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Quote# 143062

There’s this doctor who’s written books about all these hellish NDEs. How come he has so many people in hell and other researchers don’t hardly at all?”

The doctor was cardiologist Maurice Rawlings, in Chattanooga, who did indeed write almost a half-dozen books about hellish near-death experiences between 1978 and 2008 (he died at 87 in 2010). Here’s what I can say with any certainty about why he reported encountering so many distressing experiences.

Rawlings told the story of his patient who collapsed during a stress test, and “before we could stop the machine, he dropped dead.”

Well, apparently not completely dead, because in the patient’s own words,

“When I came to, Dr. Rawlings was giving me CPR, and he asked me what was the matter, because I was looking so scared. I told him that I had been to hell and I need help! He said to me, ‘keep your hell to yourself, I’m a doctor and I’m trying to save your life, you need a minister for that.’ … And I would fade out every so often, so then he would focus CPR again and bring me back…Whenever I would come back to my body, I kept asking, “Please help me, please help me, I don’t want to go back to hell.” Soon a nurse named Pam said, “He needs help, do something!” At that time, Dr. Rawlings told me to repeat this short prayer. “I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus, save my soul. Keep me alive. If I die, please keep me out of hell!”

The experience of the patient, Charles McKaig, then became pleasant, and he reported seeing his deceased mother and stepmother and being surrounded and comforted by the Holy Spirit. Upon awakening, he was an immediate evangelical Christian.

In Rawlings words, “After this was all over, I realized what really happened. It was a double conversion. Not only had this make-believe prayer converted this atheist … it had also converted this atheist doctor that was working on him”

Years later, Rawlings told his audiences,

“If you can catch people before they die and give them the option of accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior, then they can’t loose [sic] whether they live or die. That is with them forever. And when they die like this, we don’t have to question where they went. And the preacher will be right when he says they are in Heaven. She went to heaven to be with God.

“But for those who die on the street, where do they go? It is the minister’s fault, your fault and mine because we did not approach them with the Gospel which is the free gift to anyone that wants it.”

Essentially, that is the backstory of why Maurice Rawlings reported so many hellish experiences: He wanted to get people’s attention in order to save them from the hell he believed in; he wanted to give them a chance to accept a faith he trusted completely, and telling heavenly NDE accounts was not going to achieve that. He was being steadfastly and thoroughly evangelical.

Despite his faith, a great many people object strenuously to that point of view and discount his work because of it. The real problem underlying the Rawlings material, however, is not theological. The problem is, as his fellow cardiologist (and fellow evangelical Christian) Michael Sabom pointed out repeatedly, a distortion of data.

A reading of any of Rawlings’ books will immediately give the impression that he resuscitated countless near-death experiencers—he himself said that his first book summarized “several hundred” cases—and heard their testimonies immediately, roughly half of them “hellish.” Sabom’s painstaking investigation of Rawlings’ data turned up quite a different picture.

Despite what was reported in Beyond Death’s Door, those “several hundred” cases “were represented by only 21 cases of ‘heavenly NDEs and 12 ‘hellish’ NDEs. Many of these were clearly not from Rawlings’ own practice, having been excerpted from other published sources. Others were simply left unidentified.”

The same situation presented with To Hell and Back, Rawlings’ second book. In a 1996 review in the Journal of Near-Death Studies, Sabom noted that of the 32 cases Rawlings claimed, twenty “were clearly lifted and referenced from other sources, and six were personally acquired examples used in his previous books. The remaining six NDEs appear to be new, previously unpublished accounts obtained from his own experience. However, two of these six cases were mentioned only in passing and never described.”

In other words, by reusing previous accounts and padding from other sources, Rawlings was able to give the impression of a greater number of distressing NDEs than he actually had. Further, his books leave one with the impression that many, many more distressing NDEs would be revealed if only people were interviewed immediately upon resuscitation. Sabom’s research indicated that conclusion also not to be supported by the data.

“In fact,” Sabom wrote, “the cases he presents actually seem to favor the opposite conclusion: out of 15 ‘hellish’ cases, ten (67 percent) were clearly shown to have been brought to Rawlings’ attention long after the golden ‘first few minutes’ after resuscitation, four were elicited at an unspecified time, and one 7 percent) was clearly noted as immediate.”

There are too many other problems to detail here. The gist of them all is that Rawlings, who was without question a lovely man, sincere in his beliefs and genuine in his concern for people, was working from a highly personal agenda more than from a desire for unbiased information.

What Michael Sabom reported after years of carefully reviewing Rawlings’ work was this:

[Rawlings] establishes himself before his audience as a cardiologist with impeccable credentials, a near-death researcher, and a committed Christian. Using these medical, scientific, and religious qualifications, he then presents the NDE as a glimpse of an afterlife and directly applies the Christian doctrine of heaven and hell to these experiences. This gridlike approach, however, poses problems to Rawlings in his interpretation of his and others’ research when the type of person (for example, non-Christian) or type of near-death event (for example, suicide attempt) does not jibe with the expected afterlife destination (for example, hell). Rawlings confronts the data of others with authoritative statements substantiated with little or no data of his own and illustrated with anecdotal accounts that, over time, appear to have been altered to fit his own designs…”

Sabom concluded, “I am a Christian and believe in heaven and hell. Based on current knowledge, however, we have much to learn about the NDE, both distressing and pleasant, before we can say confidently just what the experience means and how it fits into our spiritual beliefs.”

What this says to us is that before believing any claim about “ultimate truth,” or any researcher’s sincere pronouncement of having a final explanation about NDEs, it is wise, as Dorothy discovered about the Wizard of Oz, to look behind the curtain to find out who is providing the answers, where they are getting their facts, and what other people of substance are saying about them. This is not cynicism but discernment.

Maurice Rawlings, Dancing Past the Dark 12 Comments [3/31/2019 1:38:09 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 143059

(=Video in the link in a sermon by Pastor Charles Lawson that can't be copy and paste=)

HELL FIRE: The Most Powerful Sermon Ever!!!

