In china they had a 1 child policy and a cultural bias against daughters, which led to infanticide. So now you have 40 mil more men than women. A shortage of women, not men, is what decreases a demographic.

The only thing common to all is mass education that includes females, but doesn't make them focus on skills and knowledge important for being mothers. Maybe this is the root cause of Japan's and the west's problems, but the factor's above contribute just as much or more in my opinion.

Nemester, r/DarkEnlightenment/ 10 Comments [10/31/2014 8:42:47 AM]
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Quote# 104399

It's kind of funny how all of you are making fun of God right now, but you'll see. Remember September 2011? Obama was called the Antichrist by a heckler. Everyone just BOOED at the heckler, having NO LOVE for Jesus when he was yelling PRAISE JESUS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!

Obama's reaction? "I-I-I believe in t-the L-L-Lord- Hey, did he forget his jacket?

See how he stuttered in FEAR when he said that? he's the ANTICHRIST!

LovingJesus, fstdt.com 46 Comments [10/30/2014 3:37:21 AM]
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Quote# 104397

I don't think anyone believes that someone who is part black can't be a "genius" and that's what all these people above are, PART BLACK (primarily due to the slave trade). One or two of them are actually Nubians, who have more genetic link to Indians and hardly any link to Black Sub Saharan Africans. Now look to the Southern African sub continent and you will have better luck finding a buffet, then you will a "genius". The fact that there is no record in the "White" world of any of the great Black geniuses of antiquity is all the more embarrassing, why would you not make record of it yourselves? Oh I forgot, you were too busy running from lions and cheetahs.

NobleSavage, Newsone 25 Comments [10/30/2014 3:31:53 AM]
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Quote# 104396

Someone says to Ralph: You can look in the fossil record and see a dog like mammal slowly develop into a dolphin like mammal, is this not proof of evolution?

Ralph's response: There are no fossil records of intermediate stages of any animal. You may have a fossil of a dog like creature and then a fossil of a dolphin, but that proves nothing other than there was a dog like creature and there was a dolphin.

Ralph, Behind the Badge 33 Comments [10/30/2014 3:31:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 104395

In a way you have to feel sorry for atheists. They say that they aren't a religion but all they ever do is talk about God. They have even formed churches where they gather to encourage each other to pretend He doesn't exist.

Now they are producing tracts.

Good for them. They continue to remind people about God, about sinful man committing atrocities, and the fact that we live in a fallen creation filled with disasters.

It’s the old “Don’t think of pink elephants” thing. If you tell someone not to think about something, and they will automatically do it.

May God condescend to use these folks for His glory...as He did with Pharaoh. with kings, and a host of other little rebels who thought that they were doing their own thing.

Ray Comfort, Facebook 45 Comments [10/30/2014 3:30:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 104394

Jesus says to turn the other cheek and love them. He also says to dislike the sin, but to love the sinner. Indeed, I can't find any passage in the New Testament where Jesus is vengeful or angry, except when dealing with the moneychangers in the temple. Disappointed, yes, as in his disappointment with "Doubting" Thomas (who may actually have been his twin brother, Didymus Thomas) and with Peter, at times, but no actual rage.

However, the Koran does say to kill the sinner. Period.

Something I keep seeing here is that people try to say, "Well, Christianity is evil, too." No, not really. There is what the holy book says, and how it is interpreted. No one can deny the Christianity has been applied and misinterpreted poorly, at times. No one. However, that's what it was, a misinterpretation. Again, I can find no place in the New Testament where Jesus commands his followers to kill. Far from it. He teachers tolerance and accommodation ("Render unto Caesar...").

In contrast, the Koran does no such thing. It is chock full of violence, threats, and examples of killing, enslaving, etc. It isn't a matter of interpretation - its there in black and white.

This website does a pretty good job of breaking down and explaining the verses containing violence in the Koran, especially those against infidels: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm . It also attempts to read these verses in context, pointing out where things aren't quite so open to interpretation, but instead are commands to kill.

Check it out with an open mind.

Aptivaboy, Starship Modeler Discussion Forums 39 Comments [10/30/2014 3:28:25 AM]
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Quote# 104391

I write about spiritual witchcraft each year to alert people of the spiritual conditions, not so they can dread or fear but so they can resist and overcome. It's not about any witch cursing anybody, it's about a spiritual sensitivity to the atmosphere that born-again, Spirit-filled believers have.

When demonic activity is rising in a city, a sensitive Christian will discern it. Unless you know what is operating, you will think the imaginations against your mind are you, or the fatigue is natural because you get up so early, or the feelings of giving up are legitimate because of the long trial you've endured. The Word of God says, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" (Hos. 4:6). I've discovered again and again that when I share the revelation on spiritual climates, this truth sets people free to submit themselves to God and resist the devil so he'll flee.