Are you sure you're going to heaven when you die? Or are you willing to chance your eternal soul and possibly end up in hell fire?? Why not make sure of the matter today, while there is still time?

The good news is: You can KNOW that you're going to heaven. The Bible clearly states:

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13

You see, God wants us to KNOW, and have the matter settled. There can be no misery greater than living life wondering if some day you will lift up your eyes in hell!

The Bible so wonderfully makes salvation clear. It is a gift given of God, that cannot be earned in any way of our own doing.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." Titus 3:5

Jesus Christ made this wonderful, free salvation possible.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Do you see what the verse says? It is simply BELIEF, or rather FAITH, TRUST, in Jesus Christ that saves. I am so thankful for these following verses that tell of man who sincerely wanted to be saved, and was told how:

"Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:29-30

Christ came to this earth, God in the flesh, a perfect man who never committed sin. He sacrificed His life of the cross of Calvary, shed His blood, as PAYMENT for our sin. You see, our sin separates us from a perfect and Holy God. We have no way to approach God in and of ourselves, for He is HOLY, righteous, perfect, and pure. He cannot tolerate sin. So Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world, that we might be reconciled *(bought back) to God. We can come to the Father through Jesus Christ His Son!

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

So what must I believe, more specifically, about Jesus Christ to be eternally saved, you may ask...? You are saved by BELIEVING the good news of the Gospel, Christ's death, burial, and resurrection!
When you accept this beautiful truth, that Christ loves you and died for YOUR sins, and arose from the grave FOR YOU, TO SAVE YOU FROM HELL, and you simply say yes to Him (call upon the Lord), in child-like simplicity, offering nothing of yourself or self-righteousness to God, but clinging only to CHRIST'S MERIT and HIS righteousness, YOU WILL BE SAVED.

1 Corinthians 15 says:

"1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 BY WHICH ALSO YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Would you be willing to put your whole-hearted faith on Jesus to make it to heaven... instead of trusting yourself and your own way? If you say yes, and will trust what the Bible promises to every sinner who would believe on Jesus Christ, would you humbly go to God in prayer and ask Him to save you in the name of Jesus?

God bless you all who watch my videos. I pray many will come to know of the wonderful saving grace of Jesus Christ.

ThyWillBeDone1985, Youtube 4 Comments [3/31/2019 1:35:05 AM]
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Quote# 143058

You're right on some stuff and very wrong on others. I agree man is a soul(Read genesis, the creation of Adam) but he was not created mortal either.....Adam and Eve were immortal until the fall of man and sin, that's where death came in. Only through Christ/repentance/regeneration/getting saved can we go back to God's original plan for humanity before Satan butted in and receive eternal life in Heaven....simple as that. Man was always intended to be immortal because God is immortal and we're created in His image.....it's just common sense and it's Biblical. The whole "spirit departing from the body after death" comes from Platonism and Gnosticism and is not Biblical at all.....very pagan stuff and complete bullshit. A lot of people get these things backwards including Christians who are very ignorant and don't read scripture carefully or do research. No, the Bible does not teach "annihilationism" where are you getting that? Scripture please. The Bible is very clear on eternal punishment/lake of fire(plenty of scripture for this), man is eternal either way no matter what you believe because the Bible/God says so. We're only "mortal" for a short while. The question is: where are people going to spend eternity? Heaven or Hell.....it's that simple.

Austin Willcut, Youtube 3 Comments [3/31/2019 1:34:36 AM]
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Quote# 143057

A Letter From Satan To The So-Called Christian

Are You A "True Follower Of Jesus"?! ...Does You Lifestyle Show It?!

Watch this video - then ask yourself - if some - or all of the sins mentioned - are an intentional, habitual and/or continual part - of your everyday "Christian" Life.

If so - you need to examine yourself - to see if you are a "True Follower Of Jesus".

MESSIAH MINISTRIES, Youtube 8 Comments [3/31/2019 1:34:20 AM]
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Quote# 143050

(responding to story "CANADIAN COURT ORDERS CHRISTIAN TO PAY $55,000 TO TRANS POLITICIAN FOR CALLING HIM 'BIOLOGICAL MALE'" - link to story goes here:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-orders-christian-to-pay-55000-to-trans-politician-for-calling-him-biological-male)

Canada hates Christians and Christianity. Canada should be on global watch-lists for Christophobia. Canada is a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah. Canada is known for supporting all manner of immorality, including pedophilia and bestiality. Trudummy has the spirit of the antiChrist and is willing to tolerate anything except Truth, Jesus Christ.

If you are a Christian Canadian, pray about moving to a Christian-friendly country. There aren't many, but almost anything is better than Canada-at least almost anything is better for Christians than Canada.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 32 Comments [3/30/2019 12:52:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143048

If you are a slut you should be ashamed.


Or removed from society. Only thing in Islam I agree with.

CivNat88, Voat 13 Comments [3/30/2019 12:52:17 PM]
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Submitted By: WarGoatHK417

Quote# 143040

Have you seen the OMG LOL WTF opening prayer at the Pennsylvania state House that's got everybody talking about what a crazy ass GOP state Rep. Stephanie Borowicz is? The one what happened the same day the legislative body swore in its first Muslim rep, Democrat Movita Johnson-Harrell, who had brought all her friends and family to celebrate the occasion with her, many of whom were also Muslims?

It was OH MY DEAR SWEET JESUS, but we don't mean that in a religious way, or in a nice way.

https://youtu.be/RLVrgWygwQo

First off, we must note that these sorts of opening prayers are fucked up and weird and seem to fly in the face of that whole "separation of church and state" thing. (There's been a bit of controversy about this in Pennsylvania!)

We also must note that Rep. Borowicz herself responded to the controversy by saying, "That's how I pray every day," she is not sorry, and we believe her when she says all her prayers are that batshit.

And oh boy, do we mean batshit! Far be it from Wonkette to make fun of a person's personal praying style, haha just kidding, LET'S DO IT.

Borowicz started out with that whole "HEY LORD" casual Southern Baptist crap, like you are just asking God how it's hangin', but then she quit fucking around and got serious. She told Jesus some things about himself and reminded Him of all His greatest hits, kind of like when Trump's Cabinet praises him before a meeting. She shouted "JESUS" no fewer than one million and eight times, we guess because you have to say "JESUS" a lot to make sure you have His holy attention, as JESUS is reportedly bad about playing with His iPhone these days while people are praying.

It's around the 1:22 mark when House Speaker Mike Turzai, who is also a Republican, kind of casually looks over at Borowicz like "the fuck is happening right now?" Around then, Borowicz begins explaining Jesus some evangelical GOP talking points about Donald Trump protecting Israel. (Is that a tell that really she meant this prayer as a dogwhistle, because OMG MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE, or is it just because Michele Bachmann types can't fucking shut up about their extremely two-faced support for Israel, which is in and of itself pretty anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim, considering why they support Israel? Only God knows her heart.)

It's at the 1:46 mark, when Borowicz is wrapping up her long-winded Amen, when Turzai literally nudges her like "in the name of Jesus CUT IT THE FUCK OUT."

We thought she might break out in tongue-speaking, but maybe Turzai's nudge interrupted the Holy Spirit's flow. Shit happens.

Are people offended? Oh yes, they are! Because even if Borowicz didn't literally mean her prayer like WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE, MUSLIMS, it sure came across that way to a lot of people, on such a historic day in the Pennsylvania state House.

As the prayer reached a crescendo, at least one member shouted objections. Turzai, standing behind her, looked up again and nudged her elbow, prompting her to quickly conclude the address. Afterward, the protests only grew louder.

"It blatantly represented the Islamophobia that exists among some leaders — leaders that are supposed to represent the people," Rep. Movita Johnson-Harrell, the newly sworn-in Democrat who is Muslim, told the Pennsylvania Capital-Star on Monday. "I came to the Capitol to help build bipartisanship and collaborations regardless of race or religion to enhance the quality of life for everyone in the Commonwealth."


Johnson-Harrell has also said she would like Borowicz to be censured. The governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Wolf, was reportedly "horrified."

The top Democrat in the state House had thoughts:

"Never have we started out with a prayer that divides us," House Minority Leader Frank Dermody said to applause from Democratic members. "Prayer should never divide us. It should bring us together."


And this guy walked out:

I walked off the House floor in protest during today’s prayer led by a GOP member. This fire and brimstone Evangelical prayer was before the swearing in of the PA House’s first ever Muslim woman. It epitomizes religious intolerance.
— Rep. Kevin J. Boyle


And this Democratic rep, a Christian man, also had thoughts:

Prayer should never be weaponized, especially on a celebratory day for @RepMovita as she’s sworn in as the 1st Muslim woman to serve in the #PAHouse. This prayer was deeply disrespectful and meant to intimidate Movita & her family. We won’t stay silent on what matters! #LoveWins
- Rep. Jordan A. Harris


As for Borowicz, as we noted, she is not sorry, because it ain't your business what she says to the Lord, whose name is JESUS, did you hear His name is JESUS, all you Muslim people in the chamber? Oh, you knew that, because of how Jesus is a beloved prophet in your religion? OK well anyway, JESUS!

On Monday, Turzai, the GOP House speaker, reminded everyone to at least try not being total dicks while they're praying:

"As you are preparing your thoughts, we'd ask that you craft a prayer that is respectful of all religious belief," Turzai said.


At press time, Vice President Mike Pence was thinking about calling Borowicz and appointing her to be the new Space Force Secretary Of Going To The Moon And Stickin' A Cross In It For Jesus, just kidding, he's not allowed to talk to women unsupervised because Mother is worried he'll accidentally fuck them.

Penn. Rep. Stephanie Borowicz (R), Wonkette (Progressive blog) 6 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:59 PM]
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Submitted By: SpukiKitty

Quote# 143035

I’ve thought about writing this letter for a long time. I waited, hoping that fashions would change and such a letter would be unnecessary — but that doesn’t seem to be happening. I’m not trying to insult anyone or infringe upon anyone’s rights. I’m just a Catholic mother of four sons with a problem that only girls can solve: leggings.

The emergence of leggings as pants some years ago baffled me. They’re such an unforgiving garment. Last fall, they obtruded painfully on my landscape. I was at Mass at the Basilica with my family. In front of us was a group of young women, all wearing very snug-fitting leggings and all wearing short-waisted tops (so that the lower body was uncovered except for the leggings). Some of them truly looked as though the leggings had been painted on them.

A world in which women continue to be depicted as “babes” by movies, video games, music videos, etc. makes it hard on Catholic mothers to teach their sons that women are someone’s daughters and sisters. That women should be viewed first as people — and all people should be considered with respect.

I talk to my sons about Princess Leia and how Jabba the Hutt tried to steal her personhood by putting her into a slave girl outfit in which her body became the focus. (That’s the only scene in the whole franchise in which Leia appears in such a way — and it’s forced upon her.)

Leggings are hardly slave girl outfits. And no one is forcing them on the countless young women who wear them. But I wonder why no one thinks it’s strange that the fashion industry has caused women to voluntarily expose their nether regions in this way. I was ashamed for the young women at Mass. I thought of all the other men around and behind us who couldn’t help but see their behinds. My sons know better than to ogle a woman’s body — certainly when I’m around (and hopefully, also when I’m not). They didn’t stare, and they didn’t comment afterwards. But you couldn’t help but see those blackly naked rear ends. I didn’t want to see them — but they were unavoidable. How much more difficult for young guys to ignore them.