Jennifer LeClaire, Charisma News 24 Comments [10/30/2014 3:27:39 AM]
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Quote# 104387

To God, the cutting words I let fly out of my mouth in an argument are as bad as molesting any child. There is no such thing as an excusable sin. Oh yes, we justify our sins all day long and expect God to judge us according to our internal motivations and the pressures we were under while we demand that He judge others harshly based only on their final actions. This is hardly Christlike. God knows that humans always have reasons for the things they do—reasons that make sense to them. The child molester keeps assaulting children for the same reason the caffeine addict keeps frequenting coffee shops: both are driven by strong internal hungers that they feel they cannot control. It’s easy enough for us to say “just stop” to the molester, but at the same time we refuse to “just stop” drinking caffeine or watching television because we secretly know we can’t. We’ve become slaves to our biological desires just as much as the molester has and we feed our addictions far more often than he does, yet we still argue that the molester is in a completely different category. This is hypocritical, self-serving judging that will not get us any nearer to Christ. To gain intimacy with God, we must learn to see sin and sinners from His perspective, and we won’t do this until we see Him as the ultimate cause of all pain.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 20 Comments [10/30/2014 3:19:41 AM]
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Quote# 104386

God is the primary cause of all pain, and He usually uses some secondary cause to inflict it on us. Humans and demons often play the role of secondary causes. For example, God sees my rapist going on the hunt for his next victim. The man has chosen his course, God has not forced him into it. But God now chooses to lead the man directly to my bedroom instead of sending him to some other woman or entirely blocking his path.

Anna Diehl, The Pursuit of God 20 Comments [10/30/2014 3:19:32 AM]
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Quote# 104383

My feeling is at this point, the perverts need to have their faces stomped on. Nothing less than that will shut them up again. I still say machine guns should have been deployed at Stonewall.

Viennacon , Free Republic 24 Comments [10/30/2014 3:18:57 AM]
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Quote# 104382

(A user was talking about her mentally disabled daughter volunteering and going to public school)

I could train a rat to communicate more than your said daughter can, AND the rat wouldn't drool. Let's say I wanted to take my rat to your older daughter's class and have it go to school there, so resources will be taken away from your daughter's class to teach my rat how to minimally communicate, because to me it's a big deal for it to communicate even a little? You would say "No, because the rat is not capable of learning, it doesn't belong there! If YOU care about teaching it how to nod it's head when it's hungry, then YOU teach it that yourself at home. It's not going to learn writing and mathematics, so it has no place is school with my child!", and you'd be right.

I thought hard about this because someone earlier pointed out that they are disabled and thus a burden to society, but they still deserve education. While I am somewhat financially conservative, I don't believe in a pure free market society, so for example, if a fourth grade boy has a terminal disease that will definitely kill him within five years (aka, he'll never use his education to contribute financially to society), then I still think he deserves to sit in that fourth grade class. Why? Because he's capable of sitting in history class and learning history, and that's where he's supposed to be. But a turtle that will live to be 120 has no right to be sitting in that history class because he's not learning history, he's just sitting there. School is for people who are capable of learning on that level!

If the city offers your older daughter and everyone her age free swim lessons, and I show up with a kid who is allergic to water and demand that my kid get skydiving lessons, what would you say? Would it be fair for my child to take away a teacher from the swim class and take away huge amounts of $$$ so that my kid can learn skydiving? Would you be happy that now your child sits in a class with a much worse teacher-to-student ratio, and now there isn't the money to teach butterfly stroke? Because that's exactly what you're doing.

I love cats and am all for volunteering, but what your daughter does is not impressive at all. Petting the cats is the fun part! There is so much more that needs to be done like changing the litter boxes and washing their dishes, feeding them, cleaning them. I hardly call "petting" volunteering because it's not something anyone would ever get paid to do. Most small children love animals and would give up their allowances to be able to go pet kitties. The fact that you're proud of your daughter over this just shows how far removed from reality you are. If a normal child convinced her parents to take her to the shelter and let her pet the cats, would you say "well, aren't you lucky that your parents let you do that?!" or "wow, you really deserve respect for petting cats!"?

Your daughter is less of the amazing volunteer making-the-world-a-better-place, and more of your own beloved pet rat whose tricks you love, who you are forcing upon the public schools.

Itsfuntorun, Free Jinger 31 Comments [10/30/2014 3:18:50 AM]
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Quote# 104381

[On a post discussing a Church having a "Koran Burning Day" most of the posters express disgust.]

To be honest, if they burn us flags and bibles then they should not get upset when we burn quarans.

Soban, Christian Messageboard 29 Comments [10/30/2014 3:18:11 AM]
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Quote# 104380

[When told by a person in a gay relationship that ending her relationship would be harmful for her in a dicussion on Religion and Homosexuality Soban responds]

Just because the kid considers a spanking harmful, does not mean it is.