I’ve heard women say that they like leggings because they’re “comfortable.” So are pajamas. So is nakedness. And the human body is a beautiful thing. But we don’t go around naked because we respect ourselves — we want to be seen as a person, not a body (like slave-girl Leia). We don’t go naked because we respect the other people who must see us, whether they would or not. These are not just my sons — they’re the fathers and brothers of your friends, the male students in your classes, the men of every variety who visit campus. I’m fretting both because of unsavory guys who are looking at you creepily and nice guys who are doing everything to avoid looking at you. For the Catholic mothers who want to find a blanket to lovingly cover your nakedness and protect you — and to find scarves to tie over the eyes of their sons to protect them from you!

Leggings are so naked, so form fitting, so exposing. Could you think of the mothers of sons the next time you go shopping and consider choosing jeans instead? Let Notre Dame girls be the first to turn their backs(ides) on leggings. You have every right to wear them. But you have every right to choose not to. Thanks for listening to the lecture. Catholic moms are good at those!

Maryann White, The Notre Dame and St. Mary's Observer 16 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:53 PM]
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Quote# 143034

Getting back to the book I read today by Dr. Henry Makow, on page 164 he explains how Zionists are using the false accusation of “Anti-Semitism” to demonize anyone who dares to question the New World Order. ...

“Anti-Semitism used to refer to a racial prejudice against Jews. Now 'hate' is a code word for something else: Opposition to Zionism, a political program that even many Jews find repugnant. ”

SOURCE: Dr. Henry Makow, “Illuminati 2: Deceit And Seduction,” pg. 164.


This grand deception has been extremely effective to silence the churches and crush anybody who dares to tell the truth today. This matter is very important for Christians to understand, so you won't be drawn into the satanic New World Order. What is the New World Order? In short, it is the Beast system of the coming Antichrist, as foretold in the Book of Revelation. The “old” world centered around family values, patriotism, faith in God, individualism and honoring one's parents. In order to achieve a “new” world order, all these things MUST be destroyed.

I'm giving you links so you can see that what I say is true! All of the sick perversion that teenagers are seeing in music videos today, which parents are completely oblivious to these days in this wicked generation, are intentionally designed to sexualize your child. Satan knows that if he can influence your child to commit sexual immorality at a young age, he has ruined their entire life. Sex is the God of satanism! It is not mere coincidence that Hollywood, video games and music videos are saturated with blood, gore, torture and sexuality, which are all core elements of satanism!!! Listen parents, Satan wants your child! The Devil always comes to us as a beautiful liar. The Devil comes to innocent teenagers as Taylor Swift in a white dress, but she is a hellbound satanic whore! This ungodly, sicko, perverted, Christ-hating, perverse generation, laughs and scoffs at my preaching, but when you are 75 years old you won't be laughing, when you see where it all ends, when you're about to enter into eternity and face your Creator!!!

David J. Stewart, Love the Truth 9 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:50 PM]
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Quote# 143033

M’sians Outraged That NGO Forces Convenience Store to Stop Selling Alcohol

Just recently, a convenience store located in Manjoi, Perak was thrust into the spotlight after a certain non-governmental organisation (NGO) known as Jabat decided to take matters into their own hands. A Facebook post went viral depicting a group of men harassing the staff at the store to remove the alcohol sold in the shop.

They were objecting loudly to the sale of alcohol in their area as the township has a majority of Malay Muslims who were forbidden to touch alcohol. They demanded that the store’s staff empty the fridge of alcohol and stood watch as an employee started taking out the bottles and cans. In the video that was taken on May 24, some of the men at the scene can be heard saying that they were recording the whole process as they did not want to be accused of physically harming the staff or the items in the store. A few of them said, “It’s not like we want to do any damage to the store but if they refused to remove the alcohol then we will have to smash it. They don’t want to listen when we are asking them nicely to do so.

Another young man asked for confirmation, “If there is alcohol being sold in this store then we aren’t allowed to buy other things from here also, right?”. Several of them confirmed that this was true. It seems that after the store had removed the offending alcohol, the group headed to the police station to lodge a report as they want to do it legally. In another video, a spokesman and few others gathered around while holding copies of the report. They announced that they had successfully stopped the sale of alcohol in Manjoi, which consisted of 97% Malay Muslims. The spokesman also reminded other stores that they should take note and be considerate of this issue.

However, their actions were hotly debated by netizens with some of them praising the group while others were condemning them. Several fellow Muslims disagreed with them, saying that the fridge was already labelled as non-halal and they should also respect other non-Muslims in the area although they were a minority. It was also said that the people of Manjoi had tried to tell the store to stop selling alcohol before this but the convenience store would not listen to them.

Jabat, World of Buzz 2 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Bedhead

Quote# 143031

Deaths of Harapan reps a divine sign from Allah, says BN man

Former Selangor opposition leader Mohamed Satim Diman has suggested that the deaths of Pakatan Harapan elected representatives is a sign from above."Why are there so many by-elections? Because the incumbents passed away. It is curious... where are they from? Harapan," he told a ceramah in Semenyih last night."They are not from BN. Are they any BN elected representatives who have passed away?"Satim, the Puchong Umno chief, also pointed out that all the deaths occurred in Selangor.

Mohamed Satim Diman, MSN 2 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:44 PM]
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Submitted By: Bedhead

Quote# 143027

Re: Tsinghua University suspends Xu Zhangrun, Chinese law professor who criticised Xi Jinping

I'm having my morning cereal and having a good chuckle at the NSA's Team C factory trolls trying to shut down comments that don't fit their talking points (as usual).
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The principle being reported here is being able to criticize, mock or disrespect your political leaders, which they insinuate is freely done in Western countries. And how these trolls go out of their way to condemn Tsinghua U. for suspending the Prof. For the benefit of the lazy trolls here, let me highlight a sample of what happened to citizens of the West who criticized their political leaders:
1. Russia Passes Law Punishing ‘Disrespect’ and ‘Fake News’ - US News, March 2019
2. Dixie Chicks pulled from the air after bashing Bush
3. US DJ fired after saying Bush "skedaddled" after 9/11
4. Phil Donahue's highly rated show was cancelled after criticizing Iraq War
5. Female cyclist lost job after giving Trump the middle finger as he was leaving his golf club in Virginia
6. Australian radio dj fired after asking then PM Julia Gillard about her partner’s sexuality during a live interview.
7. 21-year old Canadian page fired for staging anti-Harper (the then PM) protest.
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Any of you trolls want to cry about "whataboutism" or make other excuses for having your anti-China bias and hypocrisy exposed again?

PAPPA BEAR, South China Morning Post 3 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:40 PM]
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Quote# 143020

I recently had a friendly conversation with a young teacher who is employed by the Harvest Baptist Bible College on Guam. I shared the plan of salvation with him to see what he believed concerning salvation, because most people have been misled by the Devil. Sure enough, he was corrupted. I told him that the Holy Bible simply teaches admission of one's guilt as a sinner (Romans 3:19), and believing that Christ died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and resurrected after three days (1st Corinthians 15:1-4). He sadly replied, “I think there needs to be 'A LITTLE BIT MORE' than that!” I am convinced that that young man is not truly saved, because he thinks that to be saved he has to make an earnest attempt to stop sinning in his life. That is what John MacArthur teaches.

Also, Evangelist Ray Comfort teaches the same garbage theology. See for yourself, as Ray Comfort poisons this dear woman's mind on an airplane, hindering her from being saved. One of the associate pastors of Harvest Baptist Church (who is still employed there), told me in 2015 that he considers Ray Comfort, Paul Washer and John MacArthur all faithful men of God. Barf! Can you see and hear God vomiting Harvest out of His mouth? Revelation 3:15-16, “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” I believe this Scripture is saying that God is so disgusted by apostate churches like Harvest Baptist Church, that He doesn't even want to mention their name.

God is disgusted by this half-butt type of pseudo Christianity today, that uses, sells and tolerates umpteen Bible versions; and that promotes and tolerates the satanic heresy of Lordship Salvation. The Lordship Salvation crowd aren't even lukewarm, they are unsaved infidels!!! Harvest does some good in the community, but so also does Oprah Winfrey, who greatly helps Africa's poor! Jehovah's Witnesses do good deeds and help orphans. Some of the folks at Harvest are saved, but many are not. This is what happens when the Gospel is obscured by multiple conflicting Bible versions, which propagate multiple plans of salvation.

And I am tired of lousy pastors hiding behind “ethics” as an excuse not to expose satanic error, not to cry aloud against cults by name, and not to tell the truth without apology. One pathetic, spineless, jellyfish, poor excuse for a Baptist pastor (he's fortunate I don't mention his shameful name) on Guam called Harvest their church's “sister church.” SISTER IN WHOREDOM!!! You couldn't pay me to attend a dung-heap like that! What a wicked thing to bid Godspeed (making him partaker of their evil deeds) to Bible-corrupters and Calvinists, who promote John MacArthur's damnable heresies of limited atonement, predestination to salvation, and the perseverance of the saints (aka, Lordship Salvation). GET RIGHT WITH GOD YOU DEVIL-PREACHERS!!! Guam's Baptist churches are a cesspool of doctrinal iniquity, a stinking sewage flow of apostasy today. This rotting sewage is flowing out of Pensacola Christian College, Bob Jones University and Ambassador Bible College!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 15 Comments [3/30/2019 12:51:37 PM]
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Quote# 143047

(In response to the question: "How can you believe in a god who is supernatural when there is a 90% chance that he doesn’t exist?")

Your numbers numbers are grounded in nothing. But I’ll point to numbers and ground them in some kind of reality.

I would say its 99% to near 100% that Jesus lived. Bart Ehrman would probably come close to agreeing with me on that one. Ehrman says the alternative theories are conspiracy theory rather than a fair and balanced approach to academic and informed history. (not to mention the extra-Biblical proof of Jesus’ existence)

I would say its 99% to near !00% that a spiritual being or Designer/Creator God created the world. Even atheists admit that the Big Bang, the creation of organic, Evolution, and the human mind all are miraculous or near miraculous events.

(You might remember the quote about someone “monkeying” with reality to get it right, but there are a number of similar quotes from agnostic and atheistic scientists, not to mention dozens of Christian and otherwise religious scientists)

The overlap of those two truths is the nexus of reality.

I could go on…..

If there are no spiritual beings and no divinity and we aren’t spiritual beings there is zero naturalistic basis for freedom, rationality, truth, human dignity, meaning, purpose, or ethics. Also, mind, conscience, and consciousness tend to loose their grounding, not to mention identity and personality lose their grounding as well.

Everything in a world of “we’re just colliding chemistry and physics” means jack squat. Its a philosophy of absolute nothingness that ends in nihilism and dehumanization. Its a philosophical dead end. You cant’ get something akin to the US Constitution from such a philosophy. Only by looking at the ideas of natural law and the Imagio Dei (made in the Image of God).

That means naturalism is a dead end for a philosophical, value, and ethical basis of our political and personal values. It can’t find the underlying value of humans. When you say “ we’re all just atoms” without acknowledging the larger realities of human personality and identity which naturalism fundamentally denies, silences, or erases you stack the deck in favor of a dehumanized and utterly stripped down view of man and women (bare bones).

No wonder survival and sex—rather than a robust understanding of human desire and emotion is the end result.

Or lets look at how the values of Jesus Christ could pretty much end every conflict on the planet and the very roots of those conflicts in less than 2 seconds. (envy, pride, ego, are all idols that Christ as a person calls into question, and are the root cause of conflict and the vast majority of the problems of the world). But people are too interested in ego to step back and see the healing transformation that would instantly occur if we actually gave those values a try.

For more on why naturalism is a poor basis for rights and ethics, I suggest reading this post which details some of the history of this philosophy in ethics: Nathan Ketsdever's answer to What are some philosophers who have argued in favor of morality being tied to religion, and some who have argued against that?