Soban, TvTropes 17 Comments [10/30/2014 3:18:00 AM]
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Quote# 104379

Gays infected the blood supplies on purpose ages ago killing thousands and infecting hundreds of thousands with Aids . for just that purpose of making america find a cure to save their own butts.
so your saying O isn't capable of it playing Simon says.. follow the leader.. .?
or africans aren't capable of doing what militant gays already did to America once twice going going gone.. sold america. ? every bit as militant Terrorist attack against americans as any thing islam has done.
and they militantly murdered thousand of already sick people. and purposely infected thousands of children and healthy alike. . but the guberments did nothing.
I going to tell you, you really don't understand humanity at all dear.

NannaNae, christianforums 9 Comments [10/30/2014 3:16:54 AM]
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Quote# 104375

[In a discussion involving a Church having a "Koran burning day" most of the posters express disgust, except a few]

Well now, let's SEE.

How about pornography? Should there be ANYTHING wrong with destroying such FILTH?

How about a manifesto of HATE written BY the KKK? Is there ANYTHING wrong with BURNING such 'trash'?

If we are AT WAR with EVIL, is there ANYTHING wrong with DESTROYING the MEANS by which evil is DISTRIBUTED so far a WRITINGS are concerned?

In other words, how about a Satanic Bible? Anything WRONG with using it as TENDER and burning it?

If Christians AREN'T SUPPOSE to be involved with POLITICAL issues such as this, then WHY has HITOMI started such a THREAD to START WITH. Isn't this discussion ITSELF a matter of GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE POLITICS INVOLVED WITH IT?

I believe that it's pretty hypocritical to SPEAK out AGAINST being involved with politics by GETTING involved with POLITICS.

And folks, we are not talking about BURNING MUSLIMS. Just the "BOOK OF HATE" that they follow.

I would imagine that there is NOT A ONE of us that would object to a pastor BURNING a copy of 'gay porn' that was found in a place accessible to their CHILDREN. But as far as I am concerned, a book teaching the worship of a 'false god' could be MORE dangerous than pornography.

And the pastor couldn't POSSIBLY burn ALL copies in order to eliminate it from existence. It is MORE about what it REPRESENTS than the BOOK itself.

And ANYONE that chooses to ARGUE this point needs to READ IT FIRST BEFORE coming to an OPINION of it's validity.

Is it NOT our DUTY as followers of Christ to help our neighbors? Then if we KNOW that something LIKE the Quaran has the POTENTIAL to destroy someone, wouldn't it be PRUDENT to TRY our best to KEEP this from happening?

Or, are CHRISTIANS suppose to become POLITICALLY CORRECT and follow SECULAR ROUTES in their FAITH? you know like, 'I believe that everyone should be FREE to DO whatever they CHOOSE'. That is about as CONTRARY an attitude as could EXIST as pertaining to THE WORD. NEVER have we been instructed that it is NOT our DUTY to protect and AID them IN NEED. And them that are ignorant of the potential DAMAGE following FALSE gods can lead to are CERTAINLY IN NEED Of HELP. Is it NOT our JOB to WARN them or even keep such material SEPARATE from them that have YET to 'grow up' enough to know better themselves? You don't leave a LOADED pistol laying around on the coffee table and then act SURPRISED when your two year old picks it up and SHOOTS someone. You PUT IT UP and KEEP it separated from them.

What is the DIFFERENCE between THAT and allowing someone that has YET to come to an understanding of the TRUTH become exposed to that which is able to SPIRITUALLY DESTROY THEM? Is it OK if we KNOW better to simply LET IT HAPPEN in the GUISE of 'freedom'? Or should we AT LEAST WARN them if not DO what we are ABLE to separate them from something like that UNTIL they are MATURE enough to READ it without it having the ABILITY to negatively influence them?

Just speculation and QUESTIONS that I believe DESERVE an HONEST answer BEFORE ONE takes on an OPINION. Especially THEM claiming to be FOLLOWERS of Christ. From a SECULAR standpoint, SURE, live and let live. Let it ALL HANG OUT. Do what thou wilt shall be all the law. WHO cares, it's JUST a book. But from a 'Christian standpoint', do ANY of these REALLY apply to us 'standing by' and WATCHING our brothers and sisters destroy themselves SPIRITUALLY? I WONDER?

And Faith, what if I took THIS same attitude and applied it to service to God through His Son? Just because someone CAN offer their love to another doesn't mean that they SHOULD?..............................................

If someone was burning Bibles, would it cause ANY here to want to "GO TO WAR" over such behavior? I may well WARN them burning them of the potential consequences. But so long as they weren't burning MY copies, more power to them.

But LOOK at the UPROAR that has come about concerning the burning of the Quaran. They are THREATENING that it will cause dissension to the point that our PRESIDENT was rebuking a pastor IN AMERICA about burning a BOOK. And THEN our president has the AUDACITY to stand up in FRONT of the American people and LIE to them about Islam. Stating that we are 'NOT AT WAR with ISLAM'. While what he stated is a PARTIAL truth, (most Americans don't even KNOW what Islam STANDS FOR), they are CERTAINLY at war with US. You are either ONE OF THEM, or you are THEIR ENEMY according TO the Quaran.

Imagican, Christian Messgeboard 58 Comments [10/29/2014 3:38:15 AM]
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