This is the next logical read after that, as it demonstrates the contrast between the two viewpoints: If the Bible was used to control people by the government, what would it be doing to the people?

Nathan Ketsdever, lifelong theological questioner, writer, & arm chair philosopher, Quora 8 Comments [3/30/2019 4:57:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143044

[From "I Wish Donald Trump was Going to Take Away Everyone’s Health Insurance"]

Just as I wished all of those stories about Donald Trump secretly being a Nazi were true, I wish that he was going to actually take away everyone’s health insurance.

Firstly, old people are already taken care of.

So only three kinds of people need health insurance:
• Fat people
• Women
• Cancer children

Government health insurance is simply yet another plot to redistribute wealth to the weakest, most pathetic and most useless people on earth.

Socialism is a system for the weak. Show me a person who isn’t pathetic who supports socialism.

I want a system where only the strong survive.

Where Apache UFC fighters are given medals for beating the shit out of their whore porn star girlfriends, instead of being wrongly imprisoned.

If you’re so pathetic you need a doctor to solve your health problems, then nature should be left to deal with you using her own devices.

Instead of giving fat people free health care, I want to force them to fight one another to the death for my amusement. I want to cleanse the earth of fat people and children with cancer.

Who would win in a death match: a 300 pound man, or ten repulsive bald children with leukemia?

I want to know.

You might even say I would make a wish to see that fight.

But I never will know.

Because Donald Trump won’t take any fat piece of shit’s health insurance. He’s not going to force any bald cancer children to fight to the death for your amusement. This man is sending billions to spread man-on-man anal sodomy in Africa.

I would prefer Pastor Ssempa was president.

You think Blormf is going to let some fat slob keel over and get himself out of our misery?

Not likely.

He’s probably going to up the funding to the sickening cancer children just like he is trying to save retards from being exterminated.

Unbelievable.

Andrew Anglin, Daily Stormer 24 Comments [3/30/2019 4:53:00 AM]
Fundie Index: 14
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 143043

There are now 200,000 U.S. women enrolled in the military. They're real SHE-MEN! I think it is a heathen practice, not Biblical in the least sense. Men should be rough, tough and decisive; but women should be feminine, soft, quiet and meek. The homosexual movement is rooted in unisex, blurring the lines between the genders. I am not just old-fashioned, I am right, agreeing with God.

I think it is a shame when any young woman decides to be as a rugged man instead of a feminine lady. I absolutely hate manly women (but I don't hate people), who think like men, talk like men, and have attitudes like men. I have little tolerance with feminist women, and I can't stand them! Many Christian women would never consider them self a feminist, but they certainly are a feminist when they sass their fathers, sass their husbands, act like decisive men in the presence of men, become women pastors, and endorse the homosexual agenda. The Holy Bible commands women to have “a meek and quiet spirit” (1st Peter 3:4). Feminists can't keep their mouths shut!

The weird and ungodly state of California, just passed a new law in 2019 forcing companies to appoint women to their board of directors. That is communism! The government has no right to force political agendas upon businesses. Satan is behind all this. In 1962 homosexuality was a punishable crime in all 50 states. Now, as of June 2015, homosexuality is legal in all 50 states, under ungodly imposed federal law. It is clear to see that along with the feminist movement in America, so also has abortion, homosexuality and all manner of sin and rebellion increased. And certainly, the Playboy philosophy adopted by American men since 1953 when Hugh Hefner first published his ungodly Playboy magazine filth has utterly destroyed our families. To no surprise, Martin Luther King Jr. and Jesse Jackson were both featured preachers in Hugh Hefner's Playboy magazine. Hefner was so ungodly that he even mocked God by offering "free" subscriptions to all preachers. Mr. Hefner is now sadly burning in Hell forever. God is not willing for nay to perish (2nd Peter 3:9).

So, women going into the military goes hand-in-hand with the feminism, worldliness, abortion and the homosexual movement, it all ties together in just one word... REBELLION! When America's ungodly courts removed and banned God's Word from America's classrooms in 1963 (and since), it was the nails in our nation's coffin. We are paying the price today, suffering the consequences of raising multiple generations without the fear of God. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Without the Holy Bible in children's daily lives, things can only go from bad to really bad, and we're headed there in America. I am horrified every time I read the national news. Pastor Jack Hyles used to say that anyone is capable of committing any sin under the right circumstances. That is very true. Proverbs 4:23, “Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.”

Americans are a very foolish and sinful people today. We allow our children to be indoctrinated with the socialist lies of evolution. We allow our children to be indoctrinated with the Satanic lie that homosexuality is normal and okay, but it is abnormal and an abominable sin in the sight of God almighty! We have deceitfully convinced ourselves that a human being in the womb is not a life, so we have a right to murder that child. Hell will be filled with abortionists! I'm praying for God to let Russia nuke the United States, to force us to come to our good senses, which we lost a long, long time ago. I hope some young lady reading this article will decide not to go into the military. But if you do, consider yourself warned, I told you so!

David J. Stewart, God Loves People 16 Comments [3/30/2019 4:52:06 AM]
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Quote# 143039

Remember "The West Wing"? Aaron Sorkin put a lot of effort into depicting Republicans -- okay, probably just Alan Alda -- as serious-minded, ethical mammals who just had a difference of opinion with the Democratic protagonists. It turns out "The West Wing" was as realistic as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." That's because too many Republicans are like Mike Lee. The Utah Senator more closely resembles a character from a bad USA comedy series.

Republicans are holding a procedural vote today on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal. Lee took to the Senate floor to tell us how terrible it is. He could have done this with facts and data. Instead, he went with Ronald Reagan and a velociraptor.

LEE: This is, of course, a picture of former President Ronald Reagan, naturally firing a machine gun while riding on the back of a dinosaur. You'll notice a couple of important features here.


Oh, sweet Christ! What the hell is he talking about? He even had some poor staffer cart out out the Reagan dinosaur picture. How is this even relevant? Is he trying to sell us the painting? Is this a damn infomercial? Lee goes on to describe the "stirring, unmistakable patriotism" of the velociraptor "holding up a tattered, American flag."

Presumably, Lee believes the Green New Deal is so absurd and ridiculous, it is not worthy of serious debate. This is beneath the dignity of a senator, which is saying something. Lee would probably not appreciate having his own beliefs held up for public ridicule.

Republicans have resorted to some childish and petty displays recently. There was the "liar, liar, pants on fire" visual aid during the Michael Cohen hearings. New Hampshire Republicans wore pearls a few weeks ago to mock women advocating for sensible gun laws. However, Lee seemed positively unhinged. Just straight-up bonkers. All because Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats think we should consider doing something serious about the growing threat from climate change.

LEE: The solution to climate change is not this unserious resolution ...the solution to so many of our problems at all times and in all places is to fall in love, get married, and have some kids.


Yeah, that's what he said -- using his words and mouth organ. We don't know why he chose to address climate change that way Prince flippantly addressed the "Sign o' the Times": "Let's fall in love, get married, have a baby. We'll call him Nate. If he's a boy."

Lee believes more babies are the "solution" to climate change. Are they supposed to keep the oceans from rising? They can't even sit up or change themselves. The fool acts like he's appearing in some Kirk Cameron fundamentalist flick: "The courage needed to solve climate change is nothing compared with the courage needed to start a family." Seriously, that means nothing. Everything he just said was bullshit.

Does Lee really think we're so dumb that all this treacle about babies and families will distract us from doing anything to make sure there's an actual future for our own children and families? Suggesting we just fuck while the world burns is again literally a Prince song but as much as we love the brother, it's not viable environmental policy.

It should surprise no one that Ocasio-Cortez instantly owned Lee in seconds flat.

Like many other women + working people, I occasionally
suffer from impostor syndrome: those small moments, especially
on hard days, where you wonder if the haters are right.

But then they do things like this to clear it right up.

If this guy can be Senator, you can do anything.


This is a political master stroke: In a single tweet, Ocasio-Cortez demonstrates a humility that any American can recognize and appreciate. She also shows a wisdom and maturity that casts a brutal spotlight on Lee's arrogance and dismissiveness. We don't claim there are no reasonable arguments against the Green New Deal, but Republicans should at least have the decency to try to come up with one. The more they lie about the program and try to shame it like a bullied school kid, the more pathetic they all look.

Senator Mike Lee (R), Wonkette (Progressive blog) 18 Comments [3/29/2019 3:43:33 AM]
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Submitted By: SpukiKitty

Quote# 143032

Brunei bans Christmas: Sultan warns those celebrating could face up to five years in jail

Anyone found illegally celebrating Christmas in Brunei could face up to five years in prison, according to a reported declaration by the Sultan of the tiny oil-rich state.

Brunei introduced its ban on Christmas last year over fears that celebrating it "excessively and openly" could lead its Muslim population astray.

Christians and others can celebrate Christmas, but must do so in private and have to first alert the authorities.


Local Islamic religious leaders have promoted the ban, warning that adopting the trappings of Christmas is tantamount to imitation of another faith, prohibited in some interpretations of Islam.

Officials from the Ministry of Religious Affairs have also reportedly visited local businesses to ensure they are not displaying Christmas decorations, including Santa hats and banners with Christmas greetings.

Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, who has ruled the former British colony for nearly 50 years, introduced the ban on Christmas in 2014, the same year Brunei adopted a stricter penal code, based on Islamic sharia and including punishments such as stoning and amputation.

The Christmas ban is justified under the new laws - the punishment for celebrating Christmas is a fine of $20,000 or up to five years in prison, or both.

The ban has encountered some resistance - the social media campaign #MyTreedom, which encourages Christians and other in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran to post images of themselves celebrating Christmas, includes several contributions from Brunei residents.

At least 65 per cent of Brunei's 420,000-strong population are Muslims.


Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, Independent 26 Comments [3/28/2019 7:37:44 AM]
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Quote# 143029

I Love How He Humiliates Me

I don’t know anyone who builds shaming and liberating arguments the way the apostle Paul does. He builds with stones of insight — one on another, until the edifice stands before you with humiliating and liberating obviousness.

We are treated as rational people, not animals driven by instinct: “I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say” (1 Corinthians 10:15). If we should be ashamed, he will show us with arguments, not slurs. And he will show us the way out.

Twice in 1 Corinthians, Paul uses the noun for shame (Greek entrope). In both cases, the issue is similar. Believers are walking in the counsel of the godless. They are acting like the world has more wisdom than they do in matters of relationships and resurrection.

John Piper, Desiring God 13 Comments [3/28/2019 7:31:39 AM]
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Quote# 143026

Ever since the fall, hell’s mouth has gaped open. Many will be swallowed up today. More will the next day. And the next. This reality caused even the apostle Paul profound sorrow and unceasing anguish (Romans 9:2). Does it for the rest of us?

This world is a doorway into eternity — a fact that few today consider and fear. Sinners frolic before the Almighty God, daring to provoke him to his face. Although God hates all evildoers (Psalm 5:5), burns with indignation towards the unrepentant every day (Psalm 7:11), and is even now whetting his sword and bending his bow in judgment (Psalms 7:11–13), the unrepentant go about life unmindful of their predicament. They slumber atop an active volcano.

They mistake the God of delayed wrath for the God of no wrath at all. They hear about the nuclear bomb of eternity, but are self-assured that it will never detonate. They approach the God of the Bible like some do those British royal guards: mocking, poking, and testing him to see if he will move — never realizing that the rifle has lowered until it is too late.

And they love the god they’ve created. Their god is never angry with them. Their god, if he even hates their sin, only loves the sinner. Their god is only merciful, only forgiving, only compassionate. Their god does not take sin personally, nor would he require the shedding of blood to forgive it. Their god serves the creature and simply pours forth unconditional love when and how the creature calls for it.

But this god is a pipe dream. This god is a demon. This god is absent from the Old and New Testaments. Even now, the true God holds the unrepentant by the nape of the neck to do them unspeakable injury if they will not bow to his great love and mercy, and take up his terms of peace and eternal joy offered them in the blood of his own Son.

Greg Morse, Desiring God 16 Comments [3/28/2019 7:25:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143018

LGBT+ people to be stoned or whipped to death in Brunei under new sex law

Amnesty International condemn ‘heinous’ rules introduced as part of Sharia reforms in tiny kingdom

Brunei is set to permit the stoning and whipping to death of LGBT+ people under a series of reforms to its penal code that are attracting international condemnation.

New laws due to come into effect next Wednesday will see the tiny kingdom become the first nation in southeast Asia to impose the death penalty for those found engaging in same-sex intercourse.

Homosexuality was already illegal and carried a long jail sentence in Brunei. However, the country is in the process of introducing a Sharia Law-style system for criminal punishment.

Human rights groups have denounced the move, including Amnesty International, which described the new punishments as “heinous” and “inhumane”.

It said same-sex relations would become a capital offence that could be carried out by whipping or stoning.

Amnesty warned other new laws would permit amputation as a punishment for robbery or theft – a sentence that would also be carried out on children.

“Some of the potential ‘offences’ should not even be deemed crimes at all, including consensual sex between adults of the same gender,” said Rachel Chhoa-Howard, a Brunei researcher for the organisation.

“Brunei must immediately halt its plans to implement these vicious punishments, and revise its penal code in compliance with its human rights obligations.

“The international community must urgently condemn Brunei’s move to put these cruel penalties into practice.”

Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, who rules Brunei by absolute monarchy, first introduced measures under the Sharia Penal Code in 2014, imposing fines or jail terms for offences such as pregnancy out of wedlock or failing to pray on Fridays.

However, laws targeting LGBT+ people were shelved following international protests, including a boycott of the Sultan’s exclusive Beverly Hills Hotel in California.

But it appears the monarch will now implement the legislation, which he has in the past said should be regarded as “special guidance” from god.

Around two thirds of the oil-rich nation’s 417,000 inhabitants are Muslim, while it is also home to significant Christian and Buddhist communities.

There has been no vocal opposition to the new rules in Brunei, where public criticism of the Sultan and his policies are extremely rare.

The country has long been known for conservative policies such as banning the sale of alcohol and it already issues caning as a punishment under secular laws for several crimes including immigration offences.

Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, The Independent 22 Comments [3/28/2019 7:16:32 AM]
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Quote# 143016

It just donned on me how pathetic it is to be a 23 year old virgin

I'm not quite at the oldcel stage yet but I'm past the point of no return, I'm older than Elliot Rodger was when he died. Almost everyone has had sex at one point or another, not being able to get laid when you're past highschool and into your twenties means you are a huge failure. Even if I were to wake up one day and become white, then looksmax to Chadlite level, people would laugh at me if they found out I was a virgin. It's shameful to be a virgin at 17-18, it's even worse when your past that age.

I pray that Blackops2cel gives me strength so that I don't rope tonight.

tehgymcel420, incels.is 21 Comments [3/27/2019 5:10:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143015

With most of the pain that comes from undocumented and unpreached reality, we should have blackpill be mainstream as an apology/ amends.

Only by getting our plights out there can we have the apology for discrimination based on lookism.
If we don't get that then we will have suffered for nothing. Minorities and their phony problems in the modern world today compare nothing to the ongoing oppression and ego-flaying of lookism.
Human narcissism is more of a hotspot than racial oppression. The victim compass/ paradigm needs to exit the 19th century and start looking at contemporary issues.
In the 21st century geno-oppression is more widespread than mere racism. Racism is a factor. But there are greater things out there that cause us all grief.
The natural order is fucked and we need to set stipulations to get it working again.
Working in the favor of humanitarianism.
Liberals are weird. they often think the world is peaceful and secure, but only flip that script when people they care about are being oppressed whilst they calim to be out there for hte sake of all the oppressed.

Eugenicist, incels.is 10 Comments [3/27/2019 5:10:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143013

Tyler Houck: Ah yes...scripture The infallible "word of God". The sacred books man can't keep his hands off of; retranslated, rewritten, reinterpreted by generations with agendas and schemes or the blasphemously ignorant to preach to masses.
The "good book" that will damn you to an eternity of servitude.

John Baugh: Your anger seems only exceeded by your ignorance of Scripture and its preservation. There is a science called textual criticism, which is used to verify the original writings given many different copies with tiny variations because of transmission errors, like scribes misreading words or marginal notes making their way into the actual text accidentally (or on purpose.).
For example, there are ancient Greek poems that have 200 or 300 textual variants, which actually helps scholars produce the original with better accuracy. And almost no scholar rejects a piece of literature from antiquity as being flawed if it has 200 or 300 textual variants. The more textual variants, the better. The Bible has over 5,600 textual variants. Over 98% of them are simple scribal errors. none of the textual variants have any bearing on modifying the doctrines of the church.
The Bible has been preserved miraculously, and no scholar worth his or her salt rejects that notion or believes in some sort of giant conspiracy.
Furthermore, Christ has made me free, so I am not at all under any bondage whatsoever. Thus, your point is moot.

John Buagh, Youtube 10 Comments [3/27/2019 5:10:05 AM]
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Quote# 143012

The passage in Isaiah is about the new heaven and new earth. The sin-tainted world will be no more.
And no, I have no compulsion or requirement to humbly try to lead someone to Christ who has no interest in it, and is actively hostile to the truth. God wins no matter what you or anyone says, so it's ultimately not going to matter to me one way or another. There are passages that suggest people in the lake of fire will actively still shake their fists at God... All while being continually tortured with no end.
This "little lamb" would agree with your position, but then we'd both be wrong.

John Baughn, Youtube 2 Comments [3/27/2019 5:10:03 AM]
